Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[Wisdom]

Did she know what the neighborizers do flavor-wise? Why did she say all that stuff about lovers if she didn't?

[Wisdom]

If that was the case, he'd claim that that's why he did it. Instead he completely went with it when people referred to his "day-shot". Meaning that's what he was claiming.

[Wisdom]

Or explain to me where the hell his "mala were you neighborized" comes from if not because he assumed Matt also neighborizes at day.

[Wisdom]

That's all very good but you're not telling us who the scum is.

And get an avatar.

[Wisdom]

I don't expect you to do that, but I expect to hear who you are suspecting. So far your posts have been fluff.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: ika

[Wisdom]

How? Not even the neighborizers knew about it.

[Wisdom]

There are only 13 gods so no fakeclaims?

[Wisdom]

Yeah, again, we know that the lovers thing wasn't fake. If not a QT cop, which makes perfect sense (checking for neighborhoods aka "lovers", what other role, and scum role at that, would have such information?

[Wisdom]

I see no case. Just a bunch of things you don't like, which I don't find scummy in any way.

[Wisdom]

I would say that if you have your day-shot still left today, you should use it on me now.

[Wisdom]

And that's what Mala commented on. I'm not mistaken at all.

[Wisdom]

lol and I just realized you provided the quotes yourself
wtf

[Wisdom]

So, how should I take this post exactly?

"No, you're terribly wrong Wisdom! X and Y never happened!
But I'm actually wrong, here's proof that X and Y happened"

Wanna claim scum while you're at it?

[Wisdom]

After having lost the Mala/Matt/Mollie/Mirari bit

Mala is town.
Matt gave me enough town feelings to make me not want to lynch him.
Some of Mirari's posts made me think I might be wrong about her.
Who does that leave?

I'm not lost at all.

[Wisdom]

Though I am getting frustrated by how unreasonable/stupid almost the whole playerlist acts at times, and they can't all be scum, so there's that.

[Wisdom]

what's to say she's not a scum QT Cop

And scum need a QT Cop because..?

[Wisdom]

Also, this is speculation on your part. We all kind of patted you on the back for it, but nobody is certain how true it is.

A virgin is immune to being neighborized.
The goddess of love checks for neighborhoods.
All three neighborizers are male gods.
The crippled male god is a limited neighborizer.

With all that, you doubt the flavor is like I described?

[Wisdom]

what's to say she's not a scum QT Cop

And scum need a QT Cop because..?

And town need a QT Cop because...?

Because scum have a QT and she can catch them..?

[Wisdom]

And that's what Mala commented on. I'm not mistaken at all.

No. It wasn't not at all.

?

Your "don't do it yet" wasn't for ooba's "neighborize me if you still have your shot"? I'm quite sure you had quoted it.

[Wisdom]

Whiskers that makes no sense.
It's not a scum role. That's even more ridiculous than "she is fake-claiming", and I consider the latter ridiculous enough as it is.

[Wisdom]

Yeah, that's what I said.
I think you just misunderstood what I said now.

[Wisdom]

Do you think he might not be a neighborizer at all? Though that would be risky as hell since he didn't know Mala's role at the time.

[Wisdom]

A Town QT Cop is not really any stronger or weaker than a Scum QT Cop. They're both useless.

dude wtf?
How is a town QT Cop useless? The only difference to a regular Cop is that the neighborizing would obscure the results, which is now taken care of.
A scum QT Cop is completely useless. Why would scum want to find neighborhoods? Scum want to find PRs that are actually dangerous to them.

[Wisdom]

Nacho, not sure if you're taking it into account, but Mala is delayed. She won't get a result on N1.

[Wisdom]

But so are all the neighborizers, right?

The neighborizers are not delayed. They neighborize on N1. They just start talking on N2.

[Wisdom]

Not impossible, but doubt it.

[Wisdom]

Tbh it does bug me that there are three, and that's why I have been thinking what nacho said - one of the two latter claims not being a neighborizer at all.

Whiskers, fitz, what's your flavor for neighborizing?

[Wisdom]

Umm
dafaq did I just read

[Wisdom]

using a past persons post to vote me is bad reasoning, i am not molli.

Your alignment is the same as mollie's, no?

[Wisdom]

Though I am getting frustrated by how unreasonable/stupid almost the whole playerlist acts at times, and they can't all be scum, so there's that.

you should make a hard reset.
you are biased as hell and thinking that every single person who deosn't agree with you immediately is either stupid or scum, and that's not leading to anywhere good.

seriously. try doing that.

