Mini 425 Generic Western Mafia- Game over!

[Occult]

confirm

[Occult]

how yall doin?

That's scum talk right there.

[Occult]

Vote:Guardian

Because A speed lynch request is always suspisious.
And cause he's newer then me

[Occult]

Unvote

Guardian is still on my radar but John seems to be sitting back and watching townies lynch each other.

FOS: John

[Occult]

Is it just the ectasy I took or is this site filthy with tigers?

[Occult]

FOS: Vry

I don't remember him posting that he was going to be gone for a few...... I'd like to vote for him but with him this close to getting lynched I'd like to see him post first.

[Occult]

I agree Vry shouldn't have four votes on him. The main reason he was voted for was lurking and he was having log on problems.

Now this is interesting, Avinyl hasn't posted about the same amount of time Vry had, but we're not jumping on him.....

I'm here but do not have much more to contribute at this time... I have some feelings about who might be mafia (other than those already explained) but at this time they are no more than feelings, and I don't particularly want to tip the mafia off to them...

Vryklan post, seriously, you're looking scummier each day.

I don't know but it seems he is diverting attention from the fact that Avinyl hasn't posted either.

This could show a connection between Avi and Guardian.

[Occult]

As of right now I am suspicious of Guardian, Avinyl and Vry. I don't believe I have enough make a defenite vote (It's only page 7) but I would like to here from these three regaurding the accusations.

Vry has said only one thing when he came back and that was regaurding the shotgun comment (I don't know how that was taken the wrong way) but he hasn't offered anything substantial since then. I really want to hear from him what he thinks of where people stand.

Avinyl seems to be lurking and his only real accusation was guardian for appearing too town like. This could fit with my Guardian/Avi connection theory.

Guardian is the most suspicious to me for all the reasons mentioned above by Vel but also if you look at his posts he posted dilengently at least once a day (Ussually more) until about the time Vry reappeared. he hasn't posted three days since. This could show he took the Vry distraction to lurk for a bit.

[Occult]

Avi's post doesn't help his position with me for many of the same reasons Vel pointed out. He disapears for a few days and when he comes back he switches his votes quickly and without much reason. I would like to hear his reasons for the vote switch.

FOS Avi

[Occult]

Ok then... first off I would like to say that I am still baffled by Occult as he is suspicious of two people I am quite suspicious of (Vry, Avi)... but then also suspicious of me when Vry is and Avi is a little... Maybe this is distancing?

I don't exactly get what your trying to say. Could you please clarify.
I'm reading this as more of a OMGUS sort of thing. I've said that I am suspisious of you and Avi mostly and that still stands.

Were not even 8 pgs. into this game yet, I'd like to get a better read on the other players before I commit to a vote.

[Occult]

My accusation of Occult, however, which he has not addressed, is that of going with the flow on all his voting/fos's, and not independently targeting anyone.

I independently brought up the fact that Avi hadn't posted in the same amount of time as Vry. I also brought up the fact you conviently disapeared when Vry showed up after his log in problems. Soon after you reappear and are now attacking me it seems. As I said your accusations seem like nothing more then a lengthy OMGUS.

Also your first analysis went from me at 3rd least scummy to being the top four on your radar, I had only one post saying that I disliked Avi post. What's with the sudden change of position?

[Occult]

Guardian I have a question now, you posted at least once (Ussualy more) in a day every day until Vry reshowed up, you then stopped posting for three days. When you were called on it you immediatly posted an explanation and are now back to posting at least once a day...

You took Vry's reappearence to lurk it seems. What's your explanation of that? because I find it suspicious.

[Occult]

Firstly, please do explain your voting band wagoning if you believe it was in fact justified, or say that you were wrong and it was scummy, or whatever.

And please, as I said earlier, at some point justify your voting record.

I have one random vote and

Have not

voted since then, you need to reread the posts, I'm the one that's taking a stance against speed lynching (Yes, I believe that under 10 pages is a speed lynch).

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I re-looked over Ichigo's history and I'm getting nothing from him.

