Mini 702--Serum & Steel(The rust has settled/Game Over)
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The obvious way to utilize the Serum is to vote for ones self. This, unfallingly, will lead us to victory because, of course, we can trust ourselves and no others.
YET A CONUNDRUM IS FOUND.-
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Each game has its own flow. Its ebb if you will. It is up to me to interpret these deep meanings and float along with them.
And yes, of course one should find the path to freedom in the eyes of the serum before one hangs a villain.
Who is the villain? Who is the hero that deserves the serum?
It is these answers that will be given to us. ONE SHALL STAND. ONE SHALL FALL.
Is it you?-
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One finds this statement useful - obvious but useful. One wonders why one would vote for someone else with no reason considering the merits listed above.Some thoughts: simply voting for oneself for the serum without giving any justification is unlikely to entice others to also vote for you, therefore is not going to result in you getting the serum. The only way one could make it more appealing for others to vote for you and thus have a chance of being nominated for the serum is by either role claiming or at least hinting at one's role and the benefits that you getting the serum will bring to the town. I take it no-one's about to do this, at least at this stage. There is, I believe another way of assigning the serum (a very simple method also) but I don't think it's best I suggest it until the day has progressed and we've had far more discussion.
One also finds no merit in talking about talking about a plan while waiting for discussion when one knows that the fact such a plan exists will shape said discussion.
One expected this to happen. One did not expect it so early.Welcome, Timeater.
You are Triskelion, town-aligned metal fleet. You were just flying through the skies one day when you happened upon a gaping hole in the razor fields. You entered. You found a veritable war going on between some fleshies and an army of robots. Being the multi-faced person you are, you have decided to help the fleshies.
Abilities: You are metal. You cannot be killed in any way.
Win Condition: You win when you are the last faction remaining.
Confirm in thread.
However, one also knew that if PM's were available that our Mod would give evil ones claims that were safe.
One is very hesitant in giving a metalloid the serum. One is also even more hesitant that it has been done this early to one that was willing to vote for oneself to gain said serum.-
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The vote IS. It is being. It is one with the Juffo-wup.I intended to illustrate that simply voting for oneself without claiming serves no purpose.
The fact that you would see role-claiming as a method to "prove" oneself to the town AS town makes me wonder about you.
Unless you think our mod didn't think ofThat is, admittedly, a possibility.the most basic strategy for winning in a game where one could give their PM'sit is more certain than the sun coming out tomorrow.
We find this a better course. We wish it would have been taken. The one taken is not a good one. The fact that this better plan was just kept quiet until unveiling versus what has happened is worth noting.I actually did have an alternative in mind. This was that we let a fair portion of the day go past and then simply nominate who we found the least scummy for the whole day. Hopefully we would get a townie and then the mafia would have no idea of their role or possible serum abilities and whether they were worth nightkilling. My reasons were for not stating this plan up-front is that it would have given mafia players a reason to act particularly unscummy were they aware of it up-front.
You ask for trust when you have done nothing to warrant it. In fact, you have thrown it all out on the table and simply said "this is me" and now can shift the focus to just that.I really dont see the harm in claiming when I did. Coming from my perspective, I had to claim - the only downside of me claiming is that it gives ammunition and a topic to some possible scummers that haven't posted yet. I cant persuade people to give me the serum on my gaming merits alone; I'm a relative newbie here - the best thing I could do was claim.
"After wasting the valuable serum day 1 and, in fact, not being able to kill me directly the next day you can after I've done massive amounts of damage if I am scum (and you have no reason to think I am town) kill me - ps I have also claimed a role that will by nature force kills onto someone else and give me a perfect reason why, if I am lying, I in fact will never be NK'd"Like I said, if you dont like how I'm playing, or believe I am not to be trusted, you can always toss me in the Mycosynth pit a few days from now.
Words float away from us in sadness at seeing those words. We find..sorrow.If someone else claims metal today, I'm guessing they are scum. I know thats a huge case of WIFOM, but eh. If you are a fellow townie metal player, hold off as long as possible. We dont need egos clashing d1 to grab the first serum power, and we dont need the scum knowing who you are to make a mycosynth case on you.
The palest of winds blows into town. We find ourselves backed against the tower.
We must fire.
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Mycosynth: Timeeater
Vote: Ortolan
Until the eyes are proven to be town, why should we, or any, trust?
For shame upon you.
