Mini 527 - Doom in Valencia - Game Over!

[Gorgon]

Well, I'm not happy with this development, but I am a vanilla townie, so I'm expendable. Good luck.

[gorckat]

Instead of reading all 500 pages, would you mind at least outlining some reasons for the gorckat vote?

Indeed.

FoS: mbf

[Gorgon]

Since I'm still alive, I might as well offer my opinion as to my suspicions. I don't have that much to back it up though. This is just my general feeling at the moment.

From most suspect to least suspect:

mike - Arakorn - Pra - gorckat - Javert - neko - soupfly - Tar

[mikeburnfire]

Okay, I had a reason for my vote. I was browsing some of the earlier pages and saw that gorckat said something really scummy along the lines of "I don't care who dies" or "I'm scum" or something, but now I can't find it. Bah, this is what happens when I post at 2am.

unvote

[neko2086]

Well, I'm not happy with this development, but I am a vanilla townie, so I'm expendable. Good luck.

Appeal to emotion?

vote: Gorgon

[Gorgon]

Appeal to emotion?

vote: Gorgon

That's a very simplistic interpretation of what I said. You just went up my suspicion list.

The entire context of my post was that I had accepted my fate. I wasn't asking anyone to reconsider based on emotional appeals - just stated that I was unhappy that I was to be lynched, since I know I'm innocent.

I'm at what, four votes now? One more will probably do it, but since Tar has decided, I think I'm going down no matter what. Also, I've claimed vanilla, so there's no real reason for you not to lynch me, per se.

[gorckat]

Okay, I had a reason for my vote. I was browsing some of the earlier pages and saw that gorckat said something really scummy along the lines of "I don't care who dies" or "I'm scum" or something

I will wagon whomever needs to be wagonned to lynch. At this point, I just want this fucking game to go to night so that something will happen.

This was the end of my 57th post and probably what you saw.

[Gorgon]

... although I must say that neko didn't climb that high up. His play, apart from that last vote, has been good so far.

[gorckat]

vote: Gorgon

At this point, I think we're best off not going circles and proceeding with Tar's plan.

I think soup should do what he sees fit, either offing the player he has the best read on that Tar left in his 'not to be investigated'/'not a mason' groupings, or protecting Tar. Better to leave scum guessing entirely.

[neko2086]

Even though you didn't directly ask for people to reconsider this vote, the appeal to emotion is still there. If you can make people believe that you're townie by saying that you are, perhaps they'll change their mind. Scum can offer up their "last piece of advice" in a last ditch effort to appear helpful.

I really would have preferred to lynch MBF or Javert, but your latest posts are somewhat troubling.

[mikeburnfire]

This was the end of my 57th post and probably what you saw.

Yes, that's it. Thanks.

[Gorgon]

Oh well, looks like I'm lynched. Good game.

I think the town will be hard pressed to lose this one, but if you do, I shall be quite annoyed.

[Jenter Brolincani]

That's 5 votes for Gorgon, and a LYNCH!

"Ok then lads", says Tar. "I'm now obviously the cop! Hmmm..."

"And I... invent stuff!", says soupfly.

"Wow!" Gorckat looks impressed.

A shout from the crowd. "Let's ask the cop who to lynch!"

Tar turns...
"Gorgon, die you scum..."

The crowd charges as one.
"KILL!"
"MURDER!"
"PILLAGE!"
"RAPE!"

"..."

"rape?"

"Um..."

It was too late for Gorgon to hear this though. He was dead, deader than dead indeed.

And he was an innocent man...

Gorgon, TOWNIE, is dead. Night Actions to MEEE!

[Jenter Brolincani]

Day dawns. It dawns pretty frickin' catastrophically at that...

A giant smoking hole is the first thing you see. Itt is where MikeBurnFire's house used to be. MikeBurnFire has MikeBurnedinFire. He was a townie.

Also, you find Tarhalindur dead! No! His cops hat lying on the pavement, he has been shot twice in the back. Beside him lies the body of his friend Pra. He couldn't live on without his old friend, so he stabbed himself to death.

