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Yes, I see your explanation for your vote and I understand it. I'm just wondering why you're not addressing vellon. Like, I would have said, I'm going to vote for Jester because abc, but this doesn't apply to vellon because this and that, etc. But, that's just me, maybe.
Does that make sense at all? Is it wrong to ask questions for clarification? I was just hoping that you'd explain why your reasoning for your vote doesn't apply to vellon, but gorckat has addressed that (vellon hasn't been online for awhile). All makes sense now.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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OK, we seriously need to get something moving here...
Anybody else see this as lurky? Of course scum wouldn't want discussion to start yet, the chances of suspicion falling on them would be much higher. Same is true for town, yes, but isn't the town more concerned with having discussion to get reads on people? If suspicion falls on you, all the better, since that might give you a clue about people suspecting you. Not so much for scum.Archaist wrote:Well, I've been waiting for everyone to confirm. I don't think we should really start with 2 people missing.
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In the meantime, this game is dying, so I would think it's much better to at least get something going rather than leteveryonehave the excuse to lurk.
Besides, do we really know who is "present" at the moment if there's nothing to discuss on? Starting discussion is the only way to find out who is being active and who needs to be replaced.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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I second that. Nobody's votes seem thought out very well (including mine, which were more or less to get discussion going, so is that what everyone else is doing, or what?).
Meme, why do you like your vote. Is it because of ridethebomb's omgus vote on you?
And RTB, why exactly are you voting meme?
Gorckat, I don't see what led you to vote meme, either.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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A shameless omgus at that.
Gorckat, to answer your question, I suppose I'm beginning to be more suspicious of you since you are apparently hiding something.
I don't know what to think of Soupfly, really, and my vote on archaist was more or less just a catalyst. Now you are deliberately avoiding answering questions, so in that case...
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Sorry gorckat, I guess I could elaborate.
His comments strike me as rather odd. I can't say he's said anything very helpful so far (maybe nobody has, really), but he doesn't quite seem scummy either. It's hard to make real serious judgments when not much has been said. I'm sure I'll have a much more detailed opinion of him later, but for now I just don't know what to make of him.
You seem fascinated by him. Would you like to share your thoughts on him, or will you be keeping those to yourself as well. I don't know what you're hiding, and I think it's very possible you've got nothing to hide, which is why I was curious to know why you're not giving us more of your thoughts. If you're withholding them for strategic purposes, just say so, but it would be nice if you could contribute something...In Tartiflette We Trust-
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Happy Bday, gorckat. And to answer your question, my voting style is typically sporadic at first during the random stage and at times when nobody is talking and something needs to get rolling. Afterwards, I like to much more cautious with voting, because I believe one has to have a damn good reason to place a serious vote. Then again, I seem to take votes and FOSs more seriously than others, but I think there's loads of information in them. So for either you or soupfly to jump onto a wagon (if 3 votes in a 12-player game counts as a wagon), I think that's a bit fishy, but not nearly worrisome enough for me to place a vote. I will keep it in mind, though.
That said, soupfly's vote on me is a bit bizarre. Sorry, soupfly, but it's not that obvious to me, and people voting without explanation is getting annoying. It's excusable during random voting, but pretty damn unhelpful later on. So, maybe I'm dense, but would you care to point out the obvious for me, soupfly, and give your reasoning?In Tartiflette We Trust-
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I'm a bit surprised that sikario didn't get any more than sarcastic comments for his "first insightful point." As long as we're talking about who's lurking and who's actually trying to contribute, I'd actually make the argument that sikario is doing more lurking than anyone else. He has posted more than some of the others, but nothing of any real content.
I think there's a huge difference between ignoring the game and actively lurking. In other words, we don't really know if some of the people who haven't been present are making the decision to lurk, or maybe they're just busy/lazy/whatever and aren't posting yet. Sikario, on the other hand, is present, but making contentless posts to skate by. A well-deservedFOSfor him.
Actually, I have a question for you now, Sikario. You admitted that your reasoning is crap, but that it has to do for now. May I ask why that's all you have? Do you have more coming up? (In other words, what the hell?)In Tartiflette We Trust-
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Hm, well, the best way to be organized, I would think, is to have discussion long enough until someone does something really scummy, then discussion can be focused on that. With that in mind, unless I'm an idiot and cannot understand your reasoning, I'd say you've pretty much confirmed my argument that you're posting for the sake of posting. Not only are you posting nothing but filler, but you're also basing votes off of it now.
