8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[pirate mollie]

Mollie,
I don't think ZZZX actually has a scum read on you.

I don't think he's spent too much time actually considering you really

.

I don't think he has either. but he wants to put me in the expendable category and I have a problem with that.

[pirate mollie]

I will honor any vengeful. That much I promise.

Also no Mollie I don't have you as expendable. Happy? Sigh you are making this way more serious than it has ever been.

I am calling you out on your shit reasoning for me being an expendable lynch when you are not reading me as scum.

in this list:

ZZZX what was your plan?
Leave the main conflict till last?
Why don't we compromise, lynch Metal now to end the conflict and then us two figure out the rest. Metal's flip will shed light on my and ooba's alignment, my flip will just show that my wagon was a counter wagon to MS.

I OFFERED YOU MINE AND OOBA'S VOTE, WHY WOULD I DO THAT AS SCUM?

frankly let me give you a really simple thing to look at

at ooba and metal there is a MAX of 1 scum.
if we lynch everyone but:

Grey
Metal
ooba
me
alchemist

then we are 95% sure to get a scum already,
once we get a scum it will a 4v1
we can lynch both metal and ooba then, and then if we didnt hit scum (which will be rare) it will be a 3p lylo which we can handle easily (we will never reach this unless some dark magic happens anyway)

while you get rid of metal now if they were actually town like my hunch then following ur plan it will be a 5p lylo 3 days later.

the pple you are leaving out are me, zarella and wguerts.

me - for unknown reasons other than gut which is terribly wrong, but supposedly I am not a legitimate
zarella - for lurking, low active poster
wguerts - for something, I am sure

and you expect to hit scum with this 95% reads list? no

[pirate mollie]

I think i read someone tell me i did only vca until hoopla, but thats bullshit and lies.

its the 2nd thing i hate most as mafia, lying about things I did and the truth is i didnt.

and yo sonic.

ok zzzx but i am honestly liking titus VCA a lot and that is the truth

all of you should know how she beat Uncouth mafia with it too

only sore losers call it "luck"

titus did not "beat Uncouth mafia" using her vca. the game cld have ended the moment I died if anybody with half a brain wld have asked themselves why I did die after only making 10 posts (altho I did vote scum!). somehow between fery, titus, ap and nacho cldn't come up with the realization that ut and I are IRL friends and we have a pretty good track record of reading each other correctly. <----- that wld have been an argument that ap and nacho wld have understood. and titus wanted to lynch ap before ut which wld have left the proven mason and obvtown boo gee what amazing scumhunting powahz.

that is literally the only game I have seen her vca work and I have played lots of games with titus. in survivor she tried using vca and came up with indie ank, town brian and town me. vca is a tool, not the all end all of scumhunting.

personally I think it is shit cos I bet it does not take in at all that I only voted nacho cos of dl and I knew he wanted me to or that I was gone all day when you lynched kagami. I don't think I even managed to get a vote in that day I think ending the day so precipitously did way more harm than good.

[pirate mollie]

Guys perhaps its time to STOP freaking following your egos and follow nacho's confirmed town plan?

you mean the 1 that i said we shld follow ages ago? I am not playing with my ego so don't even. I am trying to work with a town read cos they are so hard to find in this game except for nacho. meanwhile I am put in this "we don't care about mollie so lets just her, not cos we think she is scum but cos we don't care" pile that I have had to fight off all game. if i ran around telling pple how wonderful my vca is.

this game is on stall atm and its pointless

you are part of the problem.

how am I am I supposed to work with you when you are simply not interested in playing with me. it doesn't matter what I say what I do you keep marginalizing me and when I try to address it you get hostile.

also

UNVOTE:

[pirate mollie]

Vengekill: ZZZX then Ooba

Vote:ZZZX

You're not attempting to understand the game. You're attempting to develop a town block that will win you the game. That's why today looks like random noise to the entire player base.

what happened to your wguerts read?

[pirate mollie]

Vengekill: ZZZX then Ooba

Vote:ZZZX

You're not attempting to understand the game. You're attempting to develop a town block that will win you the game. That's why today looks like random noise to the entire player base.

what happened to your wguerts read?

[pirate mollie]

Vengekill: ZZZX then Ooba

Vote:ZZZX

You're not attempting to understand the game. You're attempting to develop a town block that will win you the game. That's why today looks like random noise to the entire player base.

what happened to your wguerts read?

[pirate mollie]

This
Piece
Of
Shit
Is
Scum

I know scum when I see it, and ZZZX is it.

well. you had it in wguerts and your 2 venges are zzthing and ooba so do you see why I am confused as to what happened that makes you think that wguerts is now town?

[pirate mollie]

"My reads change! My reads change!"

Fuck that shit. This isn't townie progression of thought, this is a man looking for four mislynches

I am still trying to figure out what happened in your mind to make zzthing and ooba as your vengekills and not wguerts who you were scumreading like 5 minutes ago.

like i get that you think zzthing is as obvscum but you also had wguerts as obvscum before and I am trying to figure out made you want trade wguerts for ooba cos I am not seeing it.

[pirate mollie]

This
Piece
Of
Shit
Is
Scum

I know scum when I see it, and ZZZX is it.

well. you had it in wguerts and your 2 venges are zzthing and ooba so do you see why I am confused as to what happened that makes you think that wguerts is now town?

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: grey

[pirate mollie]

Is he scum with Wguerts? I don't know. It could be. He talks a good game about voting him, even did it, but when it looked like the wagon would go through, here he is with a chainsaw to derail it back to "Nacho's reads". He seemed really fine with me vigging Wguerts too, and only went into this idiotic frenzy when I put him down DESPITE VOTING ME.

i dont get this, think about it

if i said nothing we would have got wge

After i said my plan... we will get wge

did anytihng chance? nope
its just that grey is now stuck in a loop where his whole tema is caught

And who is GI's team in your opinion?

No fucking clue, but I know that its not Metal/Ooba/Piratemollie for sure

using PoE it just works out.

this is where I am at with thought progression. like I am thinking the same thing and pivoting from this point.

[pirate mollie]

LLD always says that the best way to win when you play scum is to demotivate the town. Make them feel like shit.

well. you tried to do this.

Off the back of two scum lynches, look around. Who is spamming the town into oblivion until he could suggest this shitty plan?[/b]

you are being pretty spammy right with your question dodging.

[pirate mollie]

*now

[pirate mollie]

ohhhhhhhhh zarella

[pirate mollie]

Off the back of two scum lynches, look around. Who is spamming the town into oblivion until he could suggest this shitty plan?[/b]

you are being pretty spammy right with your question dodging.

I answered your question you lousy piece of shit. Alchemist even quoted it for you.

yeah it did not really address what I was asking tho. cos I am specifically looking to see why you think zzthing/ooba are scum and zzthing/wguerts are not.

[pirate mollie]

Scumteam:

Mollie+ZZZX

I take back ooba. Look whose here to ask me "why not Wguerts" and ignore what I say to keep pushing "oh you won't answer my questions"

so you think any1 is scum who votes you?

that confuses me even more about your morphed wguerts scumread/townread.

[pirate mollie]

I'm still catching up can you actually give me a minute to read?

will you actually follow through?

[pirate mollie]

me and grey were the first people to get sotty scum. nacho later endorsed it. you came into the picture only much later and somehow you want to claim credit for what we have been working on. look i give credit where credit is due, even if I was scumreading grey the entire time and I wanted every1 to lynch him but nacho said NO and I listened.

I don't remember you being very vocal about Sotty Scum? In fact, weren't you scumreading GreyICE for the Sotty scumread?

p.Edit: I pretty much have followed through whenever someone has asked me a question?

I wld like you to follow through with more developed reads which if you are town is something you shld have by now.

[pirate mollie]

I think VOTE: wgeurts is the most likely partner.

I also need a walk thro as to why if you think wguerts is his partner you are not voting grey.

[pirate mollie]

nononono ooba

we are following through with the plan that we all agreed to before you threw egg ont it.

a scumteam of wguerts and I doesn't make any more sense than a team of metal and I and you know this cos you can't even come up with any explanation for it. you look like you are scum getting backed into a corner.

I am srsly town. this whiplash is giving me a headache cos like with grey there is no fucking back-up for your thought process.

[pirate mollie]

a scumteam of wguerts and I doesn't make any more sense than a team of metal and I and you know this cos you can't even come up with any explanation for it. you look like you are scum getting backed into a corner.

This one is easy because if wguerts is scum - everyone else has voted for him in this day phase.

have you voted for grey?

[pirate mollie]

a scumteam of wguerts and I doesn't make any more sense than a team of metal and I and you know this cos you can't even come up with any explanation for it. you look like you are scum getting backed into a corner.

This one is easy because if wguerts is scum - everyone else has voted for him in this day phase.

have you voted for grey?

Nope.

so you have grey as strong town now that you are on a metal diet?

[pirate mollie]

I don't know what a metal diet is - but I've Grey as strong town ever since I entered the game.

Can we flash wagon ooba?
Then lynch nacho?

On Page 43.

I'm town.

Plus if
a) Either of Nacho or GreyIce are scum
b) If at least one of Sotty or Kagami is NOT scum
I'll stop playing Mafia forever.

a metal diet is that you realize that no1 is really interested in lynching him.

[pirate mollie]

eta: and vote for some1 else

[pirate mollie]

ooba who wld be your vengekill again?

[pirate mollie]

also did you notice how grey tied you in as scum to zzthing while ignoring wguerts? can you walk me through that townread on grey again in lieu of that info?

[pirate mollie]

yeah he didn't give any decent reasons as to why he was scumreading you in the first place and why he backed off.

he put you in his scumlist while dropping wguerts for no discernable reason, never answered why he switched his read on you 2 and somehow this makes him town in your eyes.

[pirate mollie]

also, when I talk about static reads, this is the scum bullshit that I am talking about.

[pirate mollie]

GreyICE's vote on you is also terrible.
"If wgeurts is town you're definetely scum!"
Never flips me
"You're scum!"
Does this make me town?
Also convenient that it happens when ZZZX comes with the plan.
Ooba and Metal. Please help us out.

who do you think are partners with grey?

[pirate mollie]

Well, OOba.
Why don't you do it the otherway round and follow the plan?
GreyICE if she's town will request to venge me.
If she's scum we win D5, if she's town you lynch me D6.
Should be safe in your oppinion.
You should vote as a bloc, hence it's a town bloc.

I've got your back if you're town.

There's no way a scum GreyIce gets to escape your venge on him - given that I and ZZZX are both there.

you are not even voting grey.

so where are you at with zzthing exactly?

[pirate mollie]

I am not lynching wguerts ever. I reread some of his posts and no way does scum run around asking how they shld act.

why is there such resistance to a grey lynch?

also I am thoroughly not enjoying this game. I wish I never wld have replaced who and I wish I never wld have swapped into this game.

[pirate mollie]

altho I did enjoy that 1 comment from ooba about my nicknamr for zzthing reminding him of zztop

[pirate mollie]

okay.

@ ooba

listen to me. I need you to really listen to me. look at what and who is bringing hardcore analysis to the game and who isn't. metal is bringing it on, zzthing is bringing it, I am bringing it on I feel like wguerts is bringing it on in his own way. there are 3 players who aren't. grey, zarella and alchey.

I am telling you that something happened on that scumboard to demotivate the scumteam. scum has got to be in grey/abr cos i am looking at this playerlist and those are the only who I think cld demotivate a scumteam. I think either scum were feeling let down by being hardbussed (and nothing demotivates me faster than getting hardbussed on d1 by a dumb teammate) or some1 was being nasty on the scumboard or mebbe both. I have played against scum!grey but it was over a year ago heck, it might have even been 2 years ago. I am sure he has improved since then. and tbh his play this game looks nothing like I remember but then I died n1. you are clearing him cos of him voting scum consistently and I am telling you that is a bad reason cos grey is from 2010 and I have noticed they on a whole are hardcore bussers. that is why if I am in a game with d3x or kthanx at the first whiff of scum them I look at who they are going after.

I know that the way I reason things out is very foreign to you. I have known this for a while but I think in lost rooms I realized the full extent of it. tere and i make a good hydra cos we have known each other for years and cos we compliment each other's weaknesses. that is probs gonna be a hydra that I use quite often. my point is that I take in little pieces of information and spreadsheet the fuck out of it until I can find a map of commonalities. if you guys saw all of my data collecting you wld most likely have me committed. I find human behaviour analysis to be fascinating and mafia is a gold mine of observations. it has become a hobby of mine to research and collect data and piece it together into a sort of artwork of what I find. some have been bad and some have been successful as far as consistency goes.

so tl;dr - there is a distinct possibility that grey is scum and that scum were demotivated by being hardbussed.

lets talk about abr/alchey slot. I have been scum with abr and he was quite nice. he went apeshit in another game cos he felt like I was insulting him (when I wasn't) and pmed me about the game and I reported it and he got modkilled and blames me for it yet takes zero responsibility for breaking an onsite rule. that is our whole drama. if I think about his push on his failed push on me and then push on nacho and squint my eyes I can see the butthurt being that strong in this 1. given the timing of it I can see how he wld feel threatened as scum to go balls to the wall and try to break up nacho/mollie town team. but what happened on the scumboard that demotivated scum?

mebbe I am putting too much stock in that kagami said, "when the pts open it will be explained" implying she had 1 and that something unpleasant happened there. to be fair to kagami I don't think that she thought that any1 wld get much from that I think it was an offhand comment.

the thing makes me think abr/alchey slot cld possibly be scum is cos I am not seeing a whole lot from alchey nor from abr when before he swapped out. I can see him swapping out in a game that he think he might lose as scum.

I have you, zzthing, metal as super town right now. and if any of you are scum than you did a helluva good job posting like lost confused town trying to sort things out like I am.

so now about zarella. why do you have him as town? you don't think that emp cld fake what he did earlier in the game? cos I think he cld. I will have to reread all of that. but zarella has not made 1 single post that I go "this is town" and that is why I have my eye on him.

so those are my thoughts that I wld like you to engage me with. I want to close off any holes in my thinking.

[pirate mollie]

also that was a very strong reachout btw.

[pirate mollie]

dude I just said I was leaving because I had homework and I was going to sleep if you knew my online timings

you are begging me to try to save you which is scummy....

even if it's not scummy it's SUPER annoying so don't do that

I'm not going to post until 12h later unless super super urgent so don't try anything funny

even if it's not scummy it's SUPER annoying so don't do that

I'm not going to post until 12h later unless super super urgent so don't try anything funny

lol that too much of a reaction but w.e . I dont need to be saved as I dont really have any votes at me like...

noone at all (well except maybe one)

I just wanted to know your stance. anyway see you tomorrow then, i just wanted to know your thoughts before i slept but it already hit 3:00AM...