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Waste the Serum AND potentially waste the lynch?You could both give me the serum AND vote for me. I like that idea.-
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Ok, wacky silly time is over.
I'm sick and tired. So I'm a little over-zealous and my ravings are probably a lot more funny to me than anyone else.
So, serious business time.
We've had, in essence, two major developments. Neither of which I like.
1.) Talking about a plan in the future isn't a good idea. The plan you setout isn't good for a few obvious reasons.
a.) Considering how important the Myco is, we have to assume that Metal status is independent of alignment.
b.) Considering our mod is going to let us give our PMs, we have to assume that scum have safeclaims or we could just win right now.
--- thus, this plan was a bad one.
Now, to time.
You've give no reason, absolutely none at this point to warrant the serum.
You've given no reason for me to assume you are telling the truth.
You asked, in the scenario where you are telling to truth, to waste a lynch on you.
IF you are lying, we are 1.) giving a PR to the scum. 2.) not giving a PR to the town AND 3.) giving a PR to a scum that we can not remove in a day.
The potential of you being scum outweighs any chance of me being pro giving it to you today.
Metals are a damn nice benefit to the town but they are such a detriment in scums hands that yes, I will vote to Myco ANY metal that comes out that is not confirmed.
Instead, we should have done what is obvious - play it out like a normal game and, before lynch, decide who to give the serum to based on their play.
I'm not sure what you're aiming for with this. Of course more than an average number hit town because there are more town then scum. Would you suggest no lynching in its place?90% of all d1 lynches hit townies. I'm sorry, how is that a waste? Pontificate more plz.
Further, even if that PROVES you are metal it does NOTHING to prove your alignment - and thats the part I care about.
Giving the serum to a metal is a bonus. Not a right.
And it's a bit more like lynching a claimed BP in a game where you know BP's will exist on both sides of the spectrum. Not quite the same thing.
In my role PM I have an indication that the serum will grant me powers. I see no such indication in Timeater's PM. For that reason alone, I will not vote to serum Timeater.
Again, we must assume that ALL of us would get SOMETHING from the serum. That is not a reason to give or deny it.Concerning the Blinkmoth Serum: The Blinkmoth Serum is a substance that activates the inate abilities of a person. All players at the start of the game are vanilla. To gain abilities, they must be imbued with the Blinkmoth Serum. You may only vote for one person to get Serum, though. See Concerning Voting for how to vote for a player to be imbibed with serum.
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Considering this whole claim business - I had to make this statement that made me roll MY eyes when I said it. So, yea.So, play mafia. Gotcha. Where's that rolling eyes emote?
I dont have any buds. I'm not claiming to. Now, as the game naturally progresses I will probably GET buds.I dont disagree with point 1, but you're shooting down ideas before they even have a chance to come to fruition. I dont like this. You're not giving Ort (or myself) a chance to even talk about things without casting us in a negative light. I'm a firm believer in bonding until those bonds are broken or the "best buds" philosophy as I call it Razz Anyone can be the cold analytical sniperkid, not granting any case of WIFOM in any situation, only relying on hard lynch evidence, never trusting anything anyone says no matter the situation. Thats simply not my style and not the way I wish to go about playing most games. Especially this one.
In my own words? Can I?Can you, in your own words, define what a safeclaim is, and how it would apply to this game?
If you are Shuggoulth, the Destroyer of Worlds - chances are that you are given a different PM that says you are Captain Happy Bear, Bringer of Sunshine complete with the correct win condition and matching flavor. The mod doesn't want the game won by flavor - and letting us show our PM's just reinforces that.
If you are telling the truth about being Metal - sure, why not? Its a gamble, but we cant even touch you until you go in the pit. If I was a scum metal in that position I sure would have.Do you really think I'd be so bold to claim as early as I did if I was scum? If not me, then who? Everyone else is vanilla. Its a bad idea for more metalliods (if they exist) to step forward in hopes of getting the serum. I dont understand your confusion.
Or, we give it to players that appear town AND if they are a metal it is a nice benefit. Maybe that.With that logic, a Metalloid will never get the serum because you will have Myco'd them to confirm them. That makes ZERO sense.
How? I'm voting for the ONE person I know the Myco will work on and most people have voted for themselves for the serum. The lynch is still what is important.We can get a better scumhunting process going in the Serum/Myco stage before the lynch stage. Thats what should obvious.
