Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[Nahdia]

It's possible except that the investigators are saying they receive their target's names in their results. That'd be an outright lie from the mod (which Skull said wouldn't happen) if they were actually redirected. So it can't be happening to them, at the very least.

Are you getting the name?

No. I'm not an investigator. So yes, I could have been redirected every night. It would at the very least explain zakk dying.

[Nahdia]

Oh christ.

I'm getting redirected every night aren't I.

[Nahdia]

Fucking hell I claimed day 1. They could've been using me as their own roleblocker every night if they have a redirector.

[Nahdia]

But Maxous' action on Night 3 failed and I didn't target anyone, I shouldn't have been able to be redirected that night. That would still need an explanation.

This is all wild speculation. I need scumhunting dammit.

[MathBlade]

Yes. That is one possibility. Another is you are a liar. A third that would explain Narna's "guilty" is a psychologist is not an investigative in my home site. So you could have been not redirected N3 and Narna was to set up a mislynch combo. Lots of options but this many discrepancies means going back to Mafia and not info.

[Almost50]

Then what is bastard about this game?

Trust me, there IS at least one bastard component to this game.

However, I'm comfortable letting you do your own thing on this game in particular. There's literally nothing you can say or do that could offend or upset me after what we have seen from certain individuals. Even swearing and cursing is alright by me (but I'd still appreciate it if you didn't overdo it)

[MathBlade]

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Narna did you get the name?

[Nahdia]

I get told the name of who I investigated in my report. Titus was like that as well.

[Maxous]

Trust me, there IS at least one bastard component to this game

spill the beans.

[Not Chara]

But Maxous' action on Night 3 failed and I didn't target anyone, I shouldn't have been able to be redirected that night. That would still need an explanation.

This is all wild speculation. I need scumhunting dammit.

i'm curious as to why you immediately believed me when i said i hadn't been roleblocked night 3.

is it just a strange thing to lie about as scum?

[Not Chara]

that said, being redirected every night is a possibility. and would account for the third roleblock ability. if Maxous was redirected, it would explain why i wasn't blocked.

[Maxous]

all the investigative roles specifically get the player name in their result, that....would actually make sense with some kind of re-directing role

it would also explain seemingly only re-directing roles that don't give feedback

[Not Chara]

Almost: i'm beginning to have doubts about you. what are you attempting to do this game? can you refresh me on who's scum?

Maxous: Nahdia did claim day 1, so if they're town scum could have safely redirected (yourself as well, if it happened) without ever hitting an investigative by accident.

[Narna]

It doesn't explain why the investigatives aren't being roleblocked though.

[Not Chara]

to avoid casting suspicion on Nahdia and/or Maxous for roleblocking investigatives? because targets have been telegraphed? because one or more of the investigatives are scum? it could be any number of things. i think we've reached the limits of this line of thinking without a massclaim. i keep bringing it up as an option because the number of unclaimed/hinted players is very small.

[MathBlade]

to avoid casting suspicion on Nahdia and/or Maxous for roleblocking investigatives? because targets have been telegraphed? because one or more of the investigatives are scum? it could be any number of things. i think we've reached the limits of this line of thinking without a massclaim. i keep bringing it up as an option because the number of unclaimed/hinted players is very small.

I disagree there is a lot that can be found out.

Please don't mass claim please give me time to analyze this.

Three people literally just joined the game. Mass claim here is dumb without myself and others being able to interact.

Give me a chance tonight to work off the claims so I can see what theories are the most likely.

[Ankamius]

I'm just going to point out that even if a massclaim is agreed on, I'm not fullclaiming.

[BigYoshiFan]

Is there any discrepancy during the night Narna targeted Shiro? Redirector can explain that too.

[Almost50]

Everyone that I read as town both before and after my replace out tells me you're a scumlord. Flipped town agrees and my neighbours all agree. I'm told you gave a fake result that led to a town mislynch.

VOTE: Narna

Oh, you were already in the game before. I missed that. So, what's the "famous in the 90's" reference Firebringer mentioned? ONLY respond if you don't think it will hurt the game status any further though.

OK, time for my own reads & reamrks (for the benefit of the 3 who just joined in/rejoined):

SirCakez

is SCUM. At one point he was fabricating evidence on Pepto/Narna. I wasn't even town-reading Narna at that time, but the push was very much forced with circumstantial evidence. (Don't ask for explanations. ISO Cakez instead, please).

Giovanni il Pellegrino

WEAK Follower Claim. Has been a Town read since House was there, then Yume, so Giovanni replaced into an already very likely Town slot, and I haven't seen much of him to weaken that read.

Maxous

Also very likely Town. I have no special remarks on the slot otherwise.

