Mini #893 - Dollhouse Mafia (Game Over!)

[xRECKONERx]

lol

I'm positive. I agree that CTD/Ort isn't likely.

[farside22]

Wow, did farside just imprint me? O_O

Yeah it's hard to ignore logic over gut and seeing bad playing that looks scummy.

[farside22]

Not imprinting VMD

farside, EK, SC, buttonman, Socrates

Sorry I forgot to put pug on this list of people that didn't imprint VMD. He is forgetable.

[elvis_knits]

lol

I'm positive. I agree that CTD/Ort isn't likely.

Atleast one of the scums is on the buttonmen wagon:

button (6) - Elvis, Farside, SerialClergyman, Pug, Socrates, reckoner

If you're town, reckoner, I think Pug and/or Socrates has to be scum.

I don't know how I feel about Soc. CTD keeps saying he is in love with Socrates and wants to have his babies, but I don't really know why.

[farside22]

lol

I'm positive. I agree that CTD/Ort isn't likely.

Atleast one of the scums is on the buttonmen wagon:

button (6) - Elvis, Farside, SerialClergyman, Pug, Socrates, reckoner

If you're town, reckoner, I think Pug and/or Socrates has to be scum.

I don't know how I feel about Soc. CTD keeps saying he is in love with Socrates and wants to have his babies, but I don't really know why.

Didn't think about that

unimprint: Socrates

I can see CTD saying he wasn't on the wagon and wanted KOC lynched. It's not conclusive for me based on the imprint of someone that was scum where DN scum was imprinting her as well.

[iamausername]

-=Vote Count #50=-

No Lynch (1) - Iowa
Florida (1) - Alaska

Not Voting (7) - Alaska, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Montana, Virginia

5 to lynch.

-=Imprint Count #50=-

Virginia (3) - Iowa, Kansas, Alaska
Kansas (2) - Kansas, Alaska
Iowa (2) - Iowa, Kansas
Georgia (0)
Alaska (0)
Colorado (0)
Florida (0)
Montana (0)

5 to imprint.

ALASKA = SerialClergyman
COLORADO = CrashTextDummie
FLORIDA = ortolan
GEORGIA = Socrates
IOWA = xRECKONERx
KANSAS = farside22
MONTANA = Pug89
VIRGINIA = elvis_knits

[elvis_knits]

Why did Limerick replace out of this game though anyway... is he still active in other games does anybody know?

[xRECKONERx]

Pug/ortolan vs Socrates/CTD scumteam?

[farside22]

Pug/ortolan vs Socrates/CTD scumteam?

I had ortolan/SC scum team in my head yesterday do to a dream I had. Pug has needed to be replaced or is anti-town/scum for me. He hasn't given much oppinion on the game and is coasting by. It's irksome.

[elvis_knits]

Do you really think CTDscum would have been trying to lynch KOCbuddy for two days, and never went over to buttonmen or anyone else?

[elvis_knits]

due to a dream I had

lol mafia dreams

[farside22]

Do you really think CTDscum would have been trying to lynch KOCbuddy for two days, and never went over to buttonmen or anyone else?

The whole I didn't want buttonman lynch but look I wanted KOC lynch is a null tell for me. i can see town and scum saying this.

[farside22]

due to a dream I had

lol mafia dreams

I don't sleep well at these times either.
You want to know the theory?

[Pug89]

But pug's vote also does not make sense since pug had voted to imprint buttonmen the day before. These two votes are the most suspect, the most opportunistic.

I believe I addressed this when I voted for Buttonmen but The things that made me question him happened after he was imprinted.

Pug and reckoner were also the last on the KOC wagon yesterday, only bussing when they absolutely had to, when several of us refused to compromise and give up on the KOC lynch.

I clearly stated I was OK with his lynch the day before and voted before buttonmen instead partially because of the potential for a NK. I also stated my intention to vote for him at the beginning of the day yesterday and didn't then because that would out him at L-1 and wanted to at least give him a chance to respond. As soon as it was clear that wasn't going to happen I voted for him, but it wasn't like it came out of nowhere.