And uh, if using a vote as a catalyst shouldn't "be exercised so freely," then I would try assume you're voting sammich for a good reason, but apparently, you are not.
I'd be hesitant about voting for you, but nobody is, currently, so there's no danger yet. I think you've deserved a
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I'm sorry to see RTB go. He and meme had a pretty interesting exchange and I was hoping to see where that went... Honestly, I thought Meme had a reasonable vote on him, but I can't really see it as a concrete argument the way it stands. It seems that he may not have been lurking as much as he was just busy. On the other hand, he could be asking to replace out as a convenient excuse to avoid this sort of pressure, but, that seems unlikely.
By the way,mod, have prods been sent? sirwario asked for prods about a week ago and we never heard if they went out or not.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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Quick notes to Soupfly:
1. Are you saying that it's scummy to be willing to change one's vote? Last time I checked, tunnel-vision was a no-no
2. If we're going to talk about a lack of pressure with voting, would you care to explain how voting without giving reason is applying pressure? Were you expecting me to flip out when I have 2 baseless votes on me? Sorry for being nice.
I appreciate your finally giving an explanation, though. I'm hoping to hear something from Gorckat, because he has yet to give one, but rather piggybacks off of one of your explanations.
That actually leads me to a concern I've had lately. While Gorckat had some substantial posts early on, he's been very quiet recently. He's been posting without actually contributing anything.FOSfor him. Lurking is bad, and there are several players in this game that should probably be replaced by now (any news,mod?). Actively lurking, however, is worse.
That's all for now. We really need all players participating. It was nice to get some discussion going even though not everyone was here, but now that some serious discussion is starting to happen (however slowly), it's somewhat dangerous to continue this way much longer. We could very well all be townies building arguments against each other just because we're the only ones talking.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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What would I suggest? I would suggest that everyone start participating so that we don't end up in the situation I just described. Right now, you're the best case I've got, but that's only because not everyone is speaking up. If somebody turns out to be more scummy-looking than you (Gorckat, perhaps), then maybe I'll be convinced that you're ok for now. But, unfortunately, we're missing quite a few people and it's difficult to know for sure if any of the people talking are scum. They're very likely one of the lurkers.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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I have to agree there. Jenter should at least be given the chance to either get us replacements or let us know if he's just too busy to run a game. I think if he could get us mass replacements and dedicate some attention to it, we might still be able to keep it going.
Easy for me to say though. I didn't decide to limit myself to one game like Meme, so I can see why she's kinda pissed right now. I'll probably join you two, but I'll also be keeping tabs on this one in case it does bounce back.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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Questions for sikario:
how do you calculate your townie points? Seriously, though, I don't know how you see that as a townie post on behalf of Gorckat. To me, that post says, "yeah, what he said." I don't know about you, but I'm a bit unnerved by people who vote for the sake of voting without actually contributing anything.
I'm anxious for mass replacement day. Luckily, we haven't gotten so far where replacements mess up discussion. Most of the probable replacees haven't really contributed much, so their loss won't be very devastating. Meme, are you willing to give Jenter another chance?In Tartiflette We Trust-
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2 replacements so far. Woot!
To Gor I believe that the answer to your question would be, "uh... yeah" Why on earth should we trust you if you're going to play the 'yes man' all day? To me, this is lurking in plain sight. Posting for the sake of posting, and voting for the sake of voting. Feigning participation to get by, without having to say anything very incriminating. The town is way more likely to risk putting their foot in their mouth to make a good strong point. Scum is more likely to sit back and let townies put feet in their mouths.
Now, you did mention inconsistencies, good, but honestly, a good mafia can be just as consistent as a good townie, so that seems like a weak argument to me, and so far, that seems to be all you have. Is that all you have? I wouldn't know, because you haven't really elaborated anything. That's unfortunate for you.
That said, I hope to see more views and opinions coming from you as replacements filter in.
Speaking of replacements, welcome! I hope you will all be active so that this game doesn't have to die. Though there isn't much to analyze, I'd appreciate your thoughts on recent events. Guardian has already done so to some extent, which is great.
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Archaist/Gorckat: Fair enough. Though I will say that if you're going to agree with somebody, it helps to have something new to add if you're going to post about it. Otherwise, you're not really contributing anything, and that's not particularily helpful. I agree with many things that people say, but I generally won't post about it unless I feel I've got something to build off of it. Is that unreasonable?
