Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]
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Nadhia* Fuck AutocorrectIn post 6433, Maxous wrote:03 Giovanni il Pellegrino - even night weak-follower. claims a clear on me N2 and Narna N4
04 Maxous - roleblocker.
11 Nahdia* - Jailkeeper
14 Ankamius* - something with complex mechanics i think. can potentially kill?
18 Narna - psychiatrist. claims a clear on Nahdia and Massive. Notably claimed a guilty on town-Shiro
that's all the official claims i can remember
if you can figure this out we'll give you the MVPIn post 6431, Accountant wrote:Who's scum and why?
i'm voting Almost cause he's been very unuseful and tunneled on town-Titus
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No it doesn't. It requires Giovanni busdriven or Giovanni liar or some kind of other effect.In post 6437, Not Chara wrote:Shiro the rolecop said Cakez was likely town.
Narna scum requires Giovanni scum, he claimed a Weak clear on Narna.
pedit: Nahdia is the correct spelling, and so you've seen the claims, good.
This game is bastard we have yet to see the bastard components therefore we must focus less on roles and more on reads.-
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Let's assume what you say is true.In post 6439, Not Chara wrote:Giovanni lying means Giovanni scum. busdriven Giovanni requires a busdriver no one has seen any evidence of.
all investigatives so far have their results returned properly with names, and while this game is bastard due to certain mechanics i very much doubt we would be being purposely mislead with how night results are worded, by an experienced mod who just made the long post above.
aside from that, i just wanted to make sure you had the investigations and such taken into account.
Then what is bastard about this game?-
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I will keep it in mind as I go further on in my analysis but I don't see why Narna as scum would fake a guilty. An innocent sure as when I was scum in 1800 we had a buddy fake an innocent.
However Narna's guilty and saying they had a guilty more than likely implies that Narna probably targeted a different slot (guessing Ank based on how his play changed).
Faking a guilty is dumb for scum when behind and even dumber when they are rampaging like this. I don't see scum faking a guilty here especially when they could have just bussed Narna.-
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No. Narna was a wagon just like before. Narna was one shot governed by town. If Narna had a guilty and was looking to save their ass why not do it then?In post 6445, Not Chara wrote:'when they could have just bussed Narna'. if Narna is scum, he's already caught, so him faking a guilty to get a townie lynched (which worked, i might add) is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
Faking the guilty on Shiro was even more dumb because Shiro was a claimed Miller. I would have ignored the guilty as town derp on Narna's part and see if Shiro deserved the votes he had.
If Narna is scum though then SirCakez is almost conf scum levels of bad for the attempted bus.-
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I am against mass claim. Pants are awesome. They are shiny and robust.In post 6489, Not Chara wrote:Nahdia, were you the one who said a massclaim wouldn't help us?-
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No I think you are fishing for who is making everyone in that hood probably town.In post 6496, Nahdia wrote:I may have been wrong on Creature being in the hood. Not sure exactly where I got that information, I thought it was Andrius' ISO but looking again I don't see it. That would explain Titus being in the hood, so I'm probably just incorrect. Sorry for the confusion there.-
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In post 6481, PeregrineV wrote:In post 6427, Skullduggery wrote:Furthermore, since this has apparently become a serious point of contention for reasons that are beyond my cognitive abilities, I would like to reassure everyone that no, not every player in this game is aligned with the Town faction. That would be fucking stupid.
This is horrible and wifom. Since theme games don't have to follow the wiki a psychologist may only work on an SK or other means unknown to us.In post 6478, Accountant wrote:
Town Narna would defo have been blockedIn post 6475, Not Chara wrote:the best evidence for town Narna right now is him never claiming to be roleblocked, in my opinion.
Narna is going to swing from the rafters today and any Narna sympathizer can join them
The main thing we know is that Narna's last result is flawed. This means all other results must be taken with a grain of salt.-
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No. You are not setting me up for anything as I am town.In post 6503, Nahdia wrote:
I have no idea what you mean by this. I'm setting you up to be townread because... we're scum together?In post 6497, MathBlade wrote:
No I think you are fishing for who is making everyone in that hood probably town.In post 6496, Nahdia wrote:I may have been wrong on Creature being in the hood. Not sure exactly where I got that information, I thought it was Andrius' ISO but looking again I don't see it. That would explain Titus being in the hood, so I'm probably just incorrect. Sorry for the confusion there.