If lynching you and you telling the truth reveals your alignment AND you're alive - I'd eat my hat. Its not happening.I would suggest voting for me in hopes that an alignment reveal would be possible through the process.
If you are scum metal and get ANY kind of useful power it is a massive detriment to my winning. So, yea, watch me all you want.I am really starting to take your hostility towards the idea of a town-aligned metalloid getting a power as just pure fear. Extreme, un-adulterated scummy fear. Your first response to my claim was to myco vote me. What does that say about you? Rationalize it however you want, I think that was a big error on your part. I'm watching you.
See, this post I like.Gremwell wrote:claiming as a metal town this early in a frantic attempt to gain the BM serum is a profoundly poor move, if you are in fact a town metal, depending on how many town metals there are, you have already lessened the chance for a no kill tonight via scum picking you for a NK, also later on if a scum does somehow get the serum and gain the power to un metal someone they already have a target.
That said I do think TE is town
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Election dance is over. Stupid state.
Back to business at hand.
1.) What makes you a good candidate? Just the fact you are metal?- Why? There simply is no better candidate at the moment. The facts presented at the game's outset are that a metalloid cannot be killed in anyway; the problem with giving someone else the serum is that they will be killed night 1. It is simply illogical for a scummer to try to get the serum today because later tonight they will need to make a nightkill. There would be no way they could save themselves from a lynch the next day when they turn up alive (because the scum would logically kill the person with the power, the biggest threat, nothing can stop them). It just makes no sense for a scummer to go after the serum at this point in the game. They would have too much explaining without alot of excuses tomorrow (everyone except the metalloids are vanilla!).
2.) The assumption that the player will die is one only based on PR's and assuming that the scum aren't smart enough to dash in enough WIFOM to make it worth it.
3.) Wouldn't a metal scum want the serum more than any other player?
4.) What is the natural progression of this thought process? Killing who we give the serum to the next day if they, in fact, aren't killed?
I've made one decision so far that I am 100% sticking to now. I will not give you the serum today. I'm pretty confident you're getting the synth.
The vote, the important bit, I'm still not sold on but as things sit I am very happy where it is sitting.-
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I approve this message. In fact, I approve it enough to KILL PORKENS FOR IT MUHAHAHAI say we give no one the Serum, ever. Problem solved.
Serum: Porkens
2.) Why wouldn't you want to say it? Again, this is obvious.1. I'm a good player, I'm metal + I get all the ladies. Very Happy
2. I didnt want to say this, but if the scum did get the serum and did not die during the night, all they will have to do is claim they are metal.
3. Yes. Thats why I'm going for it. I cannot let that happen.
4. If they do not claim metal they have no reason to be alive. Sure scum know this, but do you think they would rather play a little game of what-if n1 or kill a cop?
3.) On some level you amaze me. Yes, it can not happen. Half of your claim (the being metal) is enough to warrant not giving it to you for just that risk.
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You're making the mistake of thinking that the scum are apparently functionally retarded. Of COURSE someone is going to go "OMG WE SERUMED WHI NO DEAD KKEKEKE" and the only reply in this game is "Metal, biznitches."
Its no super secret. In fact, when its that easy to figure out it is BETTER to bring it to discussion in case someone missed it.
As for Porkens? The serum is like politics: I'll trust the people who don't want anything to do with it a lot more than ones that salivate over the chance of power.
The fact that, due to the fear thought process, if he wins I sign his death warrant isn't going to be due to my machinations.-
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Normally I would too, however - the timing really made me think its genuine. The response as well. I could be wrong, but hey.Suspicious that Porkens said that to get the serum. I've got a list of players with the word Serum Candidates written above it. So far five players have been crossed off it.
As for the Plans laid out.
For today, and possibly tomorrow, I would be in favor of plan 3. However, not for the whole game - there should come a point when we can shift it to a information-based meritocracy (depending on how the PR's granted play out).
So, yes, I'm fine with 3 for nowish - I'll say right now if that random comes up Time he's not getting it.-
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We're going to play a little game called "Since this day 1 is covered in serum's and synths, lets lynch a luker!"
So stats as of post 184 of people the game:
Wall-E:
40 Posts! Last Post: Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:18 pm
Verdict: Definitely Not a Lurker!
Iron Man: BOO
Illumina:
2 Posts Last Post: Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:17 pm
Time between posts: 4 days.
Other posts on the site: 0
Verdict: Lurking, but buying the claim.
Ortolan:
21 Posts! Last Post: Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:20 am
Verdict: Not a Lurker.