Good luck in your studies then.

I don't understand these series of posts. like at all.

mostly from metal like what the fuck is he even talking about.

[pirate mollie]

metal I wld like you to explain your reluctance to me about voting grey.

[pirate mollie]

This is a good catch. If wgeurts objection to self-voting was just because he doesn't want Town lynched then he wouldn't be lynching a Townread. (Actually, how long has wgeurts been Townreading MS now? Until this series of posts I still thought he was scumreading him.)

@Mollie, FWIW ABR said something similar about Kagami possibly being demoralized by GreyICE, and he's pulling my ear to tell me the scumteam is Ooba/GI.

GI vs ZZZX continues to confuse the crap out of me, and the longer it drags on the more it sounds like two adults from a Charlie Brown cartoon. The only reason I can recall why Grey is voting ZZZX is because he thinks he's trying to get a scumbuddy into a Townblock through lylo. Why is ZZZX voting GI exactly? *checks back for the original vote*. Oh yeah, Nacho's plan. And then shit happened.

That reminds me of Zar's post a page or 2 back. He said he couldn't believe there was scum motivation in ZZZX pushing this plan so hard. Maybe I'm confbiasing here, but I feel like this shitstorm wouldn't be necessary if the main basis for the vote was just returning to the Nacho plan, even if Z's read on Grey became a scumread after that.

this is a strange sentiment considering how abr was brofisting grey the entire duration of the game when he was in it.

I think zzthing is town.

[pirate mollie]

alchey you said in post 3799 that it was ooba/Gi and now you are switching to ooba/zarella?

what i am interested in is what YOU think.

also kagami did not replace out, she was lynched. and abr wld have noticed that.

[pirate mollie]

*IMO

[pirate mollie]

alchey you said in post 3799 that it was ooba/Gi and now you are switching to ooba/zarella?

what i am interested in is what YOU think.

also kagami did not replace out, she was lynched. and abr wld have noticed that.

Those are his 2 scumteam choices at the moment.

I still think it's likely wgeurts/ZZZX.

My mistake on the replacement thing. He just referenced Kagami saying they were having a bad experience and for some reason I translated that to meaning replaced out.

why do you think it is a wguerts and zzthing team?

[pirate mollie]

@ metal

can you plz point to me in the games that you were in where he had sooper dooper good scumdar?

I wld love to have a baseline on him cos I have only 1 completed game and he was scum.

[pirate mollie]

what is "sooper dooper good scumdar"?

games where you seem to think that he has nacho levels of finding scum.

[pirate mollie]

[quote="In post 3808, Metal Sonic"]
i think ooba pointed out that in order for grey to be scum there has to be some very violent bussing going on here. and if grey is town he is nacho 2.0 and it is no way that I am going to throw away another town leader because maybe i'm paranoid that he's scum or something.

so if your experience has been that he he doesn't have the greatest of scumdars, why do you want to appoint him town leader?

[pirate mollie]

quote tag failure

not even sure why it happened.

[pirate mollie]

so none of that really answers as to why you are not voting grey.

do you think he took a quantum dive and found scum in the first few pages?

[pirate mollie]

Early morning post while I have time.

alchey you said in post 3799 that it was ooba/Gi and now you are switching to ooba/zarella?

what i am interested in is what YOU think.

also kagami did not replace out, she was lynched. and abr wld have noticed that.

Those are his 2 scumteam choices at the moment.

I still think it's likely wgeurts/ZZZX.

My mistake on the replacement thing. He just referenced Kagami saying they were having a bad experience and for some reason I translated that to meaning replaced out.

why do you think it is a wguerts and zzthing team?

They're my top picks for scum. I can't really point to anything they've done and say, "this looks like scum-scum interaction," but they're the ones that make the most sense to me.

cld you plz walk me through how they make the most sense to you?

[pirate mollie]

Like mollie was just another "sore loser" of the Uncouth

WAT

I was lynched the first time before even receiving a role pm and I was nked after 10 posts. how am I a sore loser when my team won? I was nked before masons fery and nacho ffs.

I don't trust titus's vca at all I mean if you use it in every game you are bound to be right at least a couple of times but I have seen it be incredibly wrong.

Also, he was putting mollie in the lynchability pool which is ridiculous because Nacho specifically said that "Mollie is my top town read" so. mollie can deal with that issue herself.

I did.

-> "<3" to mollie

tell shos i <3 him too.

Shos wants to know why DID you replace into this game?
why don't you enjoy this game?

tell shos THIS:

I replaced into this game cos eddie was being scumread by nacho solely because nacho felt like I was not interacting with him and I felt like it was unfair.

I am not enjoying this game cos I have been heavily insulted, largely marginalized, put up for lynch fodder by ooba and zzthing and largely ignored unless some1 wants me to ignore my own reads and vote whom they want me to vote. I seem to be this bargaining tool where no1 cares about what I say or even tries to parse my alignment but every1 wants to put me in their lynch pool. <---- where is the enjoyment in that?

This game is very enjoyable -- it's active, it's not broken, nobody is really obvscum or obvtown, what do you enjoy in a game, if not that?

I enjoy games where I am treated as a human being and not a bargaining throwaway tool. its not happening in this game.

and like a true reactionist I am going to ignore the rest of your points until I have time to mull them over. cos I actually listen to what you say which makes our dynamics incredibly unreciprocal.

I still think you are town tho.

[pirate mollie]

Metal, it's no longer random.
We've got a town bloc of 3 people, we will win anyway.
Scum are now trying to rip it apart I guess.

who is this "town bloc" that you keep speaking of?

cos you seem to keep changing who is in it except for yourself.

[pirate mollie]

are you fucking blind? I said that I'm still townreading you.

but maybe I am replacing your slot in the town block with mine since I'm more townread than you

you are throwing a hissy fit everytime I say that you look scummy which is fukcing wrong

I look scummy all the time as town and I don't give a shit

wat is this town bloc that pple keep speaking of

[pirate mollie]

am I on it?

[pirate mollie]

am I on it?

well i created a town block with me ooba and you but metal for some reason is not liking it,

I don't understand it. the push against grey getting lynched is weird. I think it is a direct result of kagami getting lynched so early.

also can you plz link where you had me in a town bloc?

also my dog is the most ungraceful creature ever.

also ff10 on PS4 remastered is kind of cool

[pirate mollie]

@ grey

I have gone...passive?

[pirate mollie]

cos I am wanting you lynched and I am making no bones about it.

[pirate mollie]

@ grey

I have gone...passive?

Mostly the mid-tier shit where you complain about people "using you as a negotiating chit" and yelling at people for scumreading you. You seem to spend a lot of time on that, when you have zero votes. If you honestly believed me to be scum, you'd spend zero time on it, because me flipping red would vindicate you, and because you're not getting lynched today (very obviously). So overall I don't see the town motivation for your self-defensiveness and repeated reliance on the Nacho read.

Honestly I think you know I'm flipping green, but if I had to bet, I'd say you're town who knows I'm flipping green. But that's one of those 60/40 bets. W/E, wouldn't be shocked if lynching Wguerts and ZZZX ends this fucking shitshow.

nothing in this post explains how I am being "passive"

cos by your very words I am not.

[pirate mollie]

nothing in this post explains how I am being "passive"

cos by your very words I am not.

Sitting there defending yourself and scumplaining about how you're not being read/listened to/etc. is the definition of passive play. Defensive posting in Mafia is the most passive play there is, outside of literally not posting. And it rings false. If you truly thought I was scum, you'd be laughing to the bank and trying to get people to lynch me, because no one would ever in a million years accuse Eddie of being my scumbuddy.

I AM TRYING TO GET PPLE TO LYNCH YOU

like I want it really bad.

what I didn't understand was why I was put in this null/category of deviating from a plan that they all thought was good at the time. and metal was posting weirdly.

I am back to a more settled place right now. I feel like it is pretty clear that I am posting from a town role pm.

also I think it wld be funny if nacho and I were in game where we both got lynched and townread each other.

I feel like your lynch wld solve a lot of mysteries that I have in my head. if you are town plz don't hold it against me and bring it up in every single fucking game. if you are town I will listen to you on zzthing and ooba even tho those 2 are in my strong town pile.

I just think you are scum.

[pirate mollie]

I am pretty sure we are doing the vig shots.
If wge flips scum then great. If not then greyice dies.

isn't your vote on grey?

[pirate mollie]

Wasn't WGE going to be the second one to die in your plan? Y'know, the one that you were patting me on the head about and assuring me you'd lynch after I was dead and gone?

and your point being is?

[pirate mollie]

My point being ZZZX

really

wants to lynch town today.

'tis strange to see such resistance to the lynch of a scumread

.

What do you happen to think of ZZZX and Wguerts, Mollie?

why I quite agree with this!

I don't get why you are not lynched already.

as for zzthing and wguerts I am pretty sure my opinions have not changed since #3784.

[pirate mollie]

@Mollie

Mollie: can you please explain to me your GI scumread, aside from following the Nacho Brick Road?

Mollie please explain to me your GreyICE scumread? I just went over your ISO and you and saw you call him scum plenty of times between your entry and your post to ooba. Can you please walk me through? I'm trying to understand where you're coming from, I want to peek into your brain. I think you are town, but our read here is disparagingly different.

zarella

if you read my iso and didn't pick up as to why I think he is scum then you didn't read my iso.

[pirate mollie]

listen to me. I need you to really listen to me. look at what and who is bringing hardcore analysis to the game and who isn't. metal is bringing it on, zzthing is bringing it, I am bringing it on I feel like wguerts is bringing it on in his own way. there are 3 players who aren't. grey, zarella and alchey.

Also Mollie, I would like you to explain why you think I am not bringing 'hardcore analysis' into this game, because I feel I have been very analytical about the flips and have been actively trying to discern the partnerships.

your vote is on wguerts and I don't see you trying to sort him out at all. nor any other players.

what you have been doing is coasting and sheeping the largest wagons while remaining largely uninvolved.

it wld be awsum if you cld produce something more than what you are currently giving.

[pirate mollie]

well, I did read it, and I didn't see why it's so strong aside you saying your team having a collective strong read.

can you please walk me through it?

I'm not following you Mollie. I would like to but I'm not. I saw you mention you thought he was part of the rush to get Eddie lynched, but aside from that I can't see where you're coming from with GreyICE. I'm pretty convinced you're reading him wrong.

p.Edit: <_< I've been sheeping the largest wagons?? Like, really mollie? Are we playing the same game?

then you have not read #3784 cos I pretty much explained my reasoning in thinking grey is scum in the part to ooba.

eta: also pretty sure #3784!

[pirate mollie]

My point being ZZZX

really

wants to lynch town today.

'tis strange to see such resistance to the lynch of a scumread

.

What do you happen to think of ZZZX and Wguerts, Mollie?

why I quite agree with this!

I don't get why you are not lynched already.

as for zzthing and wguerts I am pretty sure my opinions have not changed since #3784.

Speaking of people not answering my questions, this Mollie. This is you not answering my questions. 3784 is my post, Mollie. You just quoted it.

wait, did you transpose the numbers?

[pirate mollie]

I am telling you that something happened on that scumboard to demotivate the scumteam. scum has got to be in grey/abr cos i am looking at this playerlist and those are the only who I think cld demotivate a scumteam. I think either scum were feeling let down by being hardbussed (and nothing demotivates me faster than getting hardbussed on d1 by a dumb teammate) or some1 was being nasty on the scumboard or mebbe both. I have played against scum!grey but it was over a year ago heck, it might have even been 2 years ago. I am sure he has improved since then. and tbh his play this game looks nothing like I remember but then I died n1. you are clearing him cos of him voting scum consistently and I am telling you that is a bad reason cos grey is from 2010 and I have noticed they on a whole are hardcore bussers. that is why if I am in a game with d3x or kthanx at the first whiff of scum them I look at who they are going after.

I know that the way I reason things out is very foreign to you. I have known this for a while but I think in lost rooms I realized the full extent of it. tere and i make a good hydra cos we have known each other for years and cos we compliment each other's weaknesses. that is probs gonna be a hydra that I use quite often. my point is that I take in little pieces of information and spreadsheet the fuck out of it until I can find a map of commonalities. if you guys saw all of my data collecting you wld most likely have me committed. I find human behaviour analysis to be fascinating and mafia is a gold mine of observations. it has become a hobby of mine to research and collect data and piece it together into a sort of artwork of what I find. some have been bad and some have been successful as far as consistency goes.

so tl;dr - there is a distinct possibility that grey is scum and that scum were demotivated by being hardbussed.

To me that doesn't feel like a reason to have a strong scumread, Mollie, can you please explain where the strength of your read comes from? Honestly, I don't see it and I'm really trying to discern what is it that you're seeing. Like, why do you think all of this necessarily points to GreyICE not hardbussing one but TWO scumbuddies while being doubly bussed back by them? Occam's razor points at the simpler alternative being true here?

can you plz elucidate as to why you have grey as town?

[pirate mollie]

hey grey!

I have answered you!

[pirate mollie]

I didn't link yours I linked mine!

how about that!

[pirate mollie]

in case any1 is wondering

it is 3784

[pirate mollie]

This is how my suspicion on ZZZX started and why it stayed. Asking wgeurts to self-vote is bad, but GI has been telling ZZZXthe same thing, so it's probably not as alingment indicative as I thought. What's making that read stick is how he said at the end of D1 he wanted Kagami (scum) lynched D2, but then when presented with the option between Kagami and Nacho (Town) he went with Nacho. I also get the feeling that some of ZZZX's posts in his 1v1 with Grey were trying to discredit Grey. The whole 1v1 seems like an overblown result of ZZZX apparantly going back to the Nacho plan, and I also noticed ZZZX started hard scumreading after deciding to fall back on the Nacho plan. It could be Town confbiasing, but I'm wondering why he felt the need to go into that huge 1v1 for something that I think started out as pretty mechanical.

At first I had a wgeurts/GI scumteam because wgeurts was rerouting his lynchpool around his scumread there, but GI also placed him back at L-1, and even earlier he called me back to the wgeurts wagon when I was the one with the ZZZX vanity wagon. If wgeurts is scum with GI it would mean GI bussed his whole team.

don johnson did this to me as scum like his first post literally had the entire scumteam in his list and only them in a popcorn open game and gave the gun to nacho (which was sooper dumb but no1 listened to me). I bitched about it postgame and regfan and I got into a round about it.