Id rather people start making sense instead, tyvm

[Wisdom]

ika is providing tons of content guys

trollalt is trollalt

[Wisdom]

bye trollalt

[Wisdom]

mollie-slot is scum, I feel better about everyone else I suspected and worse about Desp and Whiskers. That's a hard reset on its own.

[Wisdom]

I don't know how you define a hard reset. If it means reevaluating my reads, I do it all the time, that's why I'm changing my mind a lot.

[Wisdom]

Nah, not there yet.

[Wisdom]

Or actually, yes. We are at fourth place as it is.

[Wisdom]

Whiskers, fitz, what's your flavor for neighborizing?

[Wisdom]

Whiskers, fitz, what's your flavor for neighborizing?

Oh, right.

I don't know, I haven't done it yet.

I mean, what is the flavor explanation for your ability? Look at your role pm, it's there.

[Wisdom]

Whiskers - what is your flavor?

Peppermint.

It's the second time you avoid this question, btw.

[Wisdom]

Which desperado's point?

[Wisdom]

Dude. Look at your role pm. There's some flavor explanation for why you have that ability.

[Wisdom]

Dude. Look at your role pm. There's some flavor explanation for why you have that ability.

[Wisdom]

Paraphrase it.

[Wisdom]

that's all it says?

[Wisdom]

What I asked is how it's explained that you can neighborize.

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: whiskers

[Wisdom]

Flavor, fitz. How is it explained that you can neighborize?

[Wisdom]

Ok, that will do.

Whiskers is fakeclaiming.

[Wisdom]

You said you have no flavor.

[Wisdom]

But under the "Ability" section, it says merely, that, "carpe diem, you're a neighborizer."

[Wisdom]

So anyone got any excuses for this one, or can we finally lynch scum?

[Wisdom]

Everyone's abilities are explained in flavor. They go "As the god(dess) of x, you have y ability".
Whiskers failed to provide what it says for him. Like we were saying with Nacho, his claim is a fake. That explains why he suddenly switched from "day-neighborizer" to "i neighborize at night as well, but i make daytalk" too.

[Wisdom]

My flavour doesn't explain why I can neighborize people

Then it's fake. Everyone else's does.

[Wisdom]

Especially when Apollo has a million of ways he could be neighborizing people. Be it with music, with poetry, with being an oracle, with whatever. There's no way I'll believe there was no reason given for why he's a neighborizer.

[Wisdom]

Huh?

[Wisdom]

Desp did you even read what happened? Guess not.

Who cares about the role pm format?

[Wisdom]

Does your role pm say "as the god of x, you do y" or not?

[Wisdom]

And in that explanation it's not explained why you have your ability?

[Wisdom]

That's weird when 4 people have said it does and mine also does.

[Wisdom]

But anyway, let's say yours is different because of different role. How do you explain that for the two other neighborizers it's explained how they neighborize but for him it isn't?

[Wisdom]

That's bullshit, even if someone is scum it doesn't change the fact the abilities are explained.

[Wisdom]

There are explanations in all pms. It makes no sense whiskers doesn't have one. He fakeclaimed and couldn't make one.

[Wisdom]

My flavor is incredibly minimal and therefore it's difficult to state in a way that's not breaking the rules. It's along the lines of "As someone who is a source of pragmatism (this is seriously a bad way of saying it, but the word used there is literally NO way to say without just saying the word, which would be rule breaking), you can create networks with which to discuss covertly with them"

[Wisdom]

It is paraphrasing as they are not allowed to quote the actual pm. I don't get your point. What's important is its explained why they neighborize.

[Wisdom]

The explanation for Fitz is "as the messenger god, you can contact the other gods in different ways".
Where is that explanation for Apollo? Something like "As the god of music, you can attract other gods to converse with you with your songs. Each night, blah blah."

[Wisdom]

Vague or not, it's an explanation.
Whiskers has none.

I don't understand why you're trying so hard to prove I'm wrong when I'm just right.

[Wisdom]

If you didn't count fitz's explanation as an explanation, I'm willing to believe you also have an explanation but you think it's "vague" or something. The fact is Whiskers didn't provide his, and the fact is that the other neighborizers have one.

[Wisdom]

I don't care why you did it, you're fakeclaiming and it's the most solid evidence we have.

[Wisdom]

Your point being?

[Wisdom]

Look for partners after you get a scumflip. Which you won't get from penguin.

