Oman[2](Mastermind of Sin, Tarhalindur)
Flameaxe[2](pwayne66, vollkan)
Tarhalindur[2](Oman, tyhess)
Not Voting[3](Trojan Horse, Flameaxe, theopor_COD)
easily convinced huh?Tyhess wrote:What he said seemed pro scum, but others have convinced me they were suppose to be pro town
Tyhess wrote:And Oman. Everthing That I beleive about Theo was summed up by Vollkwagon.
* Thoughts on that - Calls AC possibly cultist, White - has to be pro-town, CKD - Nothing scummy. There's no real hardcore suspicions, it's very much a list done not to antagonise - gives MoS the benefit of the doubt, going to wait out on Oman, Pwayne and Volk are pro-town, Trojan and Flame are both interesting and he's possibly likely to change his vote from me, either way it all strikes me as wishy-washy and an analysis posted more not to upset than find scum.Tyhess wrote:My Scumdar (in case anyone cares)
Some are pretty short, but whatever.....this is what I think:
Mastermind of Sin: He was the one that had a random vote on Page 4, which I thought was a littles scummish, but that has been explained as just not being there. I
still don't like the vote, but I will give him the benefit of doubt (For now)
Oman: No read yet. I know it's late in the game, but I'm still going to wait him out.
ac1983fan: No read (obviously).....needs to post......possibly the cultist and just reading posts???? probably not, but possible
Dr. Blackstrike: I've been keeping my eye on the Doc since his original idea. Someone thought that his quick apology for the idea was good for him, but I think it
made it even more suspicious.
curiouskarmadog: Nothing scummish imo yet.
pwayne66: Pro-town, imo
vollkan: Pro-town, imo
Trojan Horse: Interseting player. At times I have thought scum, but don't really have a real read on him yet.
Flameaxe: Same as Trojan Horse
White (r. Rump-Wat): Is posting A LOT. He says aggressive, and I'm starting to actually beelive him. He is doing the exact same thing in the other game I'm in with
him. So either he's scum in both games, or that is his play style. For now I'll beleive him.....I think that as much talknig as he's doing has to be pro-town.
theopor_COD: Still my vote. Possibility to change quickly.
Tyhess wrote:I thought it was clear that if anything happened suspicious to MoS, Oman, Doc, Trojan Horse, Flameaxe, or White I wouldn't hesitate to jump on them for it.
* Must go back and read what random crap I was spouting for him to comment in post 28. Interesting that he now thinks I might be pro-townTyhess wrote:but that is why I see him as a potential cultist, and more so than scum.
* Moves vote onto MoS.Tyhess wrote:Trojan, I don't think that it would be to smart to vote for ac.....for all intense and purposes we have no info on him, so even if we do kill him, we have nothing to help us go by in the next round.......Plus, if we just kill the lurker, and he's not scum, then its down to 10 people, with 2 scum, 1 cultist, and possibly a cult recruit. Not good for the town. I think that it would be smarter to go with someone that we atleast have a little but of info against to vote for.
* I kind of like his posts 44-46.Tyhess wrote:MoS never said anything different than what he's been daying, except that if he was at lynch -1 (which he wasn't)
that someone should have told him to claim (whch they shouldn't have based on the cult).
Tyhess wrote:As soon as Tar stated that in his other game he was town when he acted like that, I was 95% sure he was scum. However, I don't think that lynching him at this point
will help us out Day 2. If we lynch someone day 1 that has actually talked, then day 2 we could lynch tar and try to get more info by attacking people based on what
happened day 1, and then lynch one of those said people day 3, giving us an extra day to find the most likely candidate to be scum. If we lynch tar now, even if he is
scum, we gain next to nothing to help us tommorow. Either way we lynch tar, but lynching him tommorow would help us in the long run in my opinion.
Tyhess wrote:This is just added to the long list of things I haven't liked about Tar:
1) self vote (twice)
2) saying he used that tactic in another game and he was town in that game so he's obviously town in this one.
