Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[MariaR]

dont entirely clear cloud tbh but EMers are a pain in the ass to deal with

I recent that remark
and HA TOLD YOU ALL TOLD YOU ALL
Scoty be town now lets lynch BV or Jaack ty sheep Maria 2k16

[MariaR]

your scumreads are ultra bad and I wouldn't even be surprised if sotty turns out rolecop or something.

Stfu rask and let me LIVE

[MariaR]

VOTE: Jaack
Bad wagon is bad
obv scum is obv

[MariaR]

Maybe Creature did flip scum...

[MariaR]

Black is right that we are legit doing everything opposite of each other I don't remember who was part of the Scotty wagon day 1 so I joined the victor wagon and a few of my townreads joined as I was okay with it your only reason for sr's me is just that were on 2 sides of a coin

[MariaR]

Join the jaack vote for a townblock!

[MariaR]

Jaack is town. Why not hop over to the Hoopla wagon?

You're on the wagon so no ty

[MariaR]

Join the jaack vote for a townblock!

I care more about lynching scum, hence the hoopla vote!

Wow we have the same sight in mind!
So why is your vote not on jaack or BV?

[MariaR]

Join the jaack vote for a townblock!

I care more about lynching scum, hence the hoopla vote!

Wow we have the same sight in mind!
So why is your vote not on jaack or BV?

Do you believe both Victor's and Sotty's claims?

I believe Scotty
Victors I'm iffy on and if that mason partner doesn't show up with in a time frame I'll tunnel harder then anyone's ever seen

[MariaR]

Cause the way I see it, with at least 2 town masons and a town tracker (this is the one I don't believe) in a 13 player game, I have to assume scum must be loaded with power. At least 2 scum with night actions (kill and at least one other), yet this group goes after the one player that Sotty tracked doing nothing.

Yeah, jack is not likely scum.

Isn't maifa with another kill like vig bastard or am I misunderstanding what you're saying

[MariaR]

And as for your other choice, I still strongly town read BV. His reads may be all over the place, but that is town effort (not very easily fakeable).

See this I agree with that he's putting effort but I feel some of it is LAMIST with those theory crafts his reads are also very dif to mine so it's hard to tr him but not impossible

[MariaR]

IAI can you try to show me a game or give me an example on the dif between town and scum effort because I feel mostly everyone puts effort in the game for me an example of town effort would be your "every vote thing" like if scum did that you're a tryhard.

[MariaR]

Cause the way I see it, with at least 2 town masons and a town tracker (this is the one I don't believe) in a 13 player game, I have to assume scum must be loaded with power. At least 2 scum with night actions (kill and at least one other), yet this group goes after the one player that Sotty tracked doing nothing.

Yeah, jack is not likely scum.

Isn't maifa with another kill like vig bastard or am I misunderstanding what you're saying

Well I already linked to one normal game earlier where I was part of a 2 player scum team and we had a vig. But in my comment, I was thinking more like a rolecop/vanilla cop, or roleblocker that would have a night action as well. something more than an a passive role like encryptor.

Ahhh I thought you meant just killing power.
Did that 2 scum have a lot of pr's for town I would hope not cause that's really really bad

[MariaR]

See I can't tell if you mean effort for scum hunting or like effort in general because you don't really need to fake effort as scum because I would assume scum normally try harder then town

[MariaR]

Votecount 2.07

Hoopla (4)

goodmorning , I Am Innocent , Creature , BlackVoid L-2 ,

Jaack (3)

Raskolnikov , MariaR , Hoopla ,

Jaack (4)

Raskolnikov , MariaR , CloudKicker , Hoopla L-2 ,

Creature (2)

VictorDeAngelo , Sotty7 ,

Sotty7 (1)

Jaack ,

Not Voting (1)

CloudKicker ,

Day two deadline is Friday November 18, 1 PM PST. (expired on 2016-11-18 13:00:00)

VictorDeAngelo, goodmorning, Jaack, I Am Innocent have been prodded.

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch!

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I had Hoopia as a null town but given the way the wagons are turning out and 2 of the people I can see myself lynching black and Creature it makes me feel like that jumped on the wagon to save their scum buddy jack It's not really Hoopia's actions themselves that makes me tr them I would have to look in detail more

[MariaR]

Also IAIs first content is to setup speculate. Poorly, since mafia vigs are explicitly non-normal.

Yeah nice call genius.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=63370

Mafia Vigilante
Mafia Backup Vigilante
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Doctor
Town 2-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard
Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Friendly Neighbor
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Whoever reviewed this should feel bad.

[MariaR]

Rask and Cloud are my 2 biggest tr's and I'm gonna assume there's 3 scum let's just SAY hoopia is scum and jaack is town I feel like scum would just easily go onto this wagon I already feel like scum are on the Hoopia wagon that's why it isn't hammered

[MariaR]

I'm keeping that bad reads quote for when black and Creature flip scum and rubbing it in your face

[MariaR]

Rask and Cloud are my 2 biggest tr's and I'm gonna assume there's 3 scum let's just SAY hoopia is scum and jaack is town I feel like scum would just easily go onto this wagon I already feel like scum are on the Hoopia wagon that's why it isn't hammered

Yeah agree on Cloud. Rask I go back and forth on. I feel like he is just posting what I want to hear sometimes...

