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[Raskolnikov]

If your claim makes sense with the setup it's believable in-of-itself though. Someone would have to cc you to fill that space otherwise.

[CloudKicker]

So the very existence of his threat is anti town because it gives a clear and possible autowin for mafia

[CloudKicker]

If your claim makes sense with the setup it's believable in-of-itself though. Someone would have to cc you to fill that space otherwise.

You dont understand rask, we have ml. If we lynch town today, tomorow its lylo. I am town, if town votes me because of mafia actions (killing arona + rb) then mafia will both vote me for a townloss

[CloudKicker]

If mafia has roleblock my win condition would be to ml BV regardless of alignement, this is quite funny

[BlackVoid]

I suppose if he's fake-claiming, we'll find out when we setup-spec after all the claims are out. By the way, if anyone has a PR, they should be soft cc'ing Cloudkicker right now.

VOTE: goodmorning

I don't feel from the core of my bones that she's scum but she's an option I want to explore. Mostly comes down to too many bad votes and no vote on Sotty7. Still have lingering feelings that town are playing chaotically and Hoopla and Rask are being the voices of reason scum but I'm going to go to Occam's razor for now and assume GM's play is indicative of scum and Rask and Hoopla being reasonable is because they're town. I'll see how this pans out and decide later.

There's one other reason that I'll keep to myself, this is just a reminder for me to bring it up later in case I forget.

@Cloud, first off, it's not going to be lylo if we mislynch today. Secondly, I'm going to consider all the possibilities including that of a roleblock before I make any decisions. Don't worry, I'm not one to risk autoloss.

[CloudKicker]

I suppose if he's fake-claiming, we'll find out when we setup-spec after all the claims are out. By the way, if anyone has a PR, they should be soft cc'ing Cloudkicker right now.

VOTE: goodmorning

I don't feel from the core of my bones that she's scum but she's an option I want to explore. Mostly comes down to too many bad votes and no vote on Sotty7. Still have lingering feelings that town are playing chaotically and Hoopla and Rask are being the voices of reason scum but I'm going to go to Occam's razor for now and assume GM's play is indicative of scum and Rask and Hoopla being reasonable is because they're town. I'll see how this pans out and decide later.

There's one other reason that I'll keep to myself, this is just a reminder for me to bring it up later in case I forget.

@Cloud, first off, it's not going to be lylo if we mislynch today. Secondly, I'm going to consider all the possibilities including that of a roleblock before I make any decisions. Don't worry, I'm not one to risk autoloss

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i like to hear that

[CloudKicker]

UNVOTE: bv unvoting for now

[Raskolnikov]

Cloud I guarantee you that if there's RB they would go for softclaiming PR over mason anyways and hardclaiming wouldn't change that.

[CloudKicker]

What do you mean by softclaiming pr over mason ?

[CloudKicker]

Like softing-ccing the mason claim ?

[MariaR]

Joey vote Creature rn

[CloudKicker]

Joey vote Creature rn

Nudes first

[CloudKicker]

But seriously no, i will wait for arona to come back and have a lil chat

[Raskolnikov]

What do you mean by softclaiming pr over mason ?

I'm saying if there's RB then softing PR already gets you RB'd 99% and hardclaiming doesn't change that.

[MariaR]

Joey vote Creature rn

Nudes first

I WILL PUNCH YOU JOEY

[CloudKicker]

What do you mean by softclaiming pr over mason ?

I'm saying if there's RB then softing PR already gets you RB'd 99% and hardclaiming doesn't change that.

Yea but i mightve just get killed over getting rbed + clear killed if i didnt hardclaim, which is towngain and my whole point

[Hoopla]

I believe the claim. I don't think someone so new to MS culture claims this particular role and strings it out this way (unless he was masterfully coached by Sotty, but lets not get paranoid here). I can kinda see why he didn't want to fullclaim, but I agree it was better to just tell us.

If mafia has roleblock my win condition would be to ml BV regardless of alignement, this is quite funny

The good news is in the last 31 Mason games there have only been 5 Mafia Roleblockers. Against masons, mods tend to give scum stuff like Encryptors, Role Cops, random roles like Tracker/Neighbouriser or quite often nothing at all.

[Raskolnikov]

Going into why leaving things at softclaims is terrible past d1 would be going into theory but the gist of it is
1. Claim reliability/trustworthyness vs flexibility for faking. Town vs scum benefit. If town claim PR they are already a massive RB/kill target whether they soft or hard, the difference here is generally not huge barring things like BP or PGO(rare). Scum OTOH have huge benefit from waiting for a fake another day especially with extra theorycrafting/planning and if they have an info from their own information-gathering role to supplement.
2. Scum have more setup deductive powers than town (given they know their own power) and can guess fairly reliably from a soft whereas town are in the dark and focus on other things. Leveling-the-playing field principle which is along the same lines as what makes massclaim powerful.
3. If you're town and your role had any information (I don't know what level of competency you have and can't trust your decision making) it would all have been lost on death. I can't trust that for example you don't have potentially crucial information but because you think softing would prevent you from being killed, you refuse to hard then get killed and that information is permanently gone. This is irrelevant with the specific claim now but it wasn't until now.

[Raskolnikov]

As far as setup is concerned this claim does make perfect sense here.

[goodmorning]

For a functioning town, you need people working together, not divided into their own camps because it makes it harder to get a lynch.

I'm the person who gave the apples/oranges dichotomy a name, but I didn't cause it.

For that, look to Creature.

Also:

Vote: BV

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ugh bodyguard is such a suck role

[MariaR]

wait a BV wagon is legit HOLY SHIT IT MUST BE CHRISTMAS MORNING
VOTE: BV

[CloudKicker]

wait a BV wagon is legit HOLY SHIT IT MUST BE CHRISTMAS MORNING
VOTE: BV

i unvoted jsyk, only gm and you are voting him atm

[Raskolnikov]

Despite everything I said, one of GM or Maria with hoopla is looking a little more reasonable than GM+Maria acting in the exact same fashion this past while as team >_>

[CloudKicker]

Despite everything I said, one of GM or Maria with hoopla is looking a little more reasonable than GM+Maria acting in the exact same fashion this past while as team >_>

Implying you hard tr bv, both gm and maria are my entry d2 trs and bv has a case againts him imo, why do you hard tr the guy?

[MariaR]

Despite everything I said, one of GM or Maria with hoopla is looking a little more reasonable than GM+Maria acting in the exact same fashion this past while as team >_>

Your reads are bad Rask stop it