NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Tammy]

So, the first person to correctly guess what I imagine empires reaction was when he saw what random.org assigned me gets a special super secret^tm prize.

I'd appreciate the guesses in gifs by the way!

VOTE: casso king of the seals

Two quote stripers is not better than one:(

[Tammy]

Neither of those are answers or gifs!

[Tammy]

Also f-16 you're out of the running for the prize.

You haz disappoint.

[Tammy]

So, the first person to correctly guess what I imagine empires reaction was when he saw what random.org assigned me gets a special super secret^tm prize.

I'd appreciate the guesses in gifs by the way!

VOTE: casso king of the seals

Two quote stripers is not better than one:(

Would this be accurate?

That is pretty much how I imagine it! (Although he *might* have she'd a few tears)

Since that made me laugh, I'm forgiving the earlier slight of voting me and awarding you with the awesome prize of being my town buddy! Don't you feel special?

[Tammy]

vote tammy

Because she hates me.

How many times do I have to tell you I don't hate you.

I've gotten aggravated with you, but if you can find one person on this site I haven't gotten aggravated with, I'll bake you cookies. ( that kinda makes me feel like a bitch saying that actually when I'm just really a fucking sweetheart who has a tendency to get a tad emotional)

[Tammy]

I was looking forward to this game for quite a while.

VOTE: MC Maracabd

I'll give Cabd one page to obvtown himself.

I was obvtown before the thread opened. Try again.

Get your own schtick.

[Tammy]

Oh my gods the quote stripes are already starting on page two you guys are going to give me a headache.

Also, Brian's not trying too hard but he feels nervous like he doesn't know how to enter.

[Tammy]

So, the first person to correctly guess what I imagine empires reaction was when he saw what random.org assigned me gets a special super secrettm prize.

Less awesome than his reaction to mine, so no soup for you.

I doubt it. He was really hoping I'd draw scum this game. Something about fulfilling all his hopes and dreams and just making his day.

[Tammy]

Hey Tammy, was it you or Ffery that had an issue with folks calling themselves obvtown?

Me? Hate people calling themselves obvtown?

I feel it's best answered with a gif...

[Tammy]

Empire - you missed a page top. :shame:

[Tammy]

Oh my gods the quote stripes are already starting on page two you guys are going to give me a headache.

Also, Brian's not trying too hard but he feels nervous like he doesn't know how to enter.

Hey Tammy, does this make him scum?

Not necessarily, why should it? Pretty sure if I thought it made him scum I'd vote him or maybe say it made him possible scum.

He's new. Sometimes new people have awkward entrances.

[Tammy]

So, the first person to correctly guess what I imagine empires reaction was when he saw what random.org assigned me gets a special super secret^tm prize.

I'd appreciate the guesses in gifs by the way!

VOTE: casso king of the seals

Two quote stripers is not better than one:(

Would this be accurate?

That is pretty much how I imagine it! (Although he *might* have she'd a few tears)

Since that made me laugh, I'm forgiving the earlier slight of voting me and awarding you with the awesome prize of being my town buddy! Don't you feel special?

This is not working for me.

I know. It's not an exact match as empires not a redhead. But the expression is rather close.

If you're referring to me, you just have no idea how to read me baby doll. You can sit right back and get your note pad out, it'll help for future references

[Tammy]

Official town block application form v1

I,

%username%

am applying to MC Maraca's AwesomeSauce Town Block. My townreads are:

EVERYONE IS TOWN

I think I am a good fit for the townblock because

my role pm says I'm town. Also, I'm awesome.

Attached is my payment,

my presence

made payable to MC Maraca.

[Tammy]

I, *tammy

[Tammy]

If I have not yelled at you in a game here are some cookies. If I have yelled at you mits off;they're not for you. (Except generic who was promised cookies if I hadn't yelled at someone)

[Tammy]

I'm just not ready to get it in gear. The goofing around part of the game is my favorite.

Mine too! Let's be besties.

[Tammy]

If I have not yelled at you in a game here are some cookies. If I have yelled at you mits off;they're not for you. (Except generic who was promised cookies if I hadn't yelled at someone)

Posting pictures is a scumclaim from you tammy.

I knew I needed to consult my known Tammy scumtell mafia guidebook^tm before posting. I give up.

[Tammy]

It's okay tammy. You can self-vote whenever.

I'll take it under advisement

[Tammy]

VOTE: sakura

[Tammy]

Tammy, Brian is not a new player. How did you get that impression?

His start date is just a few months ago.

[Tammy]

Tammy, Brian is not a new player. How did you get that impression?

His start date is just a few months ago.

Join date is hardly the only factor.

Unless someone has off site experience, I consider anyone who's start date is within the past year a new player.

[Tammy]

VOTE: koreanbbq

[Tammy]

Okay, he has still played quite a few games though.

Yeah, but let's say 20 games played over the course of a few months isn't the same as 20 played over the course of a year. There are some things that take time to learn and feel comfortable with, and how to enter games is one of them.

[Tammy]

Tammy, glad you are here. I thought you left me hanging after you said we could be best buddies

Nope

Got caught up talking on skype, catching up on other games and drinking vodka last night before passing out. I'm about 200? posts to catch up then I'll have thoughts.

[Tammy]

VOTE: koreanbbq

Ok fine I was being mean to generic a bit but that ain't the way to treat the tired

old

man.

P-Edit: mislynch, of course :p

Was this Nero? Why aren't you telling me I'm wrong? I liked your slots post about wondering how many posts Varsoon had in SC, but beyond that I'm waiting for the oomph.

