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MariaR Alternatively,
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Also the "would scum tunnel this hard" argument is huge wifom
Pedit: You don't think I know this?????????
Jack could get lynched
Maybe Creature too
I like both of those and will happily sheep themI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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BlackVoid Mafia Scum
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What in your opinion are the major flaws of my 817?In post 1669, Hoopla wrote:
Pseudo-PoE I guess, as I just haven't seen much from him that makes me go, "oh ok, probs town", whereas I have with a handful of others. I know it's too late in the game to not really have any concrete scumreads, but realistically, I feel like many of my scumreads aren't particularly accurate, so voting with people I think are town has been a key factor in my votes.In post 1663, BlackVoid wrote:
Why do you think this?In post 1661, Hoopla wrote:I also think Jack is a decent chance of being scum-
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MariaR Alternatively,
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I think if I can get Creature lynched and he flips red people will finally wake up to BV scum
Can we lynch Creature?I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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I feel like BlackVoid has been very involved and putting himself in the limelight in critical situations, like around claim time and late wagon votes. To me he is drawing a lot of attention to himself. Also, him reaching out to me and trying to get me back in the game and providing content felt town motivated when he easily could have lurked and let me be lynched. But no, he is drawing attention to himself and trying to rally alternate wagons now when an easy mislynch in me is available.In post 1689, MariaR wrote:Scum don't wanna draw attention on themselves but they don't mind putting it in hammer range
I don't agree with all his reads, but I think this would be a particularly creative variety of deception if he is scum.-
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The major flaw of that post is it's too long and you have wildly opposite reads to me, so I find it hard to trust massively constructed cases that are almost certainly tainted with all sorts of biases.In post 1701, BlackVoid wrote:What in your opinion are the major flaws of my 817?-
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BlackVoid Mafia Scum
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I don't want to lynch outside on my four scumreads, at least not today. If I'm wrong on any of them, then yeah I'll go over my townreads again.In post 1688, Raskolnikov wrote:In an ideal world I'd actually lynch either GM or cloud and let sotty and jaack sort itself out in massclaim, but neither seems viable.-
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MariaR Alternatively,
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Can I get quotes cause I have no idea what game you're readingIn post 1703, Hoopla wrote:
I feel like BlackVoid has been very involved and putting himself in the limelight in critical situations, like around claim time and late wagon votes. To me he is drawing a lot of attention to himself. Also, him reaching out to me and trying to get me back in the game and providing content felt town motivated when he easily could have lurked and let me be lynched. But no, he is drawing attention to himself and trying to rally alternate wagons now when an easy mislynch in me is available.In post 1689, MariaR wrote:Scum don't wanna draw attention on themselves but they don't mind putting it in hammer range
I don't agree with all his reads, but I think this would be a particularly creative variety of deception if he is scum.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Raskolnikov Jack of All Trades
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So here's the thing. I've been trying to look to see if there was anyone who had a problem with sotty in a sort of soft-CC kind of way, and pick up the hint that way. But jaack confirms not visiting anywhere which was from sotty and isn't (jaack-pr would just CC I think), BV probably isn't, and no one else really seems to feel strongly. I don't actually see what I would expect if it's fake and that's the concern. I think it's mostly safe to say?-
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Wait, "no result?" I was under the impression that you were saying Jaack went nowhere. There's a difference. Please clarify this.In post 1690, Sotty7 wrote:
How in the hell is it convenient? The reality is I have no actual information on Jaack. If I was scum faking a no result, why wouldn't I just claim it on Twoface? The result is essentially the same. You are completely tunneled on me for no good reason. Every time I challenge you on it, I get ignored. Why is it weak? Why does it sound made up?In post 1662, BlackVoid wrote:What are the odds that the night one kill is one of the two biggest threats to Sotty7 that isn't investigated by Sotty7? Her claim and night action is too convenient for me to believe. Her reasoning for investigating Jaack over TwoFace is really weak and sounds made up.
I don't think you are fake-claiming. I think you are a mafia tracker who tracked Jaack last night.