3) claiming vanilla without being asked to do so.
4) Using the same strategy as MoS, probably just because MoS talked himself out of being voted for.
My vote stands.
Flameaxe wrote:Anyway, since to oppressor wants more of these, I shall give him more! Reverse player list order, cause I'm just that awesome.
Theo: Didn't see the game was going for the first few pages, wasn't a fan of Dr. BS' early posting, others didn't like his stance too much.
A similar post from him would be helpful, but it doesn't seem all too necessary, as everyone's is basically pretty similar.
White (STOP OPPRESSING ME!): Very (keyword: very) pushy these last few pages. Seems very agressive, almost demanding things from people. (See: Scumdars) Does seem all pro-town and such, but it really isn't anything to make a definite conclusion of it.
Myself: Got tied up, then was busy with homecoming shit. He is here now, you no longer need to leave a message after the beep.
TrojH: Not a terribly amazing amount of posting from him quite yet (after re-reading, I can see the reasoning behind this. Good luck getting your PH.D.) Reading the posts he has made, they all seem reasonable and backed up. Not very high (or low) on my scum-o-meter.
Tyhess: If sliding in to the latest wagon with little support behind it was a drug, Tyhess might be the crackhead of the group. Following me earlier on the DBSwagon™ basically using my reasoning behind it and saying that he seemed "odd", making himself seem "odd" in the process. Agrees with many people about X topic. (see page 7, alot of posts with "I agree" as the opener.) Overreacts to the editing the topic shenanigans.
One of the higher players on my scum-o-matic 3000.
Pwayne: One of the more pro-town looking players. Very defensive though, seemed like he was against pressure voting and bullying. (both of which I was using earlier on against DBS) Low on my scumlist as of now.
CKD: I don't have a huge read on him yet. After a re-read, most of his posts just really seem like responses to other posters, and they don't really seem to lead me to any conclusion.
Dr. Blackstrike: Honestly, I'm still not a fan of his early play. The discussion on it may be over, but I'm still have some doubt in the "honest mistake" conclusion. Lurked once most pressure went away, -admitted- to that lurking and explained it as playstyle and "not knowing what to say". Would REALLY like some more analysis about the other players from you, seeing as we really don't have any at the current time. We can't even use your vote to judge your opinion really, as it hasn't changed since you basically OMGUS'd me very early on. (pages 2-4ish) Still have my eye on him.
Vollkan: Seems to be one of the leaders of most conversation, and I'll agree with White that most people don't really oppose his thoughts very much. Hasn't exactly been under a shitload of pressure, so there really isn't any way (for me) to determine scummyness.
Acfan: Do I really need to say anything? No. I need to write a song about lurkers to post in games with them, for sure.
Omanscum <3: Oi, my first game was with Mr. Oman, and his play here doesn't really fit with that of N417. This may mean something, it may not. As for now, I'm leaning towards not, at least until I see some posts now that I are back up to speed in the game. Definitely seems to be pushing discussion, very agreeing. Pressuring up on MoS. Could go either way with him, really.
MastermindOfSin: Somewhat defends me early on, gets pressure from Oman about it. For the most part, all I really see from him is him defending himself from attacks from others. Isn't really helping town ALL that much, but definitely is helping in some form. A simple player-thought post would be cool with me.
My conclusion:
I don't like the way tyhess has been playing so far. Yes, he may be a newb, but that alone doesn't justify the constant bandwagon jumping-on-ing. He has been asked to go back and try to justify these, and even post some thoughts about more of the game (potential scumz!) and I believe he has come up short with both. His latest post (to me) is yet another prime example of this. Therefore, Vote: Tyhess.
Flameaxe wrote:Yes, and I went after the two people I believe to be scum. What's the matter White? Don't like a little pressure on yourself for once?
Thoughts on that - first time Trojan's been mentioned in Flame's posts - possible scum pair.Flameaxe wrote:Tyhess, Troj, White, Kageng, CKD, MoS, Pwayne, Ouman, Tar, Vollkan. In order.