[Tammy]

So, the first person to correctly guess what I imagine empires reaction was when he saw what random.org assigned me gets a special super secret^tm prize.

I'd appreciate the guesses in gifs by the way!

VOTE: casso king of the seals

Two quote stripers is not better than one:(

He was probably looking forward to seeing your emotional breakdown in the scum QT when I nailed the hell out of you, then had his hopes dashed when he saw you rolled town. I told him to give you scum regardless of what the numbers said but empires a better man than I am I guess

Seal plz.

Also, you're late to the party and without a gif. F-16 already got it right and claimed the prize. Sucks for you.

[Tammy]

You've never been even mildly aggravated with me!

Really? Then you get to have one of the cookies i left in the thread.

[Tammy]

Oh wait wait wait golden quote from hydra QT (paraphrased, of course): "Tammy vote on us is probably just because she wants attention". This is going to be an amazing game.

Does he think I'm an attention whore

why didn't he give me what I wanted?

or just not know rvs ala Tammy?

[Tammy]

Cabd, my application to the town block will come in two parts.

1. Ffery. Let's make the same deal that F-16 and I made, minus the suspecting part.

2. VOTE: Pitoli

I LOVE THIS VOTE.

It's probably where my vote will end up when I'm done reading.

[Tammy]

You are boring me Tammy

there's no way i could be boring anyone right now, but it's okayi think you look kinda fake!

[Tammy]

and when i say kinda i mean holy shit doll you be fake.

[Tammy]

Tammy, glad you are here. I thought you left me hanging after you said we could be best buddies

I want to talk about Generic. I had a townread on him based on his push of Geists but ffery's point about him being too agreeable resonated with me quite a bit. I went back through BB:HoH to see if he was too agreeable there and I noticed that he was during the last day. I am not sure if you followed it after you got nk'ed. Generic as scum was agreeing with everything Toogeloo and I said, saying we had good points, and consistently going back and forth on us although he stayed with Toog-town, me-scum for the most part except the end. I also read the VisCon:Wingate Mansion which you played where he was town. His initial attack on Marangal followed by his defense when Nacho made a case on him looked a lot different from his backing off here which has me concerned.

Do you have a read on Generic yet? If so, what?

Generic, I'd like to know your current read on Geists and your read on MC Maraca.

I'm really not sure on Generic. I did skim a bit after being nightkilled in hoh, but I didn't read most of you guys' posts. I would have loved to have seen Mara and Generic sorting each other out the way they did in Wingate as that sorting, as annoying as it was and as much as I wanted it to end, is where I got my read on Generic from. Generic and I were scum partners in Red Wedding though. I don't really remember specific aspects of his play in that game but a good number of people found him suspicious as did I and I tried bussing him for like 4? days, but being his partner I knew he was scum and I'd have to go back and look at his play there.

I tentatively have him as town though based on his interaction with geists and his saying that he was reaction testing me with his first posts. That felt real enough. It does worry me that there's no real interaction between mara and generic though, and with mara's most recent moronic post she has reservations about generic, but is literally doing nothing about it. She thought that generic was scum in wingate she actually tried to sort him, but I haven't seen that yet. Anyway my tentativeness has to do with me knowing that he's good at scum, ask him he'll tell you about his 100% win rate as scum; therefore, I feel good about him, but I know he's good at scum so I'm mostly taking a wait to see if he keeps making me feel good or if I start to get twitchy.

addendum: Oh snap it looks like the sorting has begun so.

As far as other reads:

As of right now I feel good about you. Town buddy party crasher!!!

I know that everyone wants to write off MC as town due to whatever hints they've dropped but hell no if i'm giving them a town read because cabd hinted at something and there's a fakeness that is coming across in some of their posts.

I'm feeling goodish about geists. There's a whole lot that feels genuine about their play. I am *slightly* tentative here because I think that ffery is better at scum than she thinks she is, but there's a bit of explanation about her play that feels like it comes from a place of wanting to get across her play in a transparent manner that I feel more comes from town her.

I don't really like Cephrir. I realize this might sound like omgus, but i just don't get a good feeling from him at all. And what's weird is that he did mention that we played together in open 527. We did, and he was my earliest and strongest town read. I had him as town from one of his first posts and with the exception of minor paranoia in lylo, he remained there all game long. I'm not getting a sense of fluid natural play here. Also, his writing off ffery as town and his reasoning feels off. In open 527, I thought that the ffery/gif hydra was obvtown early and he was pushing her for not looking very town. It just feels weird that he's not hesitant at all when she doesn't look as town here as she did there.

Additionally I'm not a big fan of pitoli or koreanbbq. I feel like I can get a better read on koreanbbq if nero really starts getting in the game. And pitoli is mostly gut based on early posts and her odd question to me about if me mentioning that brian's entrance was awkward meant that he was scum. If brian is scum, this could have been some early distancing as could Cephrir's emoticon response to the question even after town reading him.

[Tammy]

YOU'RE WELCOME!

[Tammy]

it hasn't even been 30 minutes, dammit :/

It had actually been like 40.

[Tammy]

I'm just the boring time keeper don't yell at me.

[Tammy]

Yeah because I do what I'm told.

You should probably get over yourself

[Tammy]

*your fake ass self that should read

[Tammy]

That's a stupid vote.

Like I literally do not believe for one second you suspect me Mara.

But geeze gods you're about on par with me with the omgus.