I feel like Rask how prob the best early game and it was really...rasky? the posting just seems like rask to me cause I've played with town rask twice and this just screams it to me
I thing I have trouble on is if I have some type of meta on a read and people don't get it right away/sr or (or tr it if it's scum meta) I'm like "oh this is easy you don't get it you're scum"

[MariaR]

Let me go grab the 2 town rask games I'm talking about

[MariaR]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68380
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=67805
(Also a town game and scum game from me if you wanna try and meta me I guess)

[MariaR]

I'm keeping that bad reads quote for when black and Creature flip scum and rubbing it in your face

It's possible Michel (now Creature) was the scum parked on Grey's L-2 wagon instead of Sotty, but I don't think so. I think Sotty was the early vote on it, Hoopla was the late scum wagon joiner, and one other scum stayed clear.

you know if I was a good person this is the part where I'd go back and look at who started the grey/bbt wagon but I'm not.

[MariaR]

So you've played two town games with me so far, the one with transcend and deathnote, what is ur read on me?

I forgot the transcend one o-o But I do remember you were a lot more active
I had you in the "you could be scum if I'm just wrong on everything" list (had a few ppl in that)
But I think you're town now from what I said before games aside

[MariaR]

Rask and Cloud are my 2 biggest tr's and I'm gonna assume there's 3 scum let's just SAY hoopia is scum and jaack is town I feel like scum would just easily go onto this wagon I already feel like scum are on the Hoopia wagon that's why it isn't hammered

You tr me becausei voted jack and jack foses me ?

I tr you because if you were mafia I'd find out in 3 posts joey

[MariaR]

Creature you called me scum then when I went at you
you called me town
now that I back off I'm scum again
kk
Creature or Jaack are our lynch today since everyone's up BV's ***

[MariaR]

Oh right, I wanted to pretend you were town and see the results, but then I ended forgetting about that.

[MariaR]

Jaack you want more fine first of all that vote you made was opportunistic as fuck "I was kinda okay with a Hoopia wagon" nanana you're just voting it to save your own ass you only pop up when it's convenient for you and you've coasted a hella ton this game the fact your wagon has so much fight to it shows that Hoop is a counter wagon

[MariaR]

Jaack you are 100% right I can think of no reason why you didn't hop on the Grey wagon that's the one thing that stumps me
Should I have more on you? Not everything you do is scummy me looking at your posts trying to nitpick every little thing would be stupid of me

[MariaR]

FFs am I always gonna be on the wrong wagon

[MariaR]

i s i t r e a l l y t h a t h a r d t o l y n c h s c u m ?

[MariaR]

Jaack you want more fine first of all that vote you made was opportunistic as fuck "I was kinda okay with a Hoopia wagon" nanana you're just voting it to save your own ass you only pop up when it's convenient for you and you've coasted a hella ton this game the fact your wagon has so much fight to it shows that Hoop is a counter wagon

I get what you're saying, but the only other viable wagon right now is himself. What do you really expect him to do?

Going to double check I won't be hammering Jaack before I move my vote over.

If he had a sr on Hoopia before I would understand or if he outright said "I'm voting this because I have to" I would understand that too
no he was like "I kinda had a feeling this was scum anyway" like he needs to justify it I don't like that it's like "kinda had a feeling hoopia is scum" that was out of no where
If jaack ever hinted that he had a sr on hoopia please show me

[MariaR]

The fact people are letting BV live shocks me to the core

and @GM you're right but there's also a cool jack wagon and I like both

[MariaR]

I've never been so close to faking a guilty in my LIFE

[MariaR]

The reason BV is townread is because he doesn't make sense is what I'm getting from this

[MariaR]

BV's sr on me is because were on opposite everything not because of my reasoning but because it's just because I disagree with him
I've tried to figure out why he sr's the people he does and I don't agree
he hasn't asked me once why I sr any of the people I do

[MariaR]

Everyone who keeps saying vote scoty will be met with the end of my fist

[MariaR]

Everyone who keeps saying vote scoty will be met with the end of my fist

^ To lynch after a Sotty7 scumflip.

Good thing Scoty is never flipping!

[MariaR]

Scum has wanted scoty dead the whole game and it's very clear once again the nightkill doesn't make sense for scum scoty plus she's a pr and the fact everyone is iching to vote her makes it even more obv there just scared

[MariaR]

H O W D O E S A N Y O N E T R BLACKVOID PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME

[MariaR]

Vc to be posted eventually, but it was a lynch.