The more I look at the wagons, the more I think limerick or CTD are likely to be scum.

Would you care to expand on this? I know you mentioned thinking CTD was scum yesterday, but I don't recall you saying why.

[SerialClergyman]

Look at the d1 imprint wagon. If ortilan flips scum, ctd had 3 scum and himself on his imprint wagon. He switched from backing starbuck to voting her.

However Elvis makes some good points, specifically about the buttonman lynch.

I suggest we lynch ortolan. There is less controversy there I think.

[farside22]

Look at the d1 imprint wagon. If ortilan flips scum, ctd had 3 scum and himself on his imprint wagon. He switched from backing starbuck to voting her.

However Elvis makes some good points, specifically about the buttonman lynch.

I suggest we lynch ortolan. There is less controversy there I think.

Didn't setting up lynches get you in trouble on day 1. Do we really need this type of post at this point and time.
What did you think of the analysist on the almost imprint of VMD day 1 in regards to Reck?

[SerialClergyman]

I'm doing the opposite of setting up lynches. I'm saying let's stop the speculation about scum teams and lynch ortolan who comes out of this looking very bad

[ortolan]

Vote: Pug89

Let's get the obvious out of the way first. I don't know what the case on my predecessor is but you're barking up the wrong tree so let's do something constructive instead.

[CrashTextDummie]

Got caught up with my other game, reread of this one is scheduled for tomorrow.

I'm a bit flabbergasted by how today has gone so far, particularly the insistence by most people to concentrate on votecounts almost exclusively to base their imprint/lynch votes on, which I find not only lazy considering the wealth of information available in thread, but also an unreliable and ineffective way to find scum in general.

Some more general observations before I do my reread:
1. I will ignore SC's stance towards me as long as he doesn't susbtantiates it with something that goes beyond stuff my predecessor did on D1.
2. Reading his last 2 posts, it strikes me more than ever how passive Pug is. Not only does he post rarely and little when he does, he also very rarely comes up with anything original and mostly concentrates on whatever has been adressed to him in the interim.
3. From what I've gathered, Ortolan got into this game as part of a cross-replacement deal with Iamusername. I'd expect him to honor this by actually participating.
4. Elvis has been by far the most reasonable person today, which comes as somewhat of a surprise to me.

[SerialClergyman]

Who is scum?

[farside22]

Vote analysist has some meritt to it especially looking at an almost imprinted scum member.
Like I said seeing Reck unimprint someone after another player imprinted said player that fliped scum does not makes sense for scum to do.

[SerialClergyman]

Farside, I vaugely agree with the reck thing but I was leaning town on him anyway.

[farside22]

I'm doing the opposite of setting up lynches. I'm saying let's stop the speculation about scum teams and lynch ortolan who comes out of this looking very bad

You know I think your scum with ort.
I just feel like an uphill battle of wills this game. I thought limerick scum after his knee jerk reaction to my post on him. He all the sudden starts to actually state a case where there has been tons of opportunity and time for it in the past. Then I have people saying they thought him town now think him scum.

Ort did the mod inform you what your imprint was when you replaced and give you the link to the game that the imprint came from?
If so can you share it with everyone here?

[farside22]

Farside, I vaugely agree with the reck thing but I was leaning town on him anyway.

Like I said I can't imagine scum taking that type of opportunity away from their scum team.

[CrashTextDummie]

Vote analysist has some meritt to it especially looking at an almost imprinted scum member.

Not when taken out of context like that. And particularly not when done like SC is doing, just taking those into account that fit his theory and disregarding those that don't.

I realize this is more of a strategy discussion, but I generally don't think it's fruitful at all to just look at votecounts and trying to deduce the scum from that. Naturally, I will take all votes into account as I reread the game, but until then, I'm gonna disregard all discussion about it.