I think I'll have to do a reread before I can vote for anyone else. Frankly I haven't got suspicions of anyone right now.
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Lemming1607 (1) -- Setael
Mastermind of Sin (1) -- Flare
Yamahako (3) -- White, booboodafool, Lemming1607
White (5) -- JDodge, Toaster Strudel, Ether, ZONEACE, Niv
booboodafool (3) -- The Fonz, Simenon, KaleiÐoscøpe
The Venerable Zorg (3) -- Beastly, Mastermind of Sin, Erg0
Sir Tornado (1) -- Yamahako
Not Voting: Flameaxe, The Venerable Zorg, Aimee, Sir Tornado, Zeppo
22 alive, 12 to lynch.Primpod 11:13 pm
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This is going nowhere.
I would like to suggest that everyone takes a good look at the four leading wagons (Yama, White, booboo and Zorg) and gives their assessment of each. All these posts saying "you should vote for this guy, yo" persuade nobody and will just give us 50 pages of crap to read through tomorrow. Yes, I know I've contributed to this, and I shouldn't have.
My take on each:
Yama: Could definitely be said to be active lurking, but says he has a plan. I'd be ok with letting him live past today to see if this goes anywhere.
White: Overly focused on lurkers and playstyle. Weird that he's left his vote on Yama the whole day despite the number of conflicts he's had with other players. Definitely don't like the "you're overreacting, I'm not voting you" thing. Really seems more interested in somewhat arbitrary theories (e.g. mentioning Jesters is a scumtell) than genuine scumhunting. Overall not liking him that much.
booboo: My thoughts on him are well documented. I wouldn't slot him in as a town, but he hasn't been scummy enough to deserve a lynch.
Zorg:Erg0 wrote:I don't love the fact that both Flare and Zorg jumped on the MoS wagon while openly admitting that they needed to re-read him to be sure. Leaving room to backtrack, methinks - it's not like MoS has written a novel in this game, a re-read wouldn't be too much to ask before voting.Erg0 wrote:[Zorg] was 6th on the ZONEACE wagon and his vote for MoS was made amongst much equivocation. The only vote of his that was slightly bold was his vote on Celtic, but that came in the face of the big wagon on Flameaxe. I also note that he FoSed TS early and then followed her vote onto MoS, which is inconsistent. Upgrade Zorg back to scummy.
I still like Zorg best, because I think White's scumminess is more likely to be a byproduct of playstyle. I may be able to be persuaded, though.Erg0 wrote:Zorg is wagonny, over-cautious and inconsistent."You were doing well until everyone died."
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They do help clarify your position, however.All these posts saying "you should vote for this guy, yo" persuade nobody and will just give us 50 pages of crap to read through tomorrow.
They have other applications but that's another argument.
I find it a bit interesting how you insist on assessement, and yet the only assessement you have offered on booboo is "well, my thoughts are well documented." I'm willing to bet most of us have their thoughts on these players well cocumented.SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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Perhaps I should have said mydetailedthoughts are well documented. The summary of those thoughts was in the post.
I agree that "LYNCH "X" KTHXBAI" posts have their place, but the main wagons have stagnated and I feel we need a push to get things moving again. At present a number of people look like they're content to sit in place, which is ok so long as they're considering their options. I'm yet to see evidence of this from a lot of people."You were doing well until everyone died."
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Tornado: I was kind of hoping that you'd vote someoneelse. (In my eyes, there's not really a difference between self-voting and not voting at all, although self-voting doeslooka bit stupider.)
I have no complaints about the Zorgwagon, and I'll happily join it if we can push it up to something respectable. Please also consider Setael, Flare, Lemming, Zeppo, blah blah blah.
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You don't really give off a scumhunting vibe. It's a bit of OMGUS and yelling at groups of people and noncommittal lurkerhunting.Post 635, White wrote:No, I don't think 5 scum are pushing for my wagon. But i'm almost 100% positive that there is ATLEAST 1.Post 611, Ether wrote:This has been answered already.
You appear to avoid relevant details and and be scum with Flare. For example, by focusing on Niv and WIFOM, you avoided following up on the scummy contradictions of Flare in your post 612 at all. That one's a double-whammy.Post 611, Ether wrote:It's Flare's context; please read between the lines. A terse "just curious" after to an aggressive question implying that I'm craplogical isn't a friendly theoretical exchange.
You also have a decently-sized bandwagon.Post 707, White wrote:aka, I agree with you that Flare is looking for nonexistent cases.Too uncommittal to give you any points. Then you immediately changed the subject and have refused to speak of Flare since.
In fact, both of those examples fall into WIFOM. That said, I can see this going the pointless way of you and Tornado, and you already ceded in 576 that I believed what I was saying about him. I'd like to leave it at that unless Niv gets strung up.Post 707, White wrote: No, it wouldn't. Ex. Zorg votes MoS for claiming cop in an open game with no cop. MoS defends himself by saying he is indeed cop. MoS get's wagoned and lynched and revealed as scum. I don't see any WIFOM in there. Another ex? Sure! I vote Niv for claiming mason with Sim (refer to early this game). Niv defends himself saying he really thought Sim was scum due to a misunderstanding of flavor in their role pms. WIFOM? Nope, none there either.
Post 707, White wrote:Uh...no! Are you even reading my posts? I didn't (for obvious reasons) pur up a case for Flare being scum when analyzing you. Why would I? That makes no sense!Analyzing me is obviously not the only thing you've been doing, nor should it be. Your conversation with me does not prevent you from analyzing other people who you've half-heartedly called scummy. They might, y'know, be scum.
