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I didnotreceive any pm from Niv calling me out on anything. In fact, I have received the following pms from Niv:
Him saying hi and acknowledging my existance.
When I told him we shouldn't talk, he confirmed he wasn't told we were trustworthy.
Continues to confirm that the mason team was not told as a whole the mason team was not untrustworthy.
Niv, I have no idea how my suggesting we should talk, because theremaybe a mafia among one of us (I didnotsuggest I didn't know we were untrustworthy) leads you to conclude that I did not have the untrustworthy part in the pm.
"One of us is probably mafia" is not "Do you think this mason group is untrustworthy?"SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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No, it's not, but you should ask the mod anyway.Sir Tornado wrote:Niv:
Can you directly quote your PM to Simenon and his PM back to you? I think that is allowed as long as you don't put in anything from role PM in it.
Also, just to make sure, was it explicitly stated in your role pm that one among the five is scum?SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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Niv, I have no idea how my suggesting we should talk, because there may be a mafia among one of us (I did not suggest I didn't know we were untrustworthy) leads you to conclude that I did not have the untrustworthy part in the pm.
Sorry, I meant suggesting we should not talk, as it may give hints to a mafia in the group. I told this to him and another.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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I don't particularly like his fossing of both Niv and I, and the last sentence of 105 is scummy. I think he's trying to avoid committing to anything.
I'm a bit puzzled as to why one of Niv and I have to be town. It's possible that I simply did not receive the pm in question. There is no reason for Niv to send it as scum and there really is no reason for me to ignore it as scum.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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Sime has now picked up his pms. i would like to ask you this now: why did you send out a warning about using the 5 man masonrys sparingly, if it was in cluded in "your pm?"
My pm does not say to speak sparingly! If that is your argument, then I don't know how to respond.
One of the masons can back me up here, surely.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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We may be interpreting that bit wrong. Mine could say something along those lines, but I got it as "you can be sure of a possibility" and not "you are sure there is a scum".Niv wrote: my role pm says something along the lines of the factthat i am quite possitivve that someone canot be trusted in our masonry.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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I certainly think it's illogical, but playstyle and his general behavior this game suggest to me ckillor is town. This is with the fact that it's a bold move to go after a mason at this point unless ckillor happens to be scum with Niv and knows enough information to see through the claim.
I think you could be scum based on your scum list, which is fairly opportunistic in your assessment of this game.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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I've made it clear that I'm leaning on some sort of miscommunication between Niv and I (Niv is a player who seems to be frequently miscommunicating) rather than Niv being scum. Why do you find this bizarre?Colin's lack of a Nivote is bizarre. This in itself is null, but I see a clear dichotomy in the arguments and favor a Colynch. Since, y'know, Niv came out without prompting on Day 1 and all.
This shows you really haven't paid attention to the situation. This in itself is the center of the issue.Either Niv lied or he didn't: Colin's mason-talking strategy is an irrelevant tangent.)SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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I pointed out one. But I think ckillor generally flails around and makes useless arguments more as town than scum. This is only from reading a couple games.Toaster Strudel wrote:
What are the signs that ckillor is town despite his complete lack of logic? I do not know this player.Simenon wrote:I certainly think it's illogical, but playstyle and his general behavior this game suggest to me ckillor is town.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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Eh, rethinking it, here is probably where the miscommunication lies:
I send Niv a pm saying that one of us may be scum and we shouldn't talk that much.
He sends me a pm (presumably the one I picked up) saying that he didn't need to be telling that.
He follows up with a pm saying something about outboxes and saying "point stands".
No where did he mention I was scummy for what I said, just that he didn't need to be reminded that one was possibly untrustworthy.
Now I would definately like Niv to clarify.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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Niv wrote: My entire issue is not the fact that you sent the original message, but the fact you never responded to the question i askd you. even though i asked multiple times.you never asked me a question in the pm I picked up at night!
However, I only read the third pm, and the third pm did not contain a message.2nd: calling him out w/ a question.
No, Niv. By then it was day. I just didn't bring it up in thread, because I thought I had already read an identical pm the night before, and it was impossible to give an answer. Only now do I read the distinction.so you admit ignoring my question?SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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BUT THE WARNING NOT TO TALK WAS NOT IN THE MASON PM!!At its essence, the case against Sim seems to be that he sent out a warning against possible scum masons when this warning was already in the mason PM. To me, the important question is whether he would do this, even if he knew that the warning was in the PM. If the answer to that question is no then he almost certainly didn't receive the same PM as everyone else.