[pirate mollie]

can we just fucking lynch grey now

[pirate mollie]

if it is zzthing and ooba I am going to dive into a bunch of pillows and sleep for a year.

[pirate mollie]

and cry myself to sleep every night.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: grey

[pirate mollie]

Okay, I was right, team was wrong.

Feel free to lynch me today. When you do:

1) Never lynch Zar. Ever. Not even then.
2) Don't listen to anything Mollie says. And lynch her.
3) KILL ZZZX! Seriously folks.
4) Kill ZZZX. It's a scum flip.
5) Put Alchemist on the list.

ABR calling people toxic is a literal joke.

this is the towniest thing you have said all game since I swapped in.

so who is your vengekill?

is it zzthing? cos it seems like you want to kill him twice over.

[pirate mollie]

where is ooba

[pirate mollie]

also I am bored.

I will pester you into a grey lynch

I think that is sincerely beneficial

[pirate mollie]

nobody is "mindlessly sheeping yoghurt"

I have been wanting a grey lynch since forever

the only 1 i will compromise on is alchey. and I am not sure if I will even do that. I want grey lynched and it is fucking depressing how hard it is to lynch scum on this site. YOU, metal was in xmen and you had your entire trying to bus you and you still weren't lynched.

also i don't understand how you go from nking me out of fear to not listening to a goddamn thing I say.

[pirate mollie]

the last part was to metal.

[pirate mollie]

also grey can say all of those things as scum I wldn't have thought so either but bulba pointed me to a game where did just that

[pirate mollie]

yea but I trust titus's vca because I have seen her do it twice. and twice it has caught the scum very nicely. thats 2/2 = 100% score.

and i am calling bullshit on this since I happen to know that titus has played more than 2 games. she has played LOTS of town games and has applied vca and has been completely wrong. what i am not getting is how you are completely ignoring MY history but then you haven't seen the last 6 out of 7 games town games that I have won recently. but I bet that means nothing to you.

anyway lets agree to disagree about this, the problem i have with zzzxthing is that he is calling it "bullshit" because "she didn't put the reasons".

we all know that is nonsense, in a normal game i rarely put my reasons and I get scum right most of the time.

I don't understand how you can have grey as town and zzthing as scum it simply is not computing for me.

guess what. The whole "scum read sonic" that happened within 1 IRL days by 3 people loudly accusing me is definitely scummy as fuck or stupid as fuck. wgeurts belongs to stupid as fuck. who are the scummy as fuck people?

who are these scummy as fuck pple? me? I am questioning you cos of your resistance to lynching grey and I see no discernible reason as to why.

it's ironic that I also 180ed on you. now I have you as town.


but thats okay, just a comment.

I think its pretty funny!

this is a nightless game and the stress levels are pretty high. I think a vengeful is the best way to go it worked for us twice why not do it now.

[pirate mollie]

also grey can say all of those things as scum I wldn't have thought so either but bulba pointed me to a game where did just that

please share with me

I wld link it if I thought you wld actually read it.

the only thing that grey has said that I liked was his observations on alchey/abr.

[pirate mollie]

IF both me and grey flip town and someone lynches ooba/pirate I will fucking flip out after game if we lost because of it. Just leaving this here.

I wanted to flip a table when yogurt self-voted.

[pirate mollie]

i haven't seen them cause i am not a metadiver.

but you trust titus's vca meta over your experience with nacho and I. which as far as catching much higher than titus's 2 games she actually was right in.

gtfo with that nonsense.

I am having grey as more town than zzzxthing because zzthing is yelling likee the hound whenever I say "you are doing something scummy" even though i still said I am townreading him.

when people say that i am "doing something scummy" if I were town i wont really care cause they are the dumb.

i think people that yell whenever you make a peep "hey what you're doing is kinda scummy!" are actually scum

I really don't understand these 2 statements.

[pirate mollie]

message for mollie:

shos is going to re-ask again "why you replaced in" because you were unclear. what game are you talking about and didn't nacho interact with you before you joined the game?

I am pretty sure that I was not at all unclear in the post that you quoted. I am not quite sure I SWAPPED IN COS NACHO WAS MISREADING MY TEAMMATE COS OF ME that you don't understand.

w.r.t. fun:
shos

knows

that you can be very offended by some games but you need to have a thick skin in mafia. you are going to have to forgive him for being conflicted on you.

shos is also very unsupportive of vengekills because it makes it easy for scum to line up lynches.

he thinks that mollie's reaction to the flip is "badbadbad"

tell shos to fuck himself if he thinks I am scum here. cos he is clearly not paying attention.

[pirate mollie]

but you trust titus's vca meta over your experience with nacho and I.

i dont understand what you are getting at here.

what does my experience with nacho and you have to do with titus VCA?

you are just saying that titus vca sucks and i am saying that titus vca is good. that is the disagreement here. how does nacho come into the equation i dont even??

nacho comes into play since his plan was the 1 you decided to abandon and declare titus's vca good when didn't she have yogurt as scum? like obvsly it is fucked and history with both of having us catching scum a lot more.

I AM TOTALLY EGO PLAYING NOW

[pirate mollie]

metal i wld like other reasons as to why you do not wanna lynch grey that have nothing to do with titus's shitty vca.

[pirate mollie]

the xposts are mindboggling mebbe I really am scum with zzthing and I misread my role pm where it said I was town.

tbh I want to go check it now.

[pirate mollie]

I am still town guys!

I am glad that I was actually correct cos it wld have been embarrassing if I wasn't.

[pirate mollie]

metal i wld like other reasons as to why you do not wanna lynch grey that have nothing to do with titus's shitty vca.

grey was willing to die and he said already that he won't live until lylo. he was already on the chopping table and there is a major threat to him. would a scum player do that?

ooba has said as much.

even if ooba was scum, his reasons will still be legit cause he wants to be like me in orgo chem where "MASTIN IS TOWN I TOLD YOU SO" after a all-town mastin wagon happened.

I don't think ooba wants to be like any1 other than himself.

what I am trying to figure out is why you are using a titus vca tool that has been clearly defective?

and I am not getting your scumread on zzthing at all.

[pirate mollie]

nor your town!grey read.

[pirate mollie]

and I am not getting your scumread on zzthing at all.

i am trying to sort him. let us do our thing.

I am not going to let you bash a townread of mine's head in just cos you feel uncertain especially when you are using default tools to navigate the game.

nothing you have said about town!grey seems particularly convincing and you are not even giving a whiff of notice in alchey/abr's direction. why is that?

[pirate mollie]

I don't understand what you mean by the bolded.

look mollie i don't know how scum!grey looks like so I am not going to play meta here. and I already mentioned my stance on meta.

first let make the point clear that

we are not lynching grey just because wgeurts said so.

I am not following the venge from wgeurts. we are going to scumhunt today and if I am going to be voting for grey today it will be because I think he is scum. not because "wge venged him" becausse fuck if I trust that he knows how to venge properly.

is that clear?

town!grey case is another issue altogether. I think that for him to bus his team so ugly and monstrously and then with little results {he is on the lynchability list!} is going to give him a rough game. following that he is selfless and not actually putting himself in the townblock (unlike SOME PEOPLE) shows me that he is dedicated to hunting scum and not someone who is planning "what to do at lylo".



as for alchey/abr I said that my townread on him is so monstrously strong that I dont even want to be paranoid about him. same for you. when I have players as "town without reasonable doubt" aka 99.999% town, I don't paranoia them. (unlike SOME PEOPLE).

I am not lynching grey cos yogurt said so. I wanted him lynched in the previous day round and showed this with my vote. as did zzthing.

[pirate mollie]

also in #3989 what I am specifically saying is that I am not going to let you go after zzthing.

in case you were confused which you seem to be.

[pirate mollie]

@ooba
right now its actually PoE for me,

and I foresee that scum-you will be finding an excuse to get on grey quickly

so I am pre-empting this and sternly warning that you'd better do not.

you are not in charge

[pirate mollie]

you said you were waken up by me being scum read by shos titus greyice and alchemist right?

this is a pre-question before asking the question to make sure my question is right.

i was truly woken up when ooba attacked me cause grey was scum in my mind and everything revolved around it.

i just realised that you weren't that conftown after all when you being scumread by titus shos greyice and alchemist.


is that clearer for you? if yes, go on.

titus's vca has been shown to be shit so why the fuck are you listening her?

shos id wrong and grey is probably scum with this much resistance to lynching him.

wguerts was wearing his heart on his sleeve any1 with half a brain shld have been able to see that. how dare you call his scumhunting incompetent when yours has not been any better. I AM probably going to wotc his ass out of games if I can cos there is a good chance his self-vote cost us the game.

[pirate mollie]

question 3: Any other reasons other than assosiation for scum reading ooba? also what do you think about the fact that every single flipped town was town reading ooba (including nacho)

ooba is playing very well here and i think nobody will deny this.


but i don't have ooba as 100% town. and he looks like he can be with the most partners in the game. if i rule out mollie and alchey. so mainly PoE cause shos is reading him as town but my gut says ooba and zar now.i am sticking with it.

what about zarella?

like srsly why does every1 keep forgetting about him

[pirate mollie]

if I could have taken the easy way and allied with wge/oob to create a 3 man block (which would be supported by mollie) and basically I would be unlynchable?

thats the reason why some people (forgot who?) are saying that its ooba/zzzx. i say its ooba/zar, but they're both playing so well that I cannot give any more reasons but "gut".

how is zarella playing well? by posting once a week? isn't that the same as coasting?

[pirate mollie]

i know you well enough to know that you are pretty bad at scumhunting!

that is why we have the "sheep metal sonic" policy in the first place

this game its not me. its me ika and

GIF

<< OBEY THE GIF


also i might not be the best at scum hunting but you cant deny i make good plans.

don't let him try to destroy your confidence. I think you are decent enough to keep you around even tho you hate meh.

[pirate mollie]

if we have finally reached a good decision then i think i can rest now.



we have learned from the convo that:
1. zzzx is probably back on town
2. zzzx's 'plan' is not necessary at all
3. we are not venging anyone today cause wgeurts is an unreliable
4. mollie is conftown


ok

okay I am caught up from my rain of ketchup posts.

your #3 point is weak considering you put so much stock in nacho's reads yet you want to ignore this 1. I want to lynch him cos he is on the outskirts of wanting to get his hands dirty. he comes into the thread and splashes mud on every1 but it doesn't look like he is trying to sort things out. I asked him several times where did his wguerts read go when he was all "its ooba and zzthing!" and he never answered. his wguerts vote was completely survivalistic I keep asking you as to why you have him as town and you keep ignoring me. why is that?

[pirate mollie]

can we just fucking lynch grey now

Nope, we can't unless you work with us. Even if I think you are town (which I really do), you don't get to call the banners if we can't follow you through. This is my second attempt to reach out to you.

also grey can say all of those things as scum I wldn't have thought so either but bulba pointed me to a game where did just that

What game? Can you please link to it?

I just can't empathize with you because I don't understand your GI read and I think you are wrong. Give me something to work with. Otherwise I will continue thinking you are letting your emotions take control of your GI read.

I am not calling any banners nacho did and you pple abandoned mr wear his heart on his sleeve 15 year old wguerts. excuse moi for thinking I have better judgment in this game than some of the other players here. like srsly who goes around as scum saying, "I'm town, how am I supposed to act?". I thought the wagon wld have dissipated after I pointed that out.

anyways I will try to work with you bit but I need to see some demonstration that you are reading my posts cos it seems largely that most pple aren't. plus you are on a team!mafia with players I know for a fact know how to emotionally manipulate me so I am STILL going to give you the squint eye.

how many nightless games have you played? I have played about 6 I think mebbe more. nightless games tend to be more high stressed than other games and scum have to pull out all of the stops, this is why I am asking.

cos neither kagami or sotty. and I maintain that there is a reason for that. either their team!mafia team sucked donkey balls or their scumteam did. I think this is like the fifth time I have said this.

I am looking at this playerlist and there are 2 pple on it even if I had never had a kerfuffle with cld piss off a scumteam. and that is abr and grey and metal to a very lateral degree. I maintain scum is in abr/grey cos I think they demotivated their team based on what was said in the scum pt and their actions in this game. grey's anger came out of nowhere and it looked like he was cosying up to abr. his jump off wguerts after pushing him all day and his zzthing/ooba scumteam idea doesn't really make sense to me altho I feel kind of panicky that ooba is not posting. those 2 players have come the closest to my thinking and while I think ooba is sneaky enough to do it cos he is a sneaky little sneak who likes to sneak around as scum I am just not getting that vibe here. if zzthing is scum here then holy shit he has been holding back in all of his other games.

I have you as scum cos I am not seeing 1 hard stance that you are taking. you are blending in and not trying to make waves and that worries me. like who are your scumspects? cos of right now I have no clue.

oh and the game I am referring to is http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=59772 game, bulba modded it and he is the 1 who pointed it out to me cos i was arguing that I didn't think grey wld act like he did as scum and bulba was like all yes can. and he CAN.

I hate every single 1 of metal's exchanges with zzthing. I don't get why he is clearing abr and I think the reliance on titus's vca on grey is dodgy as fuck after it has been pointed out that she was obvsly wrong about wguerts. I call thorella scum in nearly every game but I am bound to be right at least some of the time. it doesn't mean I can accurately read thorella which I can't and have been saying this for months. titus's vca is shit but when it is pointed out to him he doesn't acknowledge it.

I am wondering he is hard defending abr so hard. abr's swap out looked gross and alchey is saying things that don't sound like abr. wld you like to give opinions on abr and metal? cos metal's super endorsement of town!abr suddenly makes sense as a scum move at this stage of a nightless game. but right now I am sticking with you and grey cos that just makes the most sense to me.

I am pretty paranoid right now and while I appreciate the reach out YOU are not giving ME anything to work with. so plz don't accuse me of how it is all give and you are the 1 who is doing that and not me. cos you so aren't.

also wisdom replaced eddie on my team!mafia team so I am hoping for some mindmeld and some clarity.

[pirate mollie]

hey alchey do you have anything else?

[pirate mollie]

Not at the moment.

plz don't feed my paranoia it will drive me crazy

can you give an assessment of the gamestate as it is right now?

[pirate mollie]

Part of me wants to be lazy and just sheep the Nacho/wgeurts vengeful but I'm not comfortable with just sheeping (especially if it puts the wagon to L-1) if I don't have reasonable suspicion the slot is scum.