However you want to know who is in the hood likely because I believe there is no scum in it. By asking if I was in it twice you could ascertain things about it.-
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That may be possible but IMHO unlikely. I think Sircakes is scum. He is giving off similar tells and massive is pretty much taking up the scum slot of wagoning on most lynches plus I am not a fan of both their ISOs.
If scum do have eyes and Sircakes claimed a role of some benefit or action he would have to claim blocked or be outed. If scum do have eyes it gives them time.-
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They do function as intended but not on the right target is my hunch. Either scum are shifting the map or massive bus driver. Too many discrepancies in the info.In post 6516, Nahdia wrote:...I'm familiar with the room, yes. I'm not sure what your point is. It's a really really minor part of the game, not something I would use as a heavy thematic influence if I were designing a setup around Undertale. And although this game is bastard, we've been told our roles function as intended.
If you need Undertale trivia, I can help. If you need it from someone who isn't me for whatever reason, ask Not Chara.-
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Are you getting the name?In post 6520, Nahdia wrote:It's possible except that the investigators are saying they receive their target's names in their results. That'd be an outright lie from the mod (which Skull said wouldn't happen) if they were actually redirected. So it can't be happening to them, at the very least.-
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Yes. That is one possibility. Another is you are a liar. A third that would explain Narna's "guilty" is a psychologist is not an investigative in my home site. So you could have been not redirected N3 and Narna was to set up a mislynch combo. Lots of options but this many discrepancies means going back to Mafia and not info.-
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I disagree there is a lot that can be found out.In post 6539, Not Chara wrote:to avoid casting suspicion on Nahdia and/or Maxous for roleblocking investigatives? because targets have been telegraphed? because one or more of the investigatives are scum? it could be any number of things. i think we've reached the limits of this line of thinking without a massclaim. i keep bringing it up as an option because the number of unclaimed/hinted players is very small.
Please don't mass claim please give me time to analyze this.
Three people literally just joined the game. Mass claim here is dumb without myself and others being able to interact.
Give me a chance tonight to work off the claims so I can see what theories are the most likely.-
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It is NAI. I have done that as town and scum. Remember how in Gistou someone says you don't make a thirty player wall as scum? I did. Effort doesn't mean town.In post 6544, Almost50 wrote:See? It's posts like these that make it hard for me to actually scum read Nahdia no matter how paranoid I am about them overall. No scum goes through al this trouble to explain the game to others who have just joined in.
Oh, and for the record: I'm neither Vengeful not SuperSaint either. I do NOT have the capacity to kill either during my life or after I get killed/lynched. I'm still going to be Super ANNOYING though.
Shadowrun Mafia I gave town the probabilities I already did.
Effort or lack there of is NAI sans context.-
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This. Has been my point.In post 6549, Nahdia wrote:I don't think we should massclaim. We should just scumhunt.-
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I am not avoiding it.In post 6552, massive wrote:
So I guess I should ask again, if Narna is town, why isn't his innocent on me any good? You seem to be happily avoiding this.In post 6510, MathBlade wrote:massive is pretty much taking up the scum slot of wagoning on most lynches
Also, if it's worth anything, I have not been redirected.
I have explicitly stated that Narna's guilty on Shiro was bad this means all other claims must be investigated. Until I get a chance to sit down and look at all the claimed actions and piece then together and study things like redirects and sanities and other things there are no innocents or results.-
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Again let me reiterate I am not in a neighborhood.In post 6558, Almost50 wrote:
So, the 3 who got force replaced ARE the 3 sharing a neighbourhood?? And what IS SC's role? Do we know it or is it just those in the neighbourhood? And if the latter, how do we know one of them isn't scum and that's why the role leaked out?In post 6468, Nahdia wrote:The people in that hood currently are Accountant, Pine, and Mathblade.-
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...Not in a hood.In post 6494, MathBlade wrote:At work I am not in a neighborhood. I replaced Creature.
@Mod can you please let me know if I am supposed to be in a hood?-
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Again I AM NOT IN ANY HOOD read what I typeIn post 6564, Almost50 wrote:
Ok, so therein lies the key to solve the puzzle. Either Firebringer is a SCUM Neighbourizer, or Creature is the scum member of that neighbourhood.In post 6491, Nahdia wrote:
No.In post 6489, Not Chara wrote:Nahdia, were you the one who said a massclaim wouldn't help us?
If you want to subtly sling mud at me you're gonna have to try a lot harder than that.In post 6490, Not Chara wrote:another question: where did Firebringer claim neighbourizer where Nahdia could see? i don't remember that claim.In post 6086, Andrius wrote:This is me confirming that Firebringer is a Neighborizer.