Gremwell:
4 Posts. Last Post: Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:46 pm
Verdict: Lurker. Constant with activity in other games. Still dont like.
Tuberkulos:
2 Posts Last Post: Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:31 am
Other posts on the site: 0
Verdict: Lurker.
SpyreX:
21 Posts Last Post: Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:53 am
Verdict: Not a Lurker. Awesome.
Porkens:
10 Posts Last Post: Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:04 am
Other posts on the site: 0
Verdict: Skating the line. Post more.
Geraintm
5 posts Last Post: Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:19 am
Other Posts on the site since last post: 1
Posts between posts here: 2
Verdict: Lurker with some activity in other games.
TonyMontana
12 Posts Last Post: Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:06 am
Posts between posts: 2
Verdict: Skating the line. Post more.
Seraphim
2 Posts Last Post: Posted: Tue Nov04, 2008 8:11 pm
Posts between posts: 6
Verdict: Lurking. Lurking more in this game than others.
Timeeater
52 Posts! Last Post: Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:46 am
Verdict: Not a Lurker. Probably Scum Metal, but not a lurker.
FOR REFERENCE:
Our mod at this point had 12 posts.
That means that:
Illumina
Gremwell
Tuberkulous
Porkens
Geraintm
Seraphim
All have posted less. TonyMontana is equal.
This is sad. We've went through half of day 1 already and this is what we've got.
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Sorry, let me clarify:
Lurking in this game more than others (in this game).
Just based off the simple fact that she's posted in other games between this one.
I'm mostly sad at the fact we've got.. 7, not counting the replacement, at or below mod-line.-
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To be even more clear: No, normally I'm not gonna smash lurker head day 1. In a game with the shortened day one I think that this level of lurkosity isn't just anti-town, its scummy. Especially with us giving out the serum randomly - they have a chance to get it without opening themselves up for lynch.-
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You know I'm not heavily perusing that case.
Of those not posting here, Sera posted the most somewhere else. I called him out on it is all, really.
And of course Timeaters case is well thought out and no OMGUS at all.-
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Woo stuff happened!
Alright. Finished reading. Time to get to scumhunting! 8D
I think I don't like anything about this post.First of all: I think Timeater's claim may be correct. Seeing as he can't be killed by anything, I say we lynch him today to confirm if he's metal or not. If he lied to stay alive, well, he's probably scum then. Therefore, he dies. Even if the claim that he is metal is correct, however, there's still a problem that he may be metal scum.
Nextly, I feel as if the random serum-giving...well, it doesn't feel right to me. Sure, it's unbiased, but...meh. I don't like the idea of town wasting such a lethal power on a potential scum/lurker. So...
I think that if anyone gets the Serum, he/she should post the following morning with whatever role they recieved and what they did with it that night.
Does anyone disagree with this?
1.) It happens not long at all after being called out as a lurker.
2.) As was talked about before, lynching a claimed metal is about the worst thing we can do. Give him the 'synth and later we can hang him.
3.) Weighing in against Random is fine - giving no alternative isn't.
4.) Why in the name of everything should the person automatically post with what they did? There are a myriad of reasons to not do just this - some information is better left to stew until the minute it can be sprung properly.
On the flipside, I think I may like everything CF Riot says. You are forced now to post more. <3. I can see a meritocracy (like I've said I would prefer for said serum) - what would you suggest on day 1?
Although I am very for Mycosynthing the actual metal we have claimed versus a shot in the dark at this point.-
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Unless we mycosynth him (which I still call as the correct move for the 'sythn) - I'd bet dollars to donuts he survives for multiple reasons (minus the fact I think he'd survive because I still personally feel he's scum).Porkens for betting on Timeater's night demise. Seems almost Nostradamusian in his predictions.
Regardless of alignment, he wont be killed tonight. THATS RIGHT I MADE A 100% statement ohhh noes.
I am glad that the lurkers decided to lurk a bit less.
P.S. 4 days left. Lets, maybe, use them to lynch someone k thx.-
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Ok. What in the name of blue blazes.
This got not one, but TWO votes? That quick.Porkens wrote:Timeeater's posts have not impressed me so far this game, but I'm not convinced he is scum at this point, either. Since there is suspicion on him from multiple sides; I bet he's not going to be nightkilled anyway, so I...
One with "Four days left" and the other "Some kinda maybe WIFOM"
I'd vote for one of the two of you (probably the latter) but... wait for it... I already am.