As far as consistency goes, I'm not talking about amount of posting or length of posting, though if you wanted to go there, I would ask what that really has to do with consistency... I mean, there have been people who have been consistently lurking or not present at all, but that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I'm simply saying that if the mafia are playing wisely, they can make just as consistent arguments as a good townie. So if I'm being inconsistent, that's an oversight on my part, but I'm wondering how that justifies my being scum. Not a convincing argument to me, but maybe that's just me.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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Wow, am I the only one that doesn't like it when people don't explain their votes? Seriously people. Sik, if anyone was going to explain their vote on me, it should be you, otherwise, this just looks omgusy. But, welcome to the bandwagon. This should prove useful on Day 2.
That said, I'm not giving up yet. I'm just surprised there's this many people going against me with so little argument. To answer your question, Sik, I think the lurkers should be pressured yes, but lynched? wow that's a bit extreme.
And Pra, nice to meet another Minnesotan. I'm down in Mankato. Looking forward to hearing your input on this game. Good luck.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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Arakorn, if you weren't new, I would be very displeased by your entrance. Townies generally like to have as much information as possible. Only the scum can afford to be making decisions without carefully considering everything. You'll want to take the time to read over everything and start coming up with your own arguments rather than pick up on others' as Gorckat said.
I love how people think I'm scummy because I'm being too nice. "Be careful of that one, he's trying to be rational and not emotional! What a scumtell!" My bad I guess... maybe I should be a jackass and vote recklessly. Would that be better? I'd like to see anyone make an argument for this.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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I'll be back on my regular schedule in a few days here.
Meme, you have an interesting proposal on Pra/sammich, though I'm not sure how much weight it has at the moment. The strongest argument you have there, I would say, is the active lurking point you make, though he wouldn't be the only one guilty of this here.
I'm wondering why you bring his vote on me into it. You yourself seem inclined to start voting for me, so why is his vote for me in your commentary, especially if he used "decent reasoning?" The rest of your list seemed to have something that would try to implicate him as scum, but that point is empty and seems more pro-town than anything. Did I miss something?In Tartiflette We Trust-
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Meme, I see where you're coming from, but I'm still not sure it carries much weight. It's noteworthy, but not voteworthy, imo.
Top three for me at the moment will go something like this
1-Dead/Sikario- Sikario for already-stated reasons, DR for suggesting that everyone post their top 3 without being willing to post his own. It makes sense to me that the scum would like to get others discussing and making implications without sharing their own. Less to worry about that way. I'm not impressed.
2- Gorckat- maybe your voting habits really are just strange, but I think nobody in this game has voted with less discretion than you.
3- Arakorn?- This guy is new, so I don't know what to make of him, but he hasn't done much to be helpful. My best guess is that this is a newbie thrown into a scum position and doesn't know what to do. This is just a guess. If I'm wrong, Arakorn, you may want to start participating to prove it to me and the others.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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Gorckat, seriously, what the hell? Soupfly isn't even among your top suspects, as you laid them out last page. Are you just joining a wagon for the hell of it? Or are you just trying to make me angry?
You asked where your votes are harming the town. In my opinion, voting without reason is never helpful,especiallywhen there is a deadline and every vote needs to be taken seriously. With the deadline quickly approaching, I think we need to start narrowing down the list of votees to a few possible candidates. I think you, Gorckat, would make an excellent one, but unless you fail to explain yourself, I think DR is the best choice for today. Arakorn is a poor choice as he hasn't really contributed anything, which is a great cause for suspicion, but I think he ought to be replaced, honestly. I still think it's incredibly possible that he's a newbie thrown into a scum position and doesn't know what to do with it, but I also think it's likely he's a newbie who could quickly become an easy target for the scum to pick off. Actually, if he were scum in the first scenario, I would have expected him to join a wagon somewhere, regardless of how much he's read. On the other hand, he won't be of much help to the town if he's not participating, so as far as I can tell, there's not even a remotely safe read on this guy right now. I think attention should be focused elsewhere.