Tarhalindur (cop) and Pra (mason), the unpartable masons, have dieded muchlily. Mourn, people, mourn.

A catatrophic 5 alive, just 3 to lynch.

[gorckat]

Did they know they were "lovers"? Shit.

FoS: Arakorn

and

Javert

I think our (hopefully) last scum is one of them.

[soupfly]

damn, that didn't work out at all

i'm almost positive that my trumpet is an alarm system that can protect players so i'll be using it to protect tar. if there's a doc out there they can also protect tar to be safe or protect me to block another lynch. i doubt they'll try and lynch tar again but you never know.

this was a bluff by me. i was hoping that by bluffing i could get the scum to not target either tar or myself. instead i used the rocket of death on mikeburnfire because he was tar's top suspect so i was pretty sure that he wasn't the mason.

that really didn't work out very well at all.

we have 5 players left of which 1 is scum and 4 are townies. of the townies we know neko and myself are townies because i think i've shown that i am indeed the inventor and neko was most likely confirmed by the forged money printer. that leaves three: gorckat, arakorn and javert.

if there is a doc i'd be in favor of a claim, but only if they do it very fast claim...don't give the scum a chance to figure out that there isn't a doc and then fake a claim. so if there's a doc they should claim immediately. if there's three confirmed townies then we can just pick off the remaining two players today and tomorrow with one sure to be scum.

[Tarhalindur]

LAME.

[Arakorn]

Did they know they were "lovers"? Shit.

FoS: Arakorn

and

Javert

I think our (hopefully) last scum is one of them.

Oh, why is that?
Just the same reasons Soup stated? Then that makes your post pretty useless

I am too 99% sure that either Javert or Gorckat is scum, myself I'm just a regular townie.
Gonna try to read a bit back in this thread, see what I can find from Gorckat's and Javert's posts...

[gorckat]

Oh, why is that?
Just the same reasons Soup stated? Then that makes your post pretty useless

Testy?

Yes- its "just the same reasons soup stated".

He's the inventor, he seems to have cleared Neko, I'm a townie, and that leaves you and Javert.

Hmm...wonder who could be scum? Is there some sort of process of elimination I could use?

[mikeburnfire]

I died.

X_X

[gorckat]

Hello, I'm Arakorn and I'll be replacing McStab. As there's already 11 pages here I really don't feel like thoroughly reading through them all, so could someone just quickly sum up what actions have been taken so far? (Like, which day and who were lynched and who night killed etc?)

Or, we haven't started yet? There's nothing in the first post at least...

Joined game, lack of effort hunting the next several posts (not the ones mentioning V/LA, obv)

I also think it's worth to give this a shot and lynch Meme, at least we'll get a confirmation on his role next morning... That is unless someone has protective powers to protect Tar.

Vote: MeMe

Tally:

MeMe: (3) (Tarhalindur, Soupfly, Arakorn)

Doc fishing and distancing.

I get the feeling that Arakorn has avoided putting himself on the line at any point.

Re-reading Javert, I see no obvious slips, but I just don't trust him. Can't explain it.

He did point out that the printer could have been a tracker, not investigator, and that doesn't dupe Tar's role as well. In the interest of being thorough, I started back on neko and found this:

Wow, am I the only one that doesn't like it when people don't explain their votes? Seriously people. Sik, if anyone was going to explain their vote on me, it should be you, otherwise, this just looks omgusy. But, welcome to the bandwagon. This should prove useful on Day 2.

Followed by:

Wow, am I the only one that doesn't like it when people don't explain their votes? Seriously people. Sik, if anyone was going to explain their vote on me, it should be you, otherwise, this just looks omgusy.

But, welcome to the bandwagon

. This should prove useful on Day 2.

That said, I'm not giving up yet. I'm just surprised there's this many people going against me with so little argument. To answer your question, Sik, I think the lurkers should be pressured yes, but lynched? wow that's a bit extreme.