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Urm...I find the post scummy, don't like the predicting quality to it, and am against his anti-serum sentiment?
You yourself say that you dont find the lets not serum scummy, so you are voting for it because you dont agree to it?While I can't say your 'let's-not-serum-anyone' policy is exactly scummy, your prediction seems to bother me somewhat. It almost seems to be WIFOM; the scum obviously won't kill him at night, even if we de-metal him? I don't like this prediction at all.
His prediction is duh, again, how is that scummy?
Does it play a role? Of course. That's damn near half the first day we're given. However, is that all of it? No sirree:Also, do you really think that me 'lurking' for four days because of real life is any sort of case for a lynch?
That was in response to the first post after the lurker fest - the one where you started out with "Time go get scumhunting" and, well, didn't do anything that even resembled that.1.) It happens not long at all after being called out as a lurker.
2.) As was talked about before, lynching a claimed metal is about the worst thing we can do. Give him the 'synth and later we can hang him. Twisted Evil
3.) Weighing in against Random is fine - giving no alternative isn't.
4.) Why in the name of everything should the person automatically post with what they did? There are a myriad of reasons to not do just this - some information is better left to stew until the minute it can be sprung properly.
But, you did decide to do some of that later. Lets take a look! Wait... that was above. You went "The no serum isn't exactly scummy. Saying that the obvious target to not get NK'd for multiple reasons is some kinda WIFOM and that makes you scum?"
Thats the hunting. Thats what you've done.
My vote is deliciously happy where it is. It's kinda lonely though - it needs friends and lots of them.
Because we ARE getting close to the deadline and nothing's really happened. I've got nothing but good feelins about Porkens at this point and the reasons for both those votes are bad.Spyrex just had a rather strong reaction to two votes on Porkens.-
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I dont know about the "we" but for now I'm more than content with my srs business vote on Sera.
I'm very much in favor of not waisting the synth - so, for today, I'm happy using it on a metal. In general I'd agree though.-
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If he meant we can either myco or lynch, he's wrong. However:
We can not myco and lynch the SAME person.Concerning Metal and Mycosynth: Some players are metal in this game. A metal player is inable to killed in any way, including lynching. However, each day, the town may vote for a player to be thrown into the mycosynth pit. This will remove any metal from their body, making them able to be killed. You may not throw a player into the mycosynth and lynch them in the same day. See Concerning Voting for how to vote for a player to be thrown into the Mycosynth Pit.-
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I'd still like to understand why Wall-E for the 'synth.
He's claimed flesh - if you think he's scum he should be the lynch. If you think he's town, he should be free. Now, the claimed metal that I dont believe, that seems like the correct call for the synth.-
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Honestly, I'm more worried about the lynch. The synth seems to be put to use on claimed metals. If someone, not at lylo, claims flesh and gets lynched and doesn't die - well, we've got us a liar and they can be dealt with.At Spyre: It's a stretch from the actual situation at hand, but don't you think if we just decided not to synth anyone that claimed flesh it would defeat the purpose of synthing anyone? I'm unsure of Wall-E's alignment and I have a better lynch candidate, so what's wrong with synthing him? In this particular scenario, I can see why you think TE is a better target, but I personally bet he's town. I'd rather not synth him and waste a good town role.-
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See, by the nature of the rules, I have to believe we're looking at 1 scum metal. More than that (BP/LP scum) and we're going to be boned really, REALLY quick.
So, I'm going to be that guy. Unless you've got me believing your townosity about 95% and claim metal I want your metal gone.
See timeeater.
All in all I just want us to move forward. We've been focused so much on the serum and the myco the actual part of this that matters - the lynch - seems to be lowest priority.-
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Coming from a scum in that game.
And, yes, all us scum would be outing ourselves for this. Really?
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What about Porkens? We've both had good things to say about him?
I even tried to give him the Serum remember? REMEMBER?
We need to synth time so he can be the lynch tomorrow that he so deserves.
CFR - Town
Porkens - Town
Wall-E - Probably Town
Sera - Most likely scum
Time eater - Scum
Oro - (Proabbly town)
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Porkens isn't irrlevant for the flimsy reasons, again, you're trying to say CFR and I are stupid enough to dance in front of the town as scum buddies. Both of us have expressed the same pro-town feel from him.Porkens is irrelevant.
Are you trying to breadcrumb to some "lol random lets give the serum to porkens because he's noble kekeke!"