Mathbade

(Creature) was basing EVERY SINGLE READ OF HIS on previous games (i.e. meta) and didn't look like reading into this game at all. I had a strong scum lean on him because of precisely that. Math will have to do some work to improve my read on the slot, and it's why I want them to feel comfortable to act in any way they deem is the correct play.

PeregrineV

If this isn't Town!PV then I don't think he will ever be Town read by me again.. ever.

Nahdia

One of the players I'd always be wary of. There's not much evidence of scummy behaviour from them though, but I have always maintained Nahdia can never earn a 100% Town read from me unless they do flip Green, and the Jailer could be of either alignment.

Accountant

I think it's fair to reset my read here to TOTAL NULL. If we go by what's been going on I'd be tunneling THIS SLOT, and it's because of nothing ACCOUNTANT has said or done.

Not Chara

Although not as confident here as I am on Giovanni, Maxous or even PV, I have a fairly strong Town read on the slot.

Ankamius

I had a mush stronger Town read on him earlier, but I've been second guessing myself. The Miller claim doesn't help when we've already had a flipped Town Miller. I'm not saying his claim is false by necessity, but I'm just not 100% sure now.

BigYoshiFan

Snarky was Town to me, and that's all I can say on the slot for now.

Narna

I had a strong SCUM read there earlier, but bit by bit I came to realize it doesn't make any sense. I have been defending him since yesterday and have predicted that when the Miller flips TOWN Narna will be next and he will also flip TOWN. There are also other factors, like the Gio inno on him, so Narna is TOWN.

Almost50

Annoying TOWN Dog. Will annoy you all for as long as he lives, and when/if he dies he will make sure to continue to be annoying.

Pine

Another slot that's been heading south after having been one of my strongest Town reads earlier (Now you know why Skull had to act and force replace 3 slots at once). He claimed Vig, then retracted and stated he had no killing abilities, but still could submit 3 kills a night (read the ISO, please). I would very much appreciate it if Pine could elaborate on whatever Andrius was talking about (but again: ONLY if it doesn't hurt the game status or weaken the Town chances to win this).

massive

A fruit vendor is usually TOWN, no? Both Andrius and Titus (not positive on Titus) acknowledged receiving fruit from him, so he's Town.

It thus follows my read list looks like this:

Conf!Town: Almost (The only PM I have actually read myself)

Strong Town: Giovanni il Pellegrino, Maxous,

Very Likely Town: Narna, massive, PeregrineV, (former 2 analytically, PV is a pure guts and meta read)

Not a priority: Ankamius, Andrius, BigYoshiFan, Not Chara, (in no particular order)

I'm Paranoid: Nahdia,

Leaning Scum: Creature, Firebringer,

S-C-U-M: SirCakez,

[Almost50]

Spoiler: Brief Game Summary

Day 1

Various wagons are tested, Magna is eventually lynched.


Also during this day, the deadline was mysteriously extended by over 100 years after 516 occurred. Wingdings have become a common theme during the game and I’ll discuss them in more detail in the scum team speculation section.

Day 2

Narna and McMenno become competing counterwagons, ending with McMenno being lynched. From 4009 onward, ALL mod communication in thread becomes wingdings. Since McMenno’s flip is obscured by this, I’ll post the translation here:
McMenno was sans, town lazy coroner.
nighttime abilities: during the night phase, you may select any dead player in the game to learn who targeted that player with a killing action on the night that they died. if this player was targeted by more than one killing action, you will learn the identities of all of that player's killers. you may only use this ability starting on night 7.
(yes, it was all in lower case)

Day 3

Because McMenno flipped town, Narna is quickly wagoned. However, Leonshade uses his governor ability to save them. Leonshade is eventually lynched for this.

Day 4

Narna’s psychologist role (which detects if a player has or has ever had access to a kill) gets a “guilty” on Shiro, who denies ever having access to a kill. He is however a miller, which he claimed day 1. Narna asks in private Skullduggery if millers would show as “guilty” on her check and is told they will not. However, Shiro amends his miller claim to global miller, which returns all investigative results as if he were a scum-aligned player. Ankamius (also a miller) backs this up saying his role functions similarly.


As of 5802, the deadline this day was suddenly slashed by a roughly a week.

Spoiler: All Claims

I’m including in this softs, since I doubt much has escaped a full scumteam’s notice.


Worth noting that investigative roles receive full reports including the target’s name, which means speculation as to possible busdrivers is faulty. Titus (dead town) confirms this in 3633. Giovanni and Narna have both confirmed this as well.

SirCakez:

No claim. However his role has been made public in a neighborhood which I believe consists currently of Firebringer, Andrius, and Creature (?) as Shiro was in it previously and had rolecopped him. This is stated in 6187. He did as of 6213 state he was roleblocked, indicating his role is one which gets some sort of feedback.