And Pra, nice to meet another Minnesotan. I'm down in Mankato. Looking forward to hearing your input on this game. Good luck.

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This was not the reaction I had hoped for, neko. Why can't you jusy be scum and get it over with? Why must you ruin all my fun?

unvote neko

Now we have to go back to lookin'...
::looks to gorc::
Are

you

scum?

That's an interesting exchange in hindsight.

[Javert]

soupfly, you were supposed to try to gain information

last night

, and use the 'Rocket of Death'

tonight

. Now if you have an invention that is investigative in nature, we will not know the results if you die tonight. We have gained absolutely nothing by your using the 'Rocket of Death' last night. Also, I would have

much

preferred if you had used the 'Rocket of Death' on me so I don't have to worry about being lynched. *sigh*

In any case, it is pretty clear that the scum has to be one of {neko2086, gorckat, Arakorn} -- I refuse to believe a Mafia Inventor who can kill twice in the same night. I have my preferences on who I believe to town (neko2086), but there is no sense in ignoring a salient possibility. Although I personally doubt neko2086 is mafia, I will point out for my sense of completeness that he is not "cleared" -- the only information soupfly technically received was that neko2086 made no actions on Night One. However, I think that that -- combined with his attitudes and actions towards both Sikario8 and MeMe -- make him extremely likely to be town, but not "cleared" in any strict sense.

It is apparent that players do not have the

option

of "choosing" to use the inventions soupfly sends out -- they simply have effects on players. The money forger gave a tracking result on neko2086; the bus role-blocked (at the very least) Tarhalindur; and the Rocket of Doom killed mikeburnfire. None of them had the option to "use" or "not use" these items.

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I am a Townie. I strongly suggest not having such a fast day as yesterday -- in particular, I do not understand why everybody voted Gorgon so quickly. Tarhalindur made it clear that he wanted to

read the game again to make sure he liked his vote

, but everybody seemed to interpret his vote as the end-all of discussion -- something I would

discourage

doing again.

[neko2086]

Javert, stating that you're town does not help your case. I thought I'd mentioned this before.

I will agree that we should have taken more time for discussion yesterday. I, myself, was convinced that either MBF or Gorgon was scum, so I didn't give it much more thought. We do need today to last as long as possible.

Now, I have thoughts on javert, gorckat, and arakorn that could point to them being scum. For the moment, Javert is at the top of the list, simply because he insists on calling himself a townie. Telling us he's town over and over again doesn't make it true, and his story about not wanting to be lynched as a townie is an emotional appeal that makes me very uneasy.

Arakorn made a less-than-impressive entrance into the game, and has contributed very little. In his last post, he got defensive and also decided to share with us that he's a townie, neither of which is helpful.

I had suspicions of Gorckat at the very beginning of the game, and I'll have to review them now to see if they have any merit or not in light of recent events. It's mostly his voting style, but I have to look him over very critically now.

More later.

[Javert]

Telling us he's town over and over again doesn't make it true, and his story about not wanting to be lynched as a townie is an emotional appeal that makes me very uneasy.

1.)

My statement "I am a Townie" was in response to soupfly's calling for a Doctor claim; I was essentially claiming "Not Doctor". Since there is no point in trying to "hide" my role at this point, however, I simply claimed my full role instead of saying the just as 'unhelpful' "Not Doctor". I am positive Arakorn claiming Townie was in the exact same context.

2.)

If you are 'uneasy' with me for those reasons, you ought to do a background check on me. I am very upfront about being town, as well as the fact that I have never been lynched as town -- and I am upfront about this when I am both town and scum. I can cite several examples of this if you would like, but you will have to give me time to peruse my old games and find specific examples.

[Arakorn]

Arakorn made a less-than-impressive entrance into the game, and has contributed very little. In his last post, he got defensive and also decided to share with us that he's a townie, neither of which is helpful.

Well none of those lines makes me scum either. About saying I'm town, it wasn't entirely to deny that I'm not a doctor, although it was partly. I guess I just wanted to say that I had no special role, and well, also to tell you that I'm not scum...