Seriously? Is that all you got?
Just because you keep saying we should myco and lynch me over and over again isn't going to make it happen. If you want to make a case, make a case and quit dwadling. I have done countless protown things this game and I challenge anyone to say I have not. I also challenge anyone to make a PBPA addressing the scummy things I have done. I will gladly address any concerns about my play. Keep on making blind accusations, it makes you look really good (sarcasm).
I hope more people read SpyreX as steel scum. Notice, he is the ONLY person so far to accuse me of being steel scum. He has been the ONLY person so far to continually suggest my mycosynthing and lynching.
I agree with CFR about the serum being useless in the hands of someone not playing. Is that scummy?
I'd much rather give the serum to Porkens whom I still think was genuine in his "I'd rather not see it used." versus "I AM SOOO TOWN BECAUSE I CLAIMED METAL WHY /EMO I'LL QUIT YET I DIDNT"
I've said very clearly that I think 1.) metals in general are far more of a fear (being scum) then a help. 2.) that you're I'm metal therefore serum is definitely a move scum would make.
What do you want? I'm not giving you more than that right now. You are a metal. You are the right call for synth.
The last one is a hoot.
"NOTICE, SPYREX IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS IT RIGHT, SOMEHOW THAT IN BIZARRO WORLD WHERE SCUM DANCE IN THE OPEN AND CLAIMING METAL MEANS I AM TOWN HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE IT MAKES HIM TOTALLY SCUM"
If people dont move off tuber yes I will give him the serum before letting it not get used. I will never, ever ever give it to you. I'd rather see it in an active players hands. I'd even more rather see it in one of the aforementioned players hands.-
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Your statement that CFR and I are scum buddies dancing it up in the middle of town isn't a matter of WIFOM. It's retarded. I've mentioned WIFOM one whole time this game, regarding nightkills.It has nothing to do with being stupid. As you once said to me, WIFOM. Can you quit doing it?
My bad in assuming that if the deadline stands that nighttime would, in fact, have to stand. Or, whatever. Honestly, not caring much.Its extremely hardy to believe that Nat would end night without getting a replacement and letting that replacement do any night action with whatever power the serum might grant. THAT ARGUEMENT IS HORRIBLE AND EVERYONE SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE HOW HORRIBLE IT IS. CAPS.
Unserum, Serum: Tuber
If by "fangs" you mean showing how ridiculous you've been this game, sure. I'll continue to.Kitty shows his fangs?
I'm making fun of you because the last series of events warrants it.You are just failing miserably at trying to belittle me. You are so transparent.
You have a "smoking gun" and although you do myco me... no vote for CFR? But we're BEST BUDS because we're so obviously scum.
I felt bad, for a bit, when I thought you were going to leave because of pretend effrontery at something that wasn't even directed at you. Instead, after that bout of /emo you've came back like you're mr town again. You're not. I really hope people realize that you need the synth really, really badly and need to get hung even more badly.
Again, he who apparently knows all avenues of logic and reading of the game, why in heaven was anything we said illogical?The arguement they were pushing was so ludicrous and illogical I dont how they thought anyone could buy it. I honestly think we have our two best candidates for myco and lynch, after all thats been said and done today.
Also, love that still no vote up. Gotta make sure others will bite, right?
WOAH HERE IS ME BEING YOUR BUDDY AGAIN.CFR wrote:1 the logic was not faulty and 2 WIFOM does not mean that an argument is not valid. I think it's completely logical (though in this instance completely wrong) that a mod would move on with stated deadlines even if it may result in one person not sending in their night action. I also think it sub-par play to allow that to happen if you have the ability to give the action to someone who is active.
QFT. P.S. look at that magical link in my sig (Not CFR, you're cool).-
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Yes, I am an all knowing mafia genius.
Thats why I said very clearly how your play could, and would, be a decent gambit by scum. Because it, very easily in this setup, is.
I'm also being so callous and rude to everyone else, right?
Again, if CFR and I are so obviously scum buddies, why not the vote, still?
And what is/was "ridiculous" is assuming that with a deadline set in 2 days and a set non-negotiable 3 day night cycle that giving the serum to a player who is, in fact, not playing would be a negative overall for the town?
How is this a "smoking gun"?