P-edit: As for the current gamestate, MS said he thinks Ooba makes sense as scum with the most people despite looking Town. He has Ooba as a top scumread right now.

@MS why aren't you voting Ooba?

I should ISO Zar at some point during the Day, since I see questions that seem Town, but I don't think I ever got to se pe what his analysis looks like (if he's posted some since I replaced in I missed it).

alchey you are breaking my heart

in literally half

[pirate mollie]

You have calm, measured analysis.

But there's no fucking way town-ABR says something like that. It's either "ABR make up some shit about Grey" or you just making some shit up with ABR's name on it.

I mean if ABR truly believes toxic play demotivates a team, then he's claiming scum, because his play this game was 110% toxic as fuck.

I am agreeing with you here.

but kagami did not say that team!mafia team demotivated her she said that everything wld come out in the pts and that it was not an enjoyable experience for her. her team!mafia is cabd, tso and aeronut. <---- none of those players are particularly inflammatory except for cabd and mebbe tso but I am pretty sure they like kagami and that is why they asked her to replace in.

[pirate mollie]

You have calm, measured analysis.

But there's no fucking way town-ABR says something like that. It's either "ABR make up some shit about Grey" or you just making some shit up with ABR's name on it.

I mean if ABR truly believes toxic play demotivates a team, then he's claiming scum, because his play this game was 110% toxic as fuck.

Calm and measured is more of an alignment-neutral personality trait than a Town trait tbh.

Mollie made a similar statement, and said it could apply to ABR or you, so I don't get why it's surprising to you that ABR said it as well.

P-edit: @Mollie I'm sorry. I'm trying my best here, but wgeurts' Townflip and the likelihood that Z is Town have put me in a no-man's land for my reads. I'm hoping my interaction with GI will help me nail down his alignment for certain.

what do you think about other players?

[pirate mollie]

hey metal, can you link me the games that you saw grey's sooper dooper scumdar?

[pirate mollie]

oh you are talking about grey.

sorry i thought u meant zzxthing

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=44578 <--- caught scum d1, NKed day 1

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=36986 <--- went in fucking circles in the beginning, but eventually won for town. See http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5689804


p-edit: @ wgeurts: My mind.

as you can see


2 games of good play are enough to give me a good rating for the player.

and I don't qualify?

I am trying to discern where this is coming from given your experience with me. I am trying to rule out the emotional aspect of it.

[pirate mollie]

of course you qualify as a good player! like otherwise you wouldn't see me wanting to hydra with you.

but honestly I never saw you SWEEP a whole scumteam before.

well I have. and I am pretty sure you have seen me do it.

anyway the gamestate is now at a point where every1 looks pretty town and remember that saki game that we played as bmc and we were the dayvig? that gamestate was still harder but except this time here there are more stakes.

we were not the day vig in the only game we played as a hydra. you pretended to be 1.

[pirate mollie]

metal, I don't even want to deal with you cos you are trying to engage me only on the level of ego posting and I am just too bored and tired to deal with it.

[pirate mollie]

ok my love. i hope you forgive me despite all my flaws. i love you too.


are you convinced that grey-town has sooper dooper good scumdar?

I think he there is a possibility he is a good scumhunter. the only completed scum in and oh lookee here in that game I named all 3 scum in post on d1. surprise! was nked n1.

metal you have seen me have the entire scumteam on d2 in xmen. I was quieter about toolenduso cos I wanted her around so that I cld try to get her to lynch her scummates cos I swear sometimes the only way to get scum lynched in some games is to get scum to lynch their own but I defo left crumbs that no1 even looked at after I died n2. ooba just finished a game where when wis and I found each other as town and then lynched scum every day. shos just finished a game where my hydra didn't die to the chagrin of scum and I pummeled the fuck out of scum and etl confessed she was the scum blocker in a last ditch effort to make a deal with the remaining scum titus and try to convince town there was a fourth scum team, lol. and titus wound up self-hammering.

I mean really the list continues on. I didn't get this title by standing around looking pretty. I am not always going to get it right I can have off games just like every1 else. I don't think I am spectacular I think I am decent and I am always trying to improve and I am comfortable with that attitude. but there are some things I think that I am good at that are unique to me (and I personally that every1 has talents that are unique to them) like I think pretty good at weaving town together and moving scum out. it is weakened when I don't have any chemistry with a playerbase and I don't in this 1 except for alchey whom I am paranoid of and ooba who isn't interested in working with me, has ignored wall post of a reach out and gone mia.

what I resent is having to say, "this is why mebbe you shld not marginalize me!" and and be forced to give reasons. cos I think I have at last a modicum of credibility here! like I really resent this and if I knew that the game wld be this way I NEVER wld have swapped in. the reason i did was cos nacho was scumreading eddie after I had told eddie that nacho was town and to work with him. tbh I didn't read the game that much after getting a townread on nacho cos I felt like eddie was in good hands with nacho and I didn't have worry until nacho called him scum and eddie was srly worried. so we thought it was a good idea for me to swap in and talk sense to nacho cos nacho/mollie is a pretty strong town force but no you guys lynched him. the only OTHER person who was working with me was wguerts and oh lookee here YOU LYNCHED HIM TOO.

what I am not like from you is that you say you want to work with me but don't, say that nacho's vengeance plan is awsum but abandons it at the first opportunity and spam post the thread which buries pretty relevant shit. what I have to work against is that I know that you can be very antitown as town and I have to take in consideration of your age and the era meta of when you joined and learned to play mafia in 2013. soyeah, I am taking a lot of things in consideration right now.

[pirate mollie]

1 more thing @mollie


CALM THE FUCK DOWN if you're town

If not, KEEP RAGING

I am not raging. not in the least and plz don't tell me what emotions are I can sort them out just fine thank you.

my "fuck off" comment to shos was meant half joking cos I always feel like telling him that when I think he is being dumb but shos knows that I 100% adore him. fuck we won in hu1 AND hu2 he shld know that i am not retarded and shld be encouraging you to work with me. why isn't he doing THAT.

[pirate mollie]

alchey, wis has you as town and thinks that I shld reach out to you. he thinks zzthing correctly called grey out for not self-voting. he and I are on the same page about lynch order being grey and then zarella.

[pirate mollie]

I actually didn't realise that was the lynching vote. But I don't think I would have voted otherwise given wgeurts venge + Nacho's pressure from the grave.

Exactly. And nacho set the venge plan which I never liked but now every1 wants it and I'm the only one who don't, so sucks to be me majority wins

this is the fourth lie you have told since that big long wall of bullshit. you DID like it an you supported it and made a whole huge big deal about "following nacho cos he is a god!" until it didn't suit your purposes any longer. stop bullshitting.

[pirate mollie]

I am reading your posts. Why would I not read them? I have shown you that I was reading them and all the time I have asked you things it's because I have been trying to understand where you're coming from. Also I have singer constantly telling me to work with you and that she would have sheeped you, except I didn't agree with your GI read at all so that's where I was.

well, i wish you wld have talked to me about it! I don't know if I wld have changed my mind about it tho I was pretty committed to the original plan and there was a ton of resistance to his lynch. what do you think about his zzthing read? cos i don't remember what your read was on him.

I haven't played a nightless before. This would be my first nightless game. I prefer flavorful games or with flavored mechanics.

I feel like nightless games are the most stressful, there is no nka and it is all in thread behaviour which is trickier with players like wguerts, zzthing and metal cos they have obscure town meta that has been abused by at least for metal when he was scum. they are usually pretty stressful for all players involved.

I have taken hard stances both on GreyICE and on my two earlier scumreads, which happen to have flipped scum? As far as suspects go, the player I think is scum right now is ABR/Alchemist here because of the way they halted the Kagami wagon and pushed Nacho with all that conviction that derailed the lynch from her. There are some other things I've noticed.

that read is going to be hard for me to parse cos eh, I am wondering if how much of that is due to history tho. I am not dazzled by alchey but I am not seeing scum!him. he seems to be trying to get a grasp here and just seems a bit demoralized which I think usually comes from town.

As far as townreads go, you are now my strongest townread. I don't think you would have jumped into a guaranteed toxic environment as scum in order to fool Nacho into townreading you. Also, despite your tunnel on GreyICE was wrong, I don't think your push on him came from a survivalistic perspective. I'm getting paranoid of the Seraphim/ooba slot because of the whole interaction with Sotty unvoting and swithching to Hoopla and which I thought couldn't come from scum considering Sotty's placeholder vote, but I'm starting to feel that with Sotty being so scumread collectively it could have been an attempt to distance from a partner.

I also don't know but I thought he was genuinely scumreading wgeurts and then he removed his vote from that wagon and it's something like it could have been a way to avoid getting called out for being in the wagon and that him removing the vote and keeping away was pretty much to let it happen.

I will think on this.

I went over GreyICE's meta in that game, and to me he's very different there than he was here. As in, his pushes and stances were a lot more sustained here than in that game. For example, he left his vote parked on Egg in post 144 because he didn't like the argument Riddleton had about it, but didn't really explain anything about the reasoning why he wanted Egg to be lynched and stuff. Anyway, this is pointless now?

well i asked you before grey flipped and you are only around to it post-flip?

My team and I had ABR as being really town early on because we felt him being that antagonistic early (ie. the way he handled wgeurts) was super confident and condescending, which I thought would be something scum would possibly avoid to do early on? I also had a very vague memory of a Faraday Game in which he basically left the slot without doing anything in the game and then it turned out it was a scumslot. After I died in N2 Faraday mentioned ABR hated scum so I thought his activity here could have meant his alignment more likely town. I'll explain what I'm scumreading Alchemist for in a seapare post. So, I don't know if that's where Metal Sonic was coming from as well? I also don't see why scum!MetalSonic would suddenly shift from being hard scumreading GreyICE to suddenly thinking he's town after both scumflips and then trying to defend him in 3931?

I noticed the metal move too!

Also, we're going to have to agree to disagree on what you think I have done, because I don't feel the same way. I think if you go over my ISO you will see what opinions I have stated of all the players in this game. You keep saying that I haven't done anything when the facts are showing the opposite.

tbh I think it might be a playstyle thing? but I just noticed that metal has close to a 1000 posts and I think you might be getting drowned out by noise. I know 1 of the things that he and notty like to do as scum is to spampost in order to demotivate town.

to add further to my not liking metal at the moment is that he has said some untrue statements. he says blames ooba for the deviation of the grey lynch on d5 and yet then later tells ooba that he never liked nacho's plan at all cos he was all for it then suddenly got cold feet and is now changing his narrative. <------ I don't like it 1 bit. it seems like he is playing to the crowd of whoever happens to be on I am seeing zero clear lines in his thinking.

[pirate mollie]

I'm getting tinfoil paranoia about MS and Ooba. It's more of a gut thing here, but that back-and-forth between them reads kinda fake.

I skimmed Zar's ISO and it came off really Town, and his recent post did as well. What really stuck out to me was a D2 post he had where his reads were divided into 3 tiers.

My reads are currently like this:

Tier 1:

ABR, GreyICE,

Metal Sonic
Tier 2: ZZZX,

wgeurts, Nacho

Tier 3:

Kagami, Sotty,

ooba, mollie

Anyone in Tier 1 is not up for lynching for me, and I don't think I'll be voting anyone in tier two either today.

mollie

: have your reads changed at all since the discussion from the last couple of pages?

I added the colors for clarity. That kind of accuracy on D2 is pretty amazing. I still think Mollie is Towniest of the Town here, and ZZZX is probably close behind.

That quote, my team wanting Ooba voted out, and PoE are the main factors for my vote here.

VOTE: Ooba

@Mollie, don't forget to respond to my Townblock question.

I felt like the exchanges read as scum theatre. scum with town or scum with scum I am unsure. I am not liking any of metal's posting but I don't like ooba ignoring the fuck out of me either and going mia when he did either.

the second part of this post is kind of strange cos scum can fake reads and bus teammates etc etc. I am wondering why this did not factor into alchey's thinking. what i like about some of zar's posts when contrasted with others (I haven't isoed him, I am basing this of memory of contrast posts that other pple keep presenting and eh, I am wondering how accurate grey's reads were. grey had him as town.

I am just going to have to interact with him more I think.

I am not ready to come up with a town bloc yet. I need more interaction and to see more in thread behaviour tat is not coming from spammy metal. I feel like zzthing is kind of just as bad but ugh zzthing felt so town earlier but that is also who grey wanted venged but I feel at this time we need to reevaluate now that there was a process in place that resulted in a town flip.

@ metal

if you thought wguerts wld probs flip town then why did you vote him? like wguerts can get away with that cos he is new but you can't. you shld know better.

[pirate mollie]

Here's why I think Alchemist's slot is scum

These are basically interarctions ABR had with Sotty and Kagami before the Nacho flip which I find relevant and tie them as partners:

Spoiler: Interactions with SW/Kagami

ABR's entry vote was SW in 66 with a vote he refused to explain to wgeurts (which is where he had the exchange that Empirea and I found town), until he called out the SilverWolf/Kagami at the likelihood that she was probably scum based on how she was coming across (96). With this knowledge at hand though, ABR did not seem to be bothered later that GreyICE kept mentioning that SW was actively posting elsewhere on the site after replacing out, which should have probably led him to sustain his early suspicions.

Later, ABR's reasoning on SW has changed by saying he thought the slot was possibly town along with Seraphim and Eddie and his distrust came from the little they had participated (339).

He's back to suspect the slot based on the interactions involing Sotty, except this time, he's also making a parallel on Seraphim/ooba. He outrightly called Kagami's logic bad in 596 and had already voiced suspicion in 385

He even considers voting Kagami in 711, but then wavers at it and establishes his team considers Kagami town based on Inuyasha meta, according to 755 and some other meta briefly described in 762 and calls her a "high risk lynch" and called Kagami vs. GreyICE "a whole conf. bias and emotional voting" in 763.

There's another interaction that could come from a partner trying to weakly deflect from a lynch in 772 where ABR expresses that he thinks the strategy to align herself with Sotty/Seraphim/Eddie couldn't come from scum.

For a brief moment 809, he votes her bot a few posts later 816 jumps into the Hoopla wagon, after trying to hold Nahco liable for a "potential town flip" of Kagami.

So basically, while ABR seems to have expressed strong opinions on to why Silver/Kagami was likely to be scum on day one, he found reasons to back away from the scumread and the vote, specially the quick switch from Kagami to Hoopla.

