Mini 527 - Doom in Valencia - Game Over!

[Tarhalindur]

/prodded

Time to look over the thread...

I see the case on Pra. I'll move at deadlinbe if we must force a lynch, but I think Gorgon, SirWario or sikario are better choices.

Holy scummy post, Batman. Gorckat is parroting other player's suspicions and supporting a wagon without actually placing his vote on it (or even a FoS, for that matter).

Have you gathered up any further suspicion or worry in the two weeks since then?

... and look, gorckat is asking for another player's analysis while offering no analysis of his own! Classic scum maneuver.

Gorckat's early play drew my attention in my initial reread, and what I'm seeing here only reinforces my suspicions. I am mystified as to why people are allowing Gorckat to slide under the radar here.

Unvote, Vote: Gorckat
FoS: neko

- I haven't forgotten him, either.

I'll look over Pra again, but at the moment I don't see much merit to MeMe's case (my gut read on Sammich in my initial read was that he was town). I'll also take a second look at MeMe, too.

[gorckat]

Holy scummy post, Batman. Gorckat is parroting other player's suspicions and supporting a wagon without actually placing his vote on it (or even a FoS, for that matter).

Would you rather go No-Lynch? I'm only moving if one of the people I think are scummier aren't being lynched.

gorckat is asking for another player's analysis while offering no analysis of his own!

Out of context. It was directly related to my questioning Gorgon on why he hadn't voted sikario, iirc, when they worried him.

[Guardian]

Vote Count

soupfly

(2) -

Archaist, SirWario

Guardian

(1) -

Pra a Funkee Home Sapien

neko2086

(1) -

soupfly

Gorgon

(1) -

gorckat

Sikario8

(1) -

neko2086

SirWario

(1) -

Guardian

Pra a Funkee Homo Sapien

(1) -

MeMe

Gorckat

(1) -

Tarhalindur

not voting

(3) -

Arakorn, Gorgon, Sikario8

This is assuming MeMe's was correct. Just for my benefit/boredom.

[Jenter Brolincani]

Dead Rikimaru replaces Sikario8. yay!

I confirm Guardian is right about the votecount, so I won't bother writing my own up.

[Dead Rikimaru]

Hi.
Catching up now.

[MeMe]

Just a wave -- still paying attention here & looking forward to Tar's follow-up thoughts and DR's take on the game.

[Guardian]

I'm terribly sorry Jenter -- but I would like you to look for a replacement for me, as soon as you can. I am in this and one other game, and that other game is winding down in the next month, at the most. I want to phase out mafia scum for a bit.

Thanks, and good luck all. I'll be here as possible, but my heart isn't in these games anymore.

[gorckat]

Frustrating.

[MeMe]

Incredibly so.

[Dead Rikimaru]

Just finished reading.
My eyes are bleeding with Day 1 confusion.
May I propose that we play the "top 3 game?"
A player state his/her top 3 suspects and the reasons for suspicion, the chooses another player to be the next.
This information will be useful on day 2 and will prevent players to slide through day 1 without really participating.

What? My own list?
I will save it for my turn, if people agree with the idea.

[Gorgon]

Crap - Guardian gone. This is one mish-mashed game.

I'm cool with the 'top 3 idea', except I'm hard pressed to name even three suspects. I could probably dredge something up if this idea goes through though.

General thoughts ...

Sammich/Pra is not the lynch today, IMO. Sammich posted some good analysis and looks more protown than not to me.

I'm not seeing the case against gorckat. Even though I appear to be at the top of his list, I think he's somewhat justified. Overall his motivations seem protown to me. However, if I'm to defend myself, I feel the case is thin, and hinges mostly on the fact that cast suspicion on Sikario8 without voting for him ... and yeah, probably the fact that I haven't been that helpful in this game, at least not so far. To this I can only say that there isn't an awful lot to go on, and the replacements and inactivity only add to the confusion and frustration. Right now there's a whole bunch of people that need prodding/replacing.

[gorckat]

May I propose that we play the "top 3 game?"

Why not?

[Arakorn]

Isn't the deadline today? Don't think we will be able to make a "top3" today... I really have no larger suspicions, as there has been so little analysis so far (on my part too, but those from TWC will know that I usually dont' do it either! )

[gorckat]

Deadline's the 13th.

Even still, we really don't have time to play top 3. Timezones and stuff.

Thinking...

[gorckat]

unvote

vote: SirWario

I like that better than Gorgon, at the moment.

