8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[Metal Sonic]

Fuck

If it's alche/zar I am going to grab a mallet...




P-edit: I think you know that he's flipping town and I believe that, lol

[Metal Sonic]

My teammates do not allow me to go at zar

I do not allow myself to go at alchey


That's it. I think FTER I go to bed I have to go back to Mafia proper

[Metal Sonic]

damn ooba you really sound town

[ZZZX]

I dont really think I will accept for one guy's venge to be accepted while another doesnt imho. it was you metal who said we need to scum hunt instead of venge so we cant just follow and stop the plan randomly. imho.

my team mates fucking blown my ears screaming at me not to self vig, and they have a point.

p-edit: well ooba is prob town as i told ya.

[ZZZX]

anyway now we wait for the mod to tell us the result.

i had the scare of my life about kagami being town and shit happening and I am having the same thing now. #hype

[Metal Sonic]

the thing is we ended up lynching grey anyway. So we actually followed the venge despite me trying not to .

It's like magic


I hope grey flips scum but I think that's like 'fat chance' seeing how it's like

[Metal Sonic]

I dont really think I will accept for one guy's venge to be accepted while another doesnt imho. it was you metal who said we need to scum hunt instead of venge so we cant just follow and stop the plan randomly. imho.

my team mates fucking blown my ears screaming at me not to self vig, and they have a point.

p-edit: well ooba is prob town as i told ya.

If you are town don't self vote. Just let town vote you cause otherwise we can't rally enough votes to get a consensus (see what happened today but with less town)

I'll scumhunt.

Let's see the flip first

[ZZZX]

If you are town don't self vote. Just let town vote you cause otherwise we can't rally enough votes to get a consensus (see what happened today but with less town)

if town finds me scum using scum hunting that is something else .

[Metal Sonic]

what are you talking about??

[ooba]

I actually didn't realise that was the lynching vote. But I don't think I would have voted otherwise given wgeurts venge + Nacho's pressure from the grave.

[Metal Sonic]

I actually didn't realise that was the lynching vote. But I don't think I would have voted otherwise given wgeurts venge + Nacho's pressure from the grave.

Exactly. And nacho set the venge plan which I never liked but now every1 wants it and I'm the only one who don't, so sucks to be me majority wins

[ZZZX]

what are you talking about??

honestly at this stage the game is already won most likely.

i grey flips scum however its won 100%

[Metal Sonic]

Like even though I don't like something I still have to do it

Ugh

[Metal Sonic]

what are you talking about??

honestly at this stage the game is already won most likely.

i grey flips scum however its won 100%

Yep!!!

[Metal Sonic]

ooba, answer me this later when you've caught up.

Grey (if town) ultimately caught Sotty + Kagami, which we both could not have done; we both did catch Sotty but Kagami slipped by our fingers (you called kagami town and almost derailed her lynch. Thankfully lynch inertia pushed it through despite your intervention).

If Grey venges would you trust him to do it right despite it being counter intuitive? I mean we may think he is wrong but we might be the wrong one here.

Even if you think zzzx is town, let's say hypothetically grey flips town. Will you follow the venge?

[ooba]

ooba, answer me this later when you've caught up.

Grey (if town) ultimately caught Sotty + Kagami, which we both could not have done; we both did catch Sotty but Kagami slipped by our fingers (you called kagami town and almost derailed her lynch. Thankfully lynch inertia pushed it through despite your intervention).

If Grey venges would you trust him to do it right despite it being counter intuitive? I mean we may think he is wrong but we might be the wrong one here.

Even if you think zzzx is town, let's say hypothetically grey flips town. Will you follow the venge?

I think a grey lynch has set gears in motion. We'll scumhunt\theorize but I think ill follow venge

Also he could be scum I guess? Hope.

[Metal Sonic]

ooba, answer me this later when you've caught up.

Grey (if town) ultimately caught Sotty + Kagami, which we both could not have done; we both did catch Sotty but Kagami slipped by our fingers (you called kagami town and almost derailed her lynch. Thankfully lynch inertia pushed it through despite your intervention).

If Grey venges would you trust him to do it right despite it being counter intuitive? I mean we may think he is wrong but we might be the wrong one here.