Votecount 1.Final

GreyICE (7)

Sotty7 , VictorDeAngelo , I Am Innocent , Hoopla , BlackVoid , Creature , Raskolnikov LYNCH!,

VictorDeAngelo (4)

goodmorning , GreyICE , MariaR , Jaack ,

Sotty7 (1)

TwoFace ,

Not Voting (1)

CloudKicker ,

Day one deadline is Thursday November 3, 8 AM PST. (expired on 2016-11-03 08:00:00)

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch!

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The scum on this wagon are Creature and BV

[MariaR]

The scum on this wagon are Creature and BV

Why exactly?

Scum don't wanna draw attention on themselves but they don't mind putting it in hammer range
I have tr's on everyone else on the wagon besides victor but mason claim
I don't get the BV tr never will
Creature has been all over the place not able to explain reads and has been inconsistent as fuck

[MariaR]

My fav part in BV's read list is he says Creature is consistent when that's an out right lie

It's easy to make a townread up as scum on town because you know there town and it's a given to be able to see a few posts and make something up it
What is hard is to come up with a scumread on someone
What's even harder is making up a townread on your partner when you know there scum

[MariaR]

In an ideal world I'd actually lynch either GM or cloud and let sotty and jaack sort itself out in massclaim, but neither seems viable.

Usually I agree with this line of approach with regards to sorting claims out, but there is a risk of a Sotty-scum situation where a Mason is NK'ed tonight, then Sotty fakeclaims a guilty tomorrow. If you follow it and are wrong it leads the game to a 2:3 lylo with no info D3 and D4 as people were automatically following a claim/counterclaim scenario. That endgame would be highly favourable for scum imo, particularly when the town's reads have been quite polarised.

The fun part is were gonna lose anyone when I get nightkilled and BV laughs away in his scumchat

[MariaR]

I want a giant case on me BV try your very best to get me lynched give me all you got
I haven't seen you push s h i t and I wanna see what you can do
come at me

[MariaR]

BV is reading Creature as town because I am reading him as scum. That's what it looks like to me right now away. There is little logic behind the read and why I think it shows he is locked in a tunnel on me which means he is more than likely town.

Maria, you really think Scum would tunnel in so hard right now? I don't see it.

When scum are running low on options and are close to getting lynched they'll do anything.

[MariaR]

Also the "would scum tunnel this hard" argument is huge wifom
Pedit: You don't think I know this?????????
Jack could get lynched
Maybe Creature too

I like both of those and will happily sheep them

[MariaR]

I think if I can get Creature lynched and he flips red people will finally wake up to BV scum

Can we lynch Creature?

[MariaR]

Scum don't wanna draw attention on themselves but they don't mind putting it in hammer range

I feel like BlackVoid has been very involved and putting himself in the limelight in critical situations, like around claim time and late wagon votes. To me he is drawing a lot of attention to himself. Also, him reaching out to me and trying to get me back in the game and providing content felt town motivated when he easily could have lurked and let me be lynched. But no, he is drawing attention to himself and trying to rally alternate wagons now when an easy mislynch in me is available.

I don't agree with all his reads, but I think this would be a particularly creative variety of deception if he is scum.

Can I get quotes cause I have no idea what game you're reading

[MariaR]

Can I get quotes cause I have no idea what game you're reading

You're critical of BlackVoid putting the Grey wagon within lynch range on D1 whilst ignoring he was on the wagon to begin with, unvoted him and was highly active at a very unstable period of the game when Grey was trying to save himself, considered options elsewhere, and then

revoted

Grey again. His play was absolutely in the limelight and looked like he was trying to figure out what was going on and what to do.

Today, he's reached out to me in my eleventh hour and is trying to rally a lynch elsewhere. Again, what's the point of doing that when I'm an easy mislynch up for grabs.

He's usually active and having his voice heard in critical stages of the game like this, which I think is a town mindset, as scum will often sit back and evaluate their options and won't often flip-flop and try to move the wave of momentum elsewhere (especially when it's moving it away from a townie, like he has with Grey and now me). It's risky and creative as scum to not sit back and accept mislynches when they fall into your lap, because you won't always get townread for it (exhibit A: your view of BV now) and risks opening the door to a chaotic scramble where scum could be lynched instead.

You're lowish hanging fruit I'd say why wouldn't he try and get a vote on another town going this can play out for any scum and it's very like

*Scum switches wagon to another player and lynches it or gets it to claim and it flips town*
Scum: oh well guess I was wrong! *goes back on first wagon*

[MariaR]

I can't wait for the deadline lynch that's gonna end up in chaos when we would've just all agreed creature or jack should die

VOTE: Creature
How about this

[MariaR]

I should?
The only scum game I've seen you play is walking dead in a hydra and something smart was the dominant hydra head

[MariaR]

I have seen your town play though and this isn't it.

[MariaR]

something smart was the dominant hydra head

Conclusion?

You barely said anything for me to give a bases on what your play is as scum.

[MariaR]

reckless.