How does it feel to be voting obvtown? Don't you brag that you're good at reading people?

[Tammy]

BRING IT MARA.

[Tammy]

and this one is serious

Pedit: you aren't obvtown

I actually am and you're a fool.

This is quite literally the best I've entered a game in a long fucking time. I'm sorry if your role pm can't see the obvious and you don't know what you're doing, but anyone with half a brain and has ever seen me play knows this is town me, so go on, keep being dumb.

[Tammy]

You know what this feels like? EXACTLY like the last time you were scum Mara. Exactly. A little fake paranoia my way. A bit of ignoring all the obvious signs I'm town. Everything.

[Tammy]

WHYARE YOU RUNNING AWAY MARA.

IS ALL YOU GOT IS SOME SUPERIOR ASS WANNA BE SHUT UP BULLSHIT? That it?

Thought so.

[Tammy]

Well okay yeah watch how anyone who has ever played with me goes what the fuck is your vote on there for?

Serious question. Get around to answering it whenever. Have you read the thread? I'm totally totally serious about this question.

[Tammy]

Well okay yeah watch how anyone who has ever played with me goes what the fuck is your vote on there for?

Serious question. Get around to answering it whenever. Have you read the thread? I'm totally totally serious about this question.

Yes, I have read the thread Tammy.

Then you literally can not have the opinion you have you just can't.

[Tammy]

Read my fucking posts.

[Tammy]

And if you still somehow come away confused, ask nacho. Even if he's scum, hell have to answer honestly.

But I'm totally getting flashbacks of you as those scum hydras that dogged me and nothing like your chef hydra.

[Tammy]

and not freak out, and try to discredit my stance before I even make a case

There is no case to make. I'm fucking town.

[Tammy]

I don't know what you're talking about.

You replaced into one game near endgame in which you read me as town. My opening was nothing like this.

In chosen I was scum, you were modkilled and reading me as town. My opening was nothing like this.

In nightless, you read me as town, I was, before you were modkilled.

In chef you read me right.

In empires game you were scum and faked some paranoia on me.

In hard boiled you were scum and faked a shit ton of paranoia on me and tried to get me lynched in lylo.

In wingate you were scum and faked no paranoia of me.

Pretty sure that's it, so what are you talking about?

[Tammy]

Oh Mara are you one of those people who can't admit when you town read scum? Is that what you're referring to? Because they make a cream for that.

Also I'm sorry but I don't buy this fake ass bullshit you're bringing to me. Not after hard boiled. No fucking way.

[Tammy]

MARA WHYD YOU RUN AWAY? Realize your house of cards is a piece of shit?

[Tammy]

In chosen, I had thought you were boring, and wondered why it took you so long to get Obv town super fast. it was dropped pretty early, though and I had favored Nacho over you

In that open game, I replaced endgamed, I had wondered why you didn't Obv town super early, also. I had eventually read you as town, but that was because of something you said when I questioned the lack of obv-towniness.

And what does that have to do with here.

Inquiring minds and all that shit.

[Tammy]

For the record, I think Tammy's kinda off this game.

ate you all fucking scum?

Like this has been the most lighthearted and happy I have been to enter a game in a really long fucking time. I've been looking forward to this game and happy as fuck I drew town, there is no bloody way I look off and you all are just ruining this for me,

[Tammy]

IM NOT BOTING. READ MY GODDAMN FUCKING POSTS THAT IS LITERALLYME HAVING A GOOD FUCKING TOME.

YOU KNOW WHAT


FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF

[Tammy]

Fuck you all. I hate you all. I was really enjoying this game and if you vp ant see that then I don't know whaty to tell you but you can all go fuck yourselves,

[Tammy]

Why?

[Tammy]

Oh I meant why to Mars question about why it was scarey

[Tammy]

Why was the Matt fight scarey?

[Tammy]

Also my obvtownnesss was always there, you just need to know what to look for. You don't need to get me mad to do it. I don't need to Scumhunt to do it. It's all in my tone.

[Tammy]

I thought scum liked watching fights between two townies

[Tammy]

Didn't like what?

[Tammy]

I don't like how Tammy is getting into a fight with half a hydra's head, and then the other head is like 'I know what Head 1 is doing, I'mma sit back!' and Tammy just keeps punching as though he said nothing...makes it feel fake to me, like she realizes she's supposed to put on a show and is doing what is expected of her.

She's fake playing to her town meta, is what I'm saying.

I wanna get this one out here too. What was that gak Tammy? WHile we're at it, MC can help further justify it as well since apparently it was a major town read in their mind while looking immensely fake to me.
She even basically calmed down in like thirty seconds. It felt VERY fake.
Justify pl0x!
Links to blow ups that look of similar "Realness" to this one as a counterpoint would be awesome.
I don't recall Tammy ever blowing up like that and then going insta-calm in anything I've seen her in though.