---

Spoiler: Interactions with Sotty:

ABR made a big push for Sotty early on, following GreyICE's interaction with her. He voted her in 210; but in post 336 wants to go after Hoopla instead, calls them a scumteam in 347 (which is something I would expect some partners to say to try to tie players if they have an obvious scumbuddy in the spotlight), votes her and gives out reasons but leaves himself space to go back to Hoopla by calling her the wagon the "second best lynch after Hoopla". A few posts later he continues to try to use the Sotty scumflip against wgeurts who we now know is town.

ABR flip flops a bit between voting Sotty and Seraphim, hopping to Kagami but finally settling on Hoopla for the lynch.891 gives Kagami credit for trying harder than Sotty and Hoopla.

Sotty's read of ABR in 605 limited to arguing with him about him commenting on her lacking reads, but does not offer an alignment opinion on him. It makes sense from a partner in bad shape who does not want to affect another in thread and may be absorbing the suspicion.

On day Two, ABR made jabs at the confirmed scum Sotty wagon. He tried to secure the Nacho wagon in 2183 by saying it could stall if people switched to sotty or kagami and in 2026 he called the wagon a joke with "guaranteed scum in it", when we have already confirmed was town motivated.

VOTE: Alchemist

okay I am following your thinking, do you think that abr wld intentionally create conflict as scum? to me it is a risky plan of diminished returns that yielded a negative result where alchey had to come in and smooth things over in order to get the conclusion he wanted for his team. his replace out was weird AND I AM NOT BEING DAZZLED BY ALCHEY. I want to read his posts and love them and I am not. I feel like trying to get the both of you to get a real convo going it is like digging out teeth with a grapefruit spoon.

[pirate mollie]

to add further to my not liking metal at the moment is that he has said some untrue statements. he says blames ooba for the deviation of the grey lynch on d5 and yet then later tells ooba that he never liked nacho's plan at all cos he was all for it then suddenly got cold feet and is now changing his narrative. <------ I don't like it 1 bit. it seems like he is playing to the crowd of whoever happens to be on I am seeing zero clear lines in his thinking.

I'll start going over Metal Sonic's 974 posts (and ZZZX's 700+ as well)

, off the top of my head Metal seems all over the place and seems to be changing his stances all the time, which I wouldn't expect scum to be so volatile? Mina was gut townreading him. We definitely need to take some time to reevaluate since there's 2 scum left and with 6 players left it takes all the town to vote to lynch scum. And if by any chance we mislynch, I believe it's necessary to focus on the wagon for scumhunting. As far as ZZZX goes I didn't think ZZZX could be scum with wgeurts because of how the whole Dynasty re-enactment between him and GreyICE came along. GI was really thirsty for ZZZX blood and wanted to venge him but in the end but for his final read on him was ambiguous so I want to take a look at him as well. I'm also starting to get paranoid about the gynormous ISOs and your comment doesn't help!

I can't wait to see how you do with a book of metal sonics and zzthing's posts cos it is going to take ages cos I did try earlier. I know I can't do it I don't have the attention span.

prediction: you will die of old age.

also wguerts flipped town so what does that do to your idea that wguerts and zzthing were scum together. cos its like you went there and left me hanging and i am not any clearer as to your read on zzthing! except for the hyperposting part.

my team was gut reading metal as town to (bulba, eddie) wis thinks he is scum but he is all "ugh I thought this game wld be easy with the grey flip". cos we thought there was a good chance grey wld flip scum. and we are back to figuring things out. I am thinking about grey and trying to look at the game from his perspective cos I want to get inside his and see if there is any intersection of thought cos mine was diametrically opposed to most of his until the end.

[pirate mollie]

Do you or any of your teammates think scumZar would put half his scumteam in his D2 lynchpool? It could have been scum bussing, but it just feels like too many and too soon for that.

okay so if this is your argument for town!zarella cos if he was scum he wldn't bus that early then why are you voting ooba? cos serapham's early votes were both on scum!kagami and scum!sotty, metal was his very first vote and then he moved it on to hoopla on d1 to sotty.

it feels like you are leaving out a piece of a puzzle that I don't understand. unless you didn't look back on seraphim's posts.

[pirate mollie]

*from sotty

[pirate mollie]

hey ooba!

I left a whole big long post dedicated to you and I am getting the cold shoulder. why is that?

[pirate mollie]

hey ooba!

I left a whole big long post dedicated to you and I am getting the cold shoulder. why is that?

Read it.

So you had
- Grey
- ABR
as scum

MS, ZZZX, Me as town.

You want to know why I townread Zar?

Because his play has been non-calculating.
1) He cleared GI - called him conf town even - when scum want to rack in the mislynches
2) And has just been trying to figure out the game

this isn't an accurate picture of what I said at all. I was working out the holes in my logic and I said that. I directly asked for you to work with me to help with that. you ignored it.

so where exactly are you at with figuring things out with the current gamestate?

[pirate mollie]

don't you

DARE

call my posts spam

I have been putting the most numbers of hours and most effort in the game than any other player here. I have been figuring out roughly who town and scum is Day 1 and 2 and trying to sort people from those days onwards. I have been analyzing 'what if X is town' and 'what is Y is town' for every single player. I have been trying to figure out every day if there is something wrong in my reads and try my best to look at things from others perspective <--- this is frickin hard for me.

you have certainly not been putting time than I have. what you HAVE put in a lot of posts that don't do much in furthering the gamestate, the signal level is very high as in the ability to read the alignment of your signal is being drowned out by the noise that you are emitting. <------- if you are town you may want to stop this cos you are damaging your team by giving scum room to hide.

Titus had the most posts in Day 1 in xmen and GUESS WHAT you lynched her and she was TOWN. meanwhile, 2 in xenoblade had the most posts and GUESS WHAT they were SCUM. so dont give anybody of that postcount = alignment nonsense.

we lynched her cos she was spamposting, her reads were entirely fucked, she put 4 of our scumreads in her "all town bloc" and she was actively damaging the game. so hell yeah we lynched her and i wld do it again if she behaved the same way. it damaged the game in a way that made it hard for town to recover and they never did.

I recently finished a survivor mafia completed game with her and it got to a point where she made 3 different fakeclaims, her vca pointed to brian and I, and she was actively damaging the game. during that day round we played a challenge where we had to answer specific questions about the remaining player like, "who is the best player in the game" and "who shld be in the final 3" and such, then we had to answer the same questions based on how we thought the majority wld answer. 1 of the questions was "who do you think has it the most coming". every1 said titus and every1 got it right so every1 gained a point for it. she was lynched that day and she flipped town but with a major noise generator removed town was able to unanimously lynch the remaining scum. brian, ank, save the dragons, farside, bookitty and I all were endgamed and won. so sometimes getting rid of a noise generator benefits town as a whole and they are better able to find their feet and lynch scum.

I can't remember a thing that zarella says when there are 3 entire pages consisting of nothing but you and zzthing.

Grey was calling ZZZX's posts "spam" and "crap". Not mine. Even though he quoted the wrong person's number of posts (it was me who was 800 posts at that time), if he thought that my posts were spam he would have fucking said so, because he's badass greyice.

pretty sure that if grey realised that you were the 1 with the 800+ vote count he wld have said the same to you.

so dont you

DARE

call my posts spam

the sheer amount of your posts is the very definition of spam. and in that the overwhelmingly majority of them you do nothing to further the gamestate. like I am trying to get a grip on zarella and alchey and I shldn't have to wade through 3 pages that entirely consists of yours and zzthing posts and yours zzthings only. like ooba made a couple of posts later that again got drowned out by you and zzthing.

so I am asking you nicely to dial the volume back and give the game room to breathe if you are town cos what you are doing is strangling the game and it is damaging it IMO. cos it is drowning out the other voices in the game and it is giving scum room to hide. so if you are town plz stop it.

i was talking to you in molliespeak and i was talking to ooba in english

unless i speak broken molliespeak i don't think there's any contradiction here. like i'm not sure what you're seeing at all. do you not understand when I speak to you in molliespeak is it that bad? this is my way of reaching out to you and it is another method that is not working.

I am not sure I understand what you are saying at all. I was referring to what you were saying ABOUT ooba. considering I think you have zero understanding of what molliespeak is I think you shld probably not do it.

you said that you read my iso? do you notice that I only started speaking this way after you came in? maybe you didn't.

should I speak to you like a normal person in english mollie? pls tell me

yes, I talk differently according whoever is talking to me. the proper term for this is called Speech Convergence can you just google that a bit?

this is where I am at with your post. I am pretty sure I have a better understanding of speech convergence than you do. I am not even going with you for the remainder of this post cos at this point you are strawmanning my argument as well as insulting my intelligence and I am not going to enter another pointless exchange with you cos I don't think that it will yield any positive results.

[pirate mollie]

Metal I will ask you, do you have confidence to hit scum tomorrow for 100%?

also mollie, ika is telling you that he is still watching the thread and is here for you, (but sadly he told me he is sick today :< )

tell him thank you and thank you too for being willing to do that. feeling the ikaness in your posts is honestly why I keep putting you in my town pile.

I am trying to sort zarella and alchey out. of the 2 alchy seems very disengaged. like I don't think he realizes that ooba replaced seraphim and that zarella replaced empire. or mebbe he didn't understand my point or where I was going with it.

I am catching up but this where I am at now but I want to go back and reread your previous post.

[pirate mollie]

dont lend me money if its more than 10 bucks

^ this is spam posting since you seem to be confused about what spam posting is.

if you are town, for the love of god stop this.

and stop the talk about "factions" that is pretty divisive manipulative doubletalk and makes me think of what titus tried to pull in hu2.

it is completely unnecessary to post every little thought that enters your brain and then later try to deny that you are spam posting. so now that I have given you an example from your own posts of what spam posting is I expect you to stop doing that.

[pirate mollie]

mollie do you agree that there is at least 1 scum between alchem/zar and why?

I don't understand the axis of which you are spinning from with this dichotomy. I am trying to get a read on the 2 independently and it is hard to do when I am having to wade through spam posting. I feel like you cld stand to dial it back a bit too and mebbe let the game percolate for a bit.

I am going to reread grey's iso so that I can have a clear picture of where his thoughts were when he was died. I know he gravitated to abr/alchey at the end of the day but I need to look up on who he thought was a likely partner, you or ooba. I also wanna reread at last few pages that lead up to grey's lynch. I will do this today, and I will get back with you.

I am going to take a break for a bit.

[pirate mollie]

Keeping the thread short and parsable is going to be important as hell to securing a town win: spamming the shit out of it and chucklefucking in the usual style is going to discourage the legendary scumhunters from posting more, which means less cool scumhunting if they're town or less opportunities to catch them if they're scum. Normally, I wouldn't be so stick up the ass boring but I want a perfect town win and you want a perfect town win and we're not going to get it if we alienate everyone else.

I have a question here for you:

why after nacho said this did you continue to spampost with metal?

@ ika, yes it is to induce town apathy. nacho pretty much explained it here. it is also a way to look productive, bury important game relevant info and leave a long confusing trail that hides inconsistencies, change the history of their narrative (metal's example of saying that he was never for the vengeful plan cos at some points he openly endorsed it) and discourage pple from doing a thorough iso. the scum motivation is to provide a a complete smokescreen of mist spreading that is very hard to follow the game at at all a clear holistic way that makes sense. there is no positive town motivation for it. so if you cld ask zzthing to not respond to metal for a while that wld be fantastic. I wld like to have air to breathe and more room to sort out alchey and zarella. speaking of zarella I found this gem:

Vote: Metal Sonic

i looked at this playerlist and i decided to not put any tokens lol

Playerlists were revealed after token submissions and alignments were assigned. So how did you come to assign your tokens after the fact?

(Nacho, you better be town here and make this way easier for me.)

Yo empire . Interesting point hmm

this post is pure gold. I see why pple are reading zarella as town now looking back in hindsight and working from a town!grey mindset.

did metal ever answer this question? cos it is pretty important.

*notes to self - iso empire*

I went backwards from p6 cos I wanted to see who grey was talking to when he addressed the spamposting issue.

@ ooba

wrt to your hammer do you mean that you had not caught up but you hammered grey anyways? what made you change your mind and "follow the venge plan"?

also I asked for you to help me close holes in my logic in my big long wall post and I am still for you to do that cos the interpretation of my post is pretty inaccurate so do you think you cld respond to that?

in general - also in my backwards reading abr didn't seem to set out to make any friends. he is pretty much getting into it with everybody. thats a pretty ballsy move to do as scum and then to sledge the fuck out of 2 players on a personal level? cos you were butthurt in another game? <----- I had him as town for this cos I thought that it was likely to come a full of themselves mindset but I am closing that off a bit cos it might not be alignment indicative as much as I thought it was. so it is gonna take some thought. what is working against this slot is the swap out was weird and I am not getting much from alchey.

I am mapping out purviews from several different angles and this is going to take time.

[pirate mollie]

okay yaye! alchey is getting his head into the game, that will make things easier.

[pirate mollie]

I've actually started re-reading - got a couple of minutes.

I'll take the time out to echo this:

This game is very enjoyable -- it's active, it's not broken, nobody is really obvscum or obvtown, what do you enjoy in a game, if not that?

I think the remaining two scum are playing very well - whoever you are. This is an enjoyable mafia game for me.

this is an interesting post to me cos that 1 of the first things my mentor taught me was that whenever a player comments on the performance or intelligence of a scumteam they are usually scum. until I joined this site it was like 95% percent true. I get here and there are a bunch pple running around calling scumteams dumb and saying that scum are playing well.

what bugs me are the next exchanges of posts following this 1:

yeah I enjoy it too except for stagnation (((


I mean maybe I'm too hyper after doing math I can just sleep it off

there wasn't much stagnation at this point. look at the time stamps:

A lynch has been reached.

Sotty7 was a

Mafia Goon

.

A lynch has been reached.

Kagami was a

Mafia Goon

.

sotty and kagami were lynched within about 6 hours of each other. that is not stagnation.

ooba, answer me this later when you've caught up.

Grey (if town) ultimately caught Sotty + Kagami, which we both could not have done; we both did catch Sotty but Kagami slipped by our fingers (you called kagami town and almost derailed her lynch. Thankfully lynch inertia pushed it through despite your intervention).

