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Post Post #6775 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:15 am

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In post 6769, Maxous wrote:if Narna is "misunderstanding" his role there is gonna be war

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In post 6767, MathBlade wrote:Alrighty. I already did Nahdia was redirected or a liar for night four.
none of this explains how *I* could be scum based on Night 4 actions.
If Nahdia was re-directed they were re-directed by somebody not me.

but w/e. This argument is done.
No it isn't. You are scum because you claimed the roleblock that was either Nahdia redirected or lying. It is more you don't scum read Nahdia believe she is telling the truth yet don't question wtf happened night four.
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Post Post #6776 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:21 am

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A scum redirector has to exist or Nahdia is a liar.

Nahdia said they protected Zakk. Zakk died.
Nahdia said they roleblocked on N2 and N4. Didn't work.

So either Nahdia is a liar or there is a redirector.

If Nadhia is a liar then Nahdia is scum.
If Nahdia is being redirected then your roleblock not going through N3 makes no sense.

So from your pov there is and is not a redirector on Nahdia this is a contradiction. From your POV Nahdia should be conf scum.
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Post Post #6777 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:26 am

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In post 6766, Maxous wrote:if we take Nahdia at thier word, they jailkept me which would of blocked all my actions so i couldn't of done jack-shit to cakez.
Unless your redirect took priority over my jailkeep.
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Post Post #6778 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:38 am

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These cases are both very rare. Normally, the Golden Rule will be sufficient to resolve almost any combination of actions. Try to resolve actions using the Golden Rule first before reading onwards.
In case of emergency breakdown of the Golden Rule
If there is really no other option, the traditional recommendation of Natural Action Resolution is to pick whichever of the conflicting actions comes first on the following list, and resolve it first:
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Post Post #6779 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:39 am

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Find an action (or a passive modifier, such as Bulletproof) such that its effect cannot possibly be modified by any other action.
Resolve it.
Repeat from step 1 until all actions are resolved.
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Post Post #6780 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:40 am

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An example of an action loop:
Player 1 blocks Player 2.
Player 2 redirects Player 1 onto player 3.
In this case, both actions affect each other; player 2's action changes the target of player 1's, and player 1's is prevented by player 2's.
Note that this loop would not occur if either of the players had chosen different targets. If player 2 had targeted someone else, then the roleblock is not affected by any other actions, and player 2 will just be blocked outright. If player 1 had targeted someone else, then the redirect is not affected by any other actions, so player 1 will end up blocking player 2's target.
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Post Post #6781 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:41 am

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If there is really no other option, the traditional recommendation of Natural Action Resolution is to pick whichever of the conflicting actions comes first on the following list, and resolve it first:
Copy
Hide
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Do not use this list unless actions are actually in conflict; that is, that both affect each other.
If only one of the actions affects another, resolve that one first, regardless of the positions on the list.
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Post Post #6782 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:41 am

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So if scum have a redirector in that case it is not Maxous else he would come after and be blocked by Nahdia.
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Post Post #6783 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:42 am

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In post 6776, MathBlade wrote:If Nahdia is being redirected then your roleblock not going through N3 makes no sense.
well i don't f'n know

all i know - is i targeted Not Chara on N3

my roleblock confirmed to work on Shiro on N1
it apparently worked on Nahdia on N2

why don't you question Not Chara's role then?

why don't we get Nahdia to roleblock Not Chara and see if it works?

why do I have to be lynched for this WIFOM shit?

no, i don't think i automatically have to assume Nahdia is scum in a bastard game where we have no idea what the scum roles are.

i should take a break for a bit


Nahdia - roleblocks >>> re-directing so no.
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Post Post #6784 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:46 am

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The above is from the NAR wiki. So Maxous would not be the redirector in that case. He would be covering up for it.
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Post Post #6785 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:49 am