Only 10 posts
1 Confirming
2 about tigers
1 apology
2 commenting on the fact that there is not edit button
1 semi-random vote on john
1 basicly calling john stupid
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His other two posts are...

His response to Avi's Accusation, he doesn't address the accusation but tries to go around it.

the other says he doesn't add much because he doesn't know our play styles. He also comments that he has addressed the accussations on him.

He hasn't addressed why he is lurking and I'd like to hear his reasons. Since the origanal accusations were brought up by Avi who was close to lynch I believe Ichigo thought he could sit back while Avi got lynched. On the other hand Avi could be attempting to distance himself from Ichigo.

8 meaningless posts with 2 that say basicly nothing. He's now been gone for another three days

Fos Ichigo

I'd like to hear his thoughts about the players and an explanation for his meaningless posts.

[Occult]

I'm here.

Guardian's desire to stay alive may come from him being a newbie, but he has switched between a newbieish persona and an agressive one, this brings up suspisions with me.

But, I believe that our main priority should be sorting out Avi, Ichigo and DLMF. It is likely that one of these three are scum.

[Occult]

Peter seems like very good scum to me, he is appearing very pro town and asking just the right questions. he's almost being too perfect of a townie, and it rasies my suspicions, but its mostly

a gut feeling.

*cough*

DLMF, the gut vote thing doesn't cut it in my opinion. Not Page 5.

Vote: DLMF

Currently page 10, is a gut vote acceptable now? Also, we went through the "Too Townie" argument earlier, it isn't a good argument. You say he's asking the right questions and that also gives you suspisions, that's sort of a townie's job.

Your being hypocritical and using a BS reasoning.

[Occult]

I don't believe Guardian trying to stay alive is scummy, I am do have my suspicions but this isn't one of them.

On the other hand, Guardian brings up some fair points, I agree with peter to some extent but I don't believe its a good reason to attack someone.

Sefer, any word from Ichigo?

[Occult]

I'm just bumping this over the string of finished games...

[Occult]

But anything to contribute?

Not Really, it was just annoying me. I'm really waiting for Ichigo (or his replacement) to answer the suspicions I posted a page back.

Also, I want to hear somthing from Avi, more then another "I'm back!". He hasn't added much the game, that also goes for DLMF.

The finished games ahead of this one annoyed me so I bumbed it.

Now, do you have anything to contribute?

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Avi more so then Ichigo, when someone posts very few times and most of those times the posts don't even have any real content, I find it scummy.

I don't see how I'm banging my head against a wall that isn't there. I have four posts where ichigo is mentioned, one tells why I'm suspicious of him (It's not just lurking) and two of them have him paired with Avi or DLMF(in a 12 player game we really don't need 3 people not posting). I actually haven't really pushed hard for an Ichigo lynch.

Now, was your post a defence of Ichigo, an attack on me or just some sorta of filler post you threw in?

[Occult]

The Guardian/Peter debate got interesting with both saying they were being misrepresented...I need to go back and reread the posts in question to see who's right, being too sensitive or just working stuff up.

Both are just attacking each other. Peter says that a day one lynch is most likely going to be townie and says Guardian is suspicious for being too defensive in trying to stay alive. Guardian basicaly says the opposite.

My veiws
-They seem to be trying to distance themselves from each other.
or...
-They're blowing the whole thing out of proportion.

[Occult]

I apologize, i had internet problems. I will post soon.

*shakes head disapointedly*

[Occult]

And, as a funny aside: wagon him, and see if he still agrees that it is in the town's interest for him to die. Or that he shouldn't try and live. Or whatever diction he would prefer we use.

Two things:

1) I dislike this statement. You've fought against him for awhile on this and now your asking to use what you took a strong stand against.

2) I see what your saying, but if he was scum it would be in his best interest to act as if its best for town. Your sort of giving him a way to use WIFOM.
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Also, peter why are you going at john for wanting reasons for voting? Not giving reasons is scummy in my eyes. Just because zombie voted for guardian doesn't mean only guardian has to respond to it.