I don't have to justify shit to you. I didn't calm down, and if you mean me asking some questions to clarify something that did not make sense to me me calming down then you're just misinterpreting. I'm still not calm; as far as I'm concerned this game is pretty much ruined for how much I care about it. And I think the attacks on me were fake as hell including the geists pop in. I'm not really good at resisting trolling even if and when I know I'm being trolled especially when people are talking to me the way they were. I think they saw me enter this game confident and happy, which only means one thing for my alignment, and decided to knock me out of my comfort zone, that way noone will listen to my reads because I'm the emotional girl who got frustrated and cussed people out. And I would add to this for why I think it's really especially suspect coming from them but I can't at the moment, so maybe later I will. Some people like BBmolla used to reaction test me to see if I was town, and no I didn't stay all pissed off at him afterwards. And considering that my emotions are pretty intense but flash in the pan, I don't always stay pissed. I'm still pissed about that. I was looking forward to this game and I think it was bloody obvious that I was, now I just really don't care. And I think that was the intent all around. And I just think that you're all a part of it too, because here you are starting it up again. As far as me being able to calm down, Scumhunter in Leprauchan mafia kept making this big deal about how my emotions didn't make sense because sometimes I seemed to calm then would explode and vice versa. You can go look that up. He was scum and strangely enough scum have a tendence of pulling these types of arguments on me more than town.

As far as only talking with one of the heads. I didn't even realize at the time that the other head had posted, but what was I supposed to say to him if I had noticed it. I also didn't recognize that it was different heads of geists fanning the fire at the same time.

I have very severe reservations about Maraca and somewhat reservations on Geist from that last night. I suppose people think it's funny seeing if they can get someone mad and that just shores up their reads. Well it's a shitty way to go about the process by ruining someone else's games for your own shits and giggles and it doesnt' make the other person look town at all in the process. But also nice bit of work they did if they are scum because noone's going to listen to my reads on them because it will just be written off as me being annoyed, which I am.

As far as me going calm. I went to bed. It was 4am and I was exhausted. What was I going to do yell at them about how stupid they are. I imagine they had a good laugh. I think they wanted to make it look like they were sorting me; I think it was fake. I dont think anyone else will think that it was fake and so this is the last time I bring it up because noone listens to me about anything lately, so whatever the fuck ever.

But sure, argue with Nacho to get a vote on my slot. It won't happen and if it does it'll be a scum claim. I won't really care though because as far as this game goes I just don't give a shit at the moment.

@Tammy - I have Nachos, sheep me.

I was already voting there, so really you're sheeping me, natch.

[Tammy]

have very severe reservations about Maraca

The only reservation you have about me is an RVSP to your townblock.

If I were creating a town blok I wouldn't put you in it.

[Tammy]

have very severe reservations about Maraca

The only reservation you have about me is an RVSP to your townblock.

If I were creating a town blok I wouldn't put you in it.

Then that's YOUR failure; and you have the nerve to lecture mara about recognizing obvious town?

This kind of post makes drama.
Take a step back and let the love spread.

That was their intention.

[Tammy]

post 779, Tammy"]have very severe reservations about Maraca

The only reservation you have about me is an RVSP to your townblock.[/quote]

If I were creating a town blok I wouldn't put you in it.[/quote]
Then that's YOUR failure; and you have the nerve to lecture mara about recognizing obvious town?[/quote]
This kind of post makes drama.
Take a step back and let the love spread.[/quote]

That was their intention.[/quote]
Actually, my intention was to show both you and mara that saying "how dare you not recognize I'm obvtown" is

fucking bullshit

from anyone spouting it about themselves and that it's worthless when you've made it such a part of you that you have to do it as both alignments.[/quote]

Actually your intention was to continue the distraction that you caused by trying to get a rise out of me. Your push on me was fake as fuck yesterday as has been your whole slot's play.

But hey guess what babycakes, I'm not going to change my playstyle so you can stop any time now.

[Tammy]

UNVOTE:

I remember seeing something I thought I liked yesterday. We'll see, I need to catch up with the thread. The catch up though might not actually happen, there's a really good chance I'll pass out on my iPad instead.

[Tammy]

Right now attempt two to catch up on the thread though sleeping pills kicking in, I expect to be passing out on my iPad again soon.

[Tammy]

You don't scan an ISO. That's the point of reading an ISO, to do a thorough analysis.

Thanks for telling me how to play mafia, this is my first game and tbh I haven't a clue what I'm doing. I figured that *maybe* I could do a quick scan, if only to see what stands out and get a little more familiar with who's in the game etc, and also I'll admit there was a hint of mockery at the idea that you formed your reads in 16 minutes or whatever. But yeah you're right, I shouldn't even bother to look at someone's ISO if I haven't got 2 hours to do a "thorough analysis", let alone dare to post my conclusions. My sincerest apologies.

Holy shit are you an alt of me?

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I'm so super far behind in this game, and if you guys keep posting at this rate I'm never going to catch up :/

[Tammy]

have very severe reservations about Maraca

The only reservation you have about me is an RVSP to your townblock.

If I were creating a town blok I wouldn't put you in it.

Then that's YOUR failure; and you have the nerve to lecture mara about recognizing obvious town?

Ftr when I said this it had nothing to do with my read on your slot, but me being annoyed with your slot.

Yeah me too!

[Tammy]

Tammy I don't want to make things worse for you.

If you feel like talking reads with me, let me know.

If I ever catch up, sure!

[Tammy]

I am just 12 pages behind now!!! If everyone could stop posting for like the 18-20 so that I actually have a chance to catch up fully that would be really awesome!

[Tammy]

Oh I think doom is town

[Tammy]

We'll your flurry of activity is just adding more pages to the already behind pages i am and will have to catch up with when I stop grading for the night.

But they're better than quote stripes >_>

OMG. Why would not picking up crumbs be a scum tell in the first place. It's mostly a player tell. And scum have more reasons to pick up crumbs because you know crumbs. And anyone who even minutely knows cabd's play knows to take that shit with a grain of salt. So end the dumb discussion already.