[Wisdom]

I don't know wtf I'm reading. I'm starting doubting my read on ooba too with this bullshit.

[Wisdom]

penguin has done everything within her power not to move a vote from me, Wisdom. How does that have town intent?

She hasn't done any such thing.

[Wisdom]

@wisdom: think about your own scumgame. do you usually call both your partners town? both scum/hardbus? no. you usually split them.

Do we have a scumflip..? Why is this discussion taking place?

[Wisdom]

Why? Because he's acting as if his scumread flipped scum? How is that genuine when he doesn't know if penguin will even flip scum?

[Wisdom]

The three goddesses ooba listed ARE virgins though, and that's why I was shouting that there are likely more roles like grim's. He's probably right there.

[Wisdom]

Mirari, it's the 12 major ones plus Hades.

[Wisdom]

I think we should have the other Virgins claim, if they exist, to confirm your theory. It's sounding very accurate right now.

[Wisdom]

Scum virgin = Godfather role so there's an elegance to that design.

Wait, even if they're immune to being neighborized, don't they still have a QT by being scum?

[Wisdom]

Unless you mean that they also have the Godfather role in addition to being a virgin. Like, "you're immune to being neighborized AND you don't show up as having a QT"

[Wisdom]

Well, I was actually thinking about that yesterday. We're all assuming that scum share a QT or all of them do. I was thinking of a setup where the scum virgin godfather knows his partners, but is not part of the QT and controls the kill till he dies\is lynched. The other two scum share a QT and get kill control if the godfather is out of the game.

Now that I type it out - it sounds crazy.

It definitely sounds too crazy, especially considering this is the first setup Elyse designs.

[Wisdom]

Some things to consider if we go with this theory.

Grim claimed Virgin to give Matt's neighborizer claim more strength. I doubt this would happen if they are both scum. Agree?

The other Virgins have not claimed despite Grim encouraging them to do so if they exist (1924). Would a scum Virgin claim or not seeing a Town Virgin claiming?

[Wisdom]

I think what Mirari meant with pseudo-godfather neighborizer is that even if Matt catches them having a QT, they have the excuse of being a neighborizer (therefore it's not an actual guilty)

[Wisdom]

Mala*

[Wisdom]

wisdom, re:grim claim to protect matt: don't agree. when I'm scum I drop this kind of wifom all the time.

What I meant is
Assume Grim is the scum Virgin and Matt is the scum Neighborizer. Since he knows he is immune to neighborizing, he and scum know that town have neighborizers too. Therefore, when Matt claimed Neighborizer, Grim would know that others will also claim Neighborizer and he would have no need to pop up and claim Virgin to make Matt's claim look more likely.

But now that I thought of it like that, maybe it's not impossible.

[Wisdom]

Maybe scum virgin figured out the one scum in three rule for NEIs and VIR and decided it's better not to claim?

Good point.
Also the claim of a second virgin would further point at Mala's claim being legit, so maybe they didn't claim since there were still people doubting that.

[Wisdom]

A flavor claim would easily point them out in that case?

What do you mean?

[Wisdom]

I mean
Let's say 2 town virgins and 1 scum virgin
Grim (town virgin) claims
I say that Grim's role points to Mala's role being legit and there are possibly more roles like Grim's
Scum virgin does not claim so as not to confirm what I said, since there are people still questioning Mala's claim

[Wisdom]

Also if you are Artemis, Athena or Hestia but NOT a virgin, tell us so.

[Wisdom]

i can see other ways where it is useless, what if no QT existed in the game,

what if scums didnt have a qt

,

Btw ooba, do you think this could be related to your theory about one scum not having access to the qt?

[Wisdom]

There should be one of those in {Nacho, ika}

[Wisdom]

2/ MattP having dissapeared after having lost his town-leader position and his unquestioned universal townread.

Considering he has been on V/LA, this is bad.

[Wisdom]

Do you like ooba's theory? 1 scum in neighborizers, 1 in virgins, 1 other?

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ika

[Wisdom]

To cause more confusion?

No, to confirm the theory.

[Wisdom]

So that leaves ika.

[Wisdom]

Can we just lynch ika regardless of whether he admits he's a virgin or not?

[Wisdom]

nope

[Wisdom]

it's likely that multiple virgins would work differently as well.

That's a good point, but I don't think it meddles with the "1 virgin is scum" theory, do you think it does?

