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The blatent OMGUS aside by Dr. BS (I got it too CKD)
I think our good doctor has tried (and phailed!) to come up with a good plan. The logic is there, that a NKed vanillia is not a powerrole killed and cultist gone, but he did say lynch, whether that was a slipup (which I doubt) or not I'm not sure.
The one reason I think he mispoke was he said "Try to get lynched by mafia" the mafia don't lynch on their own, nor do they control the lynch in a majority. I think he mispoke and for that I'll look at flameaxe:
This is quite simply, wrong. Why would the cult put forward an idea to weaken itself?Everything I've heard from you has been from a 'culty' point of view.
We're discussing already. This seems like a bad excuse for a vote.and I think pressure would be a nice discussion starter right now...
He's saying that any confirmed/claimed vanillia is a perfect cult recruit target. So he's treating vanillias as potential cultistsWouldn't a townie want the mafia to kill the CULTISTS...so the town could, I dunno. Win?
Actually, the best claim for scum is vanillia. A) The cult will try to recruit them and fail. B) the Town will not lynch them (using your reasoning). Vanillia's are pretty much an anti-town claim here. Although a real vanillia would have no reason to lie....hmmm....Lynching vanillas fights back against the cultists, but is basically helping the mafia get closer to a win.
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I think that we shouldn't force townies to claim, but lynching them isn't too bad an idea.
1. It will be the mafia's number 1 claim, unknown number and will help them beat the cult (when the cult recruits them they will fail).
2. They are/will be cultists.
Of course, I suggest we go after the scum first as they can NK the cultists to help their win.
These 3 faction games are interesting as the scum should go after the cult, as they will grow, making it hard if not impossible to get the 50% endgame, while town goes down/stays stable.
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I'm going to have to give Pwayne townie-brownies for what I feel to be geunuine anaylisis of each player.
Thats going on my list.
Rump, please explain what part of the wagon on flameaxe (read volkan's post if you want a condensed version) you disagree with?It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Fail and Hash.Flameaxe wrote:Oman's brownies are full of fail.
Its not your problem IF you're town. Your problem is finding scum, not getting out squeaky clean.Rump wrote:Yeah, I don't know what's going to make me look scummy or not. (That probably made me look scummy, but I wouldn't know.)
I don't beleive for a second that unvote was attatched to what you said. The BS wagon has gone down and tyhess is just jumping off with everyone else. I also see, from CKD's P.O.V., that his questions were not answered.CKD wrote:I didnt ask you to unvote, I asked you what points were valid and why you felt he was pro-scum
Well, tyhess, you have 3-4 days worth of posts with no opinion on them?It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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I don't like that vote on Pwayne at all. I think the defence of a play whos alignment is unknown should not factor into the concept at all. We have three factions here, only one of them knows who the others in their faction are (there is only one cultist now, scum know eachother). I don't like the idea of Pwayne being scum because BS looks scummy, but you say Pwayne is scummy is BS is town as well...hmmm.
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The thing about Pwayne is that he seems to play a defensive game (evident of his lack of support in pressure votes) so I'm not supprised he's defensive.
Also, I didn't vote you or even FoS you, so I would not call it an overreaction in any way.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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What I don't like is the very scumlike (In my opinion anyway) of a psuedo-conviction. He says
The sort of "These guys are scummy, but maybe newbs, but scummy too." Its very fence sitting.theo wrote:Not liking a lot probably due to newbishness/scummyness
Theo: Do you feel Rump and Tyhess are scummy because of alignment or because of experience?It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Is it just me or does this sound rather like "you look like scum, even though you're not".Tyhess wrote:Noone can trust you and you look like scum.
I dunno, maybe its just an odd word choice. I'd be inclinded to hop off theo and onto Tyhess but i can fully see this as a bus...hmmmIt's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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CKD looks town/cult to me. I like most if not all of his responses and questions.
My town-looking list includes: Pwayne and CKD for now (I feel like I've forgotten someone).
Scum-looking list includes: Flameaxe and Theo
Cult-looking list includes: CKD and tyhess (of course, it can only be one).