Tyhess: Constant bandwagon hopping and MoS attacking; not a whole lot of posting either.
Troj: Doesn't have his own opinion on people; easily pressured into voting (and unvoting) recently.
White: See my post a few pages ago (27).
Kageng: Replaced AC (lurked in plain sight early on, vanished later on), still waiting for the rest of that analysis...before the deadline would be just peachy.
CKD: Under the radar most of today, in my opinion. Hasn't really come under any pressure yet.
MoS: His "trap" did make him look scummy, but I'm finding myself believing that "it's a trap!" (Admiral Ackbar!)
Pwayne: Seemed fairly townie early on, not sure what to make of his recent absence.
Ouman: Overall seems fairly townie to me.
Tar: Haven't heard anything from him yet, lynching him before we do would be just plain dumb.
Vollkan: Same deal as Ouman.
I ran things through Gemelli's mafia parser and I see your point. Taking the relevant quotes/quote extracts:MoS wrote: I'm starting to wonder at a Flameaxe-Trojan scumpair. Just look at Trojan's posts selectively and search for "flame". Go down the list: the few times he mentions Flameaxe, I'm sure you'll see a pattern.
Trojan in 89 wrote: I don't know about this bandwagon on Flameaxe; to me, he hasn't acted any scummier than anyone else. Then again, I don't know who else to go after.
Trojan in 131 wrote: Gonna take a good look at flameaxe's posts next. If I agree with the bandwagon, I'll jump on; otherwise, I'll be back to square one.
Trojan in 188 wrote: As for Flameaxe, I still don't think there was much of a case against him either (don't repeat the arguments, vollkan; I read them already).
Trojan in 302 wrote: Flameaxe: Was subject to an early bandwagon. I didn't quite buy the reasons for it at the time, and I still don't. Oy vey... I'm starting to realize that I've put most people into the "possibly scummy, but no hard evidence, I dunno" category, including Flameaxe. I gotta kick this scumdar again.
Trojan in 557 wrote: Flameaxe: Not posting since Monday, despite early contributions.
Trojan in 593 wrote: I am glad Flameaxe is back, and that he had a legitimate reason for his absence.
Trojan in 713 wrote: I'll take a look at the Flameaxe/White thing now
Trojan in 721 wrote: Okay, looked over Flameaxe/White. You know what? I'm sure the scum were sitting back and laughing there for a minute, glad that the heat was off them for a while. This whole thing started off with Flameaxe saying that his schedule had gotten in the way of a deep analysis; something I can certainly sympathize with, given what I have on my plate right now. It looks like White just saw an opportunity to apply a little pressure to Flameaxe and look for scumtells. And then Flameaxe responded in kind. Natural mafia play. Null tells from both.
Trojan in 1047 wrote: The current bandwagon is Flameaxe now? Never saw anything all that scummy from him. Like Tar, I better look over Flameaxe's posts. (Again, there's a good chance I'll join in simply because lynch is better than no lynch.)
Trojan in 1060 wrote: Another newbish comment from tyhess. More grounds for lynching? Perhaps. I'd certainly prefer to lynch tyhess than Flameaxe.
Unvote, Vote tyhess
Note: I'm prepared to switch to Flameaxe at the last minute, if that's what it takes to avoid a no lynch. Better to lynch someone of average scumminess than to lynch no one.
Trojan in 1141 wrote: I said at the end of day 1 that I didn't understand the Flameaxe bandwagon; I considered Kakeng and tyhess to both be better targets. Well, I finally have a reason to be suspicious of Flameaxe; one that didn't arise until the end of the day, too late for me to respond to it. We were all scrambling to find someone to lynch (way better to take a shot then to no lynch), but Flameaxe seemed content to just sit back and let us fight. Maybe he didn't care if we ended up with a no lynch?
So now my eye is on MoS for holding back a bit at the start of day 1, and on Flameaxe for holding back at the end of day 1. And that's about all I've got.
