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CTD, there's a difference between joining a bandwagon on the most voted player in the game and really pushing a case you believe in that happens to be wrong. I perhaps phrased the above incorrectly, obviously almost everyone will end up accusing an innocent at some point, the difference is in how controversial the viewpoint is. Someone who is medium-late on every wagon doesn't look like an ideal townie, no matter really what the flips.I'm old now.-
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farside is almost certainly town. I imprinted her and declared her town 5 pages ago and she has not gotten a single imprint since. If she and two scum buddies ignored that gift then she's got amazing self-control.
So now that's clear, farside should convince herself elvis is town and we'll have a scumbusting trio of awesome.
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from when Soc replaced in wrote:Limerick's imprinters are Limerick, KoC, farside22 and Plum/Socrates
Interestingly, when Limerick was second in line to be imprinted when Socrates replaced in, he had Socrates' support. Since then he lost it. So he's actually had 7 unique people voting to imprint him. The people who haven't are SC, elvis and Reck - oddly enough. I think that puts two scum on his imprint wagon, personally (thinking Reck is scum and elvis and I aren't.) Socrates is a weird one because he didn't side with his predecessor and that could well be due to a scum strategy.from when he was imprinted wrote:Florida (limerick) (6) - Florida(limerick), Ohio(Koc), Kansas(farside), Colorado(CTD), Montana(pug), Hawaii(buttonmen)I'm old now.-
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Wow. So it turns out, of those on that initial imprint push on D1 before DN was lynched, we have one confirmed scum, one confirmed town (starbuck) and EVERY OTHER VOTE OR NOMINATION barring one imprint from Reck all came from people who are currently on the Limerick imprint.First imprint wagons at end of D1 wrote:In all -Ohio(5) -Nevada,Florida, Arizona,Ohio,Colorado
Colorado(5) -Nevada,Ohio,Colorado, Iowa,Florida
Hawaii(5) -Nevada, Arizona,Kansas,Colorado,Hawaii
Essentially, whenever imprints have been decided, Serial, Elvis and Plum have been nowhere near those being imprinted.I'm old now.-
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I seriously don't.
I'll tell you my side of what you're raising and see if that addresses something. I think button is town, but I'm not sure. I am conflicted on Limerick and think it's possible he is scum. I don't particularly think either will make the best choices while imprinted and am worried that imprinting scum is worse than imprinting town is good. The people I have the most strong town read on, you and elvis, are nowhere near being imprinted. This makes me even less happy about an incestuous (not meant to be an insult, just a way of describing the situation) group of imprinters who are getting close to or physically imprinting people without 2 probable townies. If I squeeze Soc into that mix, it's without 3 townies. This is problematic. Even if I only assume me and elvis town, I know there's at least two scum in the individuals imprinting Limerick and Buttonmen, and given the wagons are close to identical there's a good chance that both scum have voted for both of them.
So in general, I am unhappy about their imprints.
However, you've given me an idea.
@allI don't think many people have suspicion of farside. There might be a lingering bit. But as I said earlier, I imprinted her and declared her town, and not a single other person chimed in, which suggests to me she definitely doesn't have a group of daytalking friends looking to capitalise on a gift. I think she's genuine, almost certainly town and isn't tainted by the hate that elvis and I are. In fact, she spat out a fair bit of that herself during her time.
So I say we should GET HER IMPRINTED before we no lynch. She hasn't got many votes at the moment, but I can't see why most people who have a town read on her can't imprint her. We'll have 3 imprinted then, but most people were looking at imprinting 2-3 anyway, so it won't be too crowded.
So get it done. Imprint her now. I think we can get her imprinted, and that will be outside that sphere of influence that's been doing most of thei mprinting so far.
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This is a list of when people started suspecting reck. I don't think his opinion should hold much sway in keeping you off the imprint list tbh.698 elvis says Reck is an alternate choice for scum. (lists 3 others she thinks are actual scum.
763 farside says that she doens't care for reck's turnaround.
782 SC posts case on Reck based on turnaround of opinion
801 Plum says my summary of Reck is disheartening and sees how similar Messiah and Reck are in their voting patterns.
847 CTD replaces Messiah and adds Reck to his scumlist as third behind VMD and SC.
856 Limerick says he doesn't like Reck, and links to pug.
Nobody hammer for a while please, I really genuinely want to get this imprint up.I'm old now.-
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Why not, it's just the two of us in this intimate setting
More seriously, if you think it's something they can react to, hold your thought till tomorrow, you're probably unlikely to be killed even if they get a kill.