[Occult]

I believe you should make shorter posts. :arrow:

(don't ask about the arrow)

[Occult]

Again, thoughts on Peter/Ichigo scum pair?

I think its a bit of a stretch at the moment. Ichigo's posts had no content in it and zombie gave alternative reasons for voting you.


And I agree with mustafa, the conversation has gone on long enough.
But it gave a lot of information and guardian is looking less scummy in my eyes.

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but every time I go over avi's posts i'm getting mostly scum vibes, I'm not just refering to the lurking. He's given bad logic for his votes, bad defenses for acusations and posts with absolutly no content at all.

[Occult]

I'll give zombie a few more posts before I make an oppinion on him.

[Occult]

Again, thoughts on Peter/Ichigo scum pair?

And I agree with mustafa, the conversation has gone on long enough.
But it gave a lot of information and

guardian

is looking less scummy in my eyes.

I typed in the wrong name by mistake so
EBWOP:

Peter

is looking less scummy IMO.

[Occult]

Yes,
-I agree more with peter's stance.
-This conversation is getting away from finding scum. Peter wanted to end it as it was a distraction. While guardian wanted to keep it going.

Im not saying in anyway peter is not mafia. But from this debate i feel peter came off less scummy.

[Occult]

John can you eleborate on the connection between the two?
Because I really don't see it.

[Occult]

Considering the "I" is next to the "O" on the keyboard.....
I'll let you solve this case.

[Occult]

Time since last posts. The 3-5 ones could be ok but DLMF and Vry may need replacements.

DLMF- 17 days
Vry-9 days
Gorckat-5 days
Avi- 4 days
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Mustafa-3 days
Paradoxzombie- 3 days

[Occult]

Avi hasn't actually posted anywhere on site the last five days.

[Occult]

After re-reading through Avi's posts again, there isn't one thing I like about any of his posts,

-They're extreamly Vague
-Half of of them are "I will post later"
-His accusations hold very little water

Even if he's having internet problems or if he is replaced, he's given nothing good.

vote avi

-2 lynch for him, if you disagree with my vote give me a reason why Avi has done anything productive and protown this game.

[Occult]

Sup Thesp.

A few things:
-Why do you belive john is an SK?
-Vry/Vel connection proof.
-This is a closed set up, are you sure of a SK?
Lastly, your neice's arrogance doesn't sit well with me.

[Occult]

I will tell her that. I bet you just made a 5 year old cry.

That's what I do.


On the other hand, thanks for answering my questions and showing proof of your accusations. *Sarcassm*

[Occult]

Hmmm....

I like the old guy, so,

Unvote

john, do you have anything to say in regards to being a SK or not?

IGMEO: Thesp

[Occult]

I believe he needs to justify his accusations. He can keep them to himself if he wants but he's not going to get any support like that.

And guardian, WTF? Just because he comes in here and says "these people are scum." Doesn't make it true, I find your willingness to follow him annoying. I know you don't have much time left but it most likely won't happen that fast. Also, my unvoting doesn't prevent you from doing so.

[Occult]

I disagree, we need to reread and see if any of it makes sense.

I did and saying john is 100% a SK makes no sense.

Show me where I said that because he said it it makes it true.

Instead of questioning way he thinks he has this game down, you basicly asked if he could complete this game in 10 days.

Yeah I know, seeing a lynch or at least some more progress would be nice though . I didn't unvote because I like my vote on Avinyl so long as he is not at lynch -1.

This is the only part of your post that makes sense.

Finally, Thesp seems to just be looking for reactions with this post. I doubt he has as much of a grasp on this game as his post said he did.

[Occult]

Why <3 Occult?

Why not?


Also guardian your last post proves it, even though you disagree on minor points you completly assume that thesp is town.

[Occult]

Ok, that's fine, but nowhere did thesp say that John is 100% sk, and also don't respond to my point here and then later say that only one of my points "make any sense."

Umm,

John is the Serial Killer.