Um. I'm not disputing your metagame at all. You were displaying a double-standard against those on your wagon. (There are lurkers off of it.) While I can understand this as well, you can't seriously call a thorough Flareanalysis "deflection" and not this.Post 707, White wrote:OMGUSy pseudolurkerhate eh? I think you need to reread the game Ether. I always hate lurkers, it's not fake at all. Meta me, I dare you. It's not OMGUS either but I can see where you would think it is
I'm actually trying to work up the confidence to ask you out for scones.Post 683, Setael wrote:Wow. "Misrepresentative lie that blatantly ignores" is pretty harsh. Are you trying to make me look suspicious or something?
See...I'm not seeing how you could drag your eyes through 11 words and not be capable of finishing the last 4 words of the sentence. Let alone the paragraph.Post 683, Setael wrote:Upon rereading it I can see that you didn't actually approve of outing another mason, you just said you would approve outing another mason if it would clear up this mess. I apologize for misunderstanding. I did not lie nor did I blatantly ignore your actual meaning.Generally, when someone says something scummy, you're supposed to take acloserlook at the post.
Uh...why?Post 683, Setael wrote:And for the record, I still think it's scummy that you would approve outing another mason if you thought it would clear up this mess.
The alignments of the masons are not confirmed. Both Niv and Colin have been perfectly clear on that point.Post 683, Setael wrote:Yes they are when there are 3 other people who could claim to confirm them. Pressuring them further is pressuring the other masons to claim. Also, why vote to lynch them when if they are telling the truth the scum will be motivated to NK them?
Hey...if anyone's still reading this post, could it proxy its vote to me for a second?Post 683, Setael wrote:You are awfully touchy. You get 2 bonus points for having the self control to not vote me inspite of this newfound resentment.As I move my vote
Towards your wagon, town is taking note
It fills my head up and gets louder andLOUDER-
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Why isn't White scum?Mastermind of Sin wrote:Why is white scum again?argumentum ad ignorantiam. Nice try, though.argumentum ad ignoring your question, but that's besides the point.
Now allow me to apply a bit ofipsedixitismand say "trust me on this one". I will probably be repeating thisad nauseam, so I would recommend that you get used to it.
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Pfft. Doesn't change the fact that your response was a blatant fallacy and that you are avoiding actually giving a case against White.JDodge wrote:
Actually it's moreMastermind of Sin wrote:
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Why isn't White scum?Mastermind of Sin wrote:Why is white scum again?argumentum ad ignorantiam. Nice try, though.argumentum ad ignoring your question, but that's besides the point.
Now allow me to apply a bit ofipsedixitismand say "trust me on this one". I will probably be repeating thisad nauseam, so I would recommend that you get used to it.
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Pfft. Doesn't change the fact that your response was a blatant fallacy and that you are avoiding actually giving a case against White.JDodge wrote:
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Why isn't White scum?Mastermind of Sin wrote:Why is white scum again?argumentum ad ignorantiam. Nice try, though.argumentum ad ignoring your question, but that's besides the point.
Now allow me to apply a bit ofipsedixitismand say "trust me on this one". I will probably be repeating thisad nauseam, so I would recommend that you get used to it.
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Pfft. Doesn't change the fact that your response was a blatant fallacy and that you are avoiding actually giving a case against White.JDodge wrote:
Actually it's moreMastermind of Sin wrote:
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Why isn't White scum?Mastermind of Sin wrote:Why is white scum again?argumentum ad ignorantiam. Nice try, though.argumentum ad ignoring your question, but that's besides the point.
Now allow me to apply a bit ofipsedixitismand say "trust me on this one". I will probably be repeating thisad nauseam, so I would recommend that you get used to it.
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Ack, sorry, forgot my vote was still on Yama (yes, I haven't been looking at the votecounts).Unvoteas he's been contributing much more recently...excluding the last day or so.
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Refusing requires that i'm first asked to do something. I never was, therefore I have never refused. A better term would be "haven't" but I think you're looking for a more Shock and Awe word. Sadly the one you chose was wrong. No I will not be quoting in red.Ether wrote:Too uncommittal to give you any points. Then you immediately changed the subject and have refused to speak of Flare since.
Of course it doesn't. But just because I don't post about someone that's actions have been run to death doesn't mean I don't read or analyze them. Btw, I believe this could fall under the catagory coaching...Ether wrote:Too uncommittal to give you any points. Then you immediately changed the subject and have refused to speak of Flare since.
Me either. However, my brain reads sentences as blocks, not word followed by word followed by word so on and so forth. It allows you to generally read and know the base of the sentence without taking the time to actually read every little word. No this is not skim/speedreading. This is conserving my time while reading because I actually value my time.Ether wrote:See...I'm not seeing how you could drag your eyes through 11 words and not be capable of finishing the last 4 words of the sentence.
Seeing as i've got a free vote, let's take it for a spin!
Vote: Ether
Overdefensive, slight ad hom, OMGUS and a bunch of WIFOM. I also get a nice scummy vibe of buddying up to the lurkers and riding other people's thoughts by simply restating what they say in your own words so that you look like it's your idea. Not to mention I don't really feel you scumhunting. Yes you have been a big thing in the Flare issue and yes you have been trying to get a case on me but you're just picking on easy targets. Notice my wagon, plenty of people find me suspicious. Your initial vote on me was OMGUS and I have yet to see where i've been so suspicious. Flare was also being the center of attention as an easy target which you jumped on.
Eh, those are my thoughts.ShowHouse Rules:
1. God came to my house and I killed him.
2. I will kill anyone who comes to my house like I killed God.
3. Give me one dead body and I might let rule #2 slide.
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