Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[MathBlade]

If ever, at any time, I end up flipping, Narna and Nahdia are confscum.

I don't expect that will happen unless a hammer gets stolen out from under me, in which case that person should be flipped third after those two.

I don't believe we should give you a hammer as I never got to finish my theory. I don't believe your states. I think you are just plain scum OR someone used your N3 state and plopped it on Shiro assuming Narna wasn't just town derp.

[MathBlade]

As you claimed before you get unspecified bonuses from being on wagons. If this is the case why weren't you spreading around votes like candy trying to find the scum? Similarly on D2 you avoided the McMenno wagon even as it was inevitable just saying you believed he was Town. As a town PR with states I would have expected us to remind us of that and then call us all idiots or something. Now let's look at day three.

[MathBlade]

I'm thinking that Leonshade is town (which doesn't indicate anything for Narna). I think whoever's town on this wagon is biasing too much towards them being scumpartners and scum are trying to support that.

Instead on day three is when you start campaigning for Leonshade town and then use your hammer.

Both lynches were inevitable and you were online at both times.

I do not believe you are town based on how you have laid out your claims.

Furthermore if you are just scum you are miller and hated already. Miller from being actual scum and Hated from doing self hammering as scum.

In actuality there is 0 that makes you Town and a lot where you play against your own claimed interests.

Furthermore you have been proposing a lot of shit that just isn't true.

[MathBlade]

Nahdia isn't surviving to the dawn of tomorrow.

Then lynch Maxous with us and if Maxous flips scum you don't shoot Nahdia. If Maxous flips town shoot away. Then again I do not believe you actually have your own shot and are just scum since you have had strong reads yourself since day three and haven't done a thing about it. Even as you see the town lynches piling. Your play does not match what you have claimed.

[Not Chara]

i'm confused as to how Giovanni isn't clear on whether no action was performed, or if he was blocked. i can say with a hundref percent certainty, a simple question to the mod about the result can confirm that. unless Giovanni's is some kind of needlessly bastard role that gives vague results in those situations. which would be silly, none of the other investigations are like that.

pedit: i'm fine with trusting Mathblade.

[MathBlade]

Furthermore to those of you who actually believe Narna is scum this makes Gio scum.
Because he said he had a 100% unadulterated innocent on her.

So Maxous Gio Ank Not Chara
Or
Nahdia Gio Narna
Or
Nahdia + others not Gio or Narna.

If you don't trust me on Maxous you should be making Narna + Gio worlds.

If I had a gun Gio would be lying down here blood fucking spilt.

[MathBlade]

Innocent on him (Narna)*

[MathBlade]

However Maxous gives us the most information going into potential LyLO. The fifth scum in my top category is BigYoshiFan/SnarkySnowman. I think that 5 scum thing is a slip.

So if somehow I die I think the scum team is Maxous Gio Ank Not Chara BigYoshiFan.
If Maxous Town most likely Nahdia + Gio + Narna.

Maxous and Gio need rope and death.

[MathBlade]

i'm confused as to how Giovanni isn't clear on whether no action was performed, or if he was blocked. i can say with a hundref percent certainty, a simple question to the mod about the result can confirm that. unless Giovanni's is some kind of needlessly bastard role that gives vague results in those situations. which would be silly, none of the other investigations are like that.

pedit: i'm fine with trusting Mathblade.

This so much this.

If he is weak and visited Maxous he should be able to just say I visited Maxous he got the names. I don't give two shits about the follower result.

I have to go to work but Maxous needs rope. Would settle for a Gio but Maxous gives us more on setup.

[Accountant]

Let's make a townbloc Math

Your sister would approve

[Maxous]

cutting through this fluff

how about Nahdia roleblocks Not Chara and we'll see what happens there
I'll roleblock Massive to make sure i'm targeting a confirmable role

that should prove these theories wrong I believe

VOTE: Narna

[Maxous]

also you can't say it's impossible to have 2 town roleblockers in the game when you think they are 5 town cop roles in the game

screw off

[Accountant]

i dont think there are 5 cops

[MathBlade]

cutting through this fluff

how about Nahdia roleblocks Not Chara and we'll see what happens there
I'll roleblock Massive to make sure i'm targeting a confirmable role

that should prove these theories wrong I believe

VOTE: Narna

Nope. You will be lynched.

What I am saying is N3 is inexplicable with both of you being Town. Explain how Not Chara wasn't roleblocked if both of you are town.

[MathBlade]

A setup can have infinitely many of any role.

It is that N3 doesn't make sense without you or Nahdia being scum.

[MathBlade]

Let's make a townbloc Math

Your sister would approve

Not a fan of town blocks. My reads are always changing as things come out. If you townread me though that is your decision. This would be one of the situations where Town blocks are good if we had one but until we see how Maxous flips a town bloc fmpov is not smart.

[Maxous]

What I am saying is N3 is inexplicable with both of you being Town. Explain how Not Chara wasn't roleblocked if both of you are town.

explain how Cakez was blocked N4 if i'm scum.

if we take Nahdia at thier word, they jailkept me which would of blocked all my actions so i couldn't of done jack-shit to cakez.

i don't want an anti-town lengthy back and forward but seriously, how could i have targeted cakez if i was being blocked? it

had

to be someone else.