Unvote: Occult, Vote: John

, since killin the SK is probably better this early than killing mafia.

John IS the serial killer. This part of your post makes absolutly no sense.

I wanted his response not yours, if there is a reason to believe you aren't scummy I'd love to hear it.

It wasn't a response it was a question.

conclusion that I assume Thesp is town almost goes beyond misunderstanding

You can disagree with his stances but you clearly believe he is protown. Your first post was excited about how someone agreed with you. And the secound seemed to be an attempt to save face. Also, thep says let's vote peter first and you go ahead and vote peter. I find 2 things wrong with this:
1) You say you don't completly trust him, but if that was true you would ask thesp for his reasoning. You justified your suspicions of peter because thesp says peter is scum (with no reason.)
2) If peter turns out town, this sets you up for a "But thesp told me to vote...." argument tommarrow

I'm going to have to

FOS

you for that.

If I remember correctly you already had one of those on me. Your getting very defensive over posts that weren't attacking you.

On a final note whether Thesp is town or scum he made a good play. If he's scum he knows who he could get to go along with him. If he's town he's generated a good discussion and can get a read on everyone.

[Occult]

Also,
john, your OMGUS vote doesn't look that good to me....

[Occult]

@Thesp: Yes... a typical raw reaction to what you wrote would be "WTF?". I'm not sure how much information you can gain from that.

I disagree.
I've liked the responses that Thesp generated. Though I'm very wary of Thesp, his first post was great help on getting A further read on everyone.

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I know the question was at thesp, but look back at the responses.

[Occult]

ebwop: Or lynch me, confirm me as town, you know I trust thesp for good reasons, you know I really think Peter is scum etc... i found out you need 1 completed game to be allowed to mod, so um, help me out?

Actually you need 3 mounths on mafia scum and 5 completed if I remember right...

[Occult]

Welcome back Avi, no need to apologize.

[Occult]

unvote, Vote: Guardian

I was mostly voting Avinyl because I didn't think he was comming back.
(just a reminder)

Any Reasons?

[Occult]

I'm starting to see a very clear split in Strongly Anti and Strongly Pro thesp players. It's an interesting contrast.

Strongly For:
Guardian
Thesp (obviously)

Strongly Against:
Peter
Raffles
john

I don't really know if this means much, but these are the two distinct groups at the current moment. Everyone else is closer to the center and leans one way or the other.

[Occult]

As a note Guardian has said he isn't that supportive of thesp, but I'm seeing a big thesp influence on him. (This was added for the sake of guardian)

[Occult]

I'll wait for XXX's post before I say anything about the deadline.

John?, John?, John?, John?, Not Here?

Bueller? Bueller....

[Occult]

I'm not saying all my suspicions but I'll name three:
Nearer to deadline my vote is going to (unless it changes by then):
Paradoxzombie

To a lesser extent I'm suspicious of:
Peter
Pickemgenius

[Occult]

Sorry about my slight absence.

First, I don't like Deathsauce's vote on CTD.

Secound, I'm gonna go ahead and

vote paradoxzombie

I see the case on VRK, also I didn't completly like his last post but, so it doesn't seem like I'm avoiding a stance on the issue, I'll say I don't think there's enough for his lynch.

[Occult]

Thx, that helps alot.

What Exactly do you mean Pick?

[Occult]

Death sauce, could you explain your vote a bit more?

[Occult]

Intersting responses from Pickem'

Unvote

I could have just as easy voted Peter, but we were nearing deadling, and that wouldn't have accomplished anything, then he would've gotten pissed, then he would draw an argument for 2 pages, which really wouldn't accomplish anything, hurting the town, and I don't want a part of that.

I disagree. If peter had exploded like that it would be very helpful for the town.

[Occult]

Vote paradoxzombie

[Occult]

I had found ichigo very suspicious and pushed for his lynch earlier. XZombie takes his place and I haven't liked him. I unvoted due to PEG looking scummy, but have liked how he has posted recently. Hence, my votes goes back to Xzombie.

[Occult]

Bah.

