Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[MariaR]

I wanna win and I'ma do it my way cause my way is fun to me and the bottom line is this games for fun eh? ^_^

[goodmorning]

Analysis of Gamestate:
So basically we're in 2 camps atm, which I'll refer to as apples and oranges because why not.

Apples: GM, Maria, Cloud, Hoopla
Oranges: Rask, Creature, BV, arona, Jaack?

Which means we all know who's getting lynched today.

I don't know where I was going with this. I volunteer as tribute?

I sort of remember where I was going with this. It was something to do with Apples not being as cohesive a group as Oranges in terms of matching reads.

[goodmorning]

BV you're scumreading me for not remembering something pls my brain doesn't care to think about every fact that goes into this game I just think of something and post and if someone requests something of me I'll do it.

Fun fact: I once replaced into an Open and forgot what the setup was.

Then I was scumread to the end of time for it.

(I was not Scum.)

[BlackVoid]

By the way, if Cloud doesn't claim in his next post, anyone that hammers him will be considered

confirmed town

in my book tomorrow and I won't entertain their lynch.

[MariaR]

BV you're scumreading me for not remembering something pls my brain doesn't care to think about every fact that goes into this game I just think of something and post and if someone requests something of me I'll do it.

Fun fact: I once replaced into an Open and forgot what the setup was.

Then I was scumread to the end of time for it.

(I was not Scum.)

That's funny as fk tbh It's NAI cause it's something anyone can fake (then again you can fake basically anything)
I one time had no idea what any of the roles in the draft were and when I was asking everyone I get sr for it
I was not scum just a very dumb person x)

[MariaR]

By the way, if Cloud doesn't claim in his next post, anyone that hammers him will be considered

confirmed town

in my book tomorrow and I won't entertain their lynch.

Intent!

[goodmorning]

By the way, if Cloud doesn't claim in his next post, anyone that hammers him will be considered

confirmed town

in my book tomorrow and I won't entertain their lynch.

guys how are you not voting this?

@Maria: I mean tbqh it's mildly Town-indicative because Scum are rarely that stupid.

[Raskolnikov]

Maria, GM, back to this.

But to resond more specifically, I don't see why BV would have to bus sorry for towncred when he was the most consensus town player there was at the time. Sotty's lynch wasn't inevitable at the time so it's not like he had to move on it to mantain those townreads.

Why does BV as scum bus when already heavily townread? What does he gain from it?

[Raskolnikov]

Assuming that every scum plays the same is worse.

The only assumption I make about 100% of Scum players is that they're not morons.

[Raskolnikov]

I've heard a lot of doubt about him as town doubting the claim but nothing into the scum motivation. With tracker claim and only jaack voting that wagon would not have happened if not for BV, and he gained literally nothing.
Given you both push BV-creature too, that team overall doesn't benefit at all from BV doing this.

[MariaR]

Is there ever a point where you can get to much town cred?
I don't think with the way the game was going would there ever have not been a Scoty lynch. The way I was defending Scoty also helps BV SO MUCH because me as his main pusher he'd have the perfect reason to go after me "Oh Maria defended Scoty get her!"

[Hoopla]

LETS GO TEAM APPLES

VOTE: Creature

[MariaR]

TEAM APPLE BLOCK!!!!

[Hoopla]

Also...

Bringing creature into the lynchpool is extremely necessary if scum don't wish to get PoE'd scorched-earth style.

Why do you think scum need to widen the lynch pool when falsely narrowing it is just as good (if not better)?

[BlackVoid]

Well, I'm convinced Creature is town but I'm not entirely convinced Rask is town. If you want to lynch one of them, you'll have better luck convincing me to lynch Rask.

[goodmorning]

Maria, GM, back to this.

But to resond more specifically, I don't see why BV would have to bus sorry for towncred when he was the most consensus town player there was at the time. Sotty's lynch wasn't inevitable at the time so it's not like he had to move on it to mantain those townreads.

Why does BV as scum bus when already heavily townread? What does he gain from it?

Worry that he might not be if he didn't?

Also:
Just how heavily townread was he really? And how heavily townread did he personally feel? These are questions we can't really know the answer to.

--

Hoopla!

[CloudKicker]

Like i said, not claiming yet, if clear wants a hardclaim he has to ask me directly, bv is obviously scumtelling atm VOTE: BV

[CloudKicker]

Like if anyone believe it would slowroll the fuck out of my claim as mafia while bieng L-1 for roughly 5 pages, yea thats not my scumplay this is like literarily the first time i flip pr in forum mafia (that are finished so i dont get moddkilled lel) so i wont go down without a fight. Id also would like to say that despite this isnt going the way i want, i appreciate this game a lot im still not sure on my scumteam

[CloudKicker]

Apples are the townies that trs eachothers, oranges are mafia who are tred by clears and who is slowly but surely going to get rekt

[BlackVoid]

Alright then, hammer away for infinite towncred tomorrow.

[BlackVoid]

Look, here's the deal. I'm not even very confident that you are scum. If you are town, I just want you to claim so I can assess it and move on to actual scum.

What you are doing is incredibly anti-town. My vote isn't going away until you claim. Unvoting you at this point would be very, very poor play. This is the ideal scenario you are envisioning:

You get run up to L-1 and multiple people ask for a claim.

Your response: Nope, not claiming.

Town's response: Oh okay, that's fine then. We're good.

That's not how it works on any forum I've played at. I haven't played on Epic Mafia so I can't speak for how it's done there. Asking you for a claim is not scumtelling.

One thing you need to realize is that we have a limited number of mislynches (three) before we lose. I'm asking you to please not force us to waste one on you. If you are a PR, you should be one of the clears. One of the people we POE out so our lynches are more accurate. Getting lynched is the worst outcome. Claiming is not the end of the world. You've been happy to declare intent on anyone that's at L-1. There is no way you are getting away without claiming. Please claim ASAP.

Like i said, not claiming yet, if clear wants a hardclaim he has to ask me directly

He has:

anyway, I would also be down for getting cloud to claim.

VOTE: cloud

[Raskolnikov]

Like i said, not claiming yet, if clear wants a hardclaim he has to ask me directly,

This suggests he'll claim when arona asks, at least. Shouldn't be that long.

[Raskolnikov]

Directly for some reason as opposed to indirectly.

[Jaack]

One thing you need to realize is that we have a limited number of mislynches (three) before we lose. I'm asking you to please not force us to waste one on you. If you are a PR, you should be one of the clears. One of the people we POE out so our lynches are more accurate. Getting lynched is the worst outcome. Claiming is not the end of the world. You've been happy to declare intent on anyone that's at L-1. There is no way you are getting away without claiming. Please claim ASAP.

Lo. He demanded I claim when I was at L-2 yesterday. This delaying garbage is a scum tactic to inhibit town discussion. Cloud knows we aren't going anywhere without his claim. He's not even trying to discuss his reads anymore - just delaying.

[goodmorning]

How do you look at 2369 vs 2370 and go YEP THAT'S TOWN ALRIGHT???????????????????????????