Mini 1000: The Brave and the Beautiful (Game Over)

[Muffin]

it's all too WIFOM to even make a case on really
I'm keeping my vote on MoI

Even after all the evidence that points at MoI being town?

unvote
vote: Furcolow

[Iecerint]

Why are you voting Furc on that basis over Kast or me?

Also, what made you wonder whether we were my mylo?

[Iecerint]

Oh, nvm at that last. I guess there are only 7.

[Furcolow]

Muffin there is no possible way you are scum with MoI, because Bv310 wouldn't have made that claim. I'm not 100% on MoI being scum, but he is my top suspect, which is why I'm keeping my vote on him. I wouldn't be surprised if Iecerint, Kdub, or Bv310 were scum.

[ReaperCharlie]

The Brave and the Beautiful - Vote Count 4.11

MagnaofIllusion [2] - Kast, Furcolow
Furcolow [2] - bv310, Muffin
Kast [1] - MagnaofIllusion

Not Voting [2] - Iecerint, Kdub


With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch. The deadline is Tuesday, August 24 at 9:30 pm EDT.

[Muffin]

Why are you voting Furc on that basis over Kast or me?

Also, what made you wonder whether we were my mylo?

Well firstly you aren't voting for MoI. Secondly I have my reasons

[Kdub]

bv's claim pretty much confirms Magna as Rikku, regardless of either of their alignments. If bv and Magna were scum and lying about the ability to "confirm" Magna, they would both be sunk if Magna were to die and flip as someone other than Rikku. Unfortunately, since millar's character (Kerrigan) had ambiguous canonical alignment, I don't think we can say for certain that canonical alignment is related to alignment in this game.

bv:
Is your character also confirmed to Magna? Depending how you answer, I may have some follow up questions.

Care to summarize for me? I have no time to read everything. I will tell you one thing though, I will be willing to stake anything that MoI is town. His role,

plus his abilities

make very little sense as scum.

Are you talking about his thief ability, or his other ability that lets you communicate privately? Why does it not make sense as scum?

[Furcolow]

Why are you voting Furc on that basis over Kast or me?

Also, what made you wonder whether we were my mylo?

Well firstly you aren't voting for MoI. Secondly I have my reasons

explain your reasons considering i'm the only reason we've caught any scum at all

[bv310]

My role's confirmed to him, in that he "scanned" me before.

Kdub, I was talking about both of his abilities. Ability Thief + Neighbourizer would be WAY too overpowered as a scum role. Also, Kerrigan was basically confirmed scum as soon as she flipped, given that Kerrigan turns evil very quickly. Rikku is a protagonist in two separate FF-X games, and never turns evil.

[Kast]

@BV-
-According to MoI's claims, no your role is not confirmed to him. He only investigated your Affiliation as Good.

@MoI-
-Assuming your "second" ability is neighborizing, why neighborize with an unknown town lurker (BV) instead of neighborizing with a confirmed cop (Muffin)?

[Furcolow]

My role's confirmed to him, in that he "scanned" me before.

Kdub, I was talking about both of his abilities. Ability Thief + Neighbourizer would be WAY too overpowered as a scum role. Also, Kerrigan was basically confirmed scum as soon as she flipped, given that Kerrigan turns evil very quickly. Rikku is a protagonist in two separate FF-X games, and never turns evil.

You're saying it would be overpowered doesn't mean that it is overpowered this game, or that you're not both scum.
I am starting to lean towards you not being scum, but I still believe MoI is clouding your brain. With this setup, with people having so many abilities (millar's zergrush was hilarious and some would argue imbalanced), you can't really say anything is overpowered unless it gets into bastard modding.

[Kdub]

bv:
No, I'm asking if him Neighborizing you confirmed you as Alyx Vance to him in the same way that it confirmed him as Rikku to you. For that matter, did any info about you (name/ability/alignment/etc.) get confirmed to him when he used that ability on you?

[bv310]

Alignment, yes. Other than that, no.

[Muffin]

i'm the only reason we've caught any scum at all

Surely you jest. I tagged millar early on and kept on him the entire day. You chimed in at the very last to hammer.

[Iecerint]

Neighborizing with a town-aligned player seems like a reasonable use of the ability to me.

[Furcolow]

Well, regardless, Muffin, I'm fairly sure we're on the same side.

[Kast]

@Iec-
Given a choice between neighborizing a Confirmed-Good with unknown abilities or a Confirmed-Cop, the former doesn't make much sense. It's fairly standard to neighborize investigative roles whenever there is a claimed/confirmed one present. Redundancy in learning investigation results is huge.

@Fur/Muffin-
Credit for millar's lynch would go first to Robo's increased lynch threshold power.

[Furcolow]

agreed

[MagnaofIllusion]

More comments in general later when I have time.

That said -

If you have two confirmed (to you) players with which you can choose to Neighborize which should you choose as a logical target.

1. The confirmed outed Cop?
2. The confirmed only to you?

If you are using the Neighborize as a means to pass along information to a player likely to survive the Night you choose player 2.

Please continue to say it doesn't make sense at your whim.

[Kdub]

Alignment, yes. Other than that, no.

Magna, can you confirm this?

[Kast]

If you are using the Neighborize as a means to pass along information to a player likely to survive the Night you choose player 2.

Unless you expect two coordinated night kills, then targeting either player will achieve that objective.

If you care about passing along an outed & confirmed cop's investigation results to the town, then you choose player 1.

If you care about coordinating investigation results so the cop you roleblocked doesn't waste his investigation on someone who was already investigated and/or you can help him choose a good target, you also choose player 1.

[bv310]

We agreed in the QT that it is pretty bizarre that scum would leave both the cop and the vig alive for this long. We disagreed on whether Muffin was lying about his role.

[Kast]

@Kdub-
It sounds like he's still referring to the stolen affiliation investigation as confirming his affiliation; it does not sound like BV is referring to MoI's neighborizer power as confirming affiliation.

[bv310]

@Kdub-
It sounds like he's still referring to the stolen affiliation investigation as confirming his affiliation; it does not sound like BV is referring to MoI's neighborizer power as confirming affiliation.

QFT. I didn't realize that's where the issue was here.

[Kast]

@BV-

We disagreed on whether Muffin was lying about his role.

Please clarify this.
-You think Muffin was lying?
--If so, why do you think that?
--If not, why did MoI think Muffin was lying, despite confirming the ability himself and trusting the results of the ability?