Even if you think zzzx is town, let's say hypothetically grey flips town. Will you follow the venge?

I think a grey lynch has set gears in motion. We'll scumhunt\theorize but I think ill follow venge

Also he could be scum I guess? Hope.

Same. Wow you really are my opposite

[Metal Sonic]

If grey flips scum... Kill zar, no questions

[Metal Sonic]

All right, talk's over.

Thanks for being here ooba, I appreciate your presence.

I'm leaving, bye

[quadz08]

VOTECOUNT 6.4

GreyICE (4) - Pirate Mollie, ZZZX, Metal Sonic, Ooba

Not Voting (3) - Alchemist, GreyICE, Zar

With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch.

Deadline is 5/4 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-05-04 18:00:00).

[quadz08]

A lynch has been reached.

GreyICE was a

Vanilla Townie

.

[quadz08]

VOTECOUNT 7.0

Not Voting (6) - Alchemist, Metal Sonic, Ooba, Pirate Mollie, Zar, ZZZX

With 6 alive, it is 4 to lynch.

Deadline is 5/6 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-05-04 18:00:00).

[Zar]

I am not calling any banners nacho did and you pple abandoned mr wear his heart on his sleeve 15 year old wguerts. excuse moi for thinking I have better judgment in this game than some of the other players here. like srsly who goes around as scum saying, "I'm town, how am I supposed to act?". I thought the wagon wld have dissipated after I pointed that out.

anyways I will try to work with you bit but I need to see some demonstration that you are reading my posts cos it seems largely that most pple aren't. plus you are on a team!mafia with players I know for a fact know how to emotionally manipulate me so I am STILL going to give you the squint eye.

I am reading your posts. Why would I not read them? I have shown you that I was reading them and all the time I have asked you things it's because I have been trying to understand where you're coming from. Also I have singer constantly telling me to work with you and that she would have sheeped you, except I didn't agree with your GI read at all so that's where I was.

how many nightless games have you played? I have played about 6 I think mebbe more. nightless games tend to be more high stressed than other games and scum have to pull out all of the stops, this is why I am asking.

cos neither kagami or sotty. and I maintain that there is a reason for that.

I haven't played a nightless before. This would be my first nightless game. I prefer flavorful games or with flavored mechanics.

I am looking at this playerlist and there are 2 pple on it even if I had never had a kerfuffle with cld piss off a scumteam. and that is abr and grey and metal to a very lateral degree. I maintain scum is in abr/grey cos I think they demotivated their team based on what was said in the scum pt and their actions in this game. grey's anger came out of nowhere and it looked like he was cosying up to abr. his jump off wguerts after pushing him all day and his zzthing/ooba scumteam idea doesn't really make sense to me altho I feel kind of panicky that ooba is not posting. those 2 players have come the closest to my thinking and while I think ooba is sneaky enough to do it cos he is a sneaky little sneak who likes to sneak around as scum I am just not getting that vibe here. if zzthing is scum here then holy shit he has been holding back in all of his other games.

I have you as scum cos I am not seeing 1 hard stance that you are taking. you are blending in and not trying to make waves and that worries me. like who are your scumspects? cos of right now I have no clue.

I have taken hard stances both on GreyICE and on my two earlier scumreads, which happen to have flipped scum? As far as suspects go, the player I think is scum right now is ABR/Alchemist here because of the way they halted the Kagami wagon and pushed Nacho with all that conviction that derailed the lynch from her. There are some other things I've noticed.

As far as townreads go, you are now my strongest townread. I don't think you would have jumped into a guaranteed toxic environment as scum in order to fool Nacho into townreading you. Also, despite your tunnel on GreyICE was wrong, I don't think your push on him came from a survivalistic perspective. I'm getting paranoid of the Seraphim/ooba slot because of the whole interaction with Sotty unvoting and swithching to Hoopla and which I thought couldn't come from scum considering Sotty's placeholder vote, but I'm starting to feel that with Sotty being so scumread collectively it could have been an attempt to distance from a partner. I also don't know but I thought he was genuinely scumreading wgeurts and then he removed his vote from that wagon and it's something like it could have been a way to avoid getting called out for being in the wagon and that him removing the vote and keeping away was pretty much to let it happen.

oh and the game I am referring to is http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=59772 game, bulba modded it and he is the 1 who pointed it out to me cos i was arguing that I didn't think grey wld act like he did as scum and bulba was like all yes can. and he CAN.