Your reasoning for picking Jaack basically was that you were the only one scumreading TwoFace. I think if you were town, you'd go for TwoFace over Jaack as you seemed more certain on TwoFace. He was also more widely townread which means he's more likely to perform the kill. Being widely townread also means he's unlikely to get lynched unless he's caught through a night action which is more reason to pick him.
I also think you're acting a little intentionally ignorant. You can clearly see why the nightkill alone as well as the combination of the nightkill and track choice heavily points to you as scum. Instead of admitting that and arguing that you are still town, you are pretending like I'm being completely off my rocker.-
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Sotty7 That Damn Good
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Yeah I got a result saying he went nowhere. Which as a tracker doesn't mean anything really, a different scum could have easily made the kill. So it doesn't clear him but it sure as hell doesn't implicate him either. It's a washIn post 1709, BlackVoid wrote:Wait, "no result?" I was under the impression that you were saying Jaack went nowhere. There's a difference. Please clarify this.
Poor wording on my part, I understand the confusion.-
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You're critical of BlackVoid putting the Grey wagon within lynch range on D1 whilst ignoring he was on the wagon to begin with, unvoted him and was highly active at a very unstable period of the game when Grey was trying to save himself, considered options elsewhere, and thenIn post 1706, MariaR wrote:Can I get quotes cause I have no idea what game you're readingrevotedGrey again. His play was absolutely in the limelight and looked like he was trying to figure out what was going on and what to do.
Today, he's reached out to me in my eleventh hour and is trying to rally a lynch elsewhere. Again, what's the point of doing that when I'm an easy mislynch up for grabs.
He's usually active and having his voice heard in critical stages of the game like this, which I think is a town mindset, as scum will often sit back and evaluate their options and won't often flip-flop and try to move the wave of momentum elsewhere (especially when it's moving it away from a townie, like he has with Grey and now me). It's risky and creative as scum to not sit back and accept mislynches when they fall into your lap, because you won't always get townread for it (exhibit A: your view of BV now) and risks opening the door to a chaotic scramble where scum could be lynched instead.-
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Raskolnikov Jack of All Trades
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why would mafia tracker exist vs masonsIn post 1709, BlackVoid wrote:I don't think you are fake-claiming. I think you are a mafia tracker who tracked Jaack last night.-
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mhsmith0 Balancing Act
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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I've reviewed creature, and mantain a slight townlean there. His posts are lean but I don't really feel much scum coming from them.
I don't want to lynch BV, Rask, or GM today, and a victor lynch is probably a bad idea lathough his utter lack of participation today is pretty disenheartening. Oh yeah, and while Maria is annoying, I'm not interested in that lynch either.
I'm still okay with a Hoopla lynch, but not enthralled.
Sotty and Cloud are the dream lynches.
I could lynch IAI too if we have the support.-
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Hoopla
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For the unpredictable lol-modwifom.In post 1712, Raskolnikov wrote:why would mafia tracker exist vs masons
Not a very likely reason, but some mods do weird design things like that to keep towns on their toes. More likely is a Mafia Role Cop which can provide "went nowhere" results on VT's safely, and also makes more sense in a Mason setup.-
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MariaR Alternatively,
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You're lowish hanging fruit I'd say why wouldn't he try and get a vote on another town going this can play out for any scum and it's very likeIn post 1711, Hoopla wrote:
You're critical of BlackVoid putting the Grey wagon within lynch range on D1 whilst ignoring he was on the wagon to begin with, unvoted him and was highly active at a very unstable period of the game when Grey was trying to save himself, considered options elsewhere, and thenIn post 1706, MariaR wrote:Can I get quotes cause I have no idea what game you're readingrevotedGrey again. His play was absolutely in the limelight and looked like he was trying to figure out what was going on and what to do.
Today, he's reached out to me in my eleventh hour and is trying to rally a lynch elsewhere. Again, what's the point of doing that when I'm an easy mislynch up for grabs.
He's usually active and having his voice heard in critical stages of the game like this, which I think is a town mindset, as scum will often sit back and evaluate their options and won't often flip-flop and try to move the wave of momentum elsewhere (especially when it's moving it away from a townie, like he has with Grey and now me). It's risky and creative as scum to not sit back and accept mislynches when they fall into your lap, because you won't always get townread for it (exhibit A: your view of BV now) and risks opening the door to a chaotic scramble where scum could be lynched instead.