[Wisdom]

So whatvdo you offer? Proceed with gamevas if we never had any claims?

no.
Lynch ika, because he's the only one that has not claimed "Not virgin" right now, and even if he isn't a virgin, he's still scum.

[Wisdom]

Not sure how you mean this, but don't expect me to start posting less.

[Wisdom]

ika seems like a convenient lynch. I'd rather lynch MattP over him at this point.

Convenient how?
Why MattP over the other neighborizers?
And why are you still voting Mirari then?

[Wisdom]

If it is frustration towards everyone else not posting as much, then sure.
Otherwise, too bad.

[Wisdom]

He *has* posted since so im just guessing that equals no.

Did you see what he posted..?

[Wisdom]

I think we should have the other Virgins claim, if they exist, to confirm your theory. It's sounding very accurate right now.

To cause more confusion?

Are you sure that equals "no" to you?
It equals "Why the fuck should I claim" to me.

[Wisdom]

Well.. either whoever is virgin is not claiming it, or the theory is wrong.

[Wisdom]

ika or Nacho. Maybe Desp.

[Wisdom]

Why not

[Wisdom]

You don't remember correctly

[Wisdom]

Whiskers. I have been scumreading Nacho since always, and I did make a case on why he might be scum when I presented my cases on Mala/Matt/mollie.
My scumreads on Mala and Matt died, I'm still scumreading Nacho and mollie(ika).

[Wisdom]

Why Desp, then?

Read the game.

Also, what about me?

I don't know. I think you're just stupid and there's actually an explanation in your role PM but you don't see it. I don't have any other explanation.

Also, why Mollie/ika? Really I remember the vote on her (and consequent scumread) being about how she was dodging your question, then kind-of answered your question, then said "I didn't say that!"-- that whole business. Is there something else about the slot you don't like? (Because, like I said, at first you were like, "Yo, this is all to mollie's townmeta."

There's nothing I like about that slot. And regarding mollie, I had said that she is usually stupid and doesn't make sense, but this was too much even for her. You have rather selective memory.

What about, then, Penguin, who only has 59 posts, or ooba, who has been surprisingly sparse, or Mirari, who has been getting some heat recently.

penguin is town, as I have said. She is one of my weakest reads though. I have seen nothing impressive.
ooba is my strongest townread.
Mirari is town. I was the one who brought the heat on her. I was satisfied with what I got.

[Wisdom]

What above said.

[Wisdom]

Seems to me like the entire reasoning on him is 'has a chance of being a lying scum virgin'.

Nope. He also replaced mollie.

[Wisdom]

even though I didn't claim without flavour

Except you did

[Wisdom]

didn't know you had a scumread on mollie. I didn't have- should I have had? can you explain?

1409

and can you explain how comes this is not lynched yet?

I am not insisting because other than that, Whiskers has been very town. I don't know why the fuck he failed to claim properly, but I guess I was wrong to want to lynch him over it.

[Wisdom]

hasn't someone said that this IS mollie's meta? O_o;

Read the last sentence of what you quoted. I did, and I also said that this is beyond the acceptable.

[Wisdom]

the latest posting of whis is freaking horrible, dat nitpicking, ignoring and posting on irrelevant stuff.

That's how he has been posting for the entire game...

[Wisdom]

VOTE: ika

EVERYONE JOIN THE IKA WAGON PORFAVOR SI VOUS PLAIT

?

[Wisdom]

I agree that fitz sounds sheepish in some of his posts. I'm not that sure about him being town anymore.

[Wisdom]

That's what shos meant by ignoring. You acting like grim never explained that or me never suspecting nacho etc.
Of course, you're not the only one doing that and it's not scummy in any way, but I figured you wanted to know.

[Wisdom]

Point is everyone can't remember everything that has been said, and it sometimes annoys people. It's normal.

[Wisdom]

Which as I also told you, is also annoying.

[Wisdom]

the flavour explains why I Neighborizer power in the Day

-.-
Can you explain again what your flavor says?

[Wisdom]

Whiskers you're still having that tendency to criticize playstyles. What's the point of what you're doing now?

[Wisdom]

Go back and look. Does it say anything more other than the domain stuff? It doesn't make any sense that it's not said why you're a neighborizer.

[Wisdom]

Whatever

[Wisdom]

Don't care about it.

[Wisdom]

I explained what he meant by ignoring.

[Wisdom]

Till then, im still strictly against a lynch based on setup spec with no flips.

Then stop voting whiskers maybe?

You guys are both town, so stop being stupid and attacking each other for pointless things.