I crumbed being neighborized a few times.
The N1 target did as well.
Shiro was last night's addition and a certain Baker was not trilled with the addition.
Andrius is the one who leaked SC's role, right? And Titus got shot bc of something she said in there. If we lynch withing Accountant/Mathblade we have a RED FLIP guaranteed. The thing is we need to lynch the right one to prevent the town slipping closer to a horrific defeat.
@Neighbourhood members:
Could you please reread the whole thing (your PT) and look for clues to have us make the correct lynch between Math & Accountant?-
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Mod got back to me I am not in a hood.
Oh yes it is and you only bring it up when I suggest the hood is a masonry? If you genuinely believed this you would have brought this up long before. Namely you would have been hood hunting for a different reason. What is much more likely is scum do not have eyes and it is a coincidence and could be using Nahdia as a puppet to their own will or Nahdia is scum. None of this at all has to do with the hood. You just wanted me or Accountant lynched and then when I poked an airplane sized hole through your bullshit you turned to Accountant.In post 6571, Almost50 wrote:
It simply is NOT possible for everyone in there to be Town when:In post 6498, MathBlade wrote:Or at least not scum. In Andrius's case probably SK or town prob not group scum. Leaning latter but SK possible.
1- SC's role get leaked in there and then he gets RB'd
2- Titus gets NK'd after joining (I still need to know WHEN she joined in).
IF we are to trust Andrius that Titus knew his role (she didn't object to his statement that she did) it makes Firebringer (Accountant now) the most likely scum person (yes, SCUM neighbourizer IS a thing, and especially so in a bastard game).
However, Andrius may have tricked Titus into believing he had a role that he didn't, and thus it could be still Andrius (Pine now) who is scum. The weak side of this narrative is how did he trick Titus into it w/o attracting Firebringer's attention? They must've talked to each other in the PT, and thus FB must've seen it too. However, Andrius kept saying TITUS knew his role, not Titus and Firebringer, although Andrius had already acknowledged he was neighbourized by FB anyway, but didn't mention Titus was until she flipped.
VOTE: Accountant
You like aren't even trying to be coherent.
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I would suggest that Nahdia not answer this.In post 6579, Almost50 wrote:
ROTFL. And that IS why you don't claim early for no purpose or reason. Use your claim strategically. I'd suggest you stop submitting night actions if you're not a compulsive RB.In post 6527, Nahdia wrote:Fucking hell I claimed day 1. They could've been using me as their own roleblocker every night if they have a redirector.
If she is town then she then leaks more about their role and let scum know whether they have to redirect her or not.
If she is scum then same applies or she could be a liar.
Nothing is gained here by responding to this. Nahdia will do Nahdia.-
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Replace all she with they sorry *blush*In post 6581, MathBlade wrote:
I would suggest that Nahdia not answer this.In post 6579, Almost50 wrote:
ROTFL. And that IS why you don't claim early for no purpose or reason. Use your claim strategically. I'd suggest you stop submitting night actions if you're not a compulsive RB.In post 6527, Nahdia wrote:Fucking hell I claimed day 1. They could've been using me as their own roleblocker every night if they have a redirector.
If she is town then she then leaks more about their role and let scum know whether they have to redirect her or not.
If she is scum then same applies or she could be a liar.
Nothing is gained here by responding to this. Nahdia will do Nahdia.-
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Just stopped at one of my stops.In post 6591, Almost50 wrote:
Didn't we already have a talk about you jumping the gun after a certain game where you insisted Mirhawk was the scum in there and town read the real mole?? Come on, Math. Do your thing, but don't repeat the same mistakes, my friend.In post 6574, MathBlade wrote:Oh yes it is and you only bring it up when I suggest the hood is a masonry? If you genuinely believed this you would have brought this up long before. Namely you would have been hood hunting for a different reason. What is much more likely is scum do not have eyes and it is a coincidence and could be using Nahdia as a puppet to their own will or Nahdia is scum. None of this at all has to do with the hood. You just wanted me or Accountant lynched and then when I poked an airplane sized hole through your bullshit you turned to Accountant.
If it was a Masonry then Accountant would've got the role of a MASONIZER. A Neighbourizer will recruit ANYONE (i.e. no guarantee on their alignment) and when a "fake" guilty arises on one member, another member gets NK'd, and someone's role gets revealed in the neighbourhood and they get RB'd on the very following night then if follows that it's MUCH MORE LIKELY there is a traitor in there (as in, MOLE, not the "role" of a Traitor). You can't tell me SC got blocked the same night Titus got shot has more chance of being a coincidence than a planned scheme based on knowledge of info that otherwise should be privy to the neighbourhood members.