Trojan in 1145 wrote: Didn't phrase that so well, I guess. I'm just saying a protown player should be more concerned about what happens in those final hours than Flameaxe appeared to be. He could've been confident that the town was going to do the wrong thing anyway (either through a mislynch or a no lynch), so why rock the boat.
Then again, Flameaxe was one of the bandwagons at the end, wasn't he? So he should've had some concern if he WAS scum. Man, now I'm talking myself out of my reasoning.
Flameaxe wrote:
I went to bed the night before we went to night, planning on posting the next morning, but woke to a self hammer by Kakeng. Quite simple bodily processes.
Heh. Fair enough.
Trojan 1153 wrote: Probably just noticed a few of us saying things against Flameaxe, and decided to go with the crowd.
The emerging "pattern" of support is fairly apparent. I'm not a big fan of linking scumpairs until the alignment of one is known, but this definitely is something that is worth looking into. Both flame and trojan were also high on my list yesterday (Trojan = 70% and Flame = 75%)Trojan 1182 wrote: Of the three current bandwagons, my preference would be for a Flameaxe vote, due to his unhelpfulness at the end of day 1. But since jumping on any of these bandwagons would bring that person's vote count to 3 (oh no! 3rd on the bandwagon! must be scum! lynch lynch!), I'll content myself with a FoS: Flameaxe for now.
Also I get an early vibe of following, CKD prods MoS, Trojan then postsTrojan wrote:To weigh in on what has been discussed; obviously, our top priority is lynching either culties or mafia.
Trojan wrote:Hmm... lemme go see if MoS is posting elsewhere.
Trojan wrote:Okay, MoS posted a bunch of times (in other games) yesterday evening. So he's definitely around.
* Excuse for not finding scum, plus early defence of Flame.Trojan wrote:I had a thought: how on earth are we going to handle claims at the start of the game? Once we've reached a consensus on who is scummy, should we demand a claim from that person? If we do, and that person says "townie", we're in a bit of a pickle. It may well be best to lynch them; they may be lying, and even if they're not, it'll deny the cult a possible recruit.
* Moves his eye onto Tyhess, for acting weird. Seems afraid to attack him mind, infact I can't make any sense of the below aside from thinking it's scummy.Trojan wrote:I am now realizing what I always realize when I play in the scumchat room; my scumdar is broken. I don't know about this bandwagon on Flameaxe; to me, he hasn't acted any scummier than anyone else. Then again, I don't know who else to go after.
* Next post votes Tyhess, almost seems joking. Wants to see how he reacts.Trojan wrote:My eye right now is on tyhess. I agree with pwayne, he has been acting "weird". Thing is, he just joined the forums, and he's been acting like the typical newbie so far. So is he just a newbie town, or a newbie scum? RRR... if he'd been here for a few weeks already, I'd probably be voting for him now. Not sure I can attack him for newbness though.
It is very wishy-washy, no real major suspicions, no real concerns. It's actually pathetic.Trojan wrote:Mastermind of Sin: So far, seems to have been playing exactly as per form, except for the fact that he didn't jump in until some time had passed. Unusual for a veteran like him, but perhaps he just forgot about this game.
Oman: Okay, I finally took a closer look at the "duel" between MoS and Oman a few pages back. So, Oman was suspicious of flameaxe and theo, while MoS was not so
suspicious of them, and that set Oman off. Or something like that. (I'm a bit more confused about it now than I was before I read it.) That "duel" didn't make either
of them seem more or less scummy to me.
ac1983fan: Hard to pick up on scumtells when there are so few posts to analyze. Perhaps a "come on now, talk" vote is in order. I'll think about it.
vollkan: Seems to be the most reasonable player so far. I really hope he's not scum.
Dr. Blackstrike: Dare I say it, his game has been the most similar to mine so far, outside of that faulty strategy comment at the start. An occasional post to say
that he hasn't picked up on much yet, but that he's still looking. Guess I'd be the uber-hypocrite if I attacked him for that.
curiouskarmadog: Middle of the road. Haven't picked up on anything unusual yet.
pwayne66: Was one of those that helped disarm the early bandwagon on Dr. Blackstrike, and rightfully so. Then again, if the Doctor does turn up scum, this will be a
mark on pwayne. Just something to file in the memory banks for later.
