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I am inclined to believe him, and I am fairly certain we can find a better target for a lynch.Iecerint wrote:The parsimonious explanation is that scum saw that he would be quiclynched with Zerg Rush. They miscalculated because he happened to have a difference lynch threshold.
This theory is no good if RC posted elsewhere on the site AFTER the extra lynch vote claim and before RC's Zerg Rush post.
The alternate theory is that Roboscum has mischievously arranged these circumstances to make it appear that he has cleared himself. This is comparatively remote IMO.
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1) Why do you play Mafia? I like the rush of being near a lynch, but hate it at the same time.
2) How many licks DOES it take to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop? I can't do it
3) Can you describe your thought processes leading into this game?
I'm trying to become a better player.
4) Let's say that you win the game. What conditions lead to that win? What qualities will the game have? Will it be ordered or chaotic, logical or gut-based, fast or drawn out? Most of my wins are achieved through ordered, logical play. I like breaking things down into their most simplest explanations and then working from there. I also tend to probe at one or two specific players until I get a good read on them, then shift my focus to someone who had previously been coasting by.
Hopefully it will be my finding scum that lead to the win
5) What is the square root of potato? not funny
6) Can you please link me to the one game that you're most proud of on this site? it was a marathon game
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I find the above post scummy, especially considering that Netopalis was the one who was going after Robo during the RVS. Where do you get your information, from, Netopalis? Mafia IRC? You seem to have a lot of information at your disposal, moreso than I do.Netopalis wrote:Alright...let's assume that Robocopter is telling the truth. If the votes to lynch is reduced by one on him, then it does explain why he survived the Zerg Rush. What if this actually is an activated ability and an anti-town player activated it when they saw that a town player was within the range to be killed by it? That seems likely. We're actually rather lucky that it failed, and I do think it actually clears Robocopter.Unvote.
I haven't ever encountered an ability like what we saw earlier in this game, and I am really confused by it. I understand the lowering of a threshold for a lynch from L-3 to L-2 or whatever, but who would think to put that into their game?
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Netopalis for his knowing so much
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i'm not scum. i'll let you stick to your IRC with Netopalis and STTBmillar13 wrote:Basically; i am fully confident in my spot. The use of "Grammar" being the reason I am scummy is weak. That is almost like 'Furcolow' shouting; im a member of the scum-team and ive actually lost reasons other than to make on that exists; but isn't legitimate. If you could make money from predictions; i would put money that he is defo scum.
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Where at in rural Kentucky?Iecerint wrote:My top single suspect up to this point is Millar. I think his vote for Robotown was the most bizarre, and I think his play in the aftermath makes little sense.
My second-tier is Neto-S2B as a scumpair. First, Neto weakly attacks S2B out of nowhere. Then, S2B calls him out for "distancing" with me. In light of other things that have happened, these seems like an unusual place for one's focus. It's also an odd choice of words. For example, Neto and I hadn't attacked one another at all, so saying that we're distancing from one another is totally bogus. It reads like "Let's distance!" "LOL OK!" to me.
I'll be in rural Kentucky this weekend visiting family. I may not have regular access to the computer.V/LA until Monday.
I live in rural Kentucky.
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well, this puts a damper in my opinion of who is the scum team. I honestly felt like you two were scumbuddies.Netopalis wrote:Anyway, yeah. Shotty to the Body needs to die. Case previously posted.
I agree with you here. I feel like he might not be town, and my heart is all I have to go on here. He just seemsNetopalis wrote:I actually really like that case on Millar. Very good points there, Muffin. The deadline discussion he posted does bolster the argument too. I'd support looking into Millar...
Un-FOS, FOS: Millartoo defensive. That + the fact that he was the last vote onto robo before that crazy shit happened that i don't understand whatsoever means that either a) he is scum or b) he was framed.
I'm leaning towards A.
aligning yourself with millar here is suspicious to me, especially with him voting you right before all that happened, and you all knowing that your "lynch threshold" I believe it was was higher than it appeared with that. This comment is making me feel like you all set us up as a town.Robocopter87 wrote:Most of it was him dissing Millar. He was more into personal attacks than focusing on what Millar was saying his posts. Muffin purposely tried to paint Millar as total scum.
