Mini #1004 - Popularity Mafia (Over)

[Twomz]

@ Andrius: I don't replace very often, but when I do I don't normally care that much if people are suspicious of the people before me in the slot. The only thing I can assure you of right now is that rayfrost and friend were just bad townies, not scum, cause sadly, I can't answer for their actions >.<

[Tazaro]

UNVOTE

VOTE: vezokpiraka

Willing to lynch this V person.

[NicolBolas]

Tazaro is a master of one-liners. His vote on vezok is L-1 i think. Vezok- claim now.

@Tazaro, why are you hopping around with your votes like crazy? in your ISO, 3 out of the last four posts are all votes. you can answer this in one line, but make it a good line.

[Tazaro]

I vote for who other people agree with as suspects; I want to finally lynch one of the suspects; people just need to reach a consensus.

[NicolBolas]

@taz- So you suspect all the people you voted for: vollkan, Andrius, and Vezokpiraka? If so, who do you think is more scummy? (Not who you think the town is more willing to lynch)

[vollkan]

Breaking out of summary mode for a sec:

Vollkan- do you think my reasoning seems bad, still?

Yeah. To be clear, I don't mean "scummy"-bad (hence the 50), just newbish/simplistic.

I vote for who other people agree with as suspects; I want to finally lynch one of the suspects; people just need to reach a consensus.

The trouble with this is, and I didn't notice it until I read you in ISO, your scumdar seems to be on rapid-fire. You've constantly been changing main suspects throughout the game, and there seems to be little sense of rhyme or reason to what you are doing. "Consensus" is only good if it gets scum lynched, whereas your approach seems to just be focussed on getting *somebody* lynched (or, more charitably, shows too little care for the reasons WHY somebody is a good lynch)

[Parama]

I vote for who other people agree with as suspects; I want to finally lynch one of the suspects; people just need to reach a consensus.

The trouble with this is, and I didn't notice it until I read you in ISO, your scumdar seems to be on rapid-fire. You've constantly been changing main suspects throughout the game, and there seems to be little sense of rhyme or reason to what you are doing. "Consensus" is only good if it gets scum lynched, whereas your approach seems to just be focussed on getting *somebody* lynched (or, more charitably, shows too little care for the reasons WHY somebody is a good lynch)

The way you put this makes it sound like a massive scumtell. Yet by your rating Tazaro is just above complete neutrality?

[vezokpiraka]

VT. I am the band member.

[NicolBolas]

@vollkan- what does your summary thingy say about RC/Vezok?

[Max]

Okay, so I've been busy over the past week and not been getting on frequently. I've just done a quick re-read. I'm not going to lie I've lost quite a bit of interest. I have been quiet this game day.

Parama

Tasky

I think either Parama/ the slot above him is scum.


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<Popularity List>

Reposting.

Based off this...

In that list that Andy quoted he was above parama.

So taking the idea that that's a joke/insinuating that as he's said "I'm town" so many times that means he has two scum reads. (Twomz/Ray/Friend) or (Parama/Tasky)

Andrius you are so scum that you can't even get reads right.
unvote
Vote Andrius
You have only one scum in your reads. The others are either town or neutral.

Which means when Vezok said that, he hadn't noticed the bizarre use of language. So is either skimming the thread or not questioning players enough.

I think Vollkan makes a good post about Tazaro.

The way you put this makes it sound like a massive scumtell. Yet by your rating Tazaro is just above complete neutrality?

I know I'm not him but vollkan said the following:

60: Noting here that he has many extremely short posts, making him very active but also very hard to get a read on. There is no sense of his thought process.
Taz gets a 52 overall, but I think that number may be soft, in that his posting style is one that I have personal difficulties with. It would I think be more accurate if he had a mid-50s ranking, at least an indication of how I feel about him.

To me that means that he feels Tazaro should have a higher score but because of his posting style it's hard to give out points.

[Xite91]

Tasky was hovering around l-1/-2 if i'm correct. I'm thinking that scum would have found a way to hammer him, but it didn't happen.

Huh? Please explain this thought process to the fullest. I'm not getting it at all.

Ok. Xite seemed scummy to me in the beginning, but I'm leaning townish on xite now. Just one question- why are you still going after Tasky? Is there anybody else that seems espically scummy to you now?

Because I believe he's scum, I gave my full reasoning on him and parama, go ahead and give it a look.
Why are you buddying up to him so bad?

[NicolBolas]

It was what i thought might be likely.

I dont get what you mean by me buddying up to Tasky/parama, though.

I could be wrong, but ATM, i think Vezok/RC is a better lynch than Parama.

[Tazaro]

I could be wrong, but ATM, i think Vezok/RC is a better lynch than Parama.

I agree with NicolBolas.

[Xite91]

@Nicol - because of the way you're defending him without any "real" reasons, and how you tried to get me to let go of my suspicion of him(/them?)
@Taz - kinda wanna punch you. Just sayin

[NicolBolas]

Xite: Ah. I'm not telling you to let go of your suspicion. I'm just saying that i dont think he is scum. Keep your suspicion. Just lynch Vezok first.

[VasudeVa]

I read Andy as Town, therefore I didn't want us wasting a mislynch on him. Especially now, he's being awfully abrasive right about now and this is a side of Andy I've never seen before. I fully expected joking-Andy whenever he's scum with a wagon. Not-joking abrasive Andy with a constant threat of a lynch D2 is null, but I still hold my earlier D1 read on him. At the very least, his current abrasiveness is not scummy at all.

