Mini 500 - Cult Mafia - Game Over!

[theopor_COD]

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Official Vote Count #48

Oman[2](Mastermind of Sin, Tarhalindur)
Flameaxe[2](pwayne66, vollkan)
Trojan Horse[2](theopor_COD, Oman)
Tarhalindur[1](tyhess)


Not Voting[2](Trojan Horse, Flameaxe)

Two main things I want to see asap.

Flameaxe respond to Pwayne's questions in 1213.

Trojan to post some sort of argument in his defence.

I'll look at Oman, MoS, Pwayne, Volkan, Tar hopefully tonight/tomorrow, it may that I won't be able to due to a hectic night of meetings at work but I'm going to get them done at some stage.

[Flameaxe]

Wow. Give me a bit to digest.

A few questions for Flameaxe while I do.

1) Do you think that the town has legitmate concerns about your contributions?

-Yes

2) If so, why the lack of content?

-Dunno really, started as a simple 'I dun have time' unintentional lurking, I just really haven't been able to get back into this game quite as easily as others.

3) If not, do you care to explain why?

-N/A

Teh boldz are mine, yo.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Oman needs to die.

Why??? You're kind of starting to piss me off-you keep acting like your so much better than all of us at this game. I think that we should look into theo as well, but maybe that really has happened in a game before and that's why he's saying that. And I also hate posts that give us no information (ie:Oman needs to die)

Uh!

Unvote Vote Trojan Horse

Not only were the two arguments very persuasive, but also this line:

Finally; at some point, we should pitch in and do one of these breakdowns for theo. Not that I think he's scum; I just think turnabout is fair play.

That is a useless line and everytime I've seen it its scum trying to deflect.

Uh huh...

[vollkan]

Oman needs to die.

Why??? You're kind of starting to piss me off-you keep acting like your so much better than all of us at this game. I think that we should look into theo as well, but maybe that really has happened in a game before and that's why he's saying that. And I also hate posts that give us no information (ie:Oman needs to die)

Uh!

Unvote Vote Trojan Horse

Not only were the two arguments very persuasive, but also this line:

Finally; at some point, we should pitch in and do one of these breakdowns for theo. Not that I think he's scum; I just think turnabout is fair play.

That is a useless line and everytime I've seen it its scum trying to deflect.

Uh huh...

I must be missing something here, but what is the connection between the two quotes you just posted and said "uh huh" about?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Hmm, for some reason I thought Oman posted both of those. My bad.

[tyhess]

but you still haven't answered anything from my quote........

[Flameaxe]

I personally read it as if it was a rhetorical question...

Plus, Oman always needs to die, regardless. Oi.

[theopor_COD]

Guys I have a few issues accessing the site, hence posting will be sporadic. Sorry.

My re-reads will continue as I've copied everyone into notepad, may take longer than I anticipated mind. Still waiting for Trojan. Flameaxe quit being useless yeah? Who do you think is scum?

[Oman]

Plus, Oman always needs to die, regardless. Oi.

This is the only logical deaththreat I've seen so far.

[Flameaxe]

RAMEN, BITCH!

[Trojan Horse]

Alright, here we go...

Also I get an early vibe of following, CKD prods MoS, Trojan then posts

Hmm... lemme go see if MoS is posting elsewhere.

Okay, MoS posted a bunch of times (in other games) yesterday evening. So he's definitely around.

Those posts I made were on page 3. Had it been someone besides MoS, I probably wouldn't have cared so much about not having posted yet (the game had just started the day before). But this is MoS we're talking about. I was expecting him to start posting just hours after the game started.

* Removes vote from Blackstrike. Note to self to see if there's any inconsistency in his thoughts on claims

I had a thought: how on earth are we going to handle claims at the start of the game? Once we've reached a consensus on who is scummy, should we demand a claim from that person? If we do, and that person says "townie", we're in a bit of a pickle. It may well be best to lynch them; they may be lying, and even if they're not, it'll deny the cult a possible recruit.

I admit, I thought at first that if we left a claimed vanilla townie alive, he'd be sure to be recruited the following night. The whole WIFOM aspect of that didn't come to mind until Tar claimed vanilla at the end of the day.

* Excuse for not finding scum, plus early defence of Flame.

So I don't have to keep repeating myself, I'll make one thing clear now: I did not think Flame was any more or less scummy than the average player until the VERY end of day 1 (when he seemed not to care so much). I mean the very very end, after I made this post:

Another newbish comment from tyhess. More grounds for lynching? Perhaps. I'd certainly prefer to lynch tyhess than Flameaxe.