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1.) I just looked at the last vote count. I totally missed it. My bad 100%
2.) God you irk me. In the pretend world we live in I assume that the laws that govern it are set. We are told a deadline is the 14th. We are told there is a 72-hr non-negotiable period for night actions. How, praytell, is it ridiculous that I, in fact, believe both of the above? If we, knowing the above, choose to give the serum to a player that is unable to use it it isour own faults.
3.) See above. If you think this is a scum gambit, well, wow. What would the attention on Sera (which I helped put there) and that on Wall-E (which I've made my stance on) have anything to do with this? Last I checked neither of them had anything to do with the serum.
I'm soo paying for it too. See all my paying for it. Do you see it?
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Would you like to show me this mystical we, the town business. Where was a true consensus drawn? I'd really, really like to see it.I really shouldn't have to explain it. Its pretty obvious. The facts are this: We, the town, decided that the best way to handle the serum would be to randomize the process, and anyone trying to tinker with the results after the fact would be considered scum. You and SpyreX made the fatal mistake of doing just that. I dont know exactly what you were thinking, but my best guess is, as I have said, you both thought you could use Tuber-inactive thing to your advantage to get a quick foothold on serum usage, perhaps for a few days (you could easily cook up something to make people keep giving SpyreX the serum). You could porbably also use the serum to confirm each other in fashion. Those few days could make or break the game and the scum would know this. You risked going after the serum at such a late date in hopes pork barreling a new serum majority.
I'll raise you one. I am not a metal. I can be hung today. If you're so sure about your "gambit" - hang me and offer yourself up for the lynch. If I'm scum, well, then your awesome abilities nailed two. When I flip town, they can hang you tomorrow and I double win.
So, you that sure of yourself?
CFR has been playing a very pro-town game. The only one who, at this point, I'd think was more town is, in fact, Porkens.
I still have every reason to believe that you are scum metal. every bit of it (this whole "we the town" business, the emo, the coming out, etc) would in fact actually be a good scum maneuver - you've got a lot of upside and even if you're called on it there is no direct link to your partners....versus what you're insinuating we're doing.
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I made a small mistake in what I said: Lynch me and offer yourself up for thesynthtoday.
As for the other bits, since well, its apparently really hard.
I have said: I think you are scum metal. I've said that from the beginning. On top of your gambit (which would benefit the scum greatly if it worked with minimal risk to the team as a whole) your play has been sub-par and had scumtells: the whole "we, the town", the "/emo", etc.
You have said: CFR AND I are scum because we went against the "consensus of the town" (Which I have asked you to show me and you have not). This would be outing two scum on day 1 for minimal gain, but hey, god forbid we letting strategies that win get in the way.
So, I offered you thus. If you are so sure we are scum, why not lynch me? If I turn up town you've got that proof you need to hunt CFR. However, when I turn up town then you should be swung up so fast it makes your head spin.
WITH THAT SAID:
I'm not desperate. Again, this is one of the many things you're doing that makes me think you're scum all the more. I am totally fine for a 1-1 trade considering the fact that I firmly believe you're scum.You just aren't making any sense. You seem desperate.
Again, we've covered the reasons why I opted to change it (notice I said if the serum wasn't moved I would put my vote back on Tuber). We've covered why, based on the rules laid out, I chose the approach of the Razor versus praying for Mod fiat.You should have known better to try to undermine the randomization process if you were townie. You really should have. You can attack me all you want, thats fine, but know you have no real defense concerning your attempt to undermine the random serum process.
You, however, have not even shown me (although I agreed to it) this mystical magna carta where it was said that disagreement with this plan = outing yourself as scum. I'd really like to see it.
But, hey, guess what? Ultimately I don't care all that much. I see Wall-E has shifted his vote, Sera will. Thats almost enough to lynch me. Get on it fellas.
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1.) I was assuring the town I was flesh so I could be A LYNCH, not the serum.1) Assuring the town that you are flesh and therefore deserve the serum is identical to me doing so.
2) The majority of the town assured you AFTER you stated your intent to vote the serum to the most "pro-town" (which, typically, day 1, is easy to scumfake) player that choosing to break the randomized selection plan would be considered a scumtell. The reasons were also stated at that time, but I'll outline them here: Day one is always hard to lynch on. Most times we get a townie. For something as game-influencing as the acquisition of a power we would determine the recipient randomly, to prevent the scum from gaining power night one as much as mathematically possible.
3) You're saying Timeater is too innocent to be town. For scumhunting.