[Wisdom]

This day really needs to end.

[Wisdom]

It seems that none of my scumreads (whis, mat, mal) are viable lynches. It also seems that many people are voting ika for reasons i cannot parse. This feels like the wagon is full with sheep and scum; not a single person defends that slot(apart for me, i guess you can say that), not even ika himself...

No, they arent. Do you have any actual reason for ika being town? Not because of who is voting him or this crap, but actual content from ika or mollie that shows the slot is town. Do you?

Dunno when deadline is, but we should plan night actions as best as possible, and well - lynch scum preferably lol

There are no actions to plan. Deadline is in 2 days or so.

[Wisdom]

I doubt mala will be alive on N2, but even so it was already said that the neighborizers either do nothing or neighborize each other/Mala. Doesn't really matter which.

[Wisdom]

They'll still not allow her to investigate, which is the point.

[Wisdom]

you freaked out like a madman and started spewing crap in wisdom's posting speed. That is not how town respond to fire.

Once again, that's how he had been the entire game. You just failed to notice it because he was defending you.

[Wisdom]

Imo it doesn't matter what they do as long as they don't neighborize anyone other than the other neighborizers or Mala.

[Wisdom]

We're not lynching Matt. Choose between ika and penguin.

[Wisdom]

godfucking damn it, Whiskers. Wtf don't you understand? shos convinced himself you are scum and only then he started being annoyed by your playstyle. Prior to that, you had been defending him, so he didn't mind it.

You are both fucking town and this thing is fucking distracting. Now stop voting each other and choose from ika or penguin.

[Wisdom]

He explained that that was trying to get reactions from ika. <- another example of your "ignoring"

[Wisdom]

No, you weren't. You were voting ika apparently.

[Wisdom]

What troubles me is one thing.

mollie, like shos, might have been so annoyed with your playstyle that she convinced herself you are scum. If I recall, I also did in the beginning. Given that's my main reason for thinking she was scum, I'm starting getting cold feet about this lynch.

UNVOTE:

[Wisdom]

penguin maybe, Grim absolutely not.

[Wisdom]

No, she isn't. I've seen her stubbornly pushing lynches that make sense only to her.

[Wisdom]

@ooba
I'd prefer Nacho, maybe even Desp, over penguin right now. What do you think about them?

[Wisdom]

Except it is.

[Wisdom]

And to word it better, my point is not "mollie is like shos".
My point is that Whiskers' play is so frustrating, that it can lead people into thinking he is scum. It was the case with me in the beginning, and it was the case now with shos.
So it easily could have been the same with mollie.

[Wisdom]

Sure, "not doing anything" was another of my reasons for thinking she is scum. Except, without the main reason, which was her Whiskers' push, it's not enough for a lynch. Town are lazy and do nothing all the time.

[Wisdom]

nvm I iso'd mollie.

VOTE: ika

[Wisdom]

Also feeling better about desp again, if only because he didn't let me secondguess myself like that.

[Wisdom]

Why?

[Wisdom]

It's not down now, why is that all you're posting?

[Wisdom]

eew penguin is scum after all. This post was terrible.

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: penguin

[Wisdom]

Dude are you seriously still suggesting lynching Mala?

[Wisdom]

I'm feeling both penguin and ika are scum right now, hopefully we won't be mislynching.

[Wisdom]

Nacho is scum as well

[Wisdom]

Because this is not town Nacho, not by any stretch of the imagination.

[Wisdom]

Well it is for me. Unless you have any reason for Nacho being town.

[Wisdom]

It's not just meta.. Look at what nacho is posting.

[Wisdom]

That was even more scummy

[Wisdom]

Too bad, you're still dying.

[Wisdom]

That was never the reason your post was terrible. The actual reason is that
1) You're not voting ika out of self-preservation, like any townie would, given that it's guaranteed now that one of you is the lynch.
2) You keep spamming about the whole "neighbours will sort each other out" which is complete bullshit. If they can't sort each other out here, it won't be different in a neighborhood.
3) You actually use that to excuse yourself "leaving Matt to live". As if you ever voted him or as if you have the chance to lynch him today.
1 and 3 means that you are actually looking for an excuse to vote ika, because you think voting him would make yourself look bad. Guess what, it's the other way around.

And then you actually admit that you were scummy in that post, only for the wrong reasons. It shows how much you care about not appearing scummy and how much you realize that you failed.

and lol "utility lynch". Everyone voting ika is voting him because mollie was obvscum. Not because of any "utility lynch".