And if it's something we can't do anything about even if we knew it was a possibility, probably better to keep that under your hat too. I don't know, use your judgement.I'm old now.-
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No, the scum get an ability of some kind. They can only use one ability each night. Unlike the town, the scum will be able to use that ability for the rest of the game. If they are imprinted more than once, they can 'collect' abilities. So they only way scum could get a kill and an ability is if they're imprinted twice and they get the kill ability one of those two nights. Even then, they can only use EITHER the kill or the ability each night.
Of course, multiple scum could get abilities though, so if all three scum had kills, the scum could kill three people per night.I'm old now.-
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Just to summarise for those skimming the thread - could you all
a) Not hammer the nolynch,
b) imprint farside.
She's been pushing around trying to find scum, she didn't get any support for my attempt to imprint her five pages ago which suggests she doesn't have scumbuddies who are prepared to imprint her and I think in general she is looking solidly town. If you really don't want to imprint farside, can you say so and give a reason why as well please.I'm old now.-
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Farside is removed from both Reck and myself, the two biggest suspects of today. I can't think of anyone who actively thinks she's scum apart from Reck, even elvis has changed her mind on farside. I imprinted her, elvis said she read town. If she were scum, there would be three daytalking players who have a strong vested interest in seeing her imprinted. You can't tell me that none of them would even put a feeler out about possibly getting her imprinted. She would have been a perfect candidate. It's not just that she didn't get a triple imprint directly after, it's that there was no reaction at all from anyone.
And more than that, farside has hardly been my buddy this game. We've been at loggerheads, with serious personal, playstyle and logical issues with each other. It's not the same as me imprinting elvis, this is a thorn in your side suddenly becoming an ally, and that's fruit that's too sweet for scum to ignore, I'm sure.
What is the very strong scum motivation? Explain to me the scenario.I'm old now.-
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I agree absolutely with everything in this sentence, especially about my ownership of a twirlable long moustache.It might be wildly paranoid speculation with no grounding to base it on, but I would say it makes for a compelling narrative, does it not?
Yes. A thousand times yes. For this to make sense, I have to be scum (something you know to be unlikely, in that you are imprinting me and have thought me town for ages) and farisde has to be scum (any reason to think that?) and we'd have to be scum TOGETHER which means we had manufactured every fight in thread. I think the chances that all of those together are true are ridiculously small based on play so far.Am I the one that is being too paranoid now?
Of course, I could be town and wrongly trying to clear farside scum, but I also think that's unlikely given everything else I've said recently. Or I could be scum and bizarrely trying to imprint farside town, but that's probably a stretch too.
I don't know, is it worth not joining this because there's a chance of the 'SC and farside are both scum together' scenario being true, even if it's totally outlandish and actively contradicted by almost every major event in the game? Up to you, I suppose.
I really want this to happen. You didn't vote for either of the imprinted (I think), are you happy with them being the only ones imprinted? When elvis and I weren't voting them either?I'm old now.-
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Limerick, I'd point out that when you first mentioned your objection to a different number of imprints you were asking for an additional one, now you're denying a third. If farside had been imprinted twice and you were the candidate for the third imprint rather than the other way around, would you still be taking this line?I'm old now.-
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You can always quote someone to see how they wrote it exactly, but essentially you type (with square brackets)
(url=http://blah.com)Words you want the link to be(/url)I'm old now.-
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There are many roles that are easily claimed as scum. Doc, for example. Roleblocker too.
I'm not 100% sure what you guys were hoping for, 3 x cop was never exactly going to be likely.
For me, the value in lynching buttonman has just gotten significantly higher, because I don't like his flavour and the fact he didn't vig despite saying he would, and his switch of targets and because limerick and buttonman are now very dangerous if scum.
Socrates, have you done any meta on KoC? That's my only real concern.I'm old now.-
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lynching elvis or farside is on the opposite of the spectrum from where bright ideas lay.