In case you're not all aware, the deadline is in 4 days, so, let's get the discussion going eh?In Tartiflette We Trust-
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Just for the record:
Rikimaru (3) - neko2086, Guardian, gorckat
soupfly (2) - Archaist, SirWario,
Gorckat (2) – Tarhalindur, Arakorn
Arakorn (1) - MeMe,
Guardian (1) - Pra a Funkee Home Sapien
neko2086 (1) - soupfly
not voting (2) - Gorgon, Rikimaru
I'm wondering if SirWario will be replaced in time. If not, does his vote still stand? Is Pra's issue being resolved? I'm just concerned that there will be stale votes at deadline.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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The problem with the deadline where it is is that we have people missing and I'm afraid we won't get all the replacements here in time. I want this game to move forward just as much as you do, but I want everybody here, too. If we get everybody here in time so that they can discuss and make a decision, great, but time is short.
On to more important things, though, are you voting Arakorn simply because you find him useless? I mean, do you really think he's mafia? Do you not care whether or not he's mafia?
Rikimaru (3) - neko2086, Guardian, gorckat
soupfly (2) - Archaist, SirWario,
Gorckat (2) – Tarhalindur, Arakorn
Arakorn (1) - MeMe,
Guardian (1) - Pra a Funkee Home Sapien
neko2086 (1) - soupfly
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I've already stated that I think Arakorn would be better off replaced than lynched.
I don't appreciate being mocked. I asked you those questions because too many times I've heard this argument:
"Hey, this guy's not acting pro-town at all, so if we lynch him, we either get rid of scum or an anti-town townie. Either way, we win!"
I was just wondering if that's how you felt, or if you really believe Arakorn is likely scum. You do, and that's all I wanted to know. I personally don't think there's a clear read either way, and going back to my original though on him, I would put my best guess on him being scum, but it's only a guess. His vote is troublesome, but not sure it's enough to convince me. He could very well not have had time to read through everything and make a great decision, in which case he ought to be replaced.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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Your motives were questionable, that's all. At the moment, it didn't seem like you actually believed arakorn was scum, so I thought I'd apply some pressure.
I'm starting to wonder about Arakorn, though. He seems to be going out of his way to go with the flow, which would fit in with the idea that he could be newbie thrown into scum position. A newbie in a town position might do the same, but maybe with less likelihood? I dunno, any thoughts on this? It's starting to be fairly clear that Arakorn has little interest in reading through the game, maybe even regardless of time constraints. I'm considering changing my vote. Depends on what you do, Arakorn.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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So you've been mafia before... I see... there goes that theory...
That would mean that you're going with the flow not because you don't know what to do, but rather, just to try to appease everyone. I might have to find this game you were in.
How convenient that you'll be available after deadline.
DR, you had better have something profound to say tonight. Not moving my vote.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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Just so everyone knows...
Rikimaru (3) - neko2086, Guardian, gorckat
soupfly (2) - Archaist, SirWario,
Arakorn (2) - MeMe, Gorgon
Gorckat (1) – Tarhalindur
Guardian (1) - Pra a Funkee Home Sapien
neko2086 (1) - soupfly
not voting (1) - Rikimaru
I'm wondering if Tar and soupfly will be keeping their votes where they're at (same for Pra, but apparently he still hasn't gotten logged in.
I believe we have less than 6 hours before deadline is up. Did we ever find out what happens if there's a tie? If there's a tie, would that be a no-lynch? This would be important to know, considering DR still needs to place a vote, and it will likely not be on himself.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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Whoa whoa whoa. Let's not get too jumpy, eh? Arakorn could very well have been a scumwagon, and I have issues for Meme to address as well, but that's a tad bit brash. Besides, what about Gorgon? Not even an FOS?
So Tar, I was going to ask you why you weren't fond of the Arakorn wagon, just before deadline, but that explains it. I would like to know, however, what you didn't like about the DR wagon. I would also like to know what made you vote guardian.
Meme, I've notice that throughout D1, you had absolutely nothing to say about Sikario/DR. Any particular reason?
Thank you for fixing the vote counts, Gorckat. Somehow I'd missed Arakorn's unvote in the last one I did. I expect much more participation from Arakorn today, and perhaps an explanation why he did not place a vote before deadline.
I'm assuming that mikeburnfire is replacing SirWario... so...
What's up with Pra and Archaist? I believe Archaist was the only one who did not have some sort of excuse for not being here.
That's a pretty good start for D2, I think.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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Tar isn't making me very happy either, especially since he isn't addressing my questions, which are:
1) Why vote Meme but not at least FOS or even so much asmentionGorgon, who was also voting Arakorn.