The most reasonable argument you could put forward would be "well, the logical conclusion is not to talk". But I have already given an explanation for that, something which Niv fails to answer to.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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Yamahako wrote:
So it was in the scum PM. I see.Simenon wrote:BUT THE WARNING NOT TO TALK WAS NOT IN THE MASON PM!!.Vote Simenon.
Don't be an idiot. I have already claimed to have three other mason buddies- they can tell you if the warning was in the pm or not. Unless you mean to suggest all are scum except niv.NiV wrote: warning that there is a scum in your group = dont tell the scum what you are doing.
So my pm was a logical extension to the warning in the mason pm?
Thus confirming that I had received the mason pm?
Odd.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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You obviously haven't read carefully enough. Reread my point in 201 until you think you have the answer. Then resubmit your paper. Be sure to put it face down.or that it shouldn't need saying, thus, you didn't know we all knew that.
I didn't get thatRe-worded, mine says: something along the lines of: you have a really sure that there is an infltration.at allin the mason pm. Rather, paraphrased mine says something along the lines of "you are sure someone may be scum". That doesn't mean there IS a scum. Also, nothing resembling the word infiltration was used.
Again, reread my post in 201, which answers probably any follow up to this.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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Why those four players?Lemming1607 wrote:Aimee: lurking most of the game, huge megapost, but needs to post more. Leaning town
TS: weird vibes. I need to look at his posts more. Neutral
Fonz: I don't know why but I get scummy vibes off him. Need to look into it more.
Ether: I didn't even know Ether was playingSEND THE VECTOIDS-
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Thanks captian obvious, wnat to change peoples minds then?
If it was obvious then maybe we'd all start getting the message.
I switched to booboo because:
1. I stopped thinking Yama was scum.
2. BooBoo had the biggest new wagon.
3. booboo was scummy and still is scummy.
Unless anybody has any realistic alternatives, I will continue voting him.
Tweny eight pages without any direction in this game is not going to end in a town win.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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They do help clarify your position, however.All these posts saying "you should vote for this guy, yo" persuade nobody and will just give us 50 pages of crap to read through tomorrow.
They have other applications but that's another argument.
I find it a bit interesting how you insist on assessement, and yet the only assessement you have offered on booboo is "well, my thoughts are well documented." I'm willing to bet most of us have their thoughts on these players well cocumented.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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I'm not sure what you're referencing here.
What information will voting ether produce?
The one after the random voting stage but before the stage where people start to scumhunt and stop being stupid.
Despite this game being over thirty pages and almost a month long?
When do you think the town should lynch?
You say you're not having fun. I can guess why, but I'd rather hear that from you too.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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I'll admit to the former, because I don't think it's a bad thing.It's at different times. Sometimes you just make a simple post, "***** needs more votes" and other times you list who we should all be focusing on which happens to be popular opinion.
The latter, I'm afraid, you'll have to back up.
Ether the player. You know, the mafiascum account you are currently voting.I'm sorry, voting either what? Lurker or Active person? Voting a lurker will hopefully bring them out of lurking. Voting an active person will hopefully gain information from their defence.
Follow up:Yep. That's part of the reason i'm not really having any fun.
Do you think your vote is contributing to this, and therefore contributing to you not having fun?
I'll give you a hint: you may have noticed I targetted all of the players who are one one-man wagons.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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More later. However:
Yes, you keep reinforcing this for some reason. Have you ever actually considered what I'm actually saying?@ Simenon - hey, with Fonzie's vote switch, you are now one of those suspicious players that are on a 1-2 person wagon!
I'm very much opposed to the White lynch. Therefore:
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Because I didn't individually consider you of course. It was my way of prodding you people back in to wagonning.White wrote:Sim, you said: "Yamahako, Setael, Flare and White are higly suspect." but now "I'm very much opposed to the White lynch."? I appreciate that you're not going to be part of lynching me but why the sudden change of heart?
TS apparently doesn't understand that. ):SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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Yeah, this post makes it pretty clear that YOU know white is town and you are trying to set up two lynches.Toaster Strudel wrote:
Why? Why is that? Because he's not scum with you, you know his alignment? Is that what you're saying?Simenon wrote:I'm very much opposed to the White lynch.
I can understand why a player might find some other player scummier than White, but I can't understand why someone would be violently opposed to a White lynch - a guy that votes players for "buddying up to lurkers."
Unless you're scum and you know something I don't.
So just because I don't trust the White wagon makes me know he's town (which is funny, because that statement already implies that your vote is in the wrong place). Well, the minority of this game -1 isn't going to be on the White wagon and probably because they didn't think he was going to be a good lynch.
I'll switch if it doesn't pick up steam, but I honestly can't see why nobody would pick this up as well:
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