I went over GreyICE's meta in that game, and to me he's very different there than he was here. As in, his pushes and stances were a lot more sustained here than in that game. For example, he left his vote parked on Egg in post 144 because he didn't like the argument Riddleton had about it, but didn't really explain anything about the reasoning why he wanted Egg to be lynched and stuff. Anyway, this is pointless now?

I hate every single 1 of metal's exchanges with zzthing. I don't get why he is clearing abr and I think the reliance on titus's vca on grey is dodgy as fuck after it has been pointed out that she was obvsly wrong about wguerts. I call thorella scum in nearly every game but I am bound to be right at least some of the time. it doesn't mean I can accurately read thorella which I can't and have been saying this for months. titus's vca is shit but when it is pointed out to him he doesn't acknowledge it.

I am wondering he is hard defending abr so hard. abr's swap out looked gross and alchey is saying things that don't sound like abr. wld you like to give opinions on abr and metal? cos metal's super endorsement of town!abr suddenly makes sense as a scum move at this stage of a nightless game. but right now I am sticking with you and grey cos that just makes the most sense to me.

I am pretty paranoid right now and while I appreciate the reach out YOU are not giving ME anything to work with. so plz don't accuse me of how it is all give and you are the 1 who is doing that and not me. cos you so aren't.

also wisdom replaced eddie on my team!mafia team so I am hoping for some mindmeld and some clarity.

My team and I had ABR as being really town early on because we felt him being that antagonistic early (ie. the way he handled wgeurts) was super confident and condescending, which I thought would be something scum would possibly avoid to do early on? I also had a very vague memory of a Faraday Game in which he basically left the slot without doing anything in the game and then it turned out it was a scumslot. After I died in N2 Faraday mentioned ABR hated scum so I thought his activity here could have meant his alignment more likely town. I'll explain what I'm scumreading Alchemist for in a seapare post. So, I don't know if that's where Metal Sonic was coming from as well? I also don't see why scum!MetalSonic would suddenly shift from being hard scumreading GreyICE to suddenly thinking he's town after both scumflips and then trying to defend him in 3931?

Also, we're going to have to agree to disagree on what you think I have done, because I don't feel the same way. I think if you go over my ISO you will see what opinions I have stated of all the players in this game. You keep saying that I haven't done anything when the facts are showing the opposite.

[Alchemist21]

I'm getting tinfoil paranoia about MS and Ooba. It's more of a gut thing here, but that back-and-forth between them reads kinda fake.

I skimmed Zar's ISO and it came off really Town, and his recent post did as well. What really stuck out to me was a D2 post he had where his reads were divided into 3 tiers.

My reads are currently like this:

Tier 1:

ABR, GreyICE,

Metal Sonic
Tier 2: ZZZX,

wgeurts, Nacho

Tier 3:

Kagami, Sotty,

ooba, mollie

Anyone in Tier 1 is not up for lynching for me, and I don't think I'll be voting anyone in tier two either today.

mollie

: have your reads changed at all since the discussion from the last couple of pages?

I added the colors for clarity. That kind of accuracy on D2 is pretty amazing. I still think Mollie is Towniest of the Town here, and ZZZX is probably close behind.

That quote, my team wanting Ooba voted out, and PoE are the main factors for my vote here.

VOTE: Ooba

@Mollie, don't forget to respond to my Townblock question.

[pirate mollie]

I actually didn't realise that was the lynching vote. But I don't think I would have voted otherwise given wgeurts venge + Nacho's pressure from the grave.

Exactly. And nacho set the venge plan which I never liked but now every1 wants it and I'm the only one who don't, so sucks to be me majority wins

this is the fourth lie you have told since that big long wall of bullshit. you DID like it an you supported it and made a whole huge big deal about "following nacho cos he is a god!" until it didn't suit your purposes any longer. stop bullshitting.