But fine as, for Night 3.

a) Not Chara was empowered with a role - ( we had a motovator, we could have an empowerer )
b) Not Chara is misunderstanding/misreading their role - ( they had to ask the mod for confirmation their role happened. this happens way more than you'd think )
c) Not Chara is lying - ( do they have any proof their night 3 action went through? )
d) Mod made an error

[MathBlade]

What I am saying is N3 is inexplicable with both of you being Town. Explain how Not Chara wasn't roleblocked if both of you are town.

explain how Cakez was blocked N4 if i'm scum.

if we take Nahdia at thier word, they jailkept me which would of blocked all my actions so i couldn't of done jack-shit to cakez.

i don't want an anti-town lengthy back and forward but seriously, how could i have targeted cakez if i was being blocked? it

had

to be someone else.

But fine as, for Night 3.

a) Not Chara was empowered with a role - ( we had a motovator, we could have an empowerer )
b) Not Chara is misunderstanding/misreading their role - ( they had to ask the mod for confirmation their role happened. this happens way more than you'd think )
c) Not Chara is lying - ( do they have any proof their night 3 action went through? )
d) Mod made an error

Alrighty. I already did Nahdia was redirected or a liar for night four.
A) Nope. An empowerer would claim and clear this shit up.
B) If Not Chara can misunderstand why not Narna? Instead it proudly proclaims not roleblocked.
C) This is possible. However lying here would make them scum. Your flip will alleviate that if town or scum.
D) Mod error is not possible or mod would fix it. First post says mod doesn't lie.

Try again. You couldn't be redirected as you weren't out yet. Nahdia was.

[Not Chara]

a) doubtful. who would be empowering me and not claiming it? what point would there even be to that? i was unclaimed as an investigative until today.
b) i just had to ask the mod for clarification to be

sure

i wasn't roleblocked. my role is simple and easy to understand.
c) this is the only one that holds water.
d) this didn't happen, if it had the mod would have said something when i asked about it.

pedit: oh, there you go.

[Maxous]

if Narna is "misunderstanding" his role there is gonna be war

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Alrighty. I already did Nahdia was redirected or a liar for night four.

none of this explains how *I* could be scum based on Night 4 actions.
If Nahdia was re-directed they were re-directed by somebody not me.

but w/e. This argument is done.

[Maxous]

a) doubtful. who would be empowering me and not claiming it? what point would there even be to that? i was unclaimed as an investigative until today.
b) i just had to ask the mod for clarification to be

sure

i wasn't roleblocked. my role is simple and easy to understand.
c) this is the only one that holds water.
d) this didn't happen, if it had the mod would have said something when i asked about it.

pedit: oh, there you go.

well e) my role was f'd with it but MathBlade is refusing to believe that which is why that argument wasn't there

[Not Chara]

if Narna is "misunderstanding" his role there is gonna be war

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Alrighty. I already did Nahdia was redirected or a liar for night four.

none of this explains how *I* could be scum based on Night 4 actions.
If Nahdia was re-directed they were re-directed by somebody not me.

but w/e. This argument is done.

did i miss something where it was said that if there's a scum redirector, it has to be Maxous?

[Maxous]

did i miss something where it was said that if there's a scum redirector, it has to be Maxous?

no.

but that's the logic behind my wagon becuase they think i was re-directing Nahdia to roleblock my targets - something i'm (hopefully) disproving

i'm aware it's probably gotten hard to follow and we're arguing about a bunch of setup speculation.

but hey, people are trying to lynch me based on setup speculation so,

[Not Chara]

do you think i'm scum, Maxous?

what prompted you to propose that Leon was scum governing his buddy?

[Maxous]

Spoiler: well i explained it at the time

VOTE: Maxous

Disingenuous my ass.

it was though

> you trolled Andrius
> called your wagon stupid
> and then said kill these random players

then Leon is "oh man, this so town i have to govern the lynch"

it felt like you knew you were getting governed, that is the easiest way i can explain it

given all these claimed powers I have been wondering what Scum could possibly have to counter-act them. Governor is a fairly good shout

there is no way scum Leon would risk governing his partner Narna.

incorrect.
this town has been bitterly divided the entire game.
we come in to day 3 united for once and steamroll a scum lynch only for Leon to "whoops, i just governed him"

and look where we are now: back to square 1 with split wagons and no co-operation.

i would imagine Leon & Narna thought they would get away with this because of thier claims - in fact, they kinda are.

Leon's reasoning that Narna was "acting like menno" is unconvincing

a) Narna's post-hammer behaviour is so easy to fake

b) i don't understand how trolling obv-town Andrius gets you a

townread

Tl;DR:
a) I still don't understand why Leon thought narna was so town that it was a good idea to govern him.
b) I thought Scum-Governer was a good setup balancer to all the town investigate roles

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I think it's possible you're scum NC, i'm not really sure