[Guardian]

Dead Rikimaru, aside from proposing this game, you've contributed nothing since replacing in besides saying that you are confused. It would benefit the town for us to hear

something

from you.

Whether or not everyone manages to play, there is no reason for each individual

not

to play the game, and I find it suspicious that people are saying we shouldn't bother.

My top 3? SirWario, reasons stated. Sikario8/Dead Rikimaru, reasons stated/implied. Third? Soupfly I guess. That is intuition/from what I remember, though. I have this lingering suspicion of MeMe... she's scarry >:-).

Again, I think it would be good for the town to hear something substantive from Dead Rikumaru. Your top 3 list and as much reasons as you have for them would be great.

[gorckat]

and I find it suspicious that people are saying we shouldn't bother.

As it was proposed, I believe we do not have time to 1) get a majority to agree to play, 2) get everyone to post their list and name the next person to do so and 3) marshal some kind of action based on those posts.

I also believe I've already put my top three out there- Sikario (now DR), Gorgon and SirWario.

[neko2086]

Meme, I see where you're coming from, but I'm still not sure it carries much weight. It's noteworthy, but not voteworthy, imo.

Top three for me at the moment will go something like this

1-Dead/Sikario- Sikario for already-stated reasons, DR for suggesting that everyone post their top 3 without being willing to post his own. It makes sense to me that the scum would like to get others discussing and making implications without sharing their own. Less to worry about that way. I'm not impressed.

2- Gorckat- maybe your voting habits really are just strange, but I think nobody in this game has voted with less discretion than you.

3- Arakorn?- This guy is new, so I don't know what to make of him, but he hasn't done much to be helpful. My best guess is that this is a newbie thrown into a scum position and doesn't know what to do. This is just a guess. If I'm wrong, Arakorn, you may want to start participating to prove it to me and the others.

[gorckat]

maybe your voting habits really are just strange, but I think nobody in this game has voted with less discretion than you.

I've tried to be provacative, unlike other games I've been in. Each vote has been intentional and deliberate and will hopefully be useful later. Unfortunately, there have been really bad lulls with people getting replaced or just not doing anything.

Can you show me where my votes have harmed the town, or been done with that intent?

[Guardian]

ps: Jenter, if you haven't found a replacement... you can at least suspend your search. I'm thinking my disillusionment might be specific to the games I was in that are ending. At the least, I'll play through the game day, and night. At that point, this will be the only thread I'm involved with.

If at that point I still feel like I need to take a break from mafiascum in totality, I'll let you know.

[Guardian]

and I find it suspicious that people are saying we shouldn't bother.

As it was proposed, I believe we do not have time to 1) get a majority to agree to play, 2) get everyone to post their list and name the next person to do so and 3) marshal some kind of action based on those posts.

I also believe I've already put my top three out there- Sikario (now DR), Gorgon and SirWario.

Do you or do you not think it is a good idea for as many people as possible to list their top three suspects and give reasons for their suspicions?

To put it another way -- do you oppose us at least trying to start this "game" of listing our suspects?

[gorckat]

Sure- its a good idea to just do it. Once I was reminded the deadline was so close, I was afraid we'd spin circles.

[MeMe]

unvote: Pra

No reason to hang on under deadline when it's clear there's no other support for it today. At the moment, SirWario has two & soupfly has two. We've got to get someone to at least three before deadline -- about 6 days from now (in case anyone's still unclear).

I'm generally opposed to suspicion lists because they seem to simply help scum know who to keep around. Why not everyone simply state ONE suspect rather than three? That should focus discussion a bit.

Other than Pra, the one I had the most negative notes about after my reread was neko.

Also -- just a warning -- my anniversary is the 12th and I'll be out of town for the weekend to celebrate, which means I'll miss deadline. I will definitely vote before that time, but just wanted to give a heads-up.

[Guardian]

I agree with MeMe somewhat on that. Especially with Dead Rikimaru's suggestion of it and then hesitancy to do so himself, I am suspicious.

We should hear from DR. Also from Sir Wario. And Arakorn.

[Arakorn]

3- Arakorn?- This guy is new, so I don't know what to make of him, but he hasn't done much to be helpful. My best guess is that this is a newbie thrown into a scum position and doesn't know what to do. This is just a guess. If I'm wrong, Arakorn, you may want to start participating to prove it to me and the others.

Sorry, I'm having like 5 schoolprojects that needs to be completed within a week, but I will read through every post and try to contribute. (I am usually quite quiet, which makes me stand out here in a Mafia-dedicated community. ) Anyway, I still have no suspects at this moment...