If Grey venges would you trust him to do it right despite it being counter intuitive? I mean we may think he is wrong but we might be the wrong one here.

what lynch inertia existed at that time? the lynches happened within 6 hours of each other.

random post by metal:

I have 15 minutes before I leave, okay?? please reach out to me my teammates are saying that you're town but I'm uppity about that!

then ooba posts this:

Wait - WTF - Wgeurts self voted?

and then immediately this:

Vote: Grey

and I have no idea why. then there are a bunch of weird exchanges and there is these 2:

I actually didn't realise that was the lynching vote. But I don't think I would have voted otherwise given wgeurts venge + Nacho's pressure from the grave.

cos its like ooba suddenly wanted to get on board with the "venge plan". I mean he ignored it when it mattered and we cld obtain reasonable info and lynched wguerts instead. he then later decides to follow it and now wants to stick with it without any explanation of his thought process.

and then metal says this which is a lie:

I actually didn't realise that was the lynching vote. But I don't think I would have voted otherwise given wgeurts venge + Nacho's pressure from the grave.

Exactly.

And nacho set the venge plan which I never liked but now every1 wants it and I'm the only one who don't, so sucks to be me majority wins

I don't like how metal is trying to speed his way through the game and that is exactly what he is doing by spamposting and seems to want any lynch that has the possibility to happen and pressuring pple by whining about how bored he is.

anyway that is 1 piece that I am noticing. cos the inertia that he thinks is happening is not actually happening.

[pirate mollie]

At Mollie: to be honest I am guilty of spamming the thread. Although most of it was mevgrey bs. I honestly lost it and went back to the habits I have from chat mafia. But yea you are right.

Also Mollie here is something interesting. Abr/metal slots interactions. Tbh I didn't read it since its 2:00Am here (and I can't sleep! :[ but on top of my head I feel that those slots have been... Always together in a weird way even now.

Ooba is l2 if I am correct. And interaction shows that metal is truely not a partner of Iona. Can say the same about alchemy.

who is iona?

So we got either pairings of ooba zar or metal alchemy mainly (other pairings still possible.

Generally empire was town. And today I am starting to lean more into alchemy but I need to read in depth when I am awake.

these are different pairings than what you had before. before you had ooba/metal and then zarella/alchey. so I am not really understanding your thought progression here as to how now you have alchey/metal and then ooba/zarella and i am not following it at all. I am just not able to eat from the plate that you are absorbing your dichotomies at this time.

[pirate mollie]

CONGRATULATIONS OOBA!!!! <3

@MS:
Dan's the only one who's been following along\reading bits and pieces:
- He followed enough to get town reads on ZZZX, Wgeurts and Nacho early on and nothing much since
- Strong town on mollie now

He agrees with the middle of mollie's 4327 on MS

what middle of 4327 ^ this post? pretty sure the last time that I checked 4276 comes before 4327.

@ metal

if you got through your iso in 30 minutes then you skimmed it not read it. to iso some1 is to read them in depth and I probably go a little bit further in than some pple in that I go back to see the climate and timing of a post which requires me to read sections of the game that it happened in and do analysis on the post. this is why your spamposting is so awful cos it clogs up the game and obscures the climate and timing not to mention it just buries relevant content.

I know what inertia means so you can knock it off with the condescending crap. the intent of what you are doing is to demean and degrade through the implication that I need you to tell me what the definitions of are implying that I don't know what they mean. I am asking YOU what you mean by them cos I know that english is your second language and I want to make sure that I understand that you understand what you are saying cos sometimes are kind of wonky. I don't need you to be patronizing prick about when I ask what you mean by something, I don't need webster's I need you to explain the intent behind the words. I am asking you not to do it again.

I got to this part of your wall:

There was stagnation 3 days ago during the GreyICE day. An entire weekend of nobody posting.

erm no, I have made it a point to post everyday even if its early or late. and for the most part the players made it a point to post at least once during the weekend unless they are v/la. so no the game has not stagnated at all our game has the highest number of pages (or at least it did the last time I checked) beating even the large game. I am trying to parse weather you are:

a). scum who is trying to justify a mist spreading intention through misinformation

or

b). town who does not have a reality based grasp of the gamestate

I am not reading any of your posts until I am done with my research, I will save them for later so this will be why I am not responding in the you in thread anymore. I am hoping that I can sort you out by poe and I can just skip the reading of your posts. sorry but you have officially burned this bridge.

at this stage I am feeling ooba!scum makes sense, there are some points that wis has pointed out about seraphim and I will get to that once I finish my grey iso.

[pirate mollie]

@Ooba, Congratulations!

@ZZZX I'm definitely thinking MS is scum now after that wall post where he pretty much cherry picks and tried to discredit what I said and then switches to Zar for *reasons*. I still need to go through MS' early ISO and probably need to reread Zar's. I feel like the scumteam is definitely in MS/Zar/Ooba, and at this point you could pick any 2 players in the game and say there's been suspicion between them in at least one direction. The best way to go about this is to look at how they handled the Kagami and Sotty slots. With the current gamestate we lose if we mislynch twice, but unless I'm wrong about either you or Mollie then lynching down the line of MS/Ooba/Zar will result in 1 mislynch at worst. I'm still going to keep trying to figure out precisely who the scum are though because there's a minor chance that I'm completely off the mark and because I just want more practice with scumhunting.

you aren't wrong about me and I am coming around to the idea of you zzthing being my strongest town reads. I have ooba leaning as highly likely to be scum, so that is probs who I am going to vote today.

[pirate mollie]

... And accusing me of running away, because of course no piece of flailing is complete without the raw panic portion of tonight's entertainment!
...

And yes. I guess it's not actually running away, since you've decided to post, but that's indicative enough.

There are minutes between our exchange. 2 minutes per post. You were there and watching.

It doesn't take town a full hour to respond to a post.

Also, you hilarious piece of shit, I've been chatting with my girlfriend. About things that had nothing to do with the game, because I don't fucking care to stalk this thread.

You are using the fact I was away from this thread for ONE FUCKING HOUR to attack me? Because I wanted to chat with LLD?

You are HORRIBLE. You are fucking blacklist worthy. That sort of attack alone would put you on my blacklist for being an awful human being.

Enumerate the points against me shithead. You have two fucking minutes.

whoa

I am guessing this is 1 of the reasons kagami got demotivated. this was a bit uncalled for

[pirate mollie]

Metal Sonic, there is one defining rule of mafia here. It is "play to win". Not "play to be chivalrous". For fucks sake, if every scum play was chivalrous and upstanding, we wouldn't even have a game of mafia.

Now, if a player who hates to play scum replaces out of this particular game, but remains very active in other games, that influences my read on them. Period. And I will say so.

I have had scum use funerals, work, deaths in the family, romantic relationships, and other "tragedies" to justify their lurking, their play, or other things.

I used to give those chivalry and respect, until they were repeatedly used to manipulate me. And that was fair, because this is not a game of honor, it is a game of mafia. Read my signature.

I agree with grey here and it makes me think of ooba and his lack of anything ever since I started trying to really engage him.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, you're an asshole. A complete and absolute asshole, and I agree with everything ABR says about you. You are a person I could come to truly despise.

I am up to this point and this post makes me so sad cos I think if abr wasn't in the game we wld have gotten along. I think if I was in the game at the get go he, nacho and I wld have found each other and wld have had a perfect town win. a have a lot of healthy respect and admiration for his d1 posts. we have pretty similar approaches to the game and it is not that often that i find that in a player. our whole spat is a misunderstanding, when I swapped in I was led to believe that there was a 100% guaranteed scumflip with grey but they wldn't cos of *reasons* or something and when I finally wrangled out of them what those *reasons* were (they were all paranoid about talking about ongoing games) cos grey was looking pretty town to me! and saw those reasons I was like oh shit you guys I BASED MY REPUTATION ON THIS but I cld sort of see how they MIGHT be true but I moved my vote to sotty cos I was pretty confident that she was scum and I was gonna work with nacho and then grey followed and I was like "this feels town" but my team!mafiamates kept making me paranoid so I followed through with the grey lynch. I suspect nacho had him in the lynch pool based on my read of grey.

I wished I wld have listened to my own damn read ever since I started doing this my reads have dramatically gotten better.

I so I owe grey a giant apology postgame for my part in the misunderstanding and misread.

plus I felt town was coming apart at the seams with the wguerts lynch and we needed to get back on track with some type of flow and sequence that made sense.

getting a sense of how grey thinks i can see why he wld start hard scumreading alchey when alchey said that abr said that grey was 100% poison to the game. I think abr is some1 who thinks quite highly of himself and can do no wrong. like he still doesn't think he did anything wrong in world of mafiacraft so it doesn't surprise me that he wld fail to see how he was toxic in this game but that grey was. I have had lot discussions with ika about hypocrisy being a town tell and I think it applies here. looking at abr's and grey's early exchanges they look pretty town which firms up my alchey town read. abr started not making friends right off the bat which he knows is not a winning tactic for scum.

so up to here I have alchey as strong town. I agree with everything grey said about seraphim. I am probably going to skim the rest of grey's iso and go to his last thoughts see what they were especially wrt ooba.

[pirate mollie]

Okay, first of all we are most certainly doing the vig plan for 4:2 and 3:2. 4:2 it is nearly impossible to lynch scum, and 3:2 is quite difficult.

I would quite willingly be lynched to ensure this occurs.

That is a simple fact. Vigging gave us two scum. I am quite happy to be lynched for a vig shot.

@Alchemist

I believe I explained many times my hard town read on ABR. Why is it gone in an instant? A bald-faced lie.

ABR WOULD NOT SAY THAT AS TOWN

. Period. ABR knows my scum game, and that was a lazy fucking read that represents something I would never do.

ABR does not say shit like that.

"Toxic in the scum thread driving down the morale of the team?" Kagami even said the issue was occuring in his

Team Mafia thread.

It was a supremely lazy lie.

ZZZX:

I like stuff today. I looked up the plans and... I think they're shit. I think this plan is shit. That doesn't mean its necessarily scum. You're still on a high pick, simply because I have no idea why the towniest people are Ooba and Mollie! That's just sheer nonsense read. After a strong start, Ooba has dropped off the face of the planet, and Mollie is Mollie.

Zar:

Do NOT mislynch Zar. Lynch me first. If you think he's my scumbuddy, then my flip should convince you that's fucking nonsense. Anyone arguing for his lynch after that should summarily be strung up... well, at least vigged until we have 1 scum left.

She's also not willing to scumread that many players: yesterday, she had a townread on ZZZX, wgeurts, ABR, Zar, Hoopla. If you add her to that townblock, you get {Kagami, Seraphim, Eddie, Nacho, GreyICE, Metal Sonic}. She said the only thing she had against Kagami was her lurking, but she made a few points and then disappeared. She pushed against Serpahim. She took light potshots against Metal Sonic. She soft-pushed me a couple of times to say I never was intense as I usually was, but never really advanced past that.

Currently scum reading Metal. Zar is slipping down that slide too. Outside of that my strong town reads are ABR, wgeurts and maybe ZZZX. Eddie is more neutral. You... I'm not sure on. I want to believe. I'm thinking that GreyICE v Kagami could be town v town which means I am missing a scum that I need to figure out, but I think that will come once we actually get some good lynches going.

Her thought processes are also basically just lacking in depth: town-Sotty isn't afraid to pursue a variety of different avenues, she has small theories here and there, her reads are fluid as hell because she's constantly thinking about them, and even though I'm willing to allow a little bit dialed back because working in the coal mines is seriously tiring business, but this Sotty feels like a different person completely from normal town game.

I very much disagree that I haven't been pushing different avenues. You just don't like said avenues. There is a difference there.

I do very much like nacho's Seraphirm and Eddie paragraphs though. This is more of what I want to see makes me hesitant to jump on your wagon.

Zar

~ Why are you voting Kagami? I think I missed that. You wrote a whole post talking about Empire's reads and then slapped a vote down with no further explanation.

Seraphim is still actively lurking like a mother. I really don't get why we're willing to just let that slide right now.

This should very convincingly argue Zar=Town. It also fairly convincingly points to Ooba town. Could be a bus, maybe. But really?

Outside of that my strong town reads are ABR, wgeurts and maybe ZZZX.

Would be extremely impressed and weirded out if that was three town. That sentence has been bothering me for a long time.

Mollie:

Wguerts flipping town makes me feel better about her and her team. Marginally. Could have been opportunistic yesterday and voted whoever for two lynches, tried strongly to get me lynched instead.

Metal Sonic:

Still believe he's town. If he is scum, it is 110% with alchemist.

Sotty I gave you metal sonic meta to look at :/

Oh my bad I'll check it out before the end of today.

Not extremely confident in everything right now, so I want to talk with my team.

this was grey's last post of content and then he was hammered by ooba. its 1 of the reasons why I think ooba is scum.

I see and understand his points about alchey/abr but I really think that if abr was scum he wld opt to stay in the game after I just townread him so then in post game he cld gleefully clap his hands and say, "you suck as either alignment mollie and I just proved it!". I can see him swapping out cos he wld rather gauge out his eyeballs with a very dull butterknife than work with a town!me. after reading some of the middle exchanges I can see where grey is coming from (now that I know his alignment and absorbed everything he has posted in its entirety) with his reads on zzthing and alchey.

I think that it is likely that his seraphim/ooba read is correct and that there is a distinct possibility that 1 of his townreads is wrong. I see and understand his zzthing scumread trust me I do! but zzthing is always like that he makes scummy posts as does wguerts all of the time it is what makes them so hard to read and lynchbait. what i am seeing is town earnestness from zzthing and that is what i am finding myself responding to. I am taking on board what grey has said tho and I will continue to reevaluate.

but for right now I am going to work with where our reads intersected which is I am about now feeling like ooba is most likely scum.

for right now consider my vote on ooba

but I don't want another speedlynch before I have a chance to look at some things and have ooba's response.

and sorry about the consecutive multi-posts cos I am sure some1 is going to shape it in their minds that I am being a hypocrite but my posts are very game relevant and intended to move the game forward so I am pretty okay with it. I really wanted to look at grey's thoughts and get some of them out there, the 1s that I agreed with now that we know he was town.

next on my list is to iso emp and then zarella.

[pirate mollie]

Do you think Ooba is more likely scum with MS or Zar, or are you going to try and figure it out post-flip?

I got yelled at by my team for voting MS, and ABR is leaning Ooba and Zar as the most likely scum.

I am going to try to figure out post flip cos I will have more info. an ooba flip will clear some things for me.

what gives me hesitancy about scum!zarella is the feel of a singer reach out in his posts.

I don't get the metal townread AT ALL. his posts feel like bullshitting his way through reads but ugh, when he resorts to baiting me he is usually town. I wld like to see an ooba flip first plus I wanna look at emp's posts and look at some other things.

[pirate mollie]

I WILL move my vote to you

You're already voting Kagami.

didnt i move my vote to hoopla?

