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[Raffles]

Thesp, what struck you as weird about deathsauces behaviour?

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Day 2, Second official vote count:

mustafa15 (3): CrashTextDummie, Thesp, Peter Venkman
DeathSauce (1): gorckat

Not voting: mustafa15, DeathSauce, TeamQuiggan, Paradoxombie, Occult, Raffles

10 alive, 6 to lynch.

[mustafa15]

Whatever, you (and Occult) were active enough to notice someone calling you out on lurking without a prod.

-Peter

That's because I checked the thread Friday after my finals had finished...

[Peter Venkman]

@Mustafa>

Checked Friday, than posted Saturday... oookayy...

You've had time to post some thoughts on what you think of people, but you didn't. Death appears to have some suspicion on him, and he cast suspicion on three people.

And than there's you. You've responded twice but can't even be bothered to respond to your half lynch. CTD thinks you are suspicious, and so does Thesp. I put a lurking vote on you, but so far you haven't done anything that is non lurky, so my vote stays.

-Peter

[mustafa15]

@PeterVenkman, I made a typo, I checked Saturday because I was at a party Friday night because finals ended, etc.

Ok, list of suspicion right here

FoS

Paradoxombie, DeathSauce

Vote: Avinyl

Maybe it's just the cynic in me, but I feel like he's not coming back, at least not soon enough to make me feel guilty.

I was mostly voting Avinyl because I didn't think he was comming back.

This vote seems stupid to me, it looks like you are putting a pressure vote on somebody that you don't think is going to be looking at the thread at all. I have an Fos on Paradoxombie because he never seems to have any opinion on anything.

DeathSauce, I didn't like Avinyl at all, and I think that's worth a fos on you, plus, you aren't exactly flaming towniness out of every pore.

Igmeoy

Thesp, Team Quiggan, Peter Venkman

I'd like to see more reasoning from Thesp, he's accusing lots, and explaining little. I'm sure you have reasons, I'd like to hear them.

Igmeoy Team Quiggan just because of who you replaced, because I thought John was pretty scummy, but I'm ok with you so far

Peter Venkman, I just have this hunch based kinda off playstyle and actions and stuff.

[Peter Venkman]

Unvote
Vote: Occult

You're still lurking...

-Peter

[Paradoxombie]

@mustafa: well I agree that's a reasonable FOS, and I have no explanation other than I was growing impatient. But I wasn't trying to pressure Avinyl, I wanted to straight out lynch him. I guess that looks even worse, but I have nothing to hide.

[Occult]

Unvote
Vote: Occult

You're still lurking...

-Peter

ORLY?

I sorta posted yesterday. I'm trying to finish an extended reread so I can give a better explanation for things. Right now I'm Rereading Ichigo/XZombie. Your patience would be very much appreciated, k.

[Occult]

Here is the gist of my next post (Its long and I don't like to post long) for people who dislike long posts. Ask me any questions you have regarding these accusations.

Ichigo laid low didn't give reads. Brushed away questions and avoided issues.


-Xzombie has been very inconstant on his voting record, he gives one reason for a -vote and changes it 12 pages later hoping that noone notices.
-His voting Philosophy changes
-He avoids giving reasoning on a few of these votes
-Needs to be prodded (by other players) for reasoning
-Changes his play style reasoning

These are my reasons for finding XZombie suspicious

I have a question for Peter as well, When you voted me for lurking Xzombie hadn't posted in four days. I had posted yesterday are there reasons for that?

[Occult]

It's actually not that long, but.....


Ichigo's Posts

Only 10 posts
1 Confirming
2 about tigers
1 apology
2 commenting on the fact that there is not edit button
1 semi-random vote on john
1 basicly calling john stupid
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His other two posts are...
His response to Avi's Accusation, he doesn't address the accusation but tries to go around it.

the other says he doesn't add much because he doesn't know our play styles. He also comments that he has addressed the accusations on him.



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XZombie
1 Confirm
1 saying that he's read up and lost a piece of his mind
1 Unvote (nothing else)
1 Vote Guardian, says he is going a bit WIFOM and his reasons are no different from others (doesn't state any reasons)
1 Edits his spelling mistake
1 Guardian prods him for reasons and his reasons are: Too vocal for a newbie, Posts too much (so therefor he gets more scum tells), doesn't want to vote a lurker and he reserves thoughts on the subject
1 sarcastic remark
1 Vote Avi (because he's lurking) after his saying he doesn't want to vote a lurker (this is AFTER support for an avi lynch rose)
1 Against Thesp's playing style
1 Vote for guardian (Saying he was voting just because he was a lurker, after saying he wasn't voting a lurker) no reasons, BTW
1 In response to my question of if he had reasons, he says he already layed them out (Which he hasn't) and believes you should always have your vote on a person.
1 In response to gaurdian asking if he has any contributions he says (No, no, nothing significant.)
1 Unvotes PEG (as a new replacement allows him to come in without a vote) But he has already said that he thinks you should always keep a vote on someone.
1 Posts we should post all of our reasonings (this is after he posted before that he will keep his thought secret from scum.
1 post that all the arguments are solid and that he may post later
1 Tells DS that he isn't going to vote now b/c there is a deadline.
1 Agrees with peter's argument and Votes PEG for not agreeing.
1 Says PEG's death does nothing unless he's scum
1 Foses DS, No reason
1 Needs to be prodded for reasoning again, says that DS is leading an easy wagon against the leader of the previous wagon.
1 says scum simply wait for wagons to start and then jump on them
1 says that Gorc dismissal of the case is scummy.
1 this one says he wasn't trying to pressure him (Last posts says he was) but trying to lynch him.