I know I'm chainsaw defending him but lying is antitown.
I don't.Muffin wrote:So I take it that you think millar has done substantial scumhunting and produced a lot of protown content.
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Prolonging RVS is anti-town. OMGUS is scummy.Netopalis wrote:Folks....Furcolow is making no sense. I get that. But, I'm not sure that we can say that he's scum for that. We need to figure out if he's a VI or if he's scum. To me, I can't think of a possible scum motivation for his actions as of yet, but I need to review his other games to see if he's always this nonsensical.
Let's take a look at your reasoning.Kdub wrote:
You're saying posts 119 and 232 aren't you defending millar?Ythan wrote:Defending millar? Let's hope you got me mixed up with someone else.
I attacked your weak case twice. Instead of trying to shore it up you're using that to try to paint me as defending millar. Yeah I think you're full of it and reaching.Kdub wrote:I'm feeling worse and worse about Ythan's play. He's been defending millar too much for my liking.AREtown. Are you DENYING that? If so, I completely disagree. I know a guy I play with on another website that ALWAYS does that when he is town, and I'm the same way.
You want us to move on from the most important thing that has happened in this game so far? Is it because you are afraid someone is going to make a connection to you? I am of a mind to say that it is, and that this points to you, and that is why you "want us to move on".Muffin wrote:
Do you think speculating about the nature of the zerg rush (kekeke) is pro town? In my opinion it's wasted effort. it puzzles me too, but I'm not paralyzed by confusion like it seems other players are. I see an interesting game mechanic, take note of it, and move on. Speculating back and forth as to the nature of the zerg rush (kekekeke) is fine from an academic standpoint but it's not going to get us anywhere as a town.Robocopter87 wrote:I disagree. This game hasn't been about scumhunting rather speculation due to the Zerg Rush, he has provided content. He has scumhunted as much as anyone else.-
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well, if it is a play-style you take when you are town, then it is a building block for people to realize you are town, and therefore can be pro-town.Robocopter87 wrote:
He never said OMGUS don't come from town but rather that OMGUS is a anti town behavior.Furcolow wrote: Some OMGUSAREtown. Are you DENYING that? If so, I completely disagree. I know a guy I play with on another website that ALWAYS does that when he is town, and I'm the same way.-
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i didn't say that. don't put words in my mouth. i was fishing for information. if anything, it tells us who scum aren't (robocopter, myself, even millar to an extent), as it was done to raise suspicions, but at the least it has lead to some town solidification, thus, it hasn't really been negative on us.Muffin wrote:
Please explain to me how speculating back and forth on the nature of the Zerg Rush (kekekeke) will help us find scum.Furcolow wrote:
You want us to move on from the most important thing that has happened in this game so far? Is it because you are afraid someone is going to make a connection to you? I am of a mind to say that it is, and that this points to you, and that is why you "want us to move on".Muffin wrote:
Do you think speculating about the nature of the zerg rush (kekeke) is pro town? In my opinion it's wasted effort. it puzzles me too, but I'm not paralyzed by confusion like it seems other players are. I see an interesting game mechanic, take note of it, and move on. Speculating back and forth as to the nature of the zerg rush (kekekeke) is fine from an academic standpoint but it's not going to get us anywhere as a town.Robocopter87 wrote:I disagree. This game hasn't been about scumhunting rather speculation due to the Zerg Rush, he has provided content. He has scumhunted as much as anyone else.
I am fairly sure that millar isn't scum based upon him calling down. I am going to put my vote onspyrexuntil I hear more from him and can get an opinion on the nature of his player-slot.-
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not at all. it depends on the player.Robocopter87 wrote:No. No no no.
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buddy, get out of here with that shit. i am just fucking telling you who i am, and that i can "interrogate" people. i can't see alignments, i can see people's abilities. i'm not 100% a cop, but i am confirmable town. if i get myself killed tonight by scum, what the fuck ever, i'd rather us have a chance to lynch fucking scum instead of you fucks mislynching me.-
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"1. How does confirmation that you have a non-alignment based Cop scan indicate you are not scum?