2) Before deadline, you said you weren't fond of the DR and Arakorn wagons. You've explained that you thought the Arakorn wagon was a scumwagon, but is that also why you didn't like the DR wagon?
3) Why did you vote Guardian before deadline?
To Arakorn: Generally, it's a good idea to have a vote at deadline. Not placing a vote before a deadline merits even more suspicion than placing a vote on the wrong person. The mafia's goal is to look as innocent as possible, and not placing a vote is an easy way to stay off bad bandwagons or to not have to bus a partner. A townie's goal is to worry less about looking suspicious and more about finding the most scummy players. Actually, it's OK for a townie to look suspicious early on, and even get lynched (as long as we're not in lylo), because scum also look for easy targets, and a townie lynch can provide quite a bit of information.
BTW, the more experienced players can elaborate or correct me on the above if I'm missing something, but I believe this is the general belief. Also, I don't normally discuss game theory in games, as I think it's a distraction and is usually scummy, but Arakorn is fairly new to this site.
To mike: I look forward to hearing your evidence.
To soupfly: I see you're following someone else's lead with little explanation as usual. Is this going to be a pattern for the rest of the game?
I need to do more rereading. Now would be a good time to start looking at possible scumbuddies. Unfortunately, the extensive lurking on D1 will make this difficult.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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I agree that Meme needs a chance to say something. I do think though, that we can pretty safely lynch Meme and have a confirmed cop or a confirmed scum D2. Scum would not likely fake-claim when we're not at lylo, so I think this is probably a safe move.
I still don't see why you wouldn't have voted either gorckat or myself instead of Guardian, but if you are indeed a mason-cop, I suppose it doesn't really matter anymore.
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soupfly, I may have exaggerated that a bit, but I can come up with at least one other instance:
I originally thought that I had remembered another instance, but it was a random vote on archaist you placed right after my vote on archaist, and I was asking you if you were going with the flow as a sort of a poke and prod to get things going... the game was kinda dead then.soupfly wrote:
after his latest post i see something.gorckat wrote:vote: neko2086
Quick re-read and I think this is a good start.
unvote: sirwario
vote: neko2086
and don't ask for an explanation this time. that's getting old.
Still, I'm pretty concerned about you. If Meme is indeed scum, then I just have to wonder why she was so adamant that you not be lynched D1.
In the meantime, that would be something good to hear from Meme. Why didn't you like the idea of a soupfly lynch?In Tartiflette We Trust-
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Just because you preface something with 'I know this will sound scummy, but," doesn't make that sound better. It's sorta like saying, "I'm not a racist, but..." That never ends well.
TAr, I'd be very wary of revealing any information unless you think it is absolutely necessary.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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Soupfly, I would agree with you except that he did explain himself eventually, whereas mike was voting on "bad vibes" and you were voting on "gut" that happened to agree with Mike. In my eyes, you're now trying to deflect suspicion from your own play.
I will agree, however, that it would have been nice to have gotten more discussion before the claim, but I do feel that yours and Mike's reactions are rather suspect. It's not so much the fact that you voted for him, since I would have voted him too if he hadn't addressed my concerns, but rather it'showyou voted for him. Neither of you gave him a chance to explain himself, and neither of you provided any reasoning.
And Mike, it is, actually. Prefacing something with "I know this will sound scummy, but," sounds like a major cop-out to me.
I'm reserving judgment on you two, though, until we get everyone in on discussion here. Night should be coming soon anyway.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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I need to reread before I make any decisions, but I'm leaning toward mike atm.
BTW, did anyone figure this stuff out?
Is it worth discussing? rudni is tarhalHope this is clear -- don't act until you've talked it out, please!
M1: rudni
M2: rudni+
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bump merge to 3 (think).indur, and he was obviously going to be the nk target (though that's not 100% for certain I guess since nobody died).In Tartiflette We Trust-
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You can modkill... or... you can post rules saying that anyone else posting pms in the future will be modkilled
Also, what's up with Pra?
And soupfly, I think you ought to share your thoughts as long as your still alive.