[Peter Venkman]

Occult> I put my vote on you because I was working down my initial "lurker" list. Your Post 671 isn't content heavy, and I wanted more from you. Paradox appears to have joined the party since than, so I don't think a pressure vote is necessary.

Unvote

In all honesty, I'm getting pretty tired of the lack of participation in this game. I shouldn't have to be the lurking police, but since it has gotten some people to post, I guess I'll continue.

The Lurker List:
TeamQuiggan - 5 days
gorckat - 4 days

Vote TeamQuiggan

-Peter

[Occult]

Heh. I tried playing that role earlier and two people ended up getting replaced.

[mustafa15]

Peter, you can stop being the lurker police. That's the mod's job, you should be voting people because you think they are scum, not because they haven't posted recently. If someone has been too inactive, request a prod, and get back on topic of finding scum, not lurkers.

[Paradoxombie]

Please be more speciffic Occult, unless you want me to go through all of my posts and point out exactly how every single one isn't scummy.

[Peter Venkman]

Peter, you can stop being the lurker police. That's the mod's job, you should be voting people because you think they are scum, not because they haven't posted recently. If someone has been too inactive, request a prod, and get back on topic of finding scum, not lurkers.

Don't tell me how I "should" be voting.

I understand this is the Mod's first time running a game. He has the thankless task of replacing half the initial players. These players couldn't even be bothered to play a game they signed up for and basically slapped the mod in the face saying "your time and effort means nothing to me."

The remaining players who choose to go almost a week without posting indicate to me that they are either completely uninterested in this game or are scum. No matter how you spin it, they aren't helping the town. No matter how you spin it, I am on topic.

I'm not in the mood to ask the Mod to do more work. He has already done more than is reasonably expected from someone is his position.

-Peter

[gorckat]

So you'd rather let the lurkers go another week without prods and need to be replaced then rather than maybe find out now?

I posted lightly in my other game last Thursday or Friday, but damn- sorry I'm trying to close out the program year at work, buying a house and packing to move...scum is I!

</uncharcteristic pissiness>

Anyway-

vote:paradoxzombie

I liked him yesterday, I like him today.

He never made his own case against Guardian, contradicted himself on keeping votes on people and when I challenged the strength of his case today, says I'm suspicious.

[CrashTextDummie]

Mustafa15 - thanks for the LoS. Now why aren't you voting?

unvote, vote: paradoxombie

I like him too.

[Peter Venkman]

Day 1, Last official vote count:

Vel-Rahn Koon (5): Peter Venkman, Thesp, CrashTextDummie, TeamQuiggan, pickemgenius
pickemgenius (2): DeathSauce, Paradoxombie
Paradoxombie (2): gorckat, Occult
Thesp (1): Raffles
Peter Venkman (1): Vel-Rahn Koon

Not voting: mustafa15

Anyone care to hypothesize why PickEm was nightkilled?

Scum knew VRK wasn't scum. Would scum get on a bad bandwagon when the deadline would take care of VRK for them?

Would scum put a vote on scum to avoid suspicion?

Unvote

My FoS list:
Deathsauce
Paradox
Musafa15
Raffles

-Peter

[gorckat]

Only thing that stands out is that he went after you and Sauce pretty strongly, as well as xombie to a lesser extent.

[Paradoxombie]

contradicted himself on keeping votes on people

I clearly explained that situation.

when I challenged the strength of his case today, says I'm suspicious.

I think you're suspicious because I think my FOS was no weaker or WIFOM than Deathsauce's, and yet you never challenged his logic.

[CrashTextDummie]

Anyone care to hypothesize why PickEm was nightkilled?

I have some theories, but don't feel like sharing them at the moment.

[Peter Venkman]

My questions were rhetorical mostly, I think there is some important information in that votecount that hasn't been mentioned.

-Peter

[gorckat]

The only way you explained it was that you felt the deadline made your vote unneccessary, when clearly it is worth more given people can be lynched without a majority and the way ties work out.

And what part of my 52nd through 54th posts weren't a challenge to Sauce's FoS?

[gorckat]

EBWOP: That's all "@xombie:"

[Paradoxombie]

The only way you explained it was that you felt the deadline made your vote unneccessary, when clearly it is worth more given people can be lynched without a majority and the way ties work out.

I meant my vote is unecessary to keep the game moving. That was the whole point in the first place. I'd leave my vote on someone even if I don't find them that suspicious because at least it keeps the day moving(actually I've been less strict in that rule recently)

But at the end of yesterday, I wasn't sure who to vote and everyone was looking suspicious at times. I didn't want to make an arbitrary vote either because just hoping on a wagon could come back to get me if that wagon became scrutinized later. The fact that my vote was even more powerful gave me an even better reason not to use it, I simply was not sure what to do for a while.

[gorckat]

What do you care if you get looked at because you were on a bad wagon?

Hiding something?

Plus I think it's important to always keep your vote on someone(normally the person you suspect the most[obviously]).

And since

everyone

looked suspicious, rather than vote the one you felt was

most

suspicious, you just didn't vote.