2. How does you plan to be watched / tracked, even if it is properly executed, prove you aren’t scum?
3. Why when discussing who was around for the Zerg attack do you specifically exclude bv310 and Iec from your list? Both posted within 20 minutes of Reaper’s Zerg posting."
1: I'm telling you my alignment and role, I don't know what else to do other than that. Believe me, or not, I am good.
2. I saw this in another game... mafia in mendo I think... and it really helped the town. I'm just throwing out ideas to help with this.
3. I didn't notice bv310/iecerint being online during that time, as i looked more before it happened on the same page and perhaps on the one before a little. i just noticed those 3 people. hell, just because they posted, doesn't mean it was any of those 3.-
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does it have to be a mutual chainsaw defense to guess alignments based upon one flipping, or is that still not that good? I know it wouldn't be exact, but say robocopter is scum, and is defending millar like this. Millar is likely mafia then, right?MagnaofIllusion wrote:
You see his play and don't think in anyway it resembles scummy play?Robocopter87 wrote:
I thought I made it quite clear that I didn't think he was scum with my chainsaw defense.MoI wrote:@Robo – Please share your thoughts on millar.
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Are you saying that in no way does this confirm that myself and the watcher are working towards helping the town? I am not good at theories, but I have seen this happen and the watcher ended up seeing mafia make a hit or something similar. I'm pretty sure BV was in that game, and I know I died in the night like I probably will this game, so perhaps he could rectify what happened. I do see that the alignment vs roles makes it a little bit more difficult in terms of confirmation, but we could use roles to out someone. If I check Ythan, and he has a zerg rush ability..... yea. Just sayin'.an you explained how it will help the Town? I see the following scenario.
1. You scan Ythan with your non-alignment proven power.
2. If we have a Watcher or Tracker they confirm you did so.
3. You tell us what power Ythan has.
4. If Ythan dies we have to decide if you are the one that killed him.
5. If Ythan doesn’t die we see whether he states you are lying about your ‘scan’
6. ?????
7. Profit.
Seriously how does this help town? It will not tell us if you are Scum or Town since an Ability cop could easily be a power from either side. It potentially outs a Watcher or Tracker for no real benefit. It will not confirm anything but perhaps what Ythan’s power is. And knowing that will not for tell us anything concrete about his alignment.
I did not fakeclaim, I have not ever fakeclaimed. I've explained not having you or BV on the list. I did not notice your names being active near the ability being used. I did not consider their being a delay, as RC is an active mod. Hope this clears that up24. Hey, random thought secondary to Robo's Furco push. I was reflecting on the plausibility of Tanya being a fakeclaim. But. Sarah Kerrigan is a witch from an RTS. Tanya appears to be a sort of Chaotic Neutral-tier witch from an RTS. So...that aspect does fit.
26. I don't understand Furco's explanation for removing bv and me from the "maybe Sarah Kerrigan" list. Also, please clarify the point of the list to me if I misunderstand it. Also, keep in mind that there was probably a lag between "sent in action" and "RC posted action."
Iecerint, didn't you just travel to Kentucky? Where did you go if so?
Robocopter87 wrote:Alright, I going to go with Furcolow.
I want him dead.
My votes on him. So We just lynch him? Well, I'll gladly see his body hanging on a rope in this game.
I agree with this line of thinking. I do this all the time. You can use this sort of gut feeling to point yourself in the right direction. Unfortunately, if you are a town player, and fingering another town player, and using this kind of 'logic', scum can agree with you, providing no reason like you, and the town has no way to provide defense to the argument. I know this from experience, as I have pushed wagons based upon my gut as town that have ended up lynching detectives. This is what you are doing. You doing this makes the town ripe for bandwagons. Give some evidence for who you want to kill. Without evidence, you make it too easy for scum to take advantage of your gut. I know you don't like me, and that's fine, but I am not an idiot.