Who is that chic?

[Tammy]

I think they saw me enter this game confident and happy, which only means one thing for my alignment, and decided to knock me out of my comfort zone, that way noone will listen to my reads because I'm the emotional girl who got frustrated and cussed people out.

If you really think this, then you really don't know much about my town game, or scum game. Knocking you out of your comfort zone was something I had wanted to do, but not for the reasons you stated.

Well congratulations. If you felt like you needed to act like a total fucking jackass for no fucking reason, then you know nothing about my town or scum game, and the only thing you achieved is me not respecting any damn thing you say in this game.

So you should just stop talking to or about me.

[Tammy]

Town:

1. Tammy - More mara's read than mine.
2. geists (fferyllt + Natirasha) -mostly cabd head; you should be ashamed I beat you to a reads list.
4. MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) oh hey these scumfucks snuck into my townblock?
13. KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - mara's read
11. BROseidon - I have my reasons
10. pieguyn - you're not nearly as innocent child status as i'd like though
19. Cephrir - Mara has him down as super duper town
18. DOMO - Meta; being scum with him in 165

Meh:

6. Generic- not as obvtown as I would have hoped, will make mara sort later
9. Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - Half of varsoon's shit has pinged me, I dunno.
8. MafiaSSK - the higher level of activity here as opposed to his past town games makes me wonder things.
15. Sakura Hana - Do something super town so I can put you up a rank please.
17. zMuffinMan- I can't read you for shit so I guess I'll just have to wait and see; nothing jumps out so far.

Not so Town:

3. Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - Mara disagrees slightly
12. Brian Skies - The dismal amount of effort you're bringing here scares me.
20. Desperado - I'm not seeing the OMG PASSION town desp brings to games. I see "meh make a few posts" then coasting from the Atlantic to the Pacific
5. F-16_Fighting_Falcon - the lack of effort here is surprising me and actually kind of making me sad, worried the fuck out of me

In this game?

7. roflcopter - Bitching about large amounts of posts when that's how some players read each other won't get you anywhere
14. goodmorning - START DOING SHIT LIKE OMG
16. pitoli - SEE GOODMORNING

Oh, I see this was made. Cool

Tammy's a little more Meh-read now. She was God-town earlier, but holding a grudge on an attack that I had made earlier and not understanding where my paranoia of her is coming from is a little weird. The emotions were, and still are town as fuck though and isn't something that isn't easily replicated as scum even by me and my ability to replicate most, if not all of my major town-tells is something I have alot of pride over.

I don't like the Pie read

or the domo read (but that's Rev so my read there is going to be cagey as fuck)

a little bit more happier with Casso and Desp, would even move both of them to maybe town

Down-grade SSK

downgrade muffinman
Downgrade sakura? might keep her where she's at

Uprade Copter to town, maybe. Need to relook at that other normal game I had with him though him being VT there is interesting

Mmm, everything else looks good from my perspective.

I hope everyone sees what these chucklefucks are doing.

[Tammy]

I'm about to get prodded. I'll post here later. I have papers to grade first.

[Tammy]

Wrong game.

[Tammy]

So. I'm like 35 pages behind in this game. I'm not reading those 35 pages. From what I've skimmed here and there it's mostly just self-important blather and spam that really does nothing. Also, it's filled with posts by people who are annoying me, so. If I'm alive in a couple days I'll read it when I re-read the game, but other than that no thank you. I suppose there's a slight possibility I'll finish grading and packing and have extra time to read the bloat but as I'd prefer not to beat myself upside the head with a baseball bat probably not.

I think that one of the people in a oh let's talk about Tammy's meta and discuss how it makes her more likely town because she can't, no can she, fake emotions as scum is probably scum. I haven't decided who; I don't have good feelings about any of them.

goodmorning is probably town.

Why is goodmorning the first person you iso'd?

Tammy is highly town too unless she started being able to imitate her town aggressiveness? Idk someone who recently played with her can link me to something like that.

If you feel even slightly unsure about me why don't you address me directly? Save Nacho, you probably know my meta better than anyone here, and know how to get a read on me. (Also if you're going to hang out at the gold saucer, could you get an avatar that is more pleasing to me?)

Geists - Assertive is not a town tell for Arthur. I *kinda* like his posting so far, but we'll see.

[Tammy]

Also, I have no reads. I'm legit at 45 pages in with no reads. I probably don't want to make enemies or some shit like that but I have absolutely no reads.

I like the spirit of the stuffed crust hydra as varsoon amuses me. F-16 is my town party buddy. The chucklefuck hydra sucks and they can choke on some hemp rope or die in a fire whichever is good. The Nacho hydra is underwhelming. Like seriously. u.n.d.e.r.w.h.e.l.m.i.n.g. roflcopter was probstown. Still think DOMO is probs town.

And that's about it.

[Tammy]

moraca

i liked you last i read, but you and mara not sorting each other has me worried.

[Tammy]

I would be scum if I insta-towned myself.

and we aren't ever gonna be lynched ever so... not worried much about my play

and tammy hasn't done shit so far and, meta aside she hasn't done anything I would expect town to do

and this game isn't that hard to catch up on, so I dunno why everyone is complaining about it

last I recalled, you like to refer to past behavior if you can and that's meta.

Pretty sure I told you days ago to stop talking to or about me.

You obviously know shit about me so just shut the fuck up.