I need to do more rereading, then I'll be able to contribute something relevant.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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After rereading, it's still pretty unclear to me who the most likely 3rd scum is. For the time being, I would still go with MBF, but I'm a bit uneasy about both Gorgon and Javert. Soupfly suggested the possibility of a Pra lynch, but I am highly opposed to such an idea. Meme's encounters with Pra don't quite fit a scum-pair relationship unless she was seriously trying to distance herself from him. It does not appear, however, that she made any attempt to do the same for sikario (hardly ever mentioned him, actually), and her aggressive behavior against RTB/Guardian, suggests that she was not interested in attacking her partners for distancing, but rather town for easy lynches. She didn't even jump on the sikario bus, which would have been a great way to distance herself if she chose to do so. She probably wanted to leave as little connection as possible between herself and the other mafiates. Unfortunately, she didn't target many people, so it's difficult to narrow the possible scum down from that theory, but I do think Pra can pretty safely be called town (for now, anyway). We should not waste our lynch on someone who is somewhat likely to be scum anyway. The most likelies should be first, as to avoid problems later in the game.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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I think we should kill Javert. If he is scum, then he will never forget the town that destroyed him and his scumbuddies in a perfect volley of lynches. If he is town, then he will never forget the first game in which he got lynched as town. Either way this will be an epic game for him.
Is MBF even trying anymore? I think he's a good pick for today, but it's up to you, tar. Javert would be my second choice. I'm never impressed by people who tell you repeatedly that they're town.Javert wrote:
Reading back on MeMe's posts, it is fairly clear that when MeMe voted for Pra a Funkee Homo Sapien in Post 384, her vote was made at a time where it was very likely that Pra was not going to be lynched due to a lack of votes near deadline. If there was distancing going on, that is precisely when scum will distance because the risk is minimal.
When she voted Arakorn in Post 331, however, it was at a time where lynching Arakorn was possibility, and that was in fact the purpose of her vote. The context of the votes sometimes matter more than the presence of the votes themselves.
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Even though you didn't directly ask for people to reconsider this vote, the appeal to emotion is still there. If you can make people believe that you're townie by saying that you are, perhaps they'll change their mind. Scum can offer up their "last piece of advice" in a last ditch effort to appear helpful.
I really would have preferred to lynch MBF or Javert, but your latest posts are somewhat troubling.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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Javert, stating that you're town does not help your case. I thought I'd mentioned this before.
I will agree that we should have taken more time for discussion yesterday. I, myself, was convinced that either MBF or Gorgon was scum, so I didn't give it much more thought. We do need today to last as long as possible.
Now, I have thoughts on javert, gorckat, and arakorn that could point to them being scum. For the moment, Javert is at the top of the list, simply because he insists on calling himself a townie. Telling us he's town over and over again doesn't make it true, and his story about not wanting to be lynched as a townie is an emotional appeal that makes me very uneasy.
Arakorn made a less-than-impressive entrance into the game, and has contributed very little. In his last post, he got defensive and also decided to share with us that he's a townie, neither of which is helpful.
I had suspicions of Gorckat at the very beginning of the game, and I'll have to review them now to see if they have any merit or not in light of recent events. It's mostly his voting style, but I have to look him over very critically now.
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Javert has a very good point here. That was pretty much the problem I had with gorckat D1.
Also, looking at gorckat's last post, he didn't even mention anything about Javert. His arguments were mostly about Arakorn, so why the sudden change?
The Arakorn concerns are valid, though. This is going to be a difficult call. I'm still not sold on Javert, though. An appeal to emotion is not helpful, whether done constently or not. That just makes it a convenient excuse. I will agree, though, that that won't be enough to make a case. We need to look at every angle here.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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So, Arakorn is the more logical lynch, but you'd rather lynch Javert just because you don't want him there in the endgame?
Your reasoning almost sounds OK, except it relies on the fact that Javert and Arakorn are the only two possibilities for scum. For you, sure, this is true. But if you want to convince the rest of us, you have to keep in mind that there are three or four possibilites, you and I aren't necessarily cleared in everyone's eyes. I for one, think you are a definite possibility, thus your plan looks like an attempt to set up a seemingly fool-proof way for town to win, when in reality it could be the exact ticket for a town loss. In fact, if you're scum, it's the only ticket for a town loss unless you can convince everyone that I'm scum, which will obviously be more difficult. Essentially, you've outlined exactly what gorckat-scum needs to do if gorckat is indeed scum (yes, I'm addressing you in 3rd person). Calling it pro-town doesn't necessarily make it so.In Tartiflette We Trust-
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