A masonry is defined as a neighborhood with all town in it. It does not need to have been started by a masonizer.
Right now that is what I am thinking. However until I get home and crunch things and make sure I take everything into account I am saying there is no evidence other than speculation. I did the same speculation in Frozen Angel's game. I was right but that was because of hunches I had built constructively based on knowledge of the hood.
What you are proposing is pure speculation. That is why I said when I get home I will plot it out.-
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In post 6606, Nahdia wrote:This seems like an impossible situation. Narna can't have gotten that result on Shiro unless Shiro was targeted by a super framer. But Giovanni didn't die visiting Narna, and actually confirms they got a result on Narna.
I dunno. Maybe someone was doctoring Giovanni. Maybe Narna is a reflexive doctor, or a super godfather, or maybe Giovanni is scum with Narna. I really don't see Giovanni as a possibility for scum.
I'm worried. BigYoshiFan pulled "5 scum" out of his ass or something and now it's occurring to me if that's actually the case, this is our last mislynch. After that, it's possible mylo if nothing changes. We need to start getting this right, dammit.
Giovanni saw Narna using an investigative action. Narna does have some sort of investigative role, unless Giovanni is scum. That's worth noting, I think.
I'm seriously frying here. Feels like my brain is a god damn hamster wheel and the hamster just keeled over and died.
I just got home. I will try performing CPR in a bit on your hamster. For now just ISO. Read people without the mechanics. What does that tell you?-
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Ank still working on my notes. Explain your miller, hated, and benefits from hammering please. I know you did just please do it again.In post 6612, Ankamius wrote:So basically, now we can't assume Giovanni's innocents are accurate either.-
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Specifically more details than this.In post 126, Ankamius wrote:I forgot about this before because of the delay, butmy role has several different states it can have, and both Miller and Hated are part of those states.
By the same token, my role benefits from being on lynch wagons and hammering, so please be aware of this.-
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Specifically why did you not try to get benefits here?In post 3419, Skullduggery wrote:Day 1, Final Vote Count:
(2)zakk -- MagnaofIllusion, massive
(0)SirCakez
(0)Yume
(0)Maxous
(0)Creature
(0)PeregrineV
(1)Titus -- SnarkySnowman
(1)Shiro -- Titus
(12)MagnaofIllusion -- zakk, Nahdia, Not Chara, Narna, Firebringer, Maxous, Creature, Gamma Emerald, Nosferatu, SirCakez, Leonshade, Shiro
(0)Nosferatu
(1)Nahdia -- Yume
(0)Firebringer
(0)Not Chara
(0)Ankamius
(0)SlySly
(0)McMenno
(0)SnarkySnowman
(3)Narna -- McMenno, Andrius, Ankamius
(0)Gamma Emerald
(0)Leonshade
(0)Andrius
(0)massive
Not Voting:SlySly, PeregrineV
With 22 votes available, it took 12 votes to hammer.
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That is actually IMHO incorrect.In post 5978, Ankamius wrote:To everyone else: either you think Narna is scum, or you think both Shiro and I are scum.
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This post will be important.In post 6184, Andrius wrote:
This was discussed in the hood last night and two of us are ok with this.In post 6182, SirCakez wrote:I kinda want to vote for a draw-
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Narna is framed. I am this close to being able to demonstrate how. Just give me a minute.In post 6630, Accountant wrote:
VOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnaVOTE: NarnavIn post 6575, Nahdia wrote:I just got confirmation from Skull that Shiro was a standard miller, as can be read on the wiki. My speculation of him being a variant "global miller" is wrong. Shiro,as a miller, somehow got the attention of a scum framer, or Narna lied. Someone please tell me if there's some other possibility I'm not seeing. No, it can't have been redirected, we've been over that.-
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May I ask questions about the hood? I want to verify something.In post 6632, Accountant wrote:No comment on neighbourhood except to confirm math isn't in it right now.-
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Okay well here goes: Maxous, Giovanni, and Not Chara are all scum together.
I do not believe Maxous is a roleblocker.
Giovanni I believe is a scum follower but I do not think it is even odd nights and I think something is off there.
Not Chara is the fake target scum agreed upon to keep the story straight.
The Creature roleblock claim today is to try to rolefish out if I am an investigative and the reason Creature can't confirm or deny is because he didn't submit anything. Poor guy apathy must have got him.-
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