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In post 6783, Maxous wrote:
In post 6776, MathBlade wrote:If Nahdia is being redirected then your roleblock not going through N3 makes no sense.
well i don't f'n know

all i know - is i targeted Not Chara on N3

my roleblock confirmed to work on Shiro on N1
it apparently worked on Nahdia on N2

why don't you question Not Chara's role then?

why don't we get Nahdia to roleblock Not Chara and see if it works?

why do I have to be lynched for this WIFOM shit?

no, i don't think i automatically have to assume Nahdia is scum in a bastard game where we have no idea what the scum roles are.

i should take a break for a bit


Nahdia - roleblocks >>> re-directing so no.
A roleblocker is confirmed. Not you. Could be Nahdia. Either way one of you is a liar.

I do question it. I already did.

Because we end up in a repeat of one of you being a liar again.

Because it isn't wifom. One of you or Nahdia without a doubt is scum.

Yes you should. No amount of bastard explains Nahdia's RBs not working without redirect or scum.
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Post Post #6786 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:02 am

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In post 6725, Narna wrote:I've also tried to start lynches on the current frontrunners in Maxous and a50 way earlier in the game.
The thing that bugs me is you didn't try to check on any of the people you are pushing to verify that they do/did possess the ability to kill. You're pushing certain slots and checking totally different slots, which is strange to say the least.

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Post Post #6787 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:18 am

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Furthermore it solicited Nahdia scum if you are town because someone would have had to mess with Gio's action. (Or Gio is scum)

Pretty much your flip reveals a fuck ton about the game state.

I also don't like how Almost 50 pushes Narna but doesn't question Gio's innocent on Narna.
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Post Post #6788 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:18 am

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Solidifies * autocorrect you suck.
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Post Post #6789 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:33 am

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Mahdi a are you pulling a Shadowrun Mafia here?
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Post Post #6790 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:33 am

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Nahdia*

I would vote my phone if it was a player.
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Post Post #6791 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:34 am

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I was only in that game for pre-game so you'll have to clarify what you mean~
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Post Post #6792 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:44 am

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In post 6791, Nahdia wrote:I was only in that game for pre-game so you'll have to clarify what you mean~
In Shadowrun Mafia I claimed Jailkeeper early to select players and was scum. I thought you watched it.
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Post Post #6793 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:55 am

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I read the part where you had to start talking like a magical horse.
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Post Post #6794 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:05 am

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Logically Maxous should be the lynch today but your scumdar pings me like no business.
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Post Post #6795 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:07 am

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In post 6787, MathBlade wrote:I also don't like how Almost 50 pushes Narna but doesn't question Gio's innocent on Narna.
I'm not pushing Narna anymore. I do lean towards him being framed and that he is Town.

However, I AM questioning his play. How do you keep pushing for the lynch of a certain slot for 3 consecutive days and never occurs to you to check them when you do have a check available each night? I mean, he's been pushing me for too long now, and it never looked like going his way, so a guilty would be nice to prove him right. An innocent would help him see things better and start looking in the right direction. A check on my slot should've been a must for him by now.

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Post Post #6796 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:14 am

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Somewhere either Titus is proud or crying and I don't know which.
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Post Post #6797 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:17 am

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Post Post #6798 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:19 am

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For the question of "oh boo hoo why would scum Gio try to save his buddy???"
because this town is gullible as shit (as seen with the Shiro "guilty" yesterday)

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Post Post #6799 (ISO) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:20 am

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In post 3754, Titus wrote:
In post 3753, SlySly wrote:Supporting scum who lynch great town players is not helpful either.
Captain obvious gets a theory medal. Please fill in names and apply the theory to the game state.

Conclusion
Rule
Application
Conclusion

Remember, crac kills scum.

I conclude Maxous or Nahdia is scum.
Rules say we lynch scum. Not town.
Application I will hammer as I don't trust Ank but I am asking for the votes.

Conclusion Ank needs to prove why he should be trusted because I don't.

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