[MariaR]

You seemed a lot more sure of yourself when I played with you as town this Creature seems very inconsistent and doesn't really know where he stands

[MariaR]

I think you're most likely to be BV's partner aswell as I already stated since he's my top scumread I don't buy that you were just pretending to townread me because I don't see any town motivation in that

[MariaR]

I wanted to push myself to think you're town. If you are, not sure where you are.

What makes me hard to read when you caught my hydra as scum quite easily?
(I blame my hydra for getting me caught )

[MariaR]

You had a scumread on me before you even investigated the slot though

[MariaR]

L E T S V O T E T H I S O R J A C K G U Y S

[MariaR]

I'll jump on any wagon that isn't Scoty Rask Cloud or Hoopia at this point.

[MariaR]

guess I'm nling!

[MariaR]

I'm having this feeling MariaR is gambiting, not sure why.

Tell me what gambiting is again please I've heard it so many times and the tldr I get from it is making a stupid play.

[MariaR]

It's so frustrating when you feel like you got the game solved but you need people to listen you first

It's like trying to show your friends you saw a ghost but it keeps going away when they go to look and call you crazy

Pedit: That's like anti mafia maria have you seen me play????

[MariaR]

I don't think I've played a single scum game without busing besides open 646 because when I tried Killthestory kicked my ass lol

[MariaR]

Sell me on Scoty scum cause rn I'm at the point where if Scoty is scum I'm jumping out my window

The claim makes sense the kill doesn't make sense for scum scoty and the track is...okay?

[MariaR]

Hoopia is only in the townblock because Hoopia is the counter wagon to jaack the scum

[MariaR]

Creature if I get this right

you don't scumread me I'm just hard to read
do you see how I have an issue with understanding that given your actions toward me this game and how you've called me scum then town then scum now hard to read ?

[MariaR]

Rask I'ma slap you

[MariaR]

I've done ate like that all the time you didn't have a problem with it rwtwete3e3

The only problem I had with that is it was said under Pressure if it was said when Hoopia had like no votes on it it'd be good

[MariaR]

I tend to tr ate posts if there not under pressure I don't tr ate posts if there at like L-1 or something

(even though I do the exact same thing sadly)

PEDIT : FK OFFFF

[MariaR]

Victordeangelo has been prodded.

I want a mass claim tomorrow for this "mason buddy" btw before I go all in and tunnel this to the ground

[MariaR]

I'd lynch gm but only to protect my other tr's when I think gm is flipping town lol

[MariaR]

SCOTTY IS TOWN AND WHEN SHE FLIPS TOWN TRACKER I'M GONNA GET NKED AND SCREAM TO HELL IN BACK IN THE DEAD THREAD

VOTE: Jaack VOTE:

@Creature you jaack BV

[MariaR]

VOTE: Jaack

[MariaR]

I wish I did cause I loved the games <3

[MariaR]

I like how BV says tracker is to much invest power when that's an outright lie

[MariaR]

I hate that were lynching town 2 days in a row regardless lol

[MariaR]

I have work yall do w/e I won't stop this anymore

[MariaR]

The twoface nightkill doesn't point to scoty at all Twoface was well townread and it's a kill that seems to risky for scum scotty

[MariaR]

SCUM HAS THERE **** SO FAR UP ALL YOUR ASS WERE GONNA LOSE THIS

[MariaR]

Cloud for once I agree with you this is new

[MariaR]

No one has made a solid case or anything for me to even look at it's just a "oh scoty is scum" jack needs death and then we move on

[MariaR]

I made a big ass post about rask and she just ignored me and didnt project town to me even once in our exchange, shes a way better lynch

You're wrong the only good lynches are Creature Jack and BV with a gm lynch if we have to

[MariaR]

Good point

I don't see how any town is like "we have an invest pr uncc'd and it's not mass claim?" TIME TO LYNCH

[MariaR]

We could lynch maria.

I'd love to see anyone try.

[MariaR]

"Hey bv, remember 1843 when i appealed to you as town before you ego lazy ego lynch the sole investigative claim in the game? That was totally dope lol"

I think what you are missing that Masons are a pretty powerful role that serve a similar purpose (to confirm people as town). It's unlikely that there are both Masons and a tracker, even more unlikely that the one person we pressured managed to be one of the only other PRs in the game, even more unlikely that N1, Sotty7 checked Jaack and her other nemesis TwoFace was killed. If we are to believe Sotty7, we have to believe a whole host of unlikely events all snowballed up here. Then we have Sotty7's play itself which I've had no reason to townread all game.

How is any of this unlikely?

I think the mason claim depends on what type of masons there are but we shouldn't be asking thus question

[MariaR]

You basically just said why the twoface kill is used to frame Scoty

[MariaR]

If mafia wanted Sotty7 lynched, letting TwoFace push that lynch is much simpler than trying to "frame" her. TwoFace's major scumreads have been Sotty7, Hoopla, and MariaR. You are arguing that they both are town. So, it seems like you are saying that every one of his reads were wrong and you are all being framed which is nuts.