Consider that my gut is screaming that you are mafia. Millar to some degree as well. Unfortunately, if you two are mafia, we're probably fucked. I therefore play as though you are town despite my instinct. Your gut is screaming I am mafia, but I am the detective, and you should consider playing as though I am town despite your instinct.
To go on about those who are 'confirmed' town, MoI also gets a pass in this respect since he has been providing very good posts and his behavior can be held accountable if he has a dropoff in quality. I feel that Iecerint is probably town with me as well. I am not sure about Spyrex, Ythan, Kdub, or Netopalis.
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My reasoning is his inactivity and lurkiness in relation to the fact that he is being discussed as a lynch victim. If he was going to help us he would be providing more content.
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look ive had it up to here with this shit. go ahead and mislynch me. i really don't give two shits.
if you all do a) i'm doing a
if you all do b) i'm doing b
i'm going to react you all.
if you all lynch me, i'm going to laugh at how bad the town played letting people like shotty, millar, or ythan run free and be scummy
if you all dont lynch me, i'm going to see what powers shotty, millar, or ythan has-
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robo you piss me off with your little one liners and inability to actually make a case on someone. ythan, bv310, same way. this town is so bad i'm ready to replace out, because mafia have surely beaten us if we don't come together. iecerint is being stupid with conspiracy theories and tunneling on me whenever he was away during half the shit he's tunneling on. i can't remember a single thing kdub has done to help us out. magnaofillusion is about the only one who has done anything worthwhile, but i know his analysis has been wrong when it has come to me. i wouldn't even care to be mislynched in this game, really, the more that i think about it. i would regret not being able to use my cool 2 powers i have, but there will always be another game in which i am a blue role for the town. the last time i was a blue role for the town, believe it or not, i used my ability to stop 2/4 cult recruitments so i know for a fact i am good at helping the town at night, but you guys obviously don't know me. just go ahead and lynch me-
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the last lylo i was in i got policy lynched when i had a stalk on the remaining cult (if the town wouldn't have fucked with me, we would have won) players like YOU, robo, are the reason this website has terrible town-play. policy police and naziism like you push stifles discussion and makes blue players like myself hard pressed to coordinate with the rest of the townRobocopter87 wrote:It matters no longer if he is Town. He is SUPER detrimental to the Town right not. Players like him cannot be alive in LyLo or the townWilllose. He needs to go, whether through replacement, modkilling, or lynch, or NK. But he needs to go. Fast.
This right here is scummy as hell, and is what happens when people push policy lynches. The person who is REALLY scum sits behind a wall of active lurking like bv310 or ythan. Then there are the dumb scum players like millar.Ythan wrote:
You think that this is scummy? As for the other thing, if that's the way you feel then tough shit I'm not going to make you feel any different. When you're done talking about what you get a sense of then we can talk.Ythan wrote:Have you considered that the inclusion of certain characters in the banner may lend credence to some claims over others?
I got policy lynched in lylo before. policy lynching is the dumbest concept ever created. you DON'T lynch someone when they're town. you lynch someone who probably ISN'T town like millarMuffin wrote:
LOL I love the implication that voting for you equals anti-town play. You want to know what's anti town? Pretty much the entirety of your play so far. The fact that you get so worked up into a frenzy means that even if you ARE town, you still need to not be in this game because we're going to get focused on you and your terrible answers, your inability to make a case, and the way that seemingly your only response is to start getting personal when you get cornered. Even if you are town, you aren't helping us. You're doing scum a favor by presenting such an enormous policy-lynch target that scum can just agree with the lynch on you and sneak past our scrutiny to D2.Furcolow wrote:more voting without any case, justification, or lack of scumminess from you
the more you go on playing this way the more i am inclined to believe that shit that happened earlier in the day was a ploy
i love how when i make fun of your terrible play you subsequently vote for me
youre so anti town
Congratulations, you've officially done more harm than good to this town. If you don't want to get lynched then you need to turn your play 180 degrees right the fuck now.