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Yeah okay, you take my cult piece of cake.
Now why am I voting for the suspected mafia instead of suspected cultist? Because I have limited experience with cults and I'm afraid that a town player would act remarkably like a cultist, especially a powerrole.
I'm gonna stick with scumhunting for now, I'm more confident.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Vanillia townies don't really need to be rooted out, they can be found through playstyle 90% of the time.tyhess wrote:I would think that the cultist would rather be looking for vanilla townies as much as he's looking for the scum.
Exactly, rather like a powerrole was my point. And I don't want to do anything that will get a potential powerrole lynched D1.CKD wrote:I do agree that the cult leader is most likely acting townish (or lurkish) Day 1.
Tell me why its crap, I voted theo for starting a crap case, and now I'm being fosed for that being a crap case. Tell me, who is scummier than theo right now?ac1983fan wrote:FOS:Oman for started the theo case (which is crap) and this:
Thats rediculous! They would have different playstyles, we'd just discussed this! You're nuts if you think scum and cult have the same playstyle D1.ac1983fan wrote:Don't try to differentiate from scum and cult. It's pointless, at least at this point.
Well, thats just silly, I'm not going to catergorise people I can't read. Hell I had to put CKD in two of them (though they were town/cult who we've just discussed have similar...blah blah blah)MoS wrote:nope, you didn't miss anything. Of course there's only856 people in a 12-person game! Everyone knows that. No worries.
I agree with this entirely. ac1983 has found a wagon that was buiilding to develop pressure and simply went against it with no reasoning. I'd love to follow through with theo right now, but atm, ac1983fan is my next target.Theo wrote:I find ac1983's votemorescummy - yep he's defending me, but I feel in a way the wagon is valid, so I'm surprised ac1983 thinks its crap.Removal mine
I want to know whats wrong with this theo case?It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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A good point, though would you relaly feel the wagon is valid based on avatar?Vollkan wrote:If I were to vote X on the basis of me not liking his avatar and you were to, rightly, call me out for that being a stupid vote reason there would be no onus on you to prove someone else was scummier than X.
Its more a setup if the FoS is their scumbuddy and the Vote is a townie. Thats not applicable here btw.Trojan wrote:'Cause it could be a setup for two wrong lynches in a row
I would like to know your stance on theo trojan. I happy to wait while you formulate it, but eventually i'd like to hear it. Thanks.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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After MoS' one post saying "Theo good, Flameaxe good" I asked him for more and he said:
He completly brushes over the fact that flameaxe came under the microscope not for vote hopping, but for his poor case on Blackstrike.MoS wrote:theopor has seemed genuine to me so far, and his posting has been full of content. Besides accusations of lurking early on, he has been contributing since then.
Flameaxe also seems genuine. He's smart enough to not mess up this early as town, and I think that a lot of his "vote-hopping" was just randomness. When he did extra "vote-hopping", it was because he was done being random and wanted to make a serious vote that just happened to not be on the person he was voting before. In addition, I don't think there is anything inherently scummy about vote-hopping, as long as you have a reason that you can give to back up your votes.
His analysis of theo is in my mind incorrect, as even scum can have content, and that doesn't mean they're pro-town.
Basically his reluctance to jump on either of the major wagons for reasons I don't like make me think he's scummy.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Sorry Plan was probably the wrong word to use. Perhaps "developed stance".
I think they're both scummy, and you're scummy for ignoring that they are or at the very least ignoring why.MoS wrote:Does this mean they're town and I'm scum, and you think I'm playing them, trying to gain their trust?
Actually I don't feel he should have joined the wagons. My point was more that he didn't and his reasons were unsatisfactory. I don't mind people not joining a wagon saying "theres enough on them" or "my gut says no" but the fact that he tried to put some "factual" (in the context of the game) reasoning behind it makes me uncomfortable.Vollkan wrote:Oman is basically saying that you should have joined the wagons unless you can articulate a good reason why not to, and he thinks you are scummy for that.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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He finds them both to be "genuine" which I read as "town". Thats fairly deveolped.Vollkan wrote:And what is a "developed stance"?