-After ISOing self:

Wat... lol

anyway I guess my vote deserves to stay anyway...

I honestly thought i was voting hoopla >.<

Mollie, since you have experience with ZZZX, what do you make of this interaction ABR pointed in thread about him forgetting his Kagami vote and confusing himself with MS?

since when has forgetfulness been a scumtell? it did at 1 point cross my mind that zzthing and metal were scum together cos of all of the shitposting that wasn't particularly relevant but I am feeling the ikaness in his posts. sure, ika probably knows how I read him and cld dodge my meta but I go back to that post where zzthing said, "ika says, if mollie says nacho is town he is town" and that post came from a pure town mindset and this was before I even replaced in. cos what scum wld not want a lynch to go through on town!nacho when you can't kill him and nacho was pretty close to getting lynched. it didn't seem to come from a "hey I want to town cred for correctly reading nacho!" mindset it seemed like town trying to help town.

[pirate mollie]

note saying I was busy today with studying, will post tomorrow on some info I have in mind about metal after re-reading him.

you mean you read his iso

twice

?

also vote VOTE: ooba

[pirate mollie]

okay this where I am at

I isoed empire and reread zarella's and this is what I have come up with

empire's iso looked really strong, the 1 thing that bugged me was that he left the game w/o leaving a trail but when I reread zar's I can see where he was still in the game and giving zar his reads as the game progressed. with that in mind and reading a town flipped grey's iso I can see a very natural progression of flow of thought and development of reads as well as a set of several reachouts which seems to come from a mindset of town. I think he is naturally just a low count poster but what i am seeing is full of content. he is now for me a strong town read.

[pirate mollie]

okay this where I am at

I isoed empire and reread zarella's and this is what I have come up with

empire's iso looked really strong, the 1 thing that bugged me was that he left the game w/o leaving a trail but when I reread zar's I can see where he was still in the game and giving zar his reads as the game progressed. with that in mind and reading a town flipped grey's iso I can see a very natural progression of flow of thought and development of reads as well as a set of several reachouts which seems to come from a mindset of town. I think he is naturally just a low count poster but what i am seeing is full of content. he is now for me a strong town read.

I have to agree. esp zar's today content.

the only thing i hated with zar was day 3-6 content being sub zero. but right now he is pretty good.

also i will post in depth reads for sonic tonight if i finish the post but the tl;dr i got was.... it wasnt too bright for sonic to say the least., (and neither for alchemist IF sonic flips scum)

yes well in the meantime can you help me lynch ooba

[pirate mollie]

If MS flips scum you can do whatever you want to me, because at that point a ZZZX/Mollie Townblock wins the game anyway.

will you plz help me with ooba? pretty plz with sugar on top?

[pirate mollie]

alchey what did you find when you isoed metal?

[pirate mollie]

since when has forgetfulness been a scumtell? it did at 1 point cross my mind that zzthing and metal were scum together cos of all of the shitposting that wasn't particularly relevant but I am feeling the ikaness in his posts. sure, ika probably knows how I read him and cld dodge my meta but I go back to that post where zzthing said, "ika says, if mollie says nacho is town he is town" and that post came from a pure town mindset and this was before I even replaced in. cos what scum wld not want a lynch to go through on town!nacho when you can't kill him and nacho was pretty close to getting lynched. it didn't seem to come from a "hey I want to town cred for correctly reading nacho!" mindset it seemed like town trying to help town.

I'm trying to understand where your townread comes from and you have more experience with him. I'm really starting to get worried that he might be the scum that's snuck to townreads. Like, for example, as soon as I've started to express my concerns of him, he suddenly starts to feel good about me, and I'm concerned how he's always found lynch alternatives in his proposed lineups. Also, Mina points out she's not endeared that he seems to have suddenly decided I'm town in 4298 AFTER you declared your townread on me.

eh i am wondering if I am putting that slot in a town pile for bad reasons tbh. BUT metal has been doing tat all game.

wis and i are looking alchey/metal but eh

the thing that is bugging me is in the vc and neither ooba or zzthing are voting. ooba has been screaming for metal's head all game, so why isn't he now? he has made 2 posts and is mia at a point in the game where I wld expect scum to fall back. zzthing is the venge kill but I don't see him really pursuing anybody, do you? this is how i expect scum to act at this juncture in a nightless.

[pirate mollie]

metal wrote:

because previously I was "super town" on your list and somehow now I am back on the lynchability list.

quote where i said you were super town cos i am pretty sure I have never said that.

also a tl;dr is this:

Dont be offended metal but generally ur reactions with kagami/sotty reminded me of organic mafia's reads and reactions to me and mollie.

add that to the fact that titus vca exists. you are a guy that doesnt follow people easily., yet you are just 2 steps away from worshipping titus vca even tho frankly it has been wrong so far. it felt as fake as kagami read list. Giving alchemist extra scum points tbh. but alchemist did great things today.

that and a few things including pure gut.

when did you decide that metal was acting like he did in organic chemistry? cos I remember having to ask you repeatedly about it and i thought you said, "not really".

[pirate mollie]

i have never said "not really" about it tbh, i remeber i posted about it 2 times but I generally wasnt too sure so I just let it pass about it. but after re-reading metal I felt it for sure.

what about you? do you feel anything about it?

I am feeling that I want ooba lynched and I am not really finding a particularly good reason not to do this.

[pirate mollie]

i have never said "not really" about it tbh, i remeber i posted about it 2 times but I generally wasnt too sure so I just let it pass about it. but after re-reading metal I felt it for sure.

what about you? do you feel anything about it?

I am feeling that I want ooba lynched and I am not really finding a particularly good reason not to do this.

well... intent to hammer ooba within 24 hours max.

where is your town!ooba case?

but ill be honestr having the wagon with metal-alchemist is sad for my mind state

so why don't you vote metal and make a case for town!ooba vs scum!metal?

[pirate mollie]

Even after this?

ooba, answer me this later when you've caught up.

Grey (if town) ultimately caught Sotty + Kagami, which we both could not have done; we both did catch Sotty but Kagami slipped by our fingers (you called kagami town and almost derailed her lynch. Thankfully lynch inertia pushed it through despite your intervention).

If Grey venges would you trust him to do it right despite it being counter intuitive? I mean we may think he is wrong but we might be the wrong one here.

Even if you think zzzx is town, let's say hypothetically grey flips town. Will you follow the venge?

I think a grey lynch has set gears in motion. We'll scumhunt\theorize but I think ill follow venge

the problem is that you have not theorized OR scumhunt nor supported the venge with a vote. so I am not exactly sure what the point of this post is?

[pirate mollie]

eh i am wondering if I am putting that slot in a town pile for bad reasons tbh. BUT metal has been doing tat all game.

wis and i are looking alchey/metal but eh

the thing that is bugging me is in the vc and neither ooba or zzthing are voting. ooba has been screaming for metal's head all game, so why isn't he now? he has made 2 posts and is mia at a point in the game where I wld expect scum to fall back. zzthing is the venge kill but I don't see him really pursuing anybody, do you? this is how i expect scum to act at this juncture in a nightless.

Do you think MS has found alternatives to his lynch canditates all the time? Because distinctively, what remember them both Metal and ZZZX doing most of the time was the whole shifting stances. I've gone over part of ZZZX's first because off the top of my head, what I did remember of him was seeming to have a path of lineups that kept saving his suspects for later. Like in this exchange here and here with ABR his previous logic train had his team thinking Kagami was the most likely scum in that pool; and prior to that he had been voting her and then is like, he totally forgot he was voting that slot?

I'm a little behind with my iSOing, I'll get back on track on Monday after I'm back home. I'll be mostly V/LA until then.

quadz V/LA until May 5th

what is breaking my heart here is that you are going on v/la whil vote parking on a wagon that is unlikely to go anywhere and somehow you have managed to not comment at all on this nice shiny ooba wagon.

[pirate mollie]

I asked you before I 180 on my venge if you can hit scum 100% tomorrow.

This guy here is fearmongering. Everyone know that if someone claims to be able to hit scum 100%, they are lying and should be lynched instead. Nobody who is town should be answering "I am 100% hitting scum".

And even if I am the super sonic, who can 100% hit scum,

it's

mollie

who will be the

hammer

. So mollie is 100% responsible. If I get lynched, I am partially responsible for not looking town enough. But ultimately mollie is responsible.


Fuck the venge,

you're scum.

VOTE: ZZZX

with this:

There was a SIMILAR SPATE of posts 1v1 where me vs ZZZX took up 3 pages (which made many think that it was a Me/ZZZX scumteam, scum had a LOT of ammo against

us

for that)

why wld scum have a lot of ammo against "us" if metal thinks zzthing is scum?

I asked wis about it and he asked if metal was high. I said I don't think so he is just a kid but jesus christ i don't even know how to parse his posts anymore.

metal if you are town then you need to get a grip.

[pirate mollie]

Even after this?

ooba, answer me this later when you've caught up.

Grey (if town) ultimately caught Sotty + Kagami, which we both could not have done; we both did catch Sotty but Kagami slipped by our fingers (you called kagami town and almost derailed her lynch. Thankfully lynch inertia pushed it through despite your intervention).

If Grey venges would you trust him to do it right despite it being counter intuitive? I mean we may think he is wrong but we might be the wrong one here.

Even if you think zzzx is town, let's say hypothetically grey flips town. Will you follow the venge?

I think a grey lynch has set gears in motion. We'll scumhunt\theorize but I think ill follow venge

the problem is that you have not theorized OR scumhunt nor supported the venge with a vote. so I am not exactly sure what the point of this post is?

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:

[pirate mollie]

okey lets get some facts straight,

do you agree that zar is town first:?

also who are my possible partners here?

I believe Zar is town. Some paranoia since the vla was bad - but I've got to make a stand somewhere.

Alch is a possible partner. Mollie was a possible partner but the unvote makes me doubt that.

okey so lets get this straight first,

Every single flipped town said mollie is town, and you as a person who palyed so much with mollie must know better mollie is town, and claiming otherwise is scum claiming here because its obv.

do you disagree about this point?

I haven't had a great history of reading Mollie and vice versa. The posting also fit the southern bellies playstylr. It isn't obvious to me.

Also flipped town also called ABR and Ms the town bloc. So that really doesn't hold that much sway with me.

Grey didn't call Mollie town btw.

yes he did. its in his final reads list.

[pirate mollie]

I am going for bit will be back later

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: metal

[pirate mollie]

zarella can you give an actual read on ooba tia?

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: metal

Mollie please come back to ZZZX or switch to Ooba with me.

why do you suddenly not want to lynch metal?

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: alchemist

[pirate mollie]

Also, @Mollie, Titus says she's mad because you are literally repeating Survivor Mafia. She's 95% confident on ZZZX and 75% on Ooba and would bet the game on them as the scumteam.

I certainly hope so cos we won the survivor game as town.

I still get a chuckle out of this:

Question 5: Who did the most players say has it coming?

Everyone said Titus. Everyone is right.

altho really lynching metal wld better fit the survivor game if you and metal happened to be town.

[pirate mollie]

yeah I am not understanding your point here

[pirate mollie]

Well apparantly I don't either, because Titus just told me I inadvertantly agreed with you about lynching Metal. She said Harry Potter, Knight Errant, or Uncouth had complete VC's and would be better references.

The bottom line is that her VCA is usually highly accurate and she has Ooba/ZZZX as her scumspects from both her VCA's this game.

see, I don't trust titus's vcas. in uncouth she had brantz as town (he was scum) and ap as scum (who was town) and from my perspective she just happened to get ut right with 2 wrong reads due to her vca.

I have ooba/zzthing as mebbe scum if they are they are putting on a pretty spectacular show! I think it is kinda in between you/metal and zzthing/ooba but lynching you will help resolve my vague scum!zarella worry.

[pirate mollie]

What will my flip tell you about Zar?

VOTE: alchemist

This is interesting - why an Alch preference over Metal?

this is where I am at altho i feel like I have already sort of explained it.

in the nightless games that i have played/spectate there comes a point right around close to mylo where town starts to lose their frigging minds and become bloodthirsty paranoid psychopaths willing to lynch anything with a pulse. emotional break downs begin to occur, threats revolve around blacklisting, pple start telling other pple as to why they hate them and their is just sort of this panicky I don't know what the fuck is going on type of severe paranoia where you can have a mason level townread and still wonder if they are somehow scum.

I kind of akin to it as being in alaska during the summer where there is no night and pple get a little crazy. I am not seeing this in alchey or zarella and it is confusing me.

scum seem to sit back cos w/o a nk the game gets harder and so they either take potshots at town (metal) or go for any wagon that remotely may grow legs (alchey).

the townread on zarella rests entirely on emp and what I know of emp cos zarella is not impressing me that much. well, there is also singer's reachouts which make me think he is town. I have vague niggles there. I don't like how he ignored the ooba and metal wagons.

but I have much stronger niggles about alchey/metal. gamestate healthwise, I think it wld be better to lynch metal cos there is a good chance he might be scum and I am tired of his baiting. and tbh that is where I might end up for that reason.

for me an alchey flip will hopefully allow me to poe it out. whether he flips town or scum I have more to work with.

ooba and zzthing are ateing out of their minds. it is reminding me of anything goes and how I was just ready to be lynched cos the suspicion on me for the reasons given were pretty retarded.

mebbe I am wrong. I don't know. in my heart I feel like alchey or metal is the best place to start.

[pirate mollie]

VOTECOUNT 7.13

Alchemist (3) - Zar, Pirate Mollie, ZZZX
ZZZX (2) - Metal Sonic, Alchemist

Not Voting (1) - Ooba

With 6 alive, it is 4 to lynch.

ZZZX is V/LA until 5/6.

Deadline is 5/6 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-05-06 18:00:00).

Mollie if you're online let me know.

I just got on.

can you stop being a paranoid freakshow of a player for

5 fucking minutes

I think you are town here cos I have the sudden overwhelming desire to strangle you which is exactly what i wanted to do in lost rooms when you, far and tere wandered off chasing shiny things while wis and I patiently waited for you guys to lynch scummy guyett and klazam. I never feel this way when you are scum ever.

I feel like metal is practically announcing he is scum right now and i will take out an insurance policy on you and eat you and then send the insurance money to your soon to be wife if you try to rationalize that he is somehow town.

zzthing plz stop talking to scum.

[pirate mollie]

And since the three of us are online, we can lynch MS.