Not true I don't even remember two having a sr on me I think everyone knew that twoface was scoty's main pusher

"Why not leave twoface alive to push scoty then"
Good question Maybe to defend scoty for towncred would be my best answer but the only people defending scoty are me and cloud who I tr so *shrug*

[MariaR]

If the wagon comes down to rask Scoty my vote is fairly obv

[MariaR]

I doubt that claim but *shrug* I'm getting to a point where it's "fuck this town"

[MariaR]

Rask you're acting just like 1820 can you just take a step back ffs -_-

[MariaR]

Rask you're acting just like 1820 can you just take a step back ffs -_-

Can't be bothered. I could have lurked this day or just stuck on GM vanity style like a stubborn mule, but I go out of my way to reach out and try to get agreement and compromise and people just hate me for it.

How do you think I feel when everyone's telling me my reads are wrong and I feel so strong on it

[MariaR]

How do you think I feel when everyone's telling me my reads are wrong and I feel so strong on it

Still think your reads are horrendous if you're town.

And my point is provenn

[MariaR]

I bet if Scoty claimed innocent child yall would've still voted her lmfao

[MariaR]

not lynching gm for 1912 alone.

[MariaR]

I hate you all zzz

[MariaR]

....Well fuck me

[MariaR]

Is it time to talk about Maria meta

I'ma have to go read scoty cause I had it as auto town sweet jesus

the fact it was a goon is the thing that shocks me the most

[MariaR]

I'm gonna wait and see if a event happens and if it does (and I'm very sure it will) I think I'll know a scum

Pedit: Why are you looking at Cloud and Gm when I voted with scoty don't i look the worst?

[MariaR]

Creature would you be willing to vote gm if a gm bw started

[MariaR]

Creature would you be willing to vote gm if a gm bw started

I'll aim for the bw not be on town.

So that's a no dam my test failed.

[MariaR]

I think Arona, BV, creature, and jaack could and should just form a townbloc and lynch everything else. 4/4 excluding me, 4/5 including me.

This is awful and you should feel awful

[MariaR]

I have 0 right to say that and yet I still will

[MariaR]

VOTE: Creature
1v1 me

[MariaR]

Last game it was meta early on and then sheeping and shaky setup speculation for the latter half.

MY META WAS GREAT
I sheeped because I thought it was a guilty
and my set up spec was okay ;-;

[MariaR]

Like, you've scumread all my townreads and at one point said "never lynching" about each person in my scumpool.

Well that really must suck doesn't it!

[MariaR]

I think re reading wagons and partner interactions are the easy way to find scum it's what I tried to do last game and failed.
but I got it this time
BV is still scum who I will forever push until I die or get lynched

[MariaR]

But why?

Why do you keep asking me why when I've explained in detail many times before.
This is also one of the first times you've even shown interest in my input in reads what's up.

[MariaR]

I don't get people's tr on BV and I never will I don't even mainly sr him for having reads that are opposite to mine it's the reasoning and intent behind said reads and I find his trash
he's also the best person to be Creature's buddy so we got that going for us

[MariaR]

I took a step back and night and was rethinking if I was wrong about BV because he was one of (if not) the biggest pusher of the Scoty wagon and he was

extremly

sure about it and then I got to thinking why was he so sure and not the least bit iffy on a tracker claim?
Because he knew it wasn't real in the first place is my biggest guess
I already explained the reason why I think Creature is his partner is it's hard to make up good townreads on your partners and he said something that is not true and is a blatant lie and that's "Creature is consistent" and that's not true at all I've seen town Creature

[MariaR]

and it's also a kind of unfair to judge you super harshly every game just because you fooled me once.

Can you go in more detail on this?

[MariaR]

What makes you tr either of those slots if you also don't mind me asking

[MariaR]

Not to disrail what's going on here with Maria et al, but I think Cloud is the right lynch today.

His actions surrounding sotty's claim are highly suspect. He gives intent to hammer her, but backtracks after I unvote and start questioning him about his vote, saying he never really intended to hammer her. Then sotty comes in and claims anyway? At L-2? It feels like that was a scum scheme gone awry. Cloud didn't vote for Sotty to put her back at L-1 in case I had a twitchy trigger finger and hammered in spite of her claim.

I was pretty confused by that turn of the events, but it makes more sense after the end of D2 when cloud basically hard defended sotty on the virtue of her claim alone.

VOTE: CloudKicker

I'm more willing to lynch Maria today than I was D2, primarily because she was the only non-sotty person who brought up the idea that the twoface kill framed sotty. Could have been a scum talking point, since the twoface nk was not a traditional choice with a claimed mason out there. I wouldn't be opposed to lynching her, but my priority is cloud. It's possible she's been subverting site meta by hardtownreading her partners or it's possible she's just been wrong about everything.