Because town have no reason to discount reasons like that. I can't see a townie saying "well yeah, but I'll ignore your reasons and just comment on the ones I want to"Vollkan wrote:MoS has ignored the actual reasons for the suspicions, but why does that make him scummy?
Read what I said, I don't mind if he doesn't wagon. What didn't sit well was him implying he had reasons to beleive theo and flameaxe were both town, even though he ignored the case on them.Vollkan wrote:He had no obligation to wagon, but you are going to suspect him if he doesn't give good reasons not to?It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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scumMY! I don't know you're scum. My theory is that you are connected to one if not both in some way. I don't think there is three scum in this game (rules post), but I believe there is a connection or if they're town., you're trying to form one (buddying up).MoS wrote:So, your theory is that I'm scum and They're possibly scumIt's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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The reason I suspect him originally began with his small half-post about theo and flameaxe. Then his defence contained very little about the actual case on them.
I'm not sure what the motives are in that, I'm not sure why either type of MoS (protown, scum, neutral, cult) would have done it, but it didn't sit well with me as a protown action.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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I would like to say quickly that I mostly agree with Voll "the interrigator" kan because I've seen him play town, and this is very townlike. Not to mention the fact that he is so damn convincing and authoritive.
Basically, he persuades me a lot, as do other players, but the others haven't posted such posts on such topics.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Tyhess's list looks incedibly sketch. 3 bandwagonees are the three on his list? I don't know. Especially since I'm more thinkingtheo is town after his reaction to the "wagon" on him. Also I never bought the Dr. BS thing.
Tyhess, what is it about those three you find scummy?It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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I'd just like to make a comment on this:
Flamescum <3 wrote:Omanscum <3: Oi, my first game was with Mr. Oman, and his play here doesn't really fit with that of N417. This may mean something, it may not. As for now, I'm leaning towards not, at least until I see some posts now that I are back up to speed in the game. Definitely seems to be pushing discussion, very agreeing. Pressuring up on MoS. Could go either way with him, really.
I'd like to comment that A) I'm trying to evolve my playstyle actively (I started an improvment thread) B) As a newbie my play style is always evolving C) I dislike metagaming
Okay, just thought I'd mention it.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Theo...How am i fishing by asking what you meant by this:
Emphasis mine.Theo wrote:I dunno whetherthat's a town-tellor just a basic slip.
You say its a town tell!
Oman wrote:No I mean, you call it a towntell...why?Theo wrote:I don't need to reveal why. Quit fishing.
BEGONEUnvote Vote TheoMoS is still heavily on my list but that conversation was just screwed!It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Reread page 9-14
Tyhess:Gets bit uppity about the edit thing.
Vollkan:Defends trojan a bit, but in true vollkan style. Seems to be on the right side of everyone. Either agreeing or being agreed with. Works hard on either side of the MoS/Oman debate. Makes a comment about "If MoS is scum this has validity" (or somewhat) but I don't see how this is even logical. If we knew mos was scum we needent worry. I also don't like the way MoS's not reading the game was "rational"
MoS:I still don't like that post about Flameaxe and theo, for the same reasons that he ignores a lot of game content when he posts them. He ignores a question from me in 211 about blackstrike. MoS either doesn't read or is constantly twisting people's words (see: 228)ZOMG NOTE:
SINGULAR! Theo and MoS a team? Or Flameaxe and Mos? (I'm not sure to who he refers). MoS wants me to metagame him (?)MoS wrote:You don't have to be sure of ouralignment
244 Mos likes to WIFOM himself in 3rd person. 248 MoS proves he doesn't read the game by saying I called him scum.
CKD:Absolutley owns MoS in 214
Pwayne:Posts without comment on the action Then gets into it and calls MoS on a few things. Now I find this interesting as it would have been almost easier to go after me had Pwayne been scum. He could have got vollkan on side, and with him, the town. Pwayne scores high townie brownies for it.
Blackstrike:Is he still here? I thought he posted a "will post content" and then bailed. But it turns out he came back...just ...not to post content.