Anyone who has a tiny clue about me knows I'm pretty damn busy right now so that's one major thing, and this game is nothing but bloat which I haven't read half of and don't plan to. You all post too much and make too much noise, and I want to scratch my eyes out every time I see a post from you. I would have replaced out days ago except its empires game and he's already having trouble finding a replacement and I'm not going to do that to him. You don't like the results of a situation you caused on purpose? Well then don't be a royal jackass. The only thing I know now is not to sign up for games with you in them. I'll get to this game when I have the time and the motivation to do so,

So you can shut the fuck up about it, or you can get everyone to lynch me so I can be let out of this game. Either one is fine, the latter is probably most preferable.

[Tammy]

@ Maraca, in hindsight I don't like your push on Tammy. You are presenting the goal as pro-town (Tammy looks obvtown after your push). But Tammy looks obvtown in many games even when not accused of being scum. The only thing your push did was discourage a competent town player from posting much which subtly eliminates a threat without having to nightkill her just by breaking her. Tammy is right that her FOS on you would likely be taken less seriously because you upset her and you come out looking good from the exchange for having done this "pro-town" thing of making Tammy look obvtown. Your push looks like it served a scum wincon much more than a town one. I miss Tammy's contributions to the game (she is the only one I have a mutual townread on so probably the only one I can work with at this point) and I am not happy with it. Your read on Rofl makes no sense. How does Rofl look town?

I seriously doubt their intentions were this nefarious even if they're scum.

I don't agree. I think it was.

[Tammy]

Tammy is highly town too unless she started being able to imitate her town aggressiveness? Idk someone who recently played with her can link me to something like that.

If you feel even slightly unsure about me why don't you address me directly?

I'm not? I said UNLESS people can link me to a game where she was scum and imitated her to town game this good (because I haven't played with you in a good while?). Also no offense but if you were scum I think I'd rather someone else link me than you saying you can't imitate your town game this good

I didn't mean ask me directly if I could imitate my town game. It's just the last game we played together (the slow game, I think) you suspected me for telling too many jokes and faking being happy or something for drawing town. Even though regfan was like she's dripping obvious town for that happiness, you still didn't buy it until I wrote a wall rant. But I guess then you didn't try to push me directly either and that's one of the things I suspected you for. So, not sure where I'm going with that but, just woke up. Need to head to work, maybe I'll figure it out.

(Also if you're going to hang out at the gold saucer, could you get an avatar that is more pleasing to me?)

I'm trying to find my Cait Sith picture >_>

TICK TOCK ARTHUR

[Tammy]

roflcopter was probstown.

can you talk to me about this plz

It's a gut read. Rofl doesn't like hydras, so his complaints are expected. The only thing is that he also doesn't like playing scum, but iirc he replaced out of mastin's? Game for too much noise. Don't quote me on that I only very loosely followed that game, and he replaced out of empires last game because of a hydra being in it.

Anyway, rofl's pretty aggressive either alignment but the couple times I've seen him as scum, he's come across weirdly aggressive. I liked what he did post at a gut level.

[Tammy]

Geists - Assertive is not a town tell for Arthur. I *kinda* like his posting so far, but we'll see.

Noted. This was a Nati read, and I doubt I conveyed the nuance very well. Nati thought the entrance was strong. I've liked his posts since entrance but will have to meta him to get much of a personal read. iirc we've played one game together, but hardly had any contiguous time in the game because I died shortly after he replaced in.

He'll be a bit difficult to meta. He hasn't played in a while and last time we played he was undergoing a playstyle shift, and it looks from here like he's keeping with the last playstyle he started experimenting with. I have goodish feelings for him right now, and I'm pretty sure the last time he was scum we were partners, so hopefully I'll be able to shore up that read soon, depending on how much he posts which I think he said might not be that much right now.

[Tammy]

Actually

VOTE: mc maraca[/quote]

[Tammy]

VOTE: mc maraca

[Tammy]

I don't give a fuck what you want from me. I'll do what I want to do when I want to do it.

Is that enough for you to start a wagon on me? It's free and I'm not going to fight it. I just don't want you addressing me again unless it's a vote on me. Like I've said fifty times not to fucking speak to me.

Vote me or shut the fuck up.

[Tammy]

If you were town, you would drop it. If you were town, when you saw that I didn't laugh off you guys' behavior the other night, you'd drop it. If you were town, you'd realize I felt a line was crossed and you did shit on purpose, because I said I thought that. If you were town, you'd just leave me alone. If you were town, you would.

But every every chance you or your other head gets you continue to troll me or fuck with me or whatever the hell you think you are doing you do. If you were town, you'd realize that you're helping to contribute to a distraction. If you were town, you'd realize that. But, you're not. And you're doing it on purpose.

You're acting like you're scumhunting when you're not. Your "gambit" or whatever the hell you want to call it wasn't actually a great way to get out of rvs. Any moron with two brain cells to rub together knows not to claim mason/ic/informed townie whatever you were softclaiming and any other moron with half a brain cell knows not to take a softclaim like that seriously. And not only did you just not drop that gambit, but you literally asked for people to comment on whether or not they bought it and what they were doing when they played along or whatever. Your hydra dissonance, your push on me, your gambit to start the game, every single thing you've done reads so ultimately fake as shit.

All of it is fake as fuck, and if you don't know how to read me in the first five pages of this game you sure as shit don't know how to read me through anything else. So, you should probably stop trying.

[Tammy]

I do, actually

My (personal) prediction is

SSK/desp. Tammy/F-16, Brian, Muffin

Pedit: Ohhaicabd

Then vote me. I'm a free mislynch. This is your one chance you get to mislynch me and watch me not fight it.