Giovanni il Pellegrino:

Weak unclaimed investigative role. First claimed weak in 4483 (Day 3), first claimed investigative in 4541, as of 6162 he confirms his role receives feedback. He confirms in 6322 that his weak modifier triggers any time he targets anyone who is not town. In 4539 he also states his role is even-night only. He claims to have targeted Maxous night 2 and Narna night 4.

Maxous:

Roleblocker. Claimed 3625 (Day 2) Claims to have roleblocked Shiro night 1, which is confirmed by earlier Shiro in 3541. Night 2 and 3 actions not claimed (??). Night 4 block was Creature, claimed in 6361.

Creature:

No claim to my knowledge.

PeregrineV:

No claim to my knowledge.

Nahdia:

Jailkeeper. First claimed 2136 (you can find a working link for the audio in 4104, though I should mentioned Skullduggery asked that no one else do this). My role allows other people to target my target, just not kill them. I targeted zakk night 1, massive night 2, no one night 3, and Maxous night 4. Obviously I was either roleblocked night 1 or there was a strongkill, since zakk died. Claimed my night 1 action in 3430, night 2 action in 4353 (should note i was wrong about my role mechanics in that post), night 3 action in 5964, night 4 action on 6216. Flavor claimed (well, heavily softed but by writing it here I confirm it) Muffet.

Firebringer:

Neighborizer. I don’t know the order of the targets, but it seems to have at certain points contained himself, Andrius, Creature, Titus, and Shiro. Not 100% where this was claimed. Andrius mentions Titus was a neighbor in 6165 and refers again to a hood in 6184.

Not Chara:

No claim to my knowledge.

Ankamius:

In 126, Ankamius states that he has a miller state, a hated state, and benefits from hammering. In 5976, he clarifies that his miller state returns guilties on all investigatives.

BigYoshiFan:

No claim to my knowledge.

Narna:

Psychologist; claims to be told whether a player has or has ever had the ability to kill each night. First claims this in 4238 (I feel like it was earlier but can’t find anything?). Also in that post claims to have checked massive night 2, they cannot kill.. In 4246 Narna claims to have missed the deadline for submitting an action on Night 1. They got a “guilty” on Shiro on Night 3, as of post 5676. Claimed to have gotten a “cannot kill” on myself in 6164. Flavor claimed Gerson.

Almost50:

Heavily softed supersaint with flavor “Annoying Dog”. Supersaint softs include 940 and 947 (Gamma Emerald is the spot’s predecessor). I make a nod at Almost50’s role in 4950 and Almost50 acknowledges I know his role in 4957 and totally confirms it in 5116. Flavor soft of Annoying Dog is in posts 6124 and 6125.

Andrius:

...I’m not sure, really. Andrius flavor claims Frisk all over the place. Makes allusion to possible pacifist and genocide routes in 3135 and 4057 and a bunch of other places but I’m not sure what they mean. In 5922 he claims Titus knew his role, perhaps it’s stated in the neighborhood? In 6165 he says Titus knows his “secret”.

massive:

Softed fruit vendor in 4219. I know his flavor, but I’ll let him decide if he wants it outed.

See? It's posts like these that make it hard for me to actually scum read Nahdia no matter how paranoid I am about them overall. No scum goes through al this trouble to explain the game to others who have just joined in.

Oh, and for the record: I'm neither Vengeful not SuperSaint either. I do NOT have the capacity to kill either during my life or after I get killed/lynched. I'm still going to be Super ANNOYING though.

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: Brief Game Summary

Day 1

Various wagons are tested, Magna is eventually lynched.


Also during this day, the deadline was mysteriously extended by over 100 years after 516 occurred. Wingdings have become a common theme during the game and I’ll discuss them in more detail in the scum team speculation section.

Day 2

Narna and McMenno become competing counterwagons, ending with McMenno being lynched. From 4009 onward, ALL mod communication in thread becomes wingdings. Since McMenno’s flip is obscured by this, I’ll post the translation here:
McMenno was sans, town lazy coroner.
nighttime abilities: during the night phase, you may select any dead player in the game to learn who targeted that player with a killing action on the night that they died. if this player was targeted by more than one killing action, you will learn the identities of all of that player's killers. you may only use this ability starting on night 7.
(yes, it was all in lower case)

Day 3

Because McMenno flipped town, Narna is quickly wagoned. However, Leonshade uses his governor ability to save them. Leonshade is eventually lynched for this.

Day 4

Narna’s psychologist role (which detects if a player has or has ever had access to a kill) gets a “guilty” on Shiro, who denies ever having access to a kill. He is however a miller, which he claimed day 1. Narna asks in private Skullduggery if millers would show as “guilty” on her check and is told they will not. However, Shiro amends his miller claim to global miller, which returns all investigative results as if he were a scum-aligned player. Ankamius (also a miller) backs this up saying his role functions similarly.


As of 5802, the deadline this day was suddenly slashed by a roughly a week.