WhiteI dislike white's analysises. Basically you're either newb, scum, or neutral.
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I'm starting on page 15 btw (activity!) FirstlyUnvoteA lot has gone on. I don't know where we're up to. This might go back on at the end of this post.
Tyhess is talking about theo being protown now? didn't he top the suspicion list and earn a vote?
Well, I just wanted clarification. It was fishing, but not for anything sinister. I was fishing for information, but not role or anything else like that, so I don't see how that is a bad thing.Theo wrote:Oman was actively pressing me for something which I felt was a town-tell, fishing for information.
SorryTheo wrote:Oman's starting to bug me aswell but that's probably just OMGUS.
So...wait what...you meant mafia? Okay so you meant one person OTHER THAN THEMSELVES. Which makes more sense for mafia than cult....hmm.Tyhess wrote:I think that explains how you misinterpretted my English mistake as saying that the cultist thinks there was only one other person, compared to what I meant to say was that the mafia knew their was only 1 person they didn't know (the cultist).
I don't like Tyhess' idea about focusing on people for 4 days or whatever. Deadlines come man.
3White wrote:I'm not sure if you remember this or not but there are only 2 catagories of people in this game.
Town, Mafia (I called them scum), and cult. Mafia and cult do not know eachother or interact, therefor should be seperate.White wrote:Town and not town.
Trojan suggests lynching a lurker. Normally I'd slam for this, but it was in passing and its been hit by a few people already.
CKD was just plain bitchy to white. If you're going to slam someone for contribution, at least do some yourself. CKD's explaination to this is unsatisfactory for me(?) BTW: 2-3 pages is a long time.
Theo is being unhelpful (yes, you are) and simply a jerk. I don't see that as scummy anymore. I think he might just be a jerky town. it makes more sense for scum to be more "helpful".
Leading me to think you are town. Plus, as I've seen you behave in scumtube (I know I said I hated metagaming) you are pretty....nuts and unstable. Yet, I assume you know what you're doing (??) You have been pretty strange, but I don't think strange = scummy anymore.MoS wrote:Even people that were agreeing with me a lot put me at like #3 on their scumlist
I don't like white saying he'd be happy with a MoS lynch even if he was protown because he's a "deadweight" but is "unsettled" on the acfan wagon (who is even more a deadweight).
I can believe this, but damn it had better be good.MoS wrote:You consider me deadweight because you aren't stopping to consider whether or not I'm actually trying to accomplish something with what I'm doing, instead just jumping ahead to the easy solutions.
This isn't a newbie is it?white wrote:Dude...that's really....not IC-ish...
Tyhess are you now objecting to a MoS lynch?
FTR, I can't pick a lynch atm. Theo is crazy, as is MoS, but I'm willing to bet that MoS has a plan and Theo will come good. I'm gonna put a vote on the player I think has been the most sketch so far without reason.tyhess wrote:what happens if we got an all out lynch on you (7 people)....then that would mean at the minimum 4 protown players......it wouldn't give us any extra info......
Vote TyhessMAJORFOS: FlameaxeI am against voting for lurkers when the only thing they've done in ages is lurk.
Tyhess has changed his stance on MoS a fair bit without seeming to, his posts are contradictory and sometimes even within themselves. I disagree right now with the other 3 major wagons.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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I don't know exactly where I stand on this MoS issue. His posts seem to be in parallel to this idea that he's saying. He's been scummy, but this is what makes me think he's town: He hasn't pushed a wagon, hasn't built a case, and hasn't taken anyone remotly near a lynch. In fact, he's put down his random vote, defended and hasn't voted since. Why is that MoS?
I agree he's not activly scumhunting much, but he is helping to defend who he thinks are townies, and I just can't see scum sitting there while all this happens and not even placing a vote or pushing a wagon.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Vote MoSI'm going with Trojan Horse here, that last vote was obviously a joke about theo thinking I'm scum or something and then saying "but thats probably just OMGUS".
I don't know MoS, can we stop this game and get back to the scumhunting.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Oman NK Immune Miller Vig
- NK Immune Miller Vig
- NK Immune Miller Vig
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