I'll even help with incentives.

I'm not going to read this game. I don't have the time or the will to read this game. And bonus! I'm going on v/la tomorrow so I especially won't be reading this game.

[Tammy]

Tammy:

I'm voting who I think is scum; not who I think is getting way too hot and bothered because "omfg how dare they read me wrong don't they know I'm innocent child" You can take your burden of proficiency at reading you onto your plane with you. And lose it in the luggage sorting area. In the great words of andrius, "The only innocents are bodies"

Cabd - You have no idea what my mindset actually is if you think that burden of proficiency of reading me is the problem. You have always attributed it far too simplistically.

Nobody should think they can actually get a read on me by being rude and crossing lines to see if I'll get pissed. Because to think that is to not actually know anything about me.

You want to know something about me? You want a meta tell you can take to the bank? Go read my first few posts. I'm never that happy to be in a game as scum. I'm never just having that much fun with the game as scum. THAT'S what I can't fake. And no I don't enter every game I'm town in that happy, but if I am that happy. I'm town.

I won't pretend to understand exactly what mara did with you; and I personally think it was a bit over the top; but this is a game. Anything and everything that helps me, or my partner, get a read is fair game to me so long as it falls in the game's rul

Well congratulations. Bully for you! How'd that work out for you guys, eh? You got to call me town because I got pissed at someone being rude, oh yay, but oh gosh now I'm a scum read and the result is it caused a distraction and 88 pages later it still reeks of shit and gave me another person I have no desire to play with. Wow that sounds like that worked out so well for you guys. Well, if you're scum it worked out marvelously. If town, no so much.

[Tammy]

and if you were town, you would understand where my paranoia is coming from and the actual reason to why I was pushing in the first place.

You're not paranoid. It's fake.

[Tammy]

Tammy, do you see any parallels between Arthur's play here and in Black Flag Nightless?

Oh gosh. That game was so long ago and Arthur's meta has changed so much since then, and he's gone through more than one playstyle shift since then.

The last game we played together he barely did anything, got investigated and confirmed town, did a lot more of nothing until right before endgame, and then got lynched in LyLo because he wasn't doing enough even though he was confirmed town.

So, basically I'll need way more on Arthur until I can feel good one way or the other. But, even through the meta changes, one thing that has remained constant in how to read Arthur is to look at how he's reading other people and why.

[Tammy]

Tammy, do you see any parallels between Arthur's play here and in Black Flag Nightless?

Oh gosh. That game was so long ago and Arthur's meta has changed so much since then, and he's gone through more than one playstyle shift since then.

The last game we played together he barely did anything, got investigated and confirmed town, did a lot more of nothing until right before endgame, and then got lynched in LyLo because he wasn't doing enough even though he was confirmed town.

So, basically I'll need way more on Arthur until I can feel good one way or the other. But, even through the meta changes, one thing that has remained constant in how to read Arthur is to look at how he's reading other people and why.

I thought the major difference was in the way he approached his read on you. I remembered he initially came out aggressively pushing players going so far as to later admit that he was bs'ing reads upon an initial catchup. I felt it different from here although I think checking his more recent completed games would help.

I agree that's why I initially said something to him because he asked if anyone could link him to me showing my initial aggressiveness in case his read on me was base don incorrect meta. Because I would expect that if he had any doubt whatsoever that he would push me like he did in BlackFlag. (I caught him as scum earlier this year because he was kinda scumreading me but not doing what he did in BlackFlag.

though I did waffle later because you know self-doubt

However, in the last game we played together, in the one I just mentioned, I entered the game very similarly to here. I'd drawn scum quite a few times between here and at Westeros and finally drew town. I made several jokes in my entry and he thought I was scum. I, in turn, thought he was scum because he didn't really interact with me to shore up the read. It was given kind of side-linish and that felt very off to me from him. But, in the previous game we played together, in which I was scum, I also thought he was scum because he was a lot less direct and involved until nearer to end game. BUT, in the game previous to that, we were scum partners, and he was pretty over aggressive in a lot of ways, but I also knew he was scum so it's harder to gauge, but he was way more involved and aggressive than his two succeeding town games.

I'm not sure if he's played here at all this semester. (His entry post was okay but not as good as some other of his replace-in when he was town.)

That's a lot to say, I just really don't know, and will need more to get a read on him.

[Tammy]

mod-I'll be v/la until the 23rd. I should be able to post, just don't know when

[Tammy]

mod I wrote a note up there for you

[Tammy]

I got the opposite impression from Pieguyn's posts. It felt as if he was scumhunting constantly right from the moment he replaced in. He came in, questioning Sakura, then moved onto DOMO, and then to StuffedCrust. He seemed to have plenty of cases and he listed quite a few scumreads in his reads list. Tell me how he has done 0 scunhunting.

Yeah but like

Do you SEE those.

1) They look terribly fake.

2) They look like that thing scum do where they focus on one person and ignore everything else and so they can LOOK like they're actually scumhunting and putting effort while they are literally bouncing off thoughts with one person.

3) There's a difference between attacking people and scumhunting. Scumhunting that leads you to form a scumread on someone actually requires attempt to convince people to vote someone to create pressure and get a reaction.

Posting on a bus cuz weeeeeee

Okay falcon. This type of read is along the lines of what I would expect from Arthur!town. It's not slam dunk as he's able to fake this and if this game turns out to be multiball or have an sk then this is less definite, but this is the way Arthur thinks about and reads people or pushes people to strengthen his reads on people.