I've had my scum view of reck faded for some reason. Maybe I'm falling for his disaffected style but I'm not really sure of him being scum. KoC is a decent choice but for me it'd essentially be a policy lynch. One of the vigs is a safe lynch given if they're townies it's like lynching a townie but if they're scum it's like lynching killer scum.I'm old now.-
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KoC wrote:You and farside have been, to some lesser or greater degree, at loggerheads for much of this game while not necessarily calling each other outright scum.Suddenly she is a perfect third imprint, when I could have sworn we wanted two,and you're trying to hold off the nolynch until you get what you want.I don't buy it. Two imprints is enough for tonight.KoC wrote:You either think I'm town, and therefore would be willing to imprint me, or think I'm scum, and therefore do not. This isn't a multi faction game, people here are scum or town, and the fact that you've got fence posts up your arse for about half the players in the game at this point is most irksome.You don't think I'm scum - ergo, you must think I am town/leaning town. You *should* want town players imprinted as a townie. Saying "I don't think you're scum, but I won't imprint you" is crazy.I'm old now.-
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Limerick, I've never particularly thought farside was scum. You can have a look through my iso but I think you'd be hardpressed to find me saying anywhere that she was likely to be scum.
The key thing that made me want to imprint her was the fact I didn't like the imprints at the time and especially their wagons and wanted someone completely fresh in there. If that couldn't be elvis or me, the most likely-town other option was farside. Also, the more spontaeneous things that happen the better it is to root out the nighttalking scum, I think.
Limerick or button, do you want to vig KoC tonight and we'll go after a different lynch? Seems like a waste to string him up.I'm old now.-
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Re: skydiving - it was great! I have a vague fear of heights, so it was a bit challenging, but easier than I thought it'd be. You're so high up you don't see 'ground', like rocks and trees, you just see a pretty patchwork picture. And you don't have to jump at all, the guy in tandem with you makes the decision to go. So apart from that it's all easy, and quite peaceful. I guess it's a terribly rigorous active participation.I'm old now.-
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I think Limerick in general has an OMGUS-y style. I remember the same thing happening after I made a case against him. His post is here.
You'll notice that 2, 3, 4, and 5 all are directly related to farside's case on you.
The rest of the case (being wary about imprinting again, the votes she's laid and asking to claim last) is fair, just relatively minor in my eyes.
I actually don't mind his efforts, nor do I mind the OMGUS. I think the whole episode has made me feel better about Limerick actually.
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I've never thought OMGUS was a scumtell. Town do it just as much as scum do.
What I liked about Limerick was that it looked like he was genuine in his searching and case making. His points that weren't OMGUS are true, and well-researched. It looks exactly like he's a townie who thinks he's being targetted by scum and goes off to find evidence for that conclusion. It doesn't look like a strategic, constructed case.I'm old now.-
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Socrates, before I even read anything, I like the idea of your list of words. I think WIFOM and OMGUS need a total theory workout (WIFOM =/= argument over, OMGUS =/= argument over or scumtell).
But by FAR the most meaningless word on site is 'misrep'. I have almost never seen scum purposefully take a statement and change it's meaning in order to make someone look worse. 99.999% of 'misreps' are simply natural 'Chinese whispers-esque' variations in understanding of meaning and context.
As for KoC - I just have a gut feeling on buttonman that I want him lynched now more than ever. I don't have that about KoC, and I'm unwilling to keep voting an empty slot. I think I switched because I want my vote to reflect my desire at the moment, which is a button lynch.I'm old now.-
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Two points. OMGUS is not a scumtell answers your 'you see him omgus' part, and the stuff below about him being a frustrated townie feeling aggreived at being targeted answers the 'and you think he's town???' part.If town do it just as much as scum then isn't it a null tell.
What about my thought on the limerick/buttonman interaction and imprints with each other?I'm old now.-
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This is a very, very difficult style of play. It leads you to make cases on obviously otwn players like farside and not obvious-but-still-town players like me. You need to be fighting confirmation bias at every turn. If you can pull it off, it's a powerful playstyle.but I think that in looking to bring up evidence to defend myself, I look to find contradictions in whatever my attacker said about me, so I find other stuff when I look.I'm old now.-
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farside, I don't think you're on the right track and I'm not sure what the answers to your question would prove one way or another.
I was imprinting pug for a while, I have been in favour of a few different styles of imprint. I never specifically said two only (I think), but I often said to keep the imprint pool small. It's a reasonable charge to say that I changed my mind, just the conclusion that I'm scummy because of it is lacking.
I don't see why saying 'I believe in two imprints no matter what' and never deviating from that is more likely to be town.I'm old now.-
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Lim - things change. I finally had someone I was confident was town and would have a chance of being imprinted. I would do it again. I worry when I see people say even though I think she's town I won't imprint her because of an arbitrary number I decided on earlier when I had less information.