Spoiler: All Claims

I’m including in this softs, since I doubt much has escaped a full scumteam’s notice.


Worth noting that investigative roles receive full reports including the target’s name, which means speculation as to possible busdrivers is faulty. Titus (dead town) confirms this in 3633. Giovanni and Narna have both confirmed this as well.

SirCakez:

No claim. However his role has been made public in a neighborhood which I believe consists currently of Firebringer, Andrius, and Creature (?) as Shiro was in it previously and had rolecopped him. This is stated in 6187. He did as of 6213 state he was roleblocked, indicating his role is one which gets some sort of feedback.

Giovanni il Pellegrino:

Weak unclaimed investigative role. First claimed weak in 4483 (Day 3), first claimed investigative in 4541, as of 6162 he confirms his role receives feedback. He confirms in 6322 that his weak modifier triggers any time he targets anyone who is not town. In 4539 he also states his role is even-night only. He claims to have targeted Maxous night 2 and Narna night 4.

Maxous:

Roleblocker. Claimed 3625 (Day 2) Claims to have roleblocked Shiro night 1, which is confirmed by earlier Shiro in 3541. Night 2 and 3 actions not claimed (??). Night 4 block was Creature, claimed in 6361.

Creature:

No claim to my knowledge.

PeregrineV:

No claim to my knowledge.

Nahdia:

Jailkeeper. First claimed 2136 (you can find a working link for the audio in 4104, though I should mentioned Skullduggery asked that no one else do this). My role allows other people to target my target, just not kill them. I targeted zakk night 1, massive night 2, no one night 3, and Maxous night 4. Obviously I was either roleblocked night 1 or there was a strongkill, since zakk died. Claimed my night 1 action in 3430, night 2 action in 4353 (should note i was wrong about my role mechanics in that post), night 3 action in 5964, night 4 action on 6216. Flavor claimed (well, heavily softed but by writing it here I confirm it) Muffet.

Firebringer:

Neighborizer. I don’t know the order of the targets, but it seems to have at certain points contained himself, Andrius, Creature, Titus, and Shiro. Not 100% where this was claimed. Andrius mentions Titus was a neighbor in 6165 and refers again to a hood in 6184.

Not Chara:

No claim to my knowledge.

Ankamius:

In 126, Ankamius states that he has a miller state, a hated state, and benefits from hammering. In 5976, he clarifies that his miller state returns guilties on all investigatives.

BigYoshiFan:

No claim to my knowledge.

Narna:

Psychologist; claims to be told whether a player has or has ever had the ability to kill each night. First claims this in 4238 (I feel like it was earlier but can’t find anything?). Also in that post claims to have checked massive night 2, they cannot kill.. In 4246 Narna claims to have missed the deadline for submitting an action on Night 1. They got a “guilty” on Shiro on Night 3, as of post 5676. Claimed to have gotten a “cannot kill” on myself in 6164. Flavor claimed Gerson.

Almost50:

Heavily softed supersaint with flavor “Annoying Dog”. Supersaint softs include 940 and 947 (Gamma Emerald is the spot’s predecessor). I make a nod at Almost50’s role in 4950 and Almost50 acknowledges I know his role in 4957 and totally confirms it in 5116. Flavor soft of Annoying Dog is in posts 6124 and 6125.

Andrius:

...I’m not sure, really. Andrius flavor claims Frisk all over the place. Makes allusion to possible pacifist and genocide routes in 3135 and 4057 and a bunch of other places but I’m not sure what they mean. In 5922 he claims Titus knew his role, perhaps it’s stated in the neighborhood? In 6165 he says Titus knows his “secret”.

massive:

Softed fruit vendor in 4219. I know his flavor, but I’ll let him decide if he wants it outed.

See? It's posts like these that make it hard for me to actually scum read Nahdia no matter how paranoid I am about them overall. No scum goes through al this trouble to explain the game to others who have just joined in.

Oh, and for the record: I'm neither Vengeful not SuperSaint either. I do NOT have the capacity to kill either during my life or after I get killed/lynched. I'm still going to be Super ANNOYING though.

It is NAI. I have done that as town and scum. Remember how in Gistou someone says you don't make a thirty player wall as scum? I did. Effort doesn't mean town.

Shadowrun Mafia I gave town the probabilities I already did.

Effort or lack there of is NAI sans context.

[MathBlade]

Hell you should know this. You were in Gistou.

*playfully smacks Almost50* You are derping or scum.

[Almost50]

Literally every time I come to this game and see a reference to Narna as a "she or her" I go check on HIS avatar and make sure I read HIS pronoun correct!

It's no biggie (and it obviously doesn't bother him either) but it confuses the hell out of me. Just saying.

[Ankamius]

Reaffirming my scumread of Almost50 for that reads list.

[Nahdia]

I don't think we should massclaim. We should just scumhunt.