Usually when he's scum they tend to be more aggressive or aggressive in a weird way or just be really off.

[Tammy]

Actually I'm down with Pie.

Vote: Pie

Nearly 0 scumhunting, and the only case/scumread is on the dude with the largest wagon

Like I don't actually get the feeling they have any interest of solving this game.

what the fuck?
I've been trying to sort most of the players the whole game. I started by getting a bunch of townreads and trying to verify they were all correct, and then I've been pushing on people since then. you completely left out the part where I've been pushing on other people besides SC and how I expressed several scumreads that weren't SC.

Okay so here's the problem. Getting townreads is the easiest thing in the world, especially when YOU BARELY HAVE SCUMREADS. It doesn't create conflict, and it creates this sense that you're actually achieving something. Number 2, what's more troubling is the fact that YOU TRIED TO NARROW DOWN THAT TOWN LIST. You do realize the majority of people, are, in fact town, right? And at one point you're supposed to go "okay, I have this list of like 12 townreads, now lets try to narrow down the others to scum BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LYNCH SOMEONE". Number 3, while yes, you did mention "several" scumreads, you did them in time intervals (okay there's a difference between mentioning scumreads and actually pushing them - the former is useless without the latter). My biggest problem with you is that you pick one person, huff and puff after them in what looks like an attempt to show you're

pushing

suspects, while tunneling everything out.

also, if you haven't read the thread, then how the fuck would you get the idea I've done "nearly 0 scumhunting"?

I don't know, random epiphanies just fall unto me.

2) They look like that thing scum do where they focus on one person and ignore everything else and so they can LOOK like they're actually scumhunting and putting effort while they are literally bouncing off thoughts with one person.

and why the fuck do you think this is alignment indicative?

Because... like... it literally is, most of the time?

3) There's a difference between attacking people and scumhunting. Scumhunting that leads you to form a scumread on someone actually requires attempt to convince people to vote someone to create pressure and get a reaction.

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS EVEN MEAN?!

It means you had/have no intention of actually pushing someone and was/is putting on a show to look like you care about "figuring" out the scum.

your reasons for accusing me are BS. your push on me is opportunistic as fuck

Lol wat. It's opportunistic... because there are 2 people voting you? And it's not like I want to create pressure anywhere,

no

, why would that be beneficial at all?

ok so how the fuck have none of you noticed that Casso and Ser Arthur just came up with this wagon on me out of nowhere? that's giving me really bad vibes. it feels like scum lining up a mislynch. I'm not sure about Casso considering Thor hadn't read a lot of the thread, but Ser Arthur is scum and I'm sure of it. sheep me plz o/

You caught us me and casso are totally partners.

I'm not cutting any of this down cuz on phone on bus So yeah.

The first point turned my head. I know Arthur values town hunting so some of that argument felt off coming from him. I think what I'm most eh on is the random all caps. I've found that sometimes people over italicize or include caps to convey a sense of feeling they don't actually have. That's a minor pint though just something that caught my eye. The rest of it looks enough like he's trying to sort pie though.

(Although the you caught me thing is something he'd do as either alignment though.)

I feel like this is a useless post but I'm posting it anyway because it was a pain to type in the first place.

[Tammy]

Hi!

I'm drunk...I have five minutes, and you know what I think?

Let's lynch mc Maraca.

Because holy fucking shit not only are they fake as shit, but they have 340 posts. On day one. They are drowning out the game in noise.

So everyone should join me on the protwn, let's do shit for town and let's get rid of bloating the game scum wagon.

EVERYONE WITH ME!!!!!!!

[Tammy]

Also, the seal might be scum.

[Tammy]

Tammy you can read Nero right?

Because I'm just gonna sheep your read on him.

Unfortunately I don't think Nero has been doing much of the posting. There's something i remembered liking awhile back, but it was minor. Nero can get in here and start yelling at people for being stupid any second now. There is, however, something I'm interested in but won't bear much fruit right this second so I have to wait and see. They were meh-null last I read though.

[Tammy]

This is really really really really pathetic guys. I know that more conversation is usually considered pro-town but at some point it becomes anti-town. There's likely scum cluttering things up. (geists?) Lynching from SC/Muffin seems like the safest bet regardless of alignment.

I'm also a lil' worried about Pie 'cause he seems like he's on every major wagon.

Why (heists) and not mc maraca here?

[Tammy]

That would involve me posting their entire iso.

But in a nutshell, their entire iso is off. Mara is trying to affect an "I'm a badass" image, which actually started with her response to my statement that everyone with a start date within the last year was new. It was fake, she was all pfft you're saying I'm new, which is true, but whatevs. Then every single thing she has posted has been her trying to create an affect like she's in control of the game, which some people can't help but do when they're scum. (If on the slight chance she's not scum, I suppose it could be her trying to show off for her hydra partner and create this atmosphere of something she's not, however it more lines up with her scum).

Anyway read their iso, there's a smugness that's there that denotes not one ounce of town trying to figure out the game but scum posturing every chance they get.

[Tammy]

Falcon - you're not disappointed in me at all for having a meltdown and getting pissed? You don't think it's awful of me at all to be voting mc maraca for what from an outside view could be omgus?

[Tammy]

I'm probably going to pass out now. I might not be able to post again until Monday, don't be sad.

The seal wagon is not a bad wagon at all. (Yes, Bert