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Post Post #1275 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:08 am

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Setael wrote:
10.) Avoid excessive profanity, flaming etc.
This is for Flameaxe and Simenon and anyone else whose vocabulary isn't extense enough that they have to resort to ad hom and cursing. It's been brought up by other players in this game so I know I'm not the only one who finds is obnoxious. Thank you for your cooperation.

oh lord, now the whiners are back.

could we lynch ts and get this useless day over with.
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Post Post #1276 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:09 am

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Bookitty wrote:Hmmm, ZONEACE, by your own statements, I agreed you were town, so therefore if you vote for me, you must be scum, right? ;)
did i vote you?


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Post Post #1277 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:10 am

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Toaster Strudel wrote:The Fonz is lying.

You can lynch me, I don't care - tomorrow you'll be lynching Fonz. Along with Lemming counterclaiming cop on Day 1, and Fonz outing himself as lying scum on Day 2, and lynching a cop, nobody knows how to play this game anymore, it seems.
Actually, this is not true at all.

If The Fonz is lying, and you were a cop, then we traded a cop for a confirmed scum (not the best result, but better than average, I think). We also know that Lemming is either an honest cop or outright scum, so we have a guaranteed scum lynch tomorrow (The Fonz) if we mislynch today, and are likely to have enough information to know whether we can trust Lemming's investigations by the next day.

I'm comfortable with my vote.
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Post Post #1278 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:11 am

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No, ZONEACE, you did not vote me, nor was I attempting to imply that you had. I was just basking in my utter immunity from being voted by you. It happens so rarely.
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Post Post #1279 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:13 am

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you agreed that the attack on me day one was stupid, because upto the point where i was attacked i was using logical arguments. So how is it illogical to then distrust the person who attacks you after you agree with them?????
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Post Post #1280 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:29 am

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Toaster Strudel wrote:The Fonz is lying.

You can lynch me, I don't care - tomorrow you'll be lynching Fonz. Along with Lemming counterclaiming cop on Day 1, and Fonz outing himself as lying scum on Day 2, and lynching a cop, nobody knows how to play this game anymore, it seems.
If he's lying then we're trading an insane/paranoid cop for a scum. That works for me.
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Post Post #1281 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:36 am

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@ZONEACE:

All right. To start with, I agree that it makes sense to be skeptical of the Mason group without further evidence. But you then seemed to arbitrarily pick a side, and choose Simenon. That's reasonable, I suppose, but it's also conceivable that Simenon saw it as scum trying to be his best friend. It's a well known tactic, scum buddying up to town. If you argue that someone is suspicious simply because he votes for you, well, that's common, and it's called OMGUS.

People who agree with you may be pretending to agree with you in order to blend into town as scum. People who disagree with you may be town and honestly think you're scum, even if you've been very supportive of them. Yelling at them doesn't change their minds, usually. Reasoned arguments do. Try to look at it from the perspective of the person you're shouting at.

I think we've confirmed pretty well that the Mason group exists. Since apparently there is some question about the loyalties of people within the group, I don't think it's very relevant, except as a useful tool to sort the honest cops from the dishonest ones. Simenon and Niv were told to be suspicious, and they behaved accordingly. But when you sided against one of them, since we now can be pretty sure they WERE Masons, Simenon saw your siding with him as opportunistic (I think. I can't be certain, but that's what I took from it) and he thought it scummy.

That doesn't make him scum. It might make him wrong, but it doesn't necessarily make him scum. I hope that, despite how supportive MOS has been to you, if you thought MOS had done something scummy, you'd consider voting for him. Agreeing with you does not make someone town. Scum do that just as often, and possibly more often. Thus, arguing that because Simenon voted for you when you were on his side, therefore he must be scum, is craplogic. It doesn't clear Simenon, but it doesn't incriminate him either.

As always, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post Post #1282 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:36 am

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Erg0 wrote: If he's lying then we're trading an insane/paranoid cop for a scum. That works for me.

Seconded
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Post Post #1283 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:37 am

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ZONEACE wrote:I'd suggest our doc protect the tracker tonight and that the tracker follows lemming. See if we can catch the other one tomorrow.
BAD.

This is not endearing you to me.
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Post Post #1284 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:38 am

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i thought there was hope for you bookitty, clearly i was mistaken
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Post Post #1285 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:38 am

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Erg0 wrote:
BAD.

This is not endearing you to me.

WTF????????????????
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Post Post #1286 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:42 am

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Directing power roles is not a good idea. That reads like "please protect the tracker so we can kill the cop".
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oh god i thought you were smarter than that.

it reads protect the tracker because lemming is naive/insane or scum and shouldn't be protected.
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Post Post #1288 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:45 am

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Setael wrote:
10.) Avoid excessive profanity, flaming etc.
This is for Flameaxe and Simenon and anyone else whose vocabulary isn't extense enough that they have to resort to ad hom and cursing. It's been brought up by other players in this game so I know I'm not the only one who finds is obnoxious. Thank you for your cooperation.
All things considering, I think I've been quite restrained, thank you. I'd like you to point out any unprovoked ad homs (with the exception of the "zoneace is an idiot" post, which isn't an ad hom and I immediately regretted posting it). TIA
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Post Post #1289 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:47 am

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ZONEACE wrote:oh god i thought you were smarter than that.

it reads protect the tracker because lemming is naive/insane or scum and shouldn't be protected.
Well that depends on the lynch result. If TS is the godfather then Lemming is, in my opinion, a sane cop. The kills last night make no sense if they're opposing scum - one of them would be dead by now.
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Post Post #1290 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:48 am

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and if hes not the gf then lemming is CLEALRY insane/naive or scum.
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Post Post #1291 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:49 am

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Also, Setael, we buddies (<3). She cool with me, I cool with her. So if she thinks that ahma being rude, I might as well think it's well-founded, no?
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ZONEACE wrote:and if hes not the gf then lemming is CLEALRY insane/naive or scum.
in which case MY PLAN IS THE RIGHT ONE.
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Post Post #1293 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:50 am

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ToasterStrudel is a she. She is the alt account of a she. She has an another alt that is surprisingly a she.
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Post Post #1294 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:51 am

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Simenon wrote:ToasterStrudel is a she. She is the alt account of a she. She has an another alt that is surprisingly a she.
and if you'll notice thats the first time i've referred to TS as a he so clearly it was a mistake.


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is there a reason you continue to try and pick a fight?


you nitpicking my typing does not help the town. AT ALL.
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Post Post #1295 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:52 am

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I saw it before so it irked me. Don't be so touchy.
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Post Post #1296 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:53 am

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Simenon wrote: Don't be so touchy.

says the one nitpicking my typing mistake.
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Post Post #1297 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:56 am

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ZONEACE wrote:and if hes not the gf then lemming is CLEALRY insane/naive or scum.
in which case MY PLAN IS THE RIGHT ONE.
I didn't see an "if" in your original post. Your argument was that they were both scum.

Regardless, don't try to direct the power roles based on hare brained theories. It just makes you look bad.
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Post Post #1298 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:57 am

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HOW IS IT HARE BRAINED. its the right move if TS isn't the godfather. i guess i got a little ahead of myself in that aspect, but its FAR FROM HARE BRAINED.
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Post Post #1299 (ISO) » Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:03 am

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I can only assess your post based on the information presented. It looked to me like you were saying the doc should take a gamble on the idea that both TS and Lemming are scum. That's the least likely scenario in my opinion. If TS isn't the GF then that's a different thing, but without that information we shouldn't be telling the doc what to do. In fact, we shouldn't be doing that regardless because it helps the scum to figure out who to kill.
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