I'm still pro-xzombie lynch.

I see what your saying CTD, but being careful with your votes is pro-townie.

On the other hand though, looking for acceptance is scummy... I'd also like an explanation from mustafa

[Occult]

XZombie what resons do you have for FoSing deathsauce.

Also a question for everyone:
Do you think CTD is blowing an inconsistancy out of proportion or is he finding somthing scummy?

[Occult]

@Occult...too easy to say blowing up a little thing given the recent VRK 'goof'.

Hmmm, CrashTextDummy finds a tiny inconsistency and tries blowing it up into major thing, where have we seen this behavior before? Oh yes, when we lynched VRK, a TOWNIE over nothing!

I'm asking for 2 reasons,

1.Conversation has kinda died down

2.DS has been rubbing me the wrong way lately and Im trying to get a better read on him.

[Occult]

I could of sworn I posted in here 2 days ago.... Srry bout that.

Not liking DS right now, it looks kinda like scum had a good day (yesterday) and now he's got confidence.

[Occult]

Unvote
Vote: Occult

You're still lurking...

-Peter

ORLY?

I sorta posted yesterday. I'm trying to finish an extended reread so I can give a better explanation for things. Right now I'm Rereading Ichigo/XZombie. Your patience would be very much appreciated, k.

[Occult]

Here is the gist of my next post (Its long and I don't like to post long) for people who dislike long posts. Ask me any questions you have regarding these accusations.

Ichigo laid low didn't give reads. Brushed away questions and avoided issues.


-Xzombie has been very inconstant on his voting record, he gives one reason for a -vote and changes it 12 pages later hoping that noone notices.
-His voting Philosophy changes
-He avoids giving reasoning on a few of these votes
-Needs to be prodded (by other players) for reasoning
-Changes his play style reasoning

These are my reasons for finding XZombie suspicious

I have a question for Peter as well, When you voted me for lurking Xzombie hadn't posted in four days. I had posted yesterday are there reasons for that?

[Occult]

It's actually not that long, but.....


Ichigo's Posts

Only 10 posts
1 Confirming
2 about tigers
1 apology
2 commenting on the fact that there is not edit button
1 semi-random vote on john
1 basicly calling john stupid
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His other two posts are...
His response to Avi's Accusation, he doesn't address the accusation but tries to go around it.

the other says he doesn't add much because he doesn't know our play styles. He also comments that he has addressed the accusations on him.



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XZombie
1 Confirm
1 saying that he's read up and lost a piece of his mind
1 Unvote (nothing else)
1 Vote Guardian, says he is going a bit WIFOM and his reasons are no different from others (doesn't state any reasons)
1 Edits his spelling mistake
1 Guardian prods him for reasons and his reasons are: Too vocal for a newbie, Posts too much (so therefor he gets more scum tells), doesn't want to vote a lurker and he reserves thoughts on the subject
1 sarcastic remark
1 Vote Avi (because he's lurking) after his saying he doesn't want to vote a lurker (this is AFTER support for an avi lynch rose)
1 Against Thesp's playing style
1 Vote for guardian (Saying he was voting just because he was a lurker, after saying he wasn't voting a lurker) no reasons, BTW
1 In response to my question of if he had reasons, he says he already layed them out (Which he hasn't) and believes you should always have your vote on a person.
1 In response to gaurdian asking if he has any contributions he says (No, no, nothing significant.)
1 Unvotes PEG (as a new replacement allows him to come in without a vote) But he has already said that he thinks you should always keep a vote on someone.
1 Posts we should post all of our reasonings (this is after he posted before that he will keep his thought secret from scum.
1 post that all the arguments are solid and that he may post later
1 Tells DS that he isn't going to vote now b/c there is a deadline.
1 Agrees with peter's argument and Votes PEG for not agreeing.
1 Says PEG's death does nothing unless he's scum
1 Foses DS, No reason
1 Needs to be prodded for reasoning again, says that DS is leading an easy wagon against the leader of the previous wagon.
1 says scum simply wait for wagons to start and then jump on them
1 says that Gorc dismissal of the case is scummy.
1 this one says he wasn't trying to pressure him (Last posts says he was) but trying to lynch him.