As for the stuff about pug. all I'm getting is that I preferred his being imprinted (and farside's obviously) to you being imprinted, which was true. I don't think I would have needed any crazy special plan to that end, nor did I make any secret of it. But either way, the timing isn't as convinient as you say. You were defeinitely looking more likely to be imprinted than pug for some time, and I never switched my opinion then, or changed my mind on how many were needed. I only did that when I saw that farside was likely town and had a chance (unlike me or EK) to be imprinted.I'm old now.-
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Hello, responding.
I've been busy and low activity around but even then 72 hours is pretty lame, sorry kids.
Part of my frustration with this game is feeling behind the 8 ball, I'm not confident in many of my theories at the moment.
I wonder why (myself included) we all lost our suspicion of Reck that was almost universal yesterday.
I also wonder why buttonman has gone from so town as to be imprinted to a solid lynch candidate.I'm old now.-
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So Reck has given me a reason to think he's town. His assesment for me for meta reasons essentially outed him as scum in another game. It looks like it was a real attempt from him to find my alignment
KoC also died in a game of mine and flipped town while playing identically to how he's been playing here.
In short - I'm sad and confused.
I'm going to pull an epic gut scum read and vote CTD, even though I've got no chance of lynching him.
farside - I know that you're bound to be suspicious after that other game where I flipped scum. The key difference I'll point you to is willingness to self-preserve.I'm old now.-
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Reck, my alignment is unconfirmed in that game - if anyone from that other game looks at this one it'll be obvious what it is. I didn't attack you in that game for slipping in this one but you gotta stop talking about it.
In more general terms, I was thrown by Koc acting identically in another game as town.
At least with Vala scum it means my D1 hammer of Deathnote did indeed stop at least one scum from getting an imprint.
I'll do some analysis of this in a sec, but I think it shows CTD shouldn't be considered almost confirmed, at least.
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D1 Lynch.
Deathnote(7) - Elvis, Socrates, Pug, Iowa, CrashTextDummy, Limerick/Ortolan, SerialClergyman
Elvis (2) -Starbuck, Farside
SerialClergyman (1) -button
Not Voting (2) -Deathnote,VMD/KoCD1 imprints
In all -VMD/KoC(5) -Deathnote, Limerick/Ortolan,Starbuck,VMD/KoC, CrashTextDummy
CrashTextDummy (5) -Deathnote,VMD/KoC, CrashTextDummy, Iowa, Limerick/Ortolan
button(5) -Deathnote,Starbuck, Farside, CrashTextDummy,buttonPeak of D2 push to lynch SC
SerialClergyman (4) -button, CrashTextDummy,VMD/KoC, Iowa
Starbuck(3) - SerialClergyman, Socrates, Elvis
VMD/KoC(1) - Farside
Not Voting (3) -Starbuck, Limerick/Ortolan, Pug
6 to lynch.D2 lynch
Starbuck(6) - SerialClergyman, Socrates, Elvis, Farside, Iowa , CrashTextDummy
SerialClergyman (3) -button,VMD/KoC,Starbuck
Not Voting (2) - Limerick/Ortolan, Pug
6 to lynch.D3 Imprints
button(6) -button, Farside,VMD/KoC, Limerick/Ortolan, Pug, Iowa
Limerick/Ortolan (6) - Limerick/Ortolan,VMD/KoC, Farside, CrashTextDummy, Pug,button
Farside (6) - SerialClergyman, Farside, Elvis, CrashTextDummy, Socrates, Limerick/Ortolan
Pug (3) - SerialClergyman, Iowa, Pug
Socrates (3) - Iowa, Socrates,VMD/KoC
Elvis (2) - Iowa, SerialClergyman
VMD/KoC(1) -VMD/KoC
Iowa (1) - Iowa
SerialClergyman (1) - Socrates
CrashTextDummy (1) – CrashTextDummyD3 lynchbutton(6) - Elvis, Farside, SerialClergyman, Pug, Socrates, Iowa
VMD/KoC(1) - CrashTextDummy
Farside (1) - Limerick/Ortolan
Not Voting (2) -button,VMD/KoC
6 to lynch.D4 lynchVMD/KoC(5) - Elvis, Socrates, CrashTextDummy, Pug, Iowa
CrashTextDummy (1) - SerialClergyman
No Lynch (1) -VMD/KoC
Not Voting (2) - Limerick/Ortolan, Farside
5 to lynch.I'm old now.-
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SerialClergyman Mafia Scum
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SerialClergyman Mafia Scum
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- Posts: 2717
- Joined: March 27, 2009
- Location: Sydney Australia