I didn't expect !scumscoty to kill someone that directly points to her when she was already under the heat of fire day 1

[MariaR]

Our last game, I gave you a lot of trouble the entire game over that paranoia and you ended up town anyways, and I wondered if I would give you a hard time every game just because I personally messed up once. The problem is when you're actually town you're huge lynchbait, so it's kind of a dilemma. So I try to hold off and give you some breathing room until there's something substantial to talk about.

I never understand why I'm lynch bait when I'm very obv town when I flip town on my home site and really trash scum when I flip it
on this site it's the other way around wtewyeeyws

[MariaR]

Btw now that I can talk about this
not willing to lynch Cloud but my townread on him has gone down after modding a mini normal and watching his scum game.

[MariaR]

I was about to give a reads list but then I was like "I can see myself voting everyone here if I was given the right case"
the only people I don't want to vote are rask cloud lmfao

[MariaR]

I think scum either have a tracker or Jaack is scotty's buddy the former is more likely though.

[MariaR]

idk how people see me gm but then again I don't see how people see me with any team so #bias

[MariaR]

Actually, who brought up the NKA first again?

wtf is NKA

[MariaR]

I've never played with Hoopia

[MariaR]

I didn't, but I heard scum fear her.

Not sure about MariaR.

Why tf would scum fear hoopia of all people
I just assume this means when hoopia is town she's rly good

At least I know when I'm scum people fear me (B

Pedit: You'd be right

[MariaR]

Okay, are you fine with Claudio?

My tr on Cloud went down after seeing his scum game but not enough that I'd lynch him over prob half this playlist lol.

[MariaR]

WOO GO GM!

[MariaR]

I'm going to chime in in a bit but in the meantime, does anyone want to comment on why I'm still alive? In fact, I'd like everyone's comments on that. I was obviously right about Sotty7 which means I'm very likely wrong about someone else. I want to hear thoughts on who that could be.

b e c a u s e y o u r r o l e p m i s r e d

[MariaR]

How the fuck do you mason slip

[MariaR]

That isn't a thing

[MariaR]

1999 2000
IAI came into the day with quotes, which looked like a scum pt slip. But in retrospect can come as easily from mason pt.

You're such a TRYHARD
god I just thought Iai was killed cause a few ppl tr the guy or something

[MariaR]

Hello fellow townies! Sure is great we got that scum lynched yesterday huh?

ewwwwww

[MariaR]

Cloud you put more effort in this game then you do your math homework wtf

[MariaR]

Okay wtf I take offense to that remark ;-;

[MariaR]

Why are all my tr's scumreads this is AWFUL...but then again I said this about Scoty so

hides

[MariaR]

Creature I've never seen you change your townplay wtf

I'll claim after blackvoid the mafia but none other then that.

[MariaR]

Yeah, when the game has ended you become a great scum hunter.

HA

[MariaR]

^ this isn't scum

[MariaR]

Raskol, I've seen you weighing up the validity of a variety of different scumteams today, but you've not mentioned Creature at all, which I don't get. What did he do that was town enough to exclude him from your PoE?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[MariaR]

I hate you all.

[MariaR]

Otherwise I wouldn't have coasted to MyLo in The Walking Dead Season Finale mafia.

YO FFFF YOU I DIDN'T THINK BOTH THE TOP WAGONS ON DAY 1 WOULD BE SCUM -_-

[MariaR]

Maybe you should see if what Rask is saying is true, I have a lot of games you can check.

Not everyone can fake town meta.

Cold meta is less than useless and self-meta is not reassuring in the slightest.

--

@Maria: That's why I don't like wagon analysis.

>.> fair point

[MariaR]

Yall are just gonna let Blackvoid scum win this game and nothing I can say will change it and I've basically given up the fact
Yup I hard defended scum hang me at the stake!
This is the most aggravating game I've ever been in

[MariaR]

Creature and BV will forever be my 2 scumreads and if you lynch me I want SOMEONE to promise me they'll at least think outside the fucking box no one has told me why BV is town and I have given clear reason on both being scum and I feel like I'm talking to brick walls
because everyone thinks my reads are bad so you just dismiss me there's srsly no point in me doing anything.

[MariaR]

Okay, I'll double check my role PM if you flip town. I promise.

<3333

[MariaR]

BV is town for what? Pushing on Scoty already derailed this theory also he's pushing for claims from people

BV you didn't even care when Scoty claimed pr so what's the dif with cloud is it because you know this is town this time?

[MariaR]

MariaR is the one I have no reason to believe is town so that's who I'd be most comfortable lynching. Saying you, me, and Jaack are scum is a pretty big stretch and I'm closer to thinking she's doing it to get towncred than because she actually buys what she's selling. There's also that D1 behavior where she complained about the GreyICE wagon (why is there no counterwagon? Is no one bothered???) Then TwoFace point-blank told her that Sotty7 was the counterwagon that was stalling. She didn't react to him and then moved onto Victor. But I haven't finished ISO'ing her either so more on this soon.