*Scum switches wagon to another player and lynches it or gets it to claim and it flips town*
Scum: oh well guess I was wrong! *goes back on first wagon*I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Sotty7 That Damn Good
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I think the night kill was picked very well by the scum. Combine that with the Grey lynch and ALLLLLL the talk at the end of yesterday that condemned me as scum because of wagons I think they expected today to be very short and end with a nice Sotty lynch. I'm pretty sure why the game has stalled so hard towards the end of the day here, they didn't anticipate my claim and didn't really have a plan B, like at all. I was set up to fail today, why as scum would I do that? I was doing okish going back and forth with Two face, why would scum me risk that kill when it only points back to me? It doesn't point to anyone else in this game, doesn't that ring any bells for you?In post 1709, BlackVoid wrote:I also think you're acting a little intentionally ignorant. You can clearly see why the nightkill alone as well as the combination of the nightkill and track choice heavily points to you as scum. Instead of admitting that and arguing that you are still town, you are pretending like I'm being completely off my rocker.
I won't lie deciding between Jaack and Twoface was hard for me but I was wrong about Grey and nearly everyone in the game that I thought was town told me I was wrong about Twoface which is what tipped me over to Jaack in the end. You would still be here pushing on me if I had picked Twoface because I would have the same result but this time on a dead townie. We're walking down the WIFOM hole here but I was clearly screwed either way.-
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BlackVoid Mafia Scum
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I don't know. Mafia roles don't necessarily need to counter townroles. I can post quotes of mhsmith arguing this point elsewhere.In post 1712, Raskolnikov wrote:
why would mafia tracker exist vs masonsIn post 1709, BlackVoid wrote:I don't think you are fake-claiming. I think you are a mafia tracker who tracked Jaack last night.-
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easy now, nobody likes a braggerIn post 1718, Sotty7 wrote:I think the night kill was picked very well by the scum.-
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Sotty7 That Damn Good
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goodmorning AnySurvivorAny
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but he lookedIn post 1672, MariaR wrote:The fact people are letting BV live shocks me to the core
and @GM you're right but there's also a cool jack wagon and I like bothso townand now he's gone weird but he could just be town descending into madness and i have 0 idea how to read him help
but why
GUYSIn post 1677, Hoopla wrote:Others I'd be willing to vote today would be goodmorning, IAI and now also Sotty if it gets off the ground.
HOW DID I FORGET I TRIED TO START AN IAI WAGON
LET'S DO THAT
Because I don't always use correct grammar and have several unpopular opinions and am getting wishy-washier as the game goes on and thus am an easy wagon?In post 1693, Sotty7 wrote:Are you trying to Flash wagon GM right now Rask? Why?
Or that 10-page case Rask posted on me a little while ago. Possibly that.
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Tunneling is mildly scummy ftr.
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Hop on the wagon and we'll find out!In post 1702, MariaR wrote:Can we lynch Creature?
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guys i am getting really tired of all the nightkill spec when the obvi answer is that 2face was just a pretty universal tr in the wrong place at the wrong timeEFFORT IS NOT INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENTLA during normal working and sleeping hours EST
Get to know a very pleasant AM.-
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goodmorning AnySurvivorAny
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still want to try to make the creature wagon go but holy shit quickwagon sounds pretty awesome too
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Hoopla
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Personally I just don't see scum being the proactive playmakers trying to change the way the wind is blowing when it has already settled on town. I see this sort of play more often from town, and I'm not putting it past BV to be able to do it as scum, I just think it's less likely.In post 1717, MariaR wrote:You're lowish hanging fruit I'd say why wouldn't he try and get a vote on another town going this can play out for any scum and it's very like
*Scum switches wagon to another player and lynches it or gets it to claim and it flips town*
Scum: oh well guess I was wrong! *goes back on first wagon*
Usually the scum template at critical junctures like those are more along the lines of lurking, sitting at the base of wagons (or votes going nowhere), not getting super involved in trying to upset the applecart and just letting townies make the scummy looking L-1 votes and hammers, and then attacking them tomorrow.
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