I swear to you, that is what you said there. Read it twice. Also, nobody's insinuating squat. We're flat out saying; "Do not go against the randomness D1."
All that said, I think there is room here for negotiation, but I don't want to hear you call an attack upon you for fighting the random serum unfair or uncalled-for. You made your ultimatum, several others made theirs.
2.) See my whole giving it to someone not playing = bad for the town. See my serum now after the mod confirmed what was going on.
3.) What? I'm saying that Time is scum. I've been saying that. I'm saying he attempted to get the serum off the bat with "trust me guys". As for scumhunting - he said that two scum outed themselves early day 1 in such a fashion that the connection will always be there... really? Not to mention the other business.
But hey, whateva works.
Just look back a bit when you get this lynch.
Porkens - Town.
CFR - Town
You - Probably Town.
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Attacking != scumhunting.Also do you realize that I have perfectly legitimate reasons for attacking (aka scumhunting) like this? Do you understand my position concerning the serum and how you tried to undermine what we did? How does that make me scummy?
Again, how does assuming that if there was no replacement thus giving said serum to someone who wouldn't use it based on the rules of the game undermining the position?
The scummy bit is the "CFR AND SpyreX are obviously scum together." It doesn't make sense. Yes, if CFR IS actually scum he played me like a fiddle but it ultimately doesn't change the fact you're saying that a large portion, if not all, the scum outed themselves to protect themselves from... well, nothing.
There is a difference between voting for the random and agreeing that not voting for it is a scumtell.When I say you went against the 'consensus of the town' I mean exactly that. The majority voted for Tuber to recieve the serum based on the random idea that Wall-E came up with and I nurtured to fruition. Seven people voted for him to receive the serum. Dont understand your confusion there.
Because I said I wasn't in fact steel. So, if you lynch me and I dont die you've caught me in a lie designed for self preservation only and therefore can in fact myco/lynch me and ignore me in the interim - so, testing the validity of my claim would say a lot.I am content with my CFR vote. He was the person to initially propose we undermine the randomization process. I think you are steel scum, so what would a lynch on you accomplish? I dont believe in wasting my vote.
Of course, my thinking you are steel scum again makes you wasting the myco on me make sense - it definitely makes sure it doesn't hit you today afterall.
You say over and over how I'm trying to show how smart I am. What purpose does it serve? I'd like to see where I've actually done this.You have gone through great lengths to show people how smart you are. Do you now expect them to believe you just now had a mental foible concering the cornerstone of d1? The whole IDEA of the random process was that the scum could not interfere at all in the selection process. And here you come, late to the game, trying to interfere. Do you really expect people to believe, that you, a self-proclaimed mafia genius, would not realize how scummy undermining the process would make you look? Its very contradictory.
However, to the latter. I'm pretty sure that even though I agreed to it today I was very clear I'd rather it be on merit. That aside, I wanted to have it actually be used so, again despite how much you seem to want to ignore it, I wanted it in anyones hands that was actually playing the game.
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Are you seriously saying "throwing in the towel" is ascummaneuver? That's sad news, son.
The fact that, once clarification was given, I shifted my vote back says?
Also, I'm not /emo voting. I wont. However, considering how ridiculous this has came lynching me for information makes sense. Just what do you think is going to happen from that, though.
This one will get pushed through - that easy enough to see. I'm not going to get inflamed and spew over it.
Hopefully it'll get things moving forward so, in fact, I can still win the game. At the very least I'm hoping you pay enough attention to what has went on to infact 1.) Not ever, ever, ever give Time the serum and 2.) Myco him tomorrow like we should be today.-
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Ok, lets make this 100% clear.
1.) When I flip town DONT FOR A SECOND instantly believe that Porkens and CFR are 100% town. I'm saying that their play definitely suggests to me such a thing.
2.) Oro, whom if I remember correctly was the one who initially did the whole "metal claim, get the serum" (I bring this up for the fallout that will come) has made some bizarre connections.
3.) I will hammer myself. Gladly even. However, this aint happenin' until we have a majority on Time getting the synth.
Please, please tomorrow utilize what has happened today to not go into space zombies. Say what you will, I want to win.-
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Ohh and after you lynch me, as a huge BTW: Scum are not going to have all of them hold hands and dance. I see the dancing circle according to Oro is all 3 of us.
Could either of them be scum? Sure.
Do I think so? Highly doubt it.
Am I willing to DIE to prove a point about what I'm saying about who I think ARE scum? Yessir.-
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