Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[Elyse]

Votecount 1.19

penguin_alien - 4 - Malakittens, ooba, Mirari, Nachomamma8 (L-3)
Mirari - 1 - penguin_alien (L-6)
Malakittens - 2 - Desperado, MattP (L-5)
Whiskers - 1 - ika (L-6)
MattP - 3 - havingfitz, Grimgroove, shos (L-4)
ika - 1 - Wisdom (L-6)

Not voting - Whiskers

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2013-12-21 12:00:00)

Interesting Fact #20: Iris is the goddess of rainbows and messenger of Hera, sending messages between the heavens and earth.

[Desperado]

How? Not even the neighborizers knew about it.

Last I checked Mala was "reading too much into" the lover pairs wording anyway.

Mala gets Aphrodite as a fakeclaim. Mala sees multiple neighbors + a neighborizer interacting role. Mala makes up a fakeclaim that fits her knowledge.

^Why is this so ridiculous to you?

[Wisdom]

There are only 13 gods so no fakeclaims?

[Desperado]

OK.

Mala gets Aphrodite as her role name.

[Wisdom]

Yeah, again, we know that the lovers thing wasn't fake. If not a QT cop, which makes perfect sense (checking for neighborhoods aka "lovers", what other role, and scum role at that, would have such information?

[Desperado]

Unvote
Vote: Mirari

[Nachomamma8]

Yay for incoming penguin mislynch

Remember when you accused me of not considering your cases? You're doing some of that here.

[Wisdom]

I see no case. Just a bunch of things you don't like, which I don't find scummy in any way.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't like that her scumread on Mala disregards everything that penguin was publicly mulling over before; I feel like Mala pushing hard on town penguin for absolutely no reason is the type of thing that would stand out the strongest to town penguin, yet all we get is "hopeful scum" (what?) and one quote of Mala's. This is especially weird when she is happy to call mollie scum for inflexibility of Whiskers.

I don't like that she calls Matt town because Wisdom town.

And I don't like the general trend of picking out a post and having that decide the read as opposed to making reads based on the big picture; I can see Peng opening ISOs, finding a post she thinks she can comment on, then ignoring the rest.

Mala has a history of being paranoid of me and misreading me, although usually not until later. Basing my read of her entirely on that isn't helpful to the thread in general and even to me in particular.

I don't like that I didn't have anything less nebulous to read MattP on than Wisdom's read. I remember having no problem believing IaI's fake cop claim on him in NY 161, but this isn't the same MattP as was there. I find his neighborization claim the scummiest, and I'm not entirely buying into Wisdom's neighbor/lover theory.

If I quote a post, I generally consider it representative/illustrative rather than the sum total of the person's play. Sure, I could be doing what you describe--I can't prove a negative. But I'm not, so.

I don't really want to. But I will if you insist. I don't want to make a "case" like the one you made against me for the sake of making a "case". Wasted time for everyone involved. I will do that later.

I'd like to hear your current case on me. Although since you think it's wasted time to make a case, I don't have high hopes.

As far as neighborizers go, what about having them neighborize one another? It lets them use their roles without giving everyone a QT and so maximizes Mala's role's utility. And since there is a good chance of having a scum neighborizer, it lets the town one(s) sort the scum one(s) a bit.

P-edit: Thanks ever so, Wisdom.

Why isn't reading Mala based on the way she treats you helpful? I'm not sure what part of her getting paranoid of you and misreading you later obscures your read on her.

What's the difference between this MattP and Posh MattP?

[Nachomamma8]

For the record, I'll be done with all but one final on the 17th. That's when I'll really be able to get back into this game.

You should probably take your vote off in the meantime.

[Nachomamma8]

Btw you technically lied about your claim. Now that there are 2 night neighborizers and your claim is the odd one out, you switched to "no I'm a night one too I just create daytalk". Why didn't you clarify that at first?

Sorry, I didn't know I switched.


When I claimed, being a Day-Neighborizer. I guess I didn't go into specifics beyond that.
But, when I checked my role PM recently, I saw stuff that I hadn't really processed before, or forgot about.
Whether or not you want to discount this, my role

still

makes the least sense amidst all these claims-- with regards to setup, at least.

So, what is your full claim again? You neighborize pregame and it takes effect N1? Who did you neighborize?

[MattP]

UNVOTE

[Whiskers]

-You asked mala if she had already be neighborized. That meant you assumed Matt neighborizers at day, which in turn means you thought YOU neighborize at day.