[Occult]

Heh. I tried playing that role earlier and two people ended up getting replaced.

[Occult]

Please be more speciffic Occult, unless you want me to go through all of my posts and point out exactly how every single one isn't scummy.

Yes I would appreciate this.

[Occult]

Here is the gist of my next post (Its long and I don't like to post long) for people who dislike long posts. Ask me any questions you have regarding these accusations.

Ichigo laid low didn't give reads. Brushed away questions and avoided issues.


-Xzombie has been very inconstant on his voting record, he gives one reason for a -vote and changes it 12 pages later hoping that noone notices.
-His voting Philosophy changes
-He avoids giving reasoning on a few of these votes
-Needs to be prodded (by other players) for reasoning
-Changes his play style reasoning

These are my reasons for finding XZombie suspicious

I have a question for Peter as well, When you voted me for lurking Xzombie hadn't posted in four days. I had posted yesterday are there reasons for that?

It's actually not that long, but.....


Ichigo's Posts

Only 10 posts
1 Confirming
2 about tigers
1 apology
2 commenting on the fact that there is not edit button
1 semi-random vote on john
1 basicly calling john stupid
----------------------------------------------------
His other two posts are...
His response to Avi's Accusation, he doesn't address the accusation but tries to go around it.

the other says he doesn't add much because he doesn't know our play styles. He also comments that he has addressed the accusations on him.



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XZombie
1 Confirm
1 saying that he's read up and lost a piece of his mind
1 Unvote (nothing else)
1 Vote Guardian, says he is going a bit WIFOM and his reasons are no different from others (doesn't state any reasons)
1 Edits his spelling mistake
1 Guardian prods him for reasons and his reasons are: Too vocal for a newbie, Posts too much (so therefor he gets more scum tells), doesn't want to vote a lurker and he reserves thoughts on the subject
1 sarcastic remark
1 Vote Avi (because he's lurking) after his saying he doesn't want to vote a lurker (this is AFTER support for an avi lynch rose)
1 Against Thesp's playing style
1 Vote for guardian (Saying he was voting just because he was a lurker, after saying he wasn't voting a lurker) no reasons, BTW
1 In response to my question of if he had reasons, he says he already layed them out (Which he hasn't) and believes you should always have your vote on a person.
1 In response to gaurdian asking if he has any contributions he says (No, no, nothing significant.)
1 Unvotes PEG (as a new replacement allows him to come in without a vote) But he has already said that he thinks you should always keep a vote on someone.
1 Posts we should post all of our reasonings (this is after he posted before that he will keep his thought secret from scum.
1 post that all the arguments are solid and that he may post later
1 Tells DS that he isn't going to vote now b/c there is a deadline.
1 Agrees with peter's argument and Votes PEG for not agreeing.
1 Says PEG's death does nothing unless he's scum
1 Foses DS, No reason
1 Needs to be prodded for reasoning again, says that DS is leading an easy wagon against the leader of the previous wagon.
1 says scum simply wait for wagons to start and then jump on them
1 says that Gorc dismissal of the case is scummy.
1 this one says he wasn't trying to pressure him (Last posts says he was) but trying to lynch him.

There are my accusations AGAIN.

Now tell me why you aren't scummy.

[Occult]

Well, Zombie, your recent post sounds alot different then this one.

j/k! Burden of proof, man.

This sounds more like: screw off, I'm not saying nothin'.


Ok, we'll go one suspicion at a time.

We'll start with the one I just brought up, why avoid my accusations and gorkats?

[Occult]

PZombie, could you explain your voting record please (this time without avoiding the question) Below I put the quotes I found in regards to your voting record.