If I was really cruel, I'd pull out an LAL vote for pwayne, since he said he wouldn't post all weekend, then proceeded to post.
tyhess: Still the newb, and still my vote, though I give him a slightly lower scumdar rating now than I did before. I'm open to alternatives.
Flameaxe: Was subject to an early bandwagon. I didn't quite buy the reasons for it at the time, and I still don't. Oy vey... I'm starting to realize that I've put
most people into the "possibly scummy, but no hard evidence, I dunno" category, including Flameaxe. I gotta kick this scumdar again.
White (r. Rump-Wat): Man. He's posting way differently as White than he did as Rump-Wat. Maybe he got recruited during the day?
Seriously though, White has a much better scumdar than I do if MoS turns out to be scum. I really don't want to jump on that bandwagon, considering MoS seems to be
playing as usual. But I can't fault White for applying a little pressure.
(By the way, White, I'm only a newb when in comes to forum games. I've been "making my lettuce" in chatroom games.)
theopor_COD: An early lurker, but a solid contributer since.
So, who's at the top of my list? Tyhess, barely. I guess acfan would be up there as well, simply because he's said so little... but if he starts talking, he'll
probably move down my list. And after that... RRR. I don't know! I've gotta find some other candidate. I'll keep looking things over.
Trojan wrote:I eagerly await theo's next post, as he completes his breakdown of all the players. Hope he doesn't think I'm too scummy.
Do I believe that? Or was it a sly attempt by scum to board a wagon nearing the lynch number.Trojan wrote:Finally, what's this about -1? I never saw more than 5 votes on MoS at any one time. Did I miscount?
Trojan wrote:Incidentally; this game seems to have temporarily devolved into MoS versus pwayne and White, with everyone else (including myself) taking a back seat. If one of those three is scum, I wouldn't mind this so much. But it's bad news if all three bad guys are just sitting back and watching the town rip itself to shreds.
Again it seems very apologetic, I don't even know why he posted it. Reading the list personally I think he finds himself the scummiest wtf. There's just no aggressive scum hunting going down at all so far.Trojan wrote:Mastermind of Sin: As I said before, took a while before honing in on a suspect. A bit longer than I thought he would take.
Oman: Pushing me into making this post.
ac1983fan: Nothing beyond his total absence. I'll have to wait until he is replaced.
vollkan: Seems to have more interest in the game than anyone else. Maybe he's so interested because he's scum? (Weak, I know.)
Dr. Blackstrike: There was his strategy suggestion at the start, of course. But now there's something bigger: somehow, he keeps finding time to make posts, but not to
make posts with any content to them. Doing just barely enough to avoid modkills and suspicion, perhaps?
curiouskarmadog: Can't find anything yet.
pwayne66: Defused the early bandwagon on Dr. Blackstrike. Could be townie behavior; could be he just didn't think the Doc was scummy. Or it could be he was defending
a scummate.
tyhess: The bandwagon hopping is the most suspicious thing.
Flameaxe: Not posting since Monday, despite early contributions.
White: Being willing to replace into a silly game like this. Seriously though, nothing looks fishy at all.
theopor_COD: The unwarranted attack on pwayne early on, back when pwayne was defusing the early bandwagon on Dr. Blackstrike. Does that contradict what I said about
pwayne? I guess it does.
And finally, can't let myself off the hook:
Trojan Horse: Being swayed easily by other people's arguments. Are they really changing my mind, or am I scum trying to avoid suspicion?
* Responds to one of my posts. It's probably worth quoting the exchange.Trojan wrote:Perhaps I should have said "An attempt at more meaningful thoughts" to come tonight. Cause I looked over the posts since I made my last major post, looking for more things to go on... and I didn't find much.