Incorrect. I thought Matt didn't neighborize at all, because I thought Matt was lying. I was hoping to catch Matt & Mala in saying that MattP neighborized Mala during pregame, which didn't make sense to me-- since that wasn't how my role worked.
Actually, at that point I forgot that I was a Day Neighborizer at all. I realized afterward that my whole "FULLCLAIM, NOW" was to compare his role, which I assumed was a standard neighborizer, to my role, which was not-- which didn't mean there would be conclusive evidence whether or not his claim was true. I decided to keep up the questioning, such as it was, for the time being. It never hurts to put pressure on a claim.

-You didn't correct me when I stated the above, and instead said "exactly".

I said "exactly", because I assumed Matt was going to claim something

weird.

-You didn't correct ooba when he said to use your day-shot on him if you haven't used it yet.

I... I don't think he

ever

said that. He said something like, "Neighborizers should consider neighborizing me."

-You didn't correct mala when she told you "don't do it yet" (in regards to neighborizing ooba).

Again, I'm pretty sure this was to everyone-- don't neighborize yet. And since it's become, "Nobody neighborize at all, ever," Yeah, I think you're mistaken here.

Of course, I'm wrong on at least one account:

Yeah, maybe. Will you be more talkative if I neighborize you than you have been in the thread? Because if not, it'd really be a waste, wouldn't it?
Also, since I'm a Dayborizer, would it really be useful to you?

I would say that if you have your day-shot still left today, you should use it on me now.

^P-edit: Lol. Does your neighbourizing power flavor mention the "Sun" by any chance?

There simply can't be two town-neighbourizers. This isn't about outguessing the game moderator. It just makes no sense.

Why?
Why can't there be two of every animal?
I just want to point out that, I'm the "other neighborizer," and I'm the "unanimous townread." So maybe it should add some weight that I'm the one saying this?

My role does not overlap with his. I'm Apollo, a Day Neighborizer. Which, when I think about it, seems a lot more like a scum role, doesn't it?

If you haven't used it yet. I'm gonna ask you to wait before doing it.

Don't knowledge this, but ponder it for a bit, pls.

[Whiskers]

Yeah right.

Whiskers/Desp/nacho

That fits. I've had a blue-balls sort of town read on Desp for a while, and was trying to support Nacho in defending Mala against your weird shit.
So, definitely links there.

[Wisdom]

I would say that if you have your day-shot still left today, you should use it on me now.

[Wisdom]

And that's what Mala commented on. I'm not mistaken at all.

[Wisdom]

lol and I just realized you provided the quotes yourself
wtf

[Wisdom]

So, how should I take this post exactly?

"No, you're terribly wrong Wisdom! X and Y never happened!
But I'm actually wrong, here's proof that X and Y happened"

Wanna claim scum while you're at it?

[Whiskers]

VOTE: ika

This post tells me that our strong, fearless, beautiful leader, Wisdom, also has no direction right now. After having lost the Mala/Matt/Mollie/Mirari bit, he's grasping for something to hold on to, to cling to, until he can regain his footing.

Which is fine, but I think he should realize that. So I'm pointing it out for his benefit.
It's ok to have a moment of downtime while you figure out your next target.

[Whiskers]

we disagreed. it's that simple, and doesn't make us stupid, or scum

It does. There's no way you can't understand that the setup points to a role like mala's existing or how the flavor further confirms it. There is absolutely no chance mala is scum, so still pushing that is either stupid or scum acting stupid.

Actually-- the setup points to a role like hers, but with so many Neighborizers, what's to say she's not a scum QT Cop?
It's a non-normal cop to begin with. If all (or most) of the Neighborizers are Town, scum might want to know who is in communication with whom.

Did she know what the neighborizers do flavor-wise? Why did she say all that stuff about lovers if she didn't?

Also, this is speculation on your part. We all kind of patted you on the back for it, but nobody is certain how true it is. Except Elyse, I suppose.

[preedit]
got ninja'd

[Desperado]

But the ika vote made a ton of sense?

Who do you think ika replaced?

[Wisdom]

After having lost the Mala/Matt/Mollie/Mirari bit

Mala is town.
Matt gave me enough town feelings to make me not want to lynch him.
Some of Mirari's posts made me think I might be wrong about her.
Who does that leave?

I'm not lost at all.

[Whiskers]

But the ika vote made a ton of sense?

Who do you think ika replaced?

[Wisdom]

Though I am getting frustrated by how unreasonable/stupid almost the whole playerlist acts at times, and they can't all be scum, so there's that.

[Whiskers]

After having lost the Mala/Matt/Mollie/Mirari bit

Mala is town.
Matt gave me enough town feelings to make me not want to lynch him.
Some of Mirari's posts made me think I might be wrong about her.
Who does that leave?

I'm not lost at all.

So, can I ask you to think over-- not necessarily consider, or entertain, but to discuss with me-- the idea that Mala's role might actually be a scum one?