There was no counter wagon and then one on victor started so I got on it because I had a pretty decent sr on the slot if you want to out right tell me being worried that everyone was okay with a grey lynch was wrong then you can kiss my ass. Twoface said Scoty was the counter wagon and I ignored him because he was the only one voting Scoty so what he said was irrelevant at that point to me

[MariaR]

If I'm not mistaken the Scotty wagon wasn't going anywhere because those 3 votes were on there for a LONG time so it looked like no one else would join the wagon that's what those posts meant.

[MariaR]

Could've also just joined the Grey wagon at any time but that's leaning more towards my scum play

[MariaR]

Well Rask voted Victor so in my mind I was like "oh hey a wagon I don't dislike this wagon" so I voted with it.

[MariaR]

Did I vote victor first? I don't remember

Also why would I make things up it's simply me not remembering let me go check.

[MariaR]

Oh shit I did

[MariaR]

DON'T BLAME ME FOR NOT REMEMBERING SOMETHING WTEZYTEZSYESX4Y4

[MariaR]

Why should it?
It's made a few of my townreads stronger but Blackvoids play the day before doesn't match up with what he's doing today

[MariaR]

The only person that the Scoty flip got me to rethink is Jaack

Pedit: I did think of it because I thought rask voted before me If I was scum I don't need to make up a fucking thought process like a tryhard

kiss my ass and get lynched so I can clear myself ty

[MariaR]

Well, when you have BV/creature scum for CWing jaack and BV pushing mislynch onto sotty, and then sotty flips and then have BV scum as bussing sotty and creature for other stuff it's like eh.

When you put it like that I sound like a moron

[MariaR]

BV's logic doesn't make SENSE
he was okay with pushing socty regardless of the tracker claim yeah?
So question why the unvote and "okay" from Cloud when cloud does even worse and just claims pr

Answer: Bv pushed on his partner for towncred and unvoted cloud because cloud is town.

[MariaR]

GM, Hoopla or MariaR.

Bite me.

[MariaR]

Cloud claimed pr and that's all I wanted to do now I want to go fish other claims.

Sotty7 was a different case. I did switch to Hoopla after she claimed. I did explore options for most of the day. At the end of the day, decided that Sotty7 was the most likely scum after all and pushed for her lynch.

fixed.

[MariaR]

Rask convince me why I shouldn't punch half this player list in the face ty

[MariaR]

BV's logic doesn't make SENSE
he was okay with pushing socty regardless of the tracker claim yeah?
So question why the unvote and "okay" from Cloud when cloud does even worse and just claims pr

Answer: Bv pushed on his partner for towncred and unvoted cloud because cloud is town.

Why does this apply more to BV than anyone else on the wagon, or especially Jaack?

Because he's the only one who unvoted.

[MariaR]

I don't see anyone else jumping ship even if I want them too
others are pressuring him for a full claim as they should be
BV is just suddenly okay with it

[MariaR]

That logic actually isn't bad, even if I don't agree with the conclusion.

WTF THIS IMPLIES YOU WERE EXPECTING BAD LOGIC
...Bully

[MariaR]

Hoopia > GM >Cloud

[MariaR]

the only reason GM is after hoopia is because there sheeping my creature sr

[MariaR]

no rask that's you.

[MariaR]

Though it does make me a lil nervous you felt like qualifying that GM one tho.

It was mostly because Hoopia/GM are at the same point for me and I'm only willing to lynch hoopia first out of bias

[MariaR]

Joey wtf are you on I've never seen you try this hard before

[MariaR]

I'M TOWN BB DON'T WORRY now sheep me

[MariaR]

This game reminds me of space mafia and I hate it

[MariaR]

Calling the council of not dumb players to analyse 2236.

Feels to me like Maria has decided BV is scum and is looking for reasons to scumread him.

But to resond more specifically, I don't see why BV would have to bus sorry for towncred when he was the most consensus town player there was at the time. Sotty's lynch wasn't inevitable at the time so it's not like he had to move on it to mantain those townreads.

I mean the first part isn't wrong...in fact it's kinda obvious

[MariaR]

unvote

Leaning toward maria atm

What for.

[MariaR]

@creature:

BV's logic doesn't make SENSE
he was okay with pushing socty regardless of the tracker claim yeah?
So question why the unvote and "okay" from Cloud when cloud does even worse and just claims pr

Answer: Bv pushed on his partner for towncred and unvoted cloud because cloud is town.

If BV already has towncred, why not push for cloud to be lynched regardless? How would unvoting cloud benefit scum!BV?

Besides, different contexts as far as I can tell. Today there seems to be a bit of a town voting bloc forming, or at least everyone references it and many people are townreading each other, and through PoE there's realistically only a couple people who can be lynched today at this point (you, GM, hoopla, cloud before the claim). I think most people are voting off of townreads and not scumreads (correct me if I'm wrong), so changing wagons is different.

Day 2 seemed to be more confusing and BV seemed to be pushing based on an actual scumread, as did other people. Comment on this if y'all want, since I wasn't there.