[Wisdom]

we don't know yet if we have an extension.

Except we do.

[Wisdom]

So you would prefer a no-lynch over penguin?

[Wisdom]

Nope, I'll vote ika if it comes to that. Though I really really prefer penguin right now.

[Wisdom]

I don't get why you're asking that though. Did you read fitz' post?

[Wisdom]

So you also prefer a no-lynch to penguin?

[Wisdom]

The point is fitz practically said he refuses to vote penguin (even bringing up that he would vote Nacho or other not-viable choices). And you don't care about it.

[Wisdom]

Yeah, penguin is still scum.

[Wisdom]

@penguin
I love how you use my votes to determine how much I have been scumreading mollie. You know how much I get distracted by literally everyone who posts bullshit. I have made it clear in my case that I have been scumreading mollie and she never did anything to convince me otherwise. Nor did ika.

@Mirari
Postcount means nothing. I can post this much as scum too. In fact in almost all of my scum games I have been the top poster.

[Wisdom]

Btw we did break this record as of some posts ago

[Wisdom]

@Whiskers
Dude, I don't care anymore. I know I'm not good at convincing people. I just state what I see and vote whoever I want. What I've done this game in terms of trying to explain my thoughts and cooperate with others already exceeds what I normally do. So yeah.

[Wisdom]

Newsflash; I don't care how you read me or what you think my conviction is.

[Wisdom]

I invite Desperado and Wisdom to put their money where their mouths are.

Nice try, but nothing is saving you now.

[Wisdom]

Has been answered.

[Wisdom]

penguin_alien - 5 - ooba,

Nachomamma8

, shos, Wisdom, Desperado (L-2)
ika - 4 - Grimgroove,

havingfitz

, Whiskers, penguin_alien (L-3)

Not voting -

MattP

, Malakittens,

ika

, Mirari

Who I think are possible buddies.

[Wisdom]

You just needed an excuse to move your vote to ika. What you didn't realize is that you didn't need one. Self-preservation. As town, you'd know yourself to be town, so ika would have more chances to be scum no matter what. It's nonsensical to want information or anything at all from him.

[Wisdom]

We had almost a full day with the possibility of another day beyond that. It wasn't time to panic.

Being town is darn well not about self-preservation.

It was pretty clear we were not getting an extension and it was also pretty clear the lynch is between you and ika.

[Wisdom]

the only other viable wagon

Thanks for admitting it yourself

[Wisdom]

You admitted there was no other viable wagon. Yet you didn't vote ika. Who you should know has more chance being scum than you.

[Wisdom]

That's really annoying.

[Wisdom]

You were not supposed to join it since it's such a "crap wagon", that's Desp's point. Not only you did, but you tried to get Desp and me to vote ika. Meaning, you encouraged the "crap" wagon.

[Wisdom]

If she flips town, Mirari does need more scrutinizing. Other suspects remain the same.

[Wisdom]

gj shos. Yet one more time I correctly scumread you yet changed my mind about you.

Nacho should have really been lynched though. He was completely underwhelming for the whole duration of the game, yet people kept saying he's town somehow. And that claim.. lol.

I kept thinking it's Nacho/Whiskers and basically stopped reading towards the end of the game, confident that that's the scumteam. Whiskers, there's something annoying in your tone that makes people think you are scum. I managed to stop myself from tunneling on you on D1, but it crept back on later days. You sound really manipulative in your posts, or something. Thought you'd want to know.

I played very obvtownily this game and that probably was a mistake given I was a PR. I'm not used to being a PR. Sorry for that, I guess.

Thanks for the game, Elyse. I enjoyed speculating about the flavor. The setup was kinda strange, I guess, but fun regardless.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom - you didn't give out the fact that you were a PR. in the entire day, I think only the 'live together' thing got nacho's eye for possible masons; but other than that we had no idea who might be a PR. I think there was some talk about Des.

No, what I mean is I painted a "Kill me on N1" sign on my back with my huge activity and how town I was, things that I do as a VT but I really shouldn't as a PR.

[Wisdom]

The vote happens when the mod reads it, not at the end of the post. That's how I would have done it too, regardless of whether it was the hammer or not.

[Wisdom]

Mine, but I assume that's what is mostly followed.

[Wisdom]

I personally thought the Encryptor and the Neighborizer are the same person, with the RB being the other.

[Wisdom]

Elyse, mind posting the role PMs?