I'll catch up in a day or two and review my notes. I particularly have my eye on volkan.

[vollkan]

I vote for who other people agree with as suspects; I want to finally lynch one of the suspects; people just need to reach a consensus.

The trouble with this is, and I didn't notice it until I read you in ISO, your scumdar seems to be on rapid-fire. You've constantly been changing main suspects throughout the game, and there seems to be little sense of rhyme or reason to what you are doing. "Consensus" is only good if it gets scum lynched, whereas your approach seems to just be focussed on getting *somebody* lynched (or, more charitably, shows too little care for the reasons WHY somebody is a good lynch)

The way you put this makes it sound like a massive scumtell. Yet by your rating Tazaro is just above complete neutrality?

Max is correct.

Taz is playing with a playstyle that I despise, principally because, whilst it isn't a scumtell as such (because plenty of people play that way), it makes analysing him next to impossible (because the playstyle is all but identical to the most brazenly opportunistic scum play). For practical purposes, therefore, while I can only give him a 52 (because I know that such a playstyle isn't scummy), I basically have to slap a massive margin of error onto that such that his true ranking (in the sense of my willingness to lynch him relative to somebody else) would be a higher score.

Andrius:

15: His reasons for not joining a wagon that would put me at L-2 is interesting. He begins in the highly qualified fashion of "At this point I won't vote him...", as opposed to doing the sensible thing and just dismissing a L-2 random wagon as dumb. But then in the second sentence we have "If I vote he will be at L-2, and forcing a claim on page three,

with 4 people missing is stupid.

" This time, his reason for not voting is qualified because people aren't here. It's striking the "safe" position for scum - not joining my wagon, expressing mild disapproval, but not fundamentally trying to attack it. +2
46: I'll just quote my earlier attack (and point-giving) on this: "You've given three inconsistent positions in one post. You say the wagon isn't going anywhere, implying that's a bad thing. You then say Tasky is seeming town to you (so surely that makes redundant the fact that the wagon isn't going there), but then you'd be willing to swap again at deadline (for somebody you are leaning town on??). Heavily suggests hedging of one's bets. +3"
51: His answer to my attack above is entirely unsatisfactory, basically only saying that meta-wise he is a "cautious town player", which doesn't address me at all. +1
...and a lot of pseudo-spam.

Score: 56

(the same issue as Taz doesn't arise because Andrius has had some content posts buried in a lot of crap posts, as opposed to being unreadable as a whole)

[vollkan]

Vezok/RC

:
Prior to reading, probably my #1 suspect

RC

6: Andrius vote is bad, and comes off the back of somebody posting a case against Andrius. Preempetively opportunistic. +1
9: Parama vote is also bad, but no evident opportunism.
18: Sando vote is bad, and opportunism, and he demands a claim at L-2. +2
- noting at this stage that RC is like a brain-damaged and more opportunistic version of Tazaro
25: And now jumps to Max (no opportunism, since there is no wagon)
26: Flips to Andrius (after RF affirmed his support for Andy being lynched). +1
- a

really

brain-damaged version of Tazaro

Vezok

- only up to post 3, and RC looks positively sane in comparison.
7: Calling Tasky the godfather is the most ridiculous thing so far
- at this point, seeing as content-wise his posts are just useless, I'm going to focus on vote opportunism (as I kind of did above anyway)
9: parama vote soon after Taz did likewise. +1
13: swap to Andrius soon after he hit three votes, seemingly backtracking entirely from his earlier very (I would say ridiculously) strong suspicion of Parama. +3
15: As far as scumtells go, this is the most serious yet. I've addressed this in my own posts already, but to repeat (because I think this is important), Vezok said: "I stil support a Parama wagon or Ray Frost wagon. Or even Andrius." This is just after he swapped his vote to Andrius. It's contradictory and scummy in and of itself, but also evidence of a scumteam for the future. +4
17: now andrius is the scum again, language is again bombast. +1
21: Now jumps onto me soon after Taz votes me. His only reason is "I agree with this" +2
23: people leave my wagon, and now he jumps away to Andrius. This guy really is textbook newbscum +3

Score: 67

Number one suspect status is confirmed

[Xite91]

Score: 67

Number one suspect status is confirmed

That's great Vollkan! So why don't you place a vote?

You should do one of those for yourself

[vollkan]

Score: 67

Number one suspect status is confirmed

That's great Vollkan! So why don't you place a vote?

You should do one of those for yourself

NicolBolas just said that Vezok is at L-1. I don't think it's quite hammer time.

[NicolBolas]

I'm just asking- why not?

[vollkan]

Mainly because he hasn't responded to my case. It's the first time anybody's comprehensively laid out for him why he is scum, so it makes sense to give him a chance to address it.

[NicolBolas]

Hm. thats true. al right. Lets see what vezok has to say.

[Xite91]

Score: 67

Number one suspect status is confirmed

That's great Vollkan! So why don't you place a vote?

You should do one of those for yourself

NicolBolas just said that Vezok is at L-1. I don't think it's quite hammer time.

Oh... I must have either missed or forgotten that.
Well I guess we'll see.

[Tazaro]

YOU'RE AT L-1, VEZOK!