Also, how is a tracker claiming with an empty result any more of a towntell than just claiming PR? I'm serious here.

The thing is if BV wasn't okay with a tracker claim why is he okay with an empty pr claim I think a lot of the sr on me is because I sr people inside the townblock and that's not gonna randomly stop people act like the scoty flip should just insta change my reads and it won't yes I hard defended Scoty but I thought they were town because my biggest sr's were on the wagon and I didn't understand the whole sr I don't regret it hell I don't regret any of my play this game
If I'm going to be lynched because of poe I can be okay with that
I can't be okay with going down for being scummy because to me I wasn't I was wrong everyone is at points

[MariaR]

Show me quotes for the BV towntell please.

[MariaR]

If I'm scummy for pushing in the townblock I'll forever be scummy and yeah you should lynch me but otherwise *shrug*

[MariaR]

That's honestly not how I play as scum no need to risk hard defending a goon
VT btw

[MariaR]

I could give a whole playbook on what I'd do as scum but that's shameless self meta wifom go ahead and lynh me I guess

[MariaR]

Can yall at least look into BV when I'm lynched all I ask lol

[MariaR]

At least I didn't ate too badly for one game
I still think yall need to rethink the town block I'm keeping my vote where it is but I'm content with being lynched
@Clear I'm not Cloud.

[MariaR]

I'd never in my life quickhammer Cloud

[MariaR]

That's honestly not how I play as scum no need to risk hard defending a goon
VT btw

Why did you claim?

Felt like it.
Plus if it really is a game of poe don't need to be scared of lynching me.

[MariaR]

Not like I'm ever gonna be a night kill in this game lol

[MariaR]

joey ffs just claim even I'm getting slightly annoyed with you x)

[MariaR]

BV you're scumreading me for not remembering something pls my brain doesn't care to think about every fact that goes into this game I just think of something and post and if someone requests something of me I'll do it.

[MariaR]

I wanna win and I'ma do it my way cause my way is fun to me and the bottom line is this games for fun eh? ^_^

[MariaR]

BV you're scumreading me for not remembering something pls my brain doesn't care to think about every fact that goes into this game I just think of something and post and if someone requests something of me I'll do it.

Fun fact: I once replaced into an Open and forgot what the setup was.

Then I was scumread to the end of time for it.

(I was not Scum.)

That's funny as fk tbh It's NAI cause it's something anyone can fake (then again you can fake basically anything)
I one time had no idea what any of the roles in the draft were and when I was asking everyone I get sr for it
I was not scum just a very dumb person x)

[MariaR]

By the way, if Cloud doesn't claim in his next post, anyone that hammers him will be considered

confirmed town

in my book tomorrow and I won't entertain their lynch.

Intent!

[MariaR]

Is there ever a point where you can get to much town cred?
I don't think with the way the game was going would there ever have not been a Scoty lynch. The way I was defending Scoty also helps BV SO MUCH because me as his main pusher he'd have the perfect reason to go after me "Oh Maria defended Scoty get her!"

[MariaR]

TEAM APPLE BLOCK!!!!

[MariaR]

BV's tried to threaten throw shade at everyone when there not hammering cloud and then tries to backtrack early on about it holy shit can this guy eat rope yet?

[MariaR]

Joey vote Creature rn

[MariaR]

Joey vote Creature rn

Nudes first

I WILL PUNCH YOU JOEY

[MariaR]

wait a BV wagon is legit HOLY SHIT IT MUST BE CHRISTMAS MORNING
VOTE: BV

[MariaR]

Despite everything I said, one of GM or Maria with hoopla is looking a little more reasonable than GM+Maria acting in the exact same fashion this past while as team >_>

Your reads are bad Rask stop it

[MariaR]

*grabs popcorn*

[MariaR]

son of a bitch OKAY

[MariaR]

Hey maria!

Why does scum-BV risk antagonising me right after you/gm and sort-of-cloud push him?
What benefit does that give over just lynching GM if gm was actually town?

He seems to be in a bit of a panic now that he has an actual chance of getting lynched seems like a reach if you ask me but that's the best answer I can come up with otherwise I don't know

[MariaR]

Did you actually read it?

Yes! But I mostly forgot what it said

[MariaR]

That's me with everything now that I think about it...

[MariaR]

me being scum with scoty with that game plan

[MariaR]

Rask you think me and GM are partners yeah?
So you're basically saying I hard defended my scum partner and I'm pushing on other town that's suicidal and I do like suicidal moves those normally have a ton of cop guilty

[MariaR]

Your Creature tr comes from where?

[MariaR]

The problem is even if you're town your reads are so different to mine your continued existence furthers scum agenda. More confident GM is just straight up scum but it'd also apply there.

Go back and read if you want my creature read.

*facedesk* That's blatantly not true but alright.

[MariaR]

people make mistakes in this game not everyone is perfect
I'm saying you shouldn't sr me for my reads alone if you sr my reasoning for the reads THAT I understand