Unvote, Vote tyhess

Note: I'm prepared to switch to Flameaxe at the last minute, if that's what it takes to avoid a no lynch. Better to lynch someone of average scumminess than to lynch no one.

Still no reason to go after Flameaxe. But then he made this post, which set me off:

The above post is the truth. I do have tomorrow off as of now though.

Let's see....
6 posts in other threads today.
14 posts in other threads Thursday
17 posts in other threads Wednesday.

Why am I unconvinced?

A) I'm enjoying bothering you about it.
B) How many of those posts were over 3 sentences?

Time ticking away, deadline nearing, and no real action from Flameaxe's part. Though by then, it was too late to act on my new suspicions.

* Posts his scumdar, I'm going to quote all of these because I think they will probably be important

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* I call him out on his nice-nicey analysis, responds he will look harder, yeh scum usually ought to try a bit harder.

As MoS said a while back, there's a case that could be made against any of us being scum. I've been looking for things that set one or two of us apart from the rest, and I haven't had much luck. And given that, is it any wonder that my analysis sounded "nice-nicey"?

* Post 16, expresses suspicion of MoS says he did some research and MoS goes higher in his suspicions, there's actually no reason in the post why though. Seems more a playstyle issue. Comments that MoS is playing conservatively.

Indeed. More conservatively than I'd expect of him. But Flameaxe has suddenly become even more conservative than MoS was at the very start. My eye is not on MoS now.

I eagerly await theo's next post, as he completes his breakdown of all the players. Hope he doesn't think I'm too scummy.

Alright, you've made your point. I'll stop joking around.

More to come shortly.

[Trojan Horse]

Continuing...

* Seems a little bit concerned aswell following the MoS vote

Finally, what's this about -1? I never saw more than 5 votes on MoS at any one time. Did I miscount?

Do I believe that? Or was it a sly attempt by scum to board a wagon nearing the lynch number.

My vote was #4. Oman's was #5. (I just doublechecked now, to make sure.) The bandwagon on MoS was already vanishing when I made this comment. Just wanted to make sure no one was attacked for putting MoS at -1.

* How would all three know each other was scum? There's only two players who know anyone else to be scum.

Incidentally; this game seems to have temporarily devolved into MoS versus pwayne and White, with everyone else (including myself) taking a back seat. If one of those three is scum, I wouldn't mind this so much. But it's bad news if all three bad guys are just sitting back and watching the town rip itself to shreds.

Where did I say they all knew each other? Even though the cult leader didn't know the mafia, and vice versa, all three could still have been laying low at that point.

* Another little scumdar list

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And finally, can't let myself off the hook:

Trojan Horse: Being swayed easily by other people's arguments. Are they really changing my mind, or am I scum trying to avoid suspicion?

Again it seems very apologetic, I don't even know why he posted it. Reading the list personally I think he finds himself the scummiest wtf. There's just no aggressive scum hunting going down at all so far.

Apologetic, sure. But my main purpose was to be comprehensive; I wanted to give the group something to go on for everyone, including myself. (Same reason why I recently suggested we pitch in and make a list for theo.)

* Still has nothing worth noting, spells it out even, looks to possibly push something towards CKD.

And it looks like my slight hunch on that turned out to be right. Maybe I shouldn't be doubting my scumdar so much.

And lo and behold changes his opinion slightly on ac, complete turnaround from post 30

Oh, and theo... lemme go see what acfan said before he got replaced. I'll go see what you're talking about.

Interesting that I post the case against AC, he raises his suspicion a notch

Okay. I'll raise acfan/Kakeng's scummy level a notch. But just a notch.

* Comments that he won't be worried about AC's dissapearance if Kakeng performs.

And is it a bad thing to change my opinion based on someone else's argument? As for the last comment there: it's always tough dealing with lurkers, since you don't know if RL just got in the way, or if the person is scum and is trying to stay below the radar (or is trying to avoid confrontation). If Kakeng actually contributed, I'd have to assume RL got in acfan's way, and that would be that. But Kakeng was as bad as acfan, so I had to think...

Alright then MoS, I'll commit. Not happy about it, but I'll commit.

Vote tyhess

Never was happy with all of his bandwagon hopping at the start of the game. Could just be newbishness, but it could also be an opportunistic scum, hiding behind the fact that he's a newb.

Sure hope I got it right.