Theo wrote:Trojan Horse is another guy who's slowly pricking my senses, reading his posts a lot of them seem to be fence sitting, he'll vote someone and then unvote. No real hardcore feelings almost as if he's in the know and is happy to play along with whatever's going down.
Frankly after however many pages we're at, this isn't good enough, a townie should have some freaking suspicions even if they're wrong.Trojan wrote:This comment is okay. The reason why you haven't seen any hardcore feelings from me yet is because... well... I sadly don't have any yet. You can take a good look at my posts where I listed my thoughts on each player; if it looks like I'm grasping at straws, it's because I am.
Asks for someone to vote for!!Trojan wrote:I'll have to vote for MoS or tyhess based on weak evidence. Give me something better to go on, if you have
it.
Trojan wrote:Oh, and theo... lemme go see what acfan said before he got replaced. I'll go see what you're talking about.
Trojan wrote:Okay. I'll raise acfan/Kakeng's scummy level a notch. But just a notch.
Trojan wrote:Alright then MoS, I'll commit. Not happy about it, but I'll commit.
Vote tyhess
Never was happy with all of his bandwagon hopping at the start of the game. Could just be newbishness, but it could also be an opportunistic scum, hiding behind the
fact that he's a newb.
Sure hope I got it right.
he then unvotes Tyhess.Trojan wrote:I'm getting a bit tired of having to waffle because I don't feel too strongly about anyone as of yet.
Trojan wrote:Yeah, forgot about acfan/Kakeng there. It was an awfully small notch. Put him on at the same level as White: I expect that I'll be satisfied with Kakeng's behavior, and that will be that.
Trojan wrote:You just had to give me another thing to think about, CKD. Tar definitely hasn't been a very helpful replacement yet. (Hmm. Perhaps Kakeng deserves a look for the same reason.) Do we want to do a lurker-lynch? I'm tempted.
Trojan wrote:The current bandwagon is Flameaxe now? Never saw anything all that scummy from him. Like Tar, I better look over Flameaxe's posts. (Again, there's a good chance I'll join in simply because lynch is better than no lynch.)
Trojan wrote:Another newbish comment from tyhess. More grounds for lynching? Perhaps. I'd certainly prefer to lynch tyhess than Flameaxe.
Unvote, Vote tyhess
Note: I'm prepared to switch to Flameaxe at the last minute, if that's what it takes to avoid a no lynch. Better to lynch someone of average scumminess than to lynch
no one.
Trojan wrote:In other news, I perused Oman's earlier posts, looking for anything that might set my scumdar off. And I barely got a "bloop" on the scumdar. Of the three current bandwagons, my preference would be for a Flameaxe vote, due to his unhelpfulness at the end of day 1. But since jumping on any of these bandwagons would bring that person's vote count to 3 (oh no! 3rd on the bandwagon! must be scum! lynch lynch!), I'll content myself with a FoS: Flameaxe for now.
TrojH wrote:Finally; at some point, we should pitch in and do one of these breakdowns for theo. Not that I think he's scum; I just think turnabout is fair play.
Two points:Trojan wrote: So many things to respond to. It'll take time.I guess I'll just do the same thing Flameaxe did and say
"Town being useless"
I really have a problem with people voting solely off other people's arguments; it always reeks of opportunism to me.Oman wrote: Uh! Unvote Vote Trojan Horse Not only were the two arguments very persuasive, but also this line:That is a useless line and everytime I've seen it its scum trying to deflect.Trojan wrote: Finally; at some point, we should pitch in and do one of these breakdowns for theo. Not that I think he's scum; I just think turnabout is fair play.
I'm sure it was a parody.Vollkan wrote:1) After my previous post (the Flame-Trojan links), I was somewhat surprised to see Trojan at it again.
You may think that, but your arguments persuaded me mightly. Its the strongest two-player link all game.Vollkan wrote:I really have a problem with people voting solely off other people's arguments; it always reeks of opportunism to me.
Mastermind of Sin wrote:Oman needs to die.