The way I see it - it's most probably MS-Alch - but lynching MS is a hedging thing for the 5% case where it is MS-Zar.

see I was wondering in paranoiaville if it was somehow alchey and zarella cos of how subdued they both are. but I am good with lynching metal since I think there is a good chance that alchey and metal are scum together. metal is flat out lying at this point about zzthing, he is dodging, deflecting, strawmanning as well as using sleazy scum tactics.

VOTE: metal

eta: don't worry I said the same thing to ika in hu2 when he kept talking to scum!titus!

[pirate mollie]

And since the three of us are online, we can lynch MS.

The way I see it - it's most probably MS-Alch - but lynching MS is a hedging thing for the 5% case where it is MS-Zar.

see I was wondering in paranoiaville

if it was somehow alchey and zarella cos of how subdued they both are

. but I am good with lynching metal since I think there is a good chance that alchey and metal are scum together. metal is flat out lying at this point about zzthing, he is dodging, deflecting, strawmanning as well as using sleazy scum tactics.

VOTE: metal

eta: don't worry I said the same thing to ika in hu2 when he kept talking to scum!titus!

Yeah. But Zar scum with Alch would have definitely switched his vote out from Alch. Keeping a vote on a scum partner before V\LA or even the time he popped in in between - makes me think not scum partners.

okay i see where you are going with this.

[pirate mollie]

Also mollie I'm getting tired of you taking little jabs at me. You've been doing this for a while now. Singer insists you like to do this in order to get people to react so you can read them better, but all it does to me is make me reconsider ever signing up to games with you in them if this is what you do. So stop taking pot shots at me and know we're town here so #dealwithit.

are you srsly considering blacklisting me cos I am mentioning some paranoia about you but emp really saves your slot and somehow this translates into me taking pot shots and jabs at you? do you even know what that looks like? cos metal's iso is full of them but they weren't aimed at you so I guess you have no problem with them?

I am outright stating my suspicion of you and giving my reasons as to why i have them. I mean I guess if you take offence to it then I guess we shldn't play games together?

cos I have not said anything against you as a person, when I said that I wasn't impressed with you I meant that I was being given a solid town impression. did you take that comment personally? coss ooba is having the same niggles about you that i am having yet why is he exempt?

I feel like I never understand these things.

[pirate mollie]

*wasn't being given a solid town impression. I feel like you cld be doing so much more.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: alchey

[pirate mollie]

the thing with zarella is that I wld think that emp wld spend his tokens on rolling town not scum. plus i don't think emp pointing out that metal was lying about the tokens wld come from scummate!him. so its 1 of you 2. I think its ooba.

VOTE: ooba

there is a chance it is zzthing but wis swear's that zzthing has said some things that only town zzthing wld say.

[pirate mollie]

eh wis and I are arguing he thinks its defo zarella

UNVOTE: UNVOTE:

[pirate mollie]

if you guys think I am 100% town then why the fuck are you pestering me with ankle biting questions?

[pirate mollie]

also i would love if everyone came here for 10 minutes so we can get this game done, we only need to finish a few things and this game will be finished.

for some1 who is so gung ho for the game to end, you sure as hell aren't placing a vote!

[pirate mollie]

also i would love if everyone came here for 10 minutes so we can get this game done, we only need to finish a few things and this game will be finished.

for some1 who is so gung ho for the game to end, you sure as hell aren't placing a vote!

I want to get thoughts from players, also mini wall incoming so stay tuned.

what thoughts do you want to get that are not ankle biting questions that are easily discerned from previous posts?

also I fucked up the quote tags earlier

UNVOTE:

[pirate mollie]

mollie, you know we (or mostly ika) know your meta and your interactions, if you recall HU2 you learned a lot about ika's parnaoid backhand thoeiries that he carrries.

right now i am inclinced to think its zar overall and thats where we are goign to prob put our vote. however if we are wrong and it goes to a fucked up 3p lylo with me/you/ooba. i want to know this now then later.

given how the gaem has been going down we am fucked up paranoid and that you know how we are and that we almost always carry a back pocket idea and right now its that we are wrong on zar and its in one of you/ooba.

i dont plan on lynchign the either of you today but we want some peace of mind at least. the other minro thing that has been othering ika is how you ahevent really reached out to me to get to ika as often. While you and I both know the external thigns, its another thing that gives me pause.

why wld I reach out to a player who isn't in the game? especially since I see how it is being misused all over team mafia in a very big way?

[pirate mollie]

Mollie i will be honest to you, I got ika in skype and hes literally shocked right now.....
How is ika misusing you in any way? Like seriously. I am telling you this right here as a medium. I dont get it.
ika is like 2 seconds away form coming into that thread jsut to talk to you now for even thinking that he would ever misuse her if thats what you are implying.

he is genuinely... shocked

idc

it is misusing the mechanic not misusing the person if you can't see the difference then I don't know what to tell you.

and if you can't see as to why I am paranoid of you cos you helped metal spam up the thread then I don't know what to say about that either!

[pirate mollie]

first of all me spamming the thread is something that I always do, its my nature (and the reason i ended up catching metal for his bullshit)

ill ask ika about the mechanic as I dont see your point about it.

did nacho try to read me through eddie? yes. was he right? no. it wasn't until I became directly involved that he cld correctly read me.

trying to read a player via their teammate who isn't playing is how the mechanic is being misused IMO. I am not sure how I can be any clearer.

[pirate mollie]

- AGAINST: She voted Alch over MS initially on D8

are you talking about that vote where I explained my reasoning for wanting alchey so that I cld see how I felt about zarella whom you voted out the gate? I thought that was a far more likely chance that alchey and metal were scum together and said so and you did too.

and do you honestly think mine and metal's interactions are somehow scum theatre? he was baiting me the entire game and got nasty with me when I told him to stfu and stop spam posting. if you think that I cld possibly be scum with him then you are out of your damn mind or scum. especially if you think that I am somehow clever enough to sneak past nacho.

[pirate mollie]

I'm seriously paranoid of ooba's tilting against Metal Sonic, and then trying to use against me that I was voting Alchemist. Then there's the whole trying to go after Mollie thing, which to me doesn't make any sense.

But I'm also really worried Mollie's been letting ZZZX slip by because she seems to like him more than anyone else in this game, I've doubted the integrity of her read of him for a while now and yet she hasn't managed to properly convey why she's townreading him. IDK. I'm seriously worried she might vote wrong in the end if I get lynched today.

I was really convinced Alchemist was scum with all his read changing, I think I'm going to have to do some re-reading and just dealing with going over ZZZX makes me want to gauge my eyes out.

I am pretty sure I explained my zzthing townread? if you doubted it then why did you not mention it at the time? what part do you not understand?

[pirate mollie]

also I am very interested in your venge kill choice. is it zzthing? why not ooba?

I feel like you are totally hedging your reads here.

[pirate mollie]

also I am very interested in your venge kill choice. is it zzthing? why not ooba?

I feel like you are totally hedging your reads here.

Who do you think is likelier to be scum with Metal Sonic? Ooba, who wrenched the wagon outside of Metal Sonic when he could have secured a wagon for Alchemist, or ZZZX, who had the whole theatrical with MS yesterday?

Also, do tell me if I should just not bother gauging through his gargantuan iso at this point, because your comment seems to imply you won't be changing your mind on him (which is what concerns me).

so do you have a town read on ooba?

if you can't tackle zzthing's then why not tackle ooba's and seraphim's posts? cos i am pretty unclear as to where you stand with him.

[pirate mollie]

Also, mollie, we did not bid any scum tokens. We used three town tokens here and we used two town tokens for Regfan

to keep his sanity

.

Dan calls BS on this.

He says it is apparent you spent tokens to avoid theme and normal games. Also, if anyone got town tokens in your team, he says it would have been Mina.

I don't think that emp used tokens to get into a game that a lot players don't feel enthused about playing. this was the first game for emp after a very long break and I know he prefers town so I am thinking he spent the tokens on alignment.

[pirate mollie]

Also, mollie, we did not bid any scum tokens. We used three town tokens here and we used two town tokens for Regfan

to keep his sanity

.

Dan calls BS on this.

He says it is apparent you spent tokens to avoid theme and normal games. Also, if anyone got town tokens in your team, he says it would have been Mina.

I don't think that emp used tokens to get into a game that a lot players don't feel enthused about playing. this was the first game for emp after a very long break and I know he prefers town so I am thinking he spent the tokens on alignment.

^ this is what is throwing me for a loop. cos zarella on his own looks like the scummiest thing to ever slither out of a truck stop toilet. if I cld see his towngame in a game that I was actually in i wld have a better baseline for it. he might just be 1 of those players who always looks scummy to me when he is town. that is what I am trying to figure out.

I feel like ooba is calculatedly and selectively scumhunting. the reasons he is applying as to why he is town are the same reasons why I shld be a lock in for a town read and that bothers me cos that isn't what he is doing, he is trying to find some reason to cling to as to why I might be scum. it seems like he is planning for lylo when if he really thought zarella was scum he shldn't be thinking that at all. but zarella's latest posts are pretty dismal and it looks like he is slobbering for a lynch like a vulture who is waiting for dinner as long as it is not him.

I just have vague, general feelings about possible scum!zzthing. I didn't like how I had to pester him to look at organic chemistry cos metal's play reminded me of that game and zzthing never really answered except to bring it up later in order to push his point on scum!metal and it just feels off to me.

bah. idk. I am going to wait to see how zarella responds to my posts.

[pirate mollie]

Tbh you just missed my post even before you asked saying I felt the interaction similar but whatever it is.

Also I have said that before. ATM my mind is saying kill zar and gut is saying it ooba. Its interesting

I don't remember it happening that way? I asked you 3 times before I finally got an answer.

I also don't consider you a spammy poster usually you seem to lurk a lot at least the games that I have played with you in. that is why your spamposting spree with metal looks bad to me.

[pirate mollie]

I feel like ooba is calculatedly and selectively scumhunting. the reasons he is applying as to why he is town are the same reasons why I shld be a lock in for a town read and that bothers me cos that isn't what he is doing, he is trying to find some reason to cling to as to why I might be scum. it seems like he is planning for lylo when if he really thought zarella was scum he shldn't be thinking that at all.

If by selective scum hunting, you mean pushing for scum lynches all game then sure.

Also, that point was FOR\AGAINST. You did choose to vote Alchemist over MS on that day and that's something a MS scumbuddy would have done.

But you miss the forest for the trees - overall, that post was very positive about you. If we had gone to LyLo, I would voted ZZZX over you. Especially since ZZZX posted like "Zar & Ooba in Me - mollie - the other guy who do you think is the most likely ot be scum? who is the most likely to be town out of mollie./the other guy? i would like to do a quick experament" - which seems more like LyLo info collection to see how I would vote.

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Anyway,
- Mollie choose to vote me today
- ZZZX "ATM my mind is saying kill zar and gut is saying it ooba."

If the Zar thing doesn't end the game today, the town person in you has to stop being an idiot and handing the game over to scum.

Vote: Zar

Just read my goddamn ISO.

see I read this post and it just makes me wonder if you have a seekrit powah that drives pple to want to murder you as town. I thought I was the only 1.

I feel so less alone right now!

but i do wonder how you think that I am being an idiot and handing the game to scum when I was 2 scum lynches and the only reason I was not on the third was cos you pple did it in 6 hours while I was away. also I am waiting for zarella to answer as to why he thinks that I wld pick incorrectly in lylo. <----to me that insinuates that he thinks 1 of you 2 is scum but all i see are vague aspersions towards zzthing so I am not sure what to make of it. what I am missing is the walk through with that line of thinking and his town!you case.

if you are scum then gg, cos you are frustrating the hell out of me which clouds my thinking.

if me, you and zzthing are all town I think i might order tshirts for all of us that says, "I SURVIVED A NIGHTLESS GAME" which neither of you will wear cos probably neither of you are as geeky as me but I am hoping you will at least wear it for 5 minutes and take a picture of it and send it to me.

[pirate mollie]

there is also this little niggle where I wonder why you keep overlooking the fact that you abandoned the metal lynch and lynched wguerts instead. but I am leaning towards that you wld unlikely lynch him alongside metal.

[pirate mollie]

WHILE WE WAIT FOR ZARELLA

what colour shld we choose?

[pirate mollie]

I'm busy until tomorrow morning, which is when I'd be able to go over the Seraphim/Ooba posts. Going from memory and paranoia aside, I don't think ooba makes sense as the last remaining Mafia, but singer agrees with Mollie on how she perceives he's been posting.

Oh and ZZZX I have a few things to say, some of which site-wide rules on civility prevent, though! (One of them involves extending Mina's piece of mind on Dan's supposed experience of how we'd be spending tokens, because really... oh and Also, if your team is calling BS on how I spent tokens, ooba you're just calling me scum without seeming to care about how we used tokens to affect our alignment here).

But at least from my POV, that ZZZX's continued intention to push the game mindlessly makes him the most likely remaining mafia. If mollie hammers me before I come back because she can't see how he's buttered her up, I hope at least she promises to give it a couple of days thought before she places a vote.

VOTE: ZZZX.

lucky for you tboner is in town and I will mostly be busy with commune stuff!

I will be busy tonight and probs most of tomorrow but I will check in when I can.

[pirate mollie]

Zar, I don't understand this token stuff because I'm a replacement.

I'm relaying what Dan told me. He's reading the thread - so if you have anything specific countering that - post it here and he'll reply.

Let's just say, paraphrasing Mina, that your team's speculation about our token use is very angering to her and he's completely wrong.

For better Reference on Empire 101, I give CES from Zachtown:

Dazed and Confused is a Mina/Empire Hydra

Subject: Micro 134 (F11) (Game Over!)

See her title.

You don't have to worry about Dazzled and Blinded as their townieness is beyond questioning.

Empire doesn't even have a scum game.

well

there is this game that came after that 1:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=31262

it was his hydra with marble. emp did most of the posting (at least when I was in the game, I died n2) so he DOES have a scum game in which pple can look at! and its pretty good!

so that is a pretty specious argument!

eta: ooooohhhh lookit dat xpost

[pirate mollie]

okay so I am not dazzled by zarella.

if it is either ooba or zzthing I am going to spam the thread with poetry and music imbued with the exact reasons as to why I hate them.

VOTE: zarella

[pirate mollie]

okay so I am not dazzled by zarella.

if it is either ooba or zzthing I am going to spam the thread with poetry and music imbued with the exact reasons as to why I hate them.

VOTE: zarella

Ika approves (tm)

is ika even up yet?

[pirate mollie]

he told me a similiar thing 12 hours ago if zar flips town

he told you a similar thing of what?