I was tired of being wishy-washy, and I was tired of having so little to go on. After MoS pushed me on, I decided to just go for it. It was a moment of frustration for me.

* Defends Flame in 37.

I referred to a argument between Flame and White as a null tell for both of them. How is that defending Flame?

* Joking is a scumtell you know.

So I've heard.

* Calls Tar out for his lurking.
* Willing to vote for him if he doesn't appear.

Okay, that's the last thing I'm going to quote concerning lurkers. Why is it so wrong to consider lynching a lurker? The last thing we want is to give the scum a chance to win the game by just saying nothing. We need to get the scum talking (by getting everyone talking), so we can try to catch scum.

* Comments that we have no choice but to lynch Tar in 68. Votes Kakeng.

And in between the two, someone brought up the possible WIFOMing that would happen if we let Tar live. Would Tar necessarily be recruited? Might the scum off Tar to prevent the cult from growing stronger? Things I hadn't considered. So I changed my mind.

* Slight defence of Oman, this could be distancing, an FOS is hardly freaking pressure.

In other news, I perused Oman's earlier posts, looking for anything that might set my scumdar off. And I barely got a "bloop" on the scumdar. Of the three current bandwagons, my preference would be for a Flameaxe vote, due to his unhelpfulness at the end of day 1. But since jumping on any of these bandwagons would bring that person's vote count to 3 (oh no! 3rd on the bandwagon! must be scum! lynch lynch!), I'll content myself with a FoS: Flameaxe for now.

Had there been one fewer vote on Flameaxe, I would've voted for him. Didn't want to put him at -2 before he had a chance to respond.

That should suffice for now. Obviously didn't respond to everything theo said- would've taken too long. Took long enough as it is. Anything else I need to respond to?

[theopor_COD]

You'd certainly cleared a few things up.

Unvote, Vote Flameaxe

[vollkan]

That should suffice for now. Obviously didn't respond to everything theo said- would've taken too long. Took long enough as it is. Anything else I need to respond to?

I'm largely satisfied with your responses.

Could you explain this one though:

[quote='Trojan"]
I'll have to vote for MoS or tyhess based on weak evidence. Give me something better to go on, if you have it.

Asks for someone to vote for!! [/quote]

[Trojan Horse]

Had my top two suspects. Had my reasons for voting either. What I didn't have was confidence. I was hoping that someone could point out some scummy behavior (either from those two or from someone else) that I had missed. Something that could allow me to cast a vote with greater confidence.

[Flameaxe]

You'd certainly cleared a few things up.

Unvote, Vote Flameaxe

Quick, every jump on.

[tyhess]

Flameaxe- quit messing around.....your last 2 posts=completely useless and not funny. Do you want to help the town or not?

[Flameaxe]

This isn't messing around. This is how I'm playing right now. Suck it up and deal.

[Flameaxe]

Flameaxe- quit messing around.....your last 2 posts=completely useless and not funny. Do you want to help the town or not?

This quote is useless and not funny either.

[vollkan]

Flame, seriously, do you have any constructive thoughts at all?

Let's look at your past few posts:

This quote is useless and not funny either.

This isn't messing around. This is how I'm playing right now. Suck it up and deal.

Quick, every jump on.

RAMEN, BITCH!

I personally read it as if it was a rhetorical question...

Plus, Oman always needs to die, regardless. Oi.

Wow. Give me a bit to digest.

A few questions for Flameaxe while I do.

1) Do you think that the town has legitmate concerns about your contributions? -Yes

2) If so, why the lack of content? -Dunno really, started as a simple 'I dun have time' unintentional lurking, I just really haven't been able to get back into this game quite as easily as others.

3) If not, do you care to explain why? -N/A

Teh boldz are mine, yo.

Town being useless.

etcetera.

You aren't being helpful at and, tbh, you seem rather proud about the fact that you are doing absolutely nothing.

[Flameaxe]

Wow, you even quoted the post where I answered Pwayne's fucking questions....

I am proud. The longer I procrastinate, the better I feel.

[vollkan]

I included that post because it shows clearly your own awareness that your behaviour is useless, and you can hardly call it a "constructive" contribution.

[Flameaxe]

I'll remember to not answer anything more then.

[theopor_COD]

Flameaxe you got my vote because you've yet to answer 1232. Any chance you could at least try and be useful.

Mod - any chance you could prod Tar.

Mod Edit: Done

Trojan after all that defending perhaps you could share with us thoughts on who you think is scum aswell?

[Guardian]

shameless filler post.