-Vote Guardian, says he is going a bit WIFOM and his reasons are no different from others (doesn't state any reasons)
-Guardian prods him for reasons and his reasons are: Too vocal for a newbie, Posts too much (so therefor he gets more scum tells), doesn't want to vote a lurker and he reserves thoughts on the subject
-Vote Avi (because he's lurking) after his saying he doesn't want to vote a lurker (this is AFTER support for an avi lynch rose)
-Vote for guardian (Saying he was voting just because he was a lurker, after saying he wasn't voting a lurker) no reasons, BTW
-In response to my question of if he had reasons, he says he already layed them out (Which he hasn't) and believes you should always have your vote on a person.
-In response to gaurdian asking if he has any contributions he says (No, no, nothing significant.)
-Unvotes PEG (as a new replacement allows him to come in without a vote) But he has already said that he thinks you should always keep a vote on someone.
-Tells DS that he isn't going to vote now b/c there is a deadline.
-Agrees with peter's argument and Votes PEG for not agreeing
-Foses DS, No reason
-Needs to be prodded for reasoning again, says that DS is leading an easy wagon against the leader of the previous wagon.

[Occult]

?

Could you explain it to me then, CTD?

[Occult]

THANK YOU.

That's what I was looking for. I feel a bit better about you, PZombie. Only a bit though.

[Occult]

EBWODP

UNVOTE

[Occult]

Eager to hear from the new guys...

ditto. Though the reading is a bit on the longer side so I'll give them a day or two before I start bitching about it.

[Occult]

So....

What your saying is you basically have no real handle on the game.

[Occult]

What your saying is you basically have no real handle on the game.

That is a mean thing to say to someone. You try sitting down and reading 800 posts in one afternoon. It is hard to keep everyone straight when you aren't involved. Do

YOU

even have a "real" handle on this game? When was the last time you made a recap of every player?

This wasn't a real attack of flea. It shows that he read the thread, which is always a good thing.

I would like to hear a bit more from laterus (I'm not expecting a play-by-play recap of the game), his top 2 or 3 suspects would help. I know he said peter gave him weird vibes but a little more would help.

[Occult]

........

Vote DS

I hate the I'm a newbie defense. Especially since I joined MS 7 days AFTER you. Poor defense to poor play.

Somestrange has been attacking Lat pretty heavily and while I agree with his reasoning he keeps trying to draw attention to Lat.

[Occult]

Im not seeing Lat as a lurker at the moment and Im not seeing scum from him either. Thesp why are you suspicious of SSF?

[Occult]

Xzombie is still tops on my list.

Laterus and SSF are rubbing me the wrong. I'm not getting scum vibes from laterus but Im uncomfertable with him, especially after he FoSes Gorcat right after I give him a little support. SSF pushes at laterus don't feel right to me. They're very weak, it really gives me the feeling that a Lat/SSR match-up is likely.

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I vote for the deadline, it could be the prod this game needs(hopefully).

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Christ after that exchange I really want to vote Pzombie. But I want SSR to answer PV's question first, something doesn't feel right about his vote.

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Vote Pzombie

Didn't like Ichigo, don't like him.

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heh.

There is a simple answer to my lurking: I forgot about this game.
Hammer: Was accidental (Horrible mistake on my part).
PZombie: Is scum.
My out of the blue vote was an attempt to help conversation a bit, I haven't done much in awhile maybe my lynch (and a bit more discussion on it) could help the town.

Right now I'm at -2, I would suggest some more discussion before you lynch me but whatever you think would be the best.

Just remember that if I'm town (and I am) Lynching me puts you in a lynch or lose situation (4 on 2, assuming there are three scum) tomorrow (which is why a bit more information would be useful).

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I was under the impression that we had killed a scum already. I don't see why that matters too much.

I really don't like SSR's vote, it feels like he's distancing himself from PZ in the case I don't get lynched or the NK doesn't go through.

Gorc is pushing every BS reason he can to get me lynched. It does raise my suspicion of him even though I had felt better about him before.

Because this is a LyLo situation (I thought we were in better condition) I'm going to guess that most, if not all scum are on my wagon (not a hard conclusion to reach)

If I had to name who was scum I would say: Pzombie and SSR