1) No more crying, woe-is-me appeals to emotion, no more personal attacks
2) Do some legitimate scumhunting
3) Stop pretending to be confirmed town.
this post = scummillar13 wrote:VLA this weekendso if you do decided to lynch me; your idiots
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the fact that players like you push on players like me is why this website is terrible for town play. I have a VERY high rate of catching scum. You should take notes.Robocopter87 wrote:
With kunkstar7 right? He's my bro, told me about that game. Exactly the reason I posted the way I did. Because since you act so stupid, you get policy lynched in LyLo. And lose the game for the town. Town play doesn't suck in this website. You've probably lost every game because you flip out so much and get lynched for being an idiot as town. And you hammered someone. Why do you act like this? Your just a selfish, stubborn, AtE player and have proved yourself as such in every game I've seen you.Furcolow wrote:
the last lylo i was in i got policy lynched when i had a stalk on the remaining cult (if the town wouldn't have fucked with me, we would have won) players like YOU, robo, are the reason this website has terrible town-play. policy police and naziism like you push stifles discussion and makes blue players like myself hard pressed to coordinate with the rest of the townRobocopter87 wrote:It matters no longer if he is Town. He is SUPER detrimental to the Town right not. Players like him cannot be alive in LyLo or the townWilllose. He needs to go, whether through replacement, modkilling, or lynch, or NK. But he needs to go. Fast.-
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my ability got stolen last night. I only have 1 use of it left, and I couldn't use it last night, because i was roleblocked when it was stolen. If Ythan was visited last night, it wasn't by me, so it was likely a doctor. I am up in the air on whether or not the ghost Kerrigan was scum or not. I really wouldn't put the same character in a game twice. Could Samus Aran have been scum? I'm not that familiar with metroidal alignment.Muffin wrote:
Did this happen?Furcolow wrote:unvote
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I have a plan. If there is a watcher or tracker role out there you should follow me when I use my ability check on someone. I will use it on Ythan tonight
FoS on Ythan until you explain to us how you know you were visited-
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I grok that term, but as a result, I dislike it; it isn't pleasing; it leaves an awful taste in my mouth/back of my throat. I agree that we need to be open to possibilities, but unless we have a coroner type ability, I don't see how we're going to be able to confirm anything here.OK, that's true, but that doesn't really answer or even address my questions.
Is your flavor discussion of human/infested Kerrigan relevant to this game itself in some way, or are you just complaining about the flavor implementation? Assuming the former, please clarify your position. I am having to doublethink hardcore to understand it. The scenarios I listed in my prior post are examples of the bizarre results of said doublethink.
Let's assume this is one of the worse scenarios for us:
it would either be 5v3v1
6v3
or 6v2v1
if it's 5v3v1, and you all lynch me, and we have a SK in the game with us, the scum can be down to 3v3v1. If there isn't an sk, which would mean there is a vigilante who hit someone (unless the scum can kill 2 people every night, which i highly doubt), then we are in much better shape. Assuming that there isn't an SK, it would be 6v3, in which case when we lynch Robo, Kdub, or Ythan and they flip town, we would be at 5v3 with a mafia kill tomorrow night making it 4v3 which is still lylo scenario tomorrow.
We really need to get our acts together, guys.
this post is scum trying to push a policy lynch, which is a popular play these days. Sarah Kerrigan is one of the most evil bitches to ever live. I'm probably the biggest Starcraft fan in the world. You can ask me ANYTHING about that game lol.Shotty to the Body wrote:
Yes well between V/LA status and modding I've been pretty good. At any rate, yes, I think it'll be better today. Where did Iec go he never answered my question, Furcolow is obviously suspect for his hammer, did I miss anything else?Muffin wrote:
Shotty are you going to be more active today? Over 28 pages you've only made a grand total of 12 posts.Shotty to the Body wrote:The human kerrigan bothers me as well so I see Ythan's point, but there aren't any other females in SC that control Zerg as far as I know so is he scum or not is debatable, filing away the possibility for good and evil variations of characters to exist in this game. I also didn't realize we wouldn't get alignment reveals, makes it difficult to know if you're even winning....
I agree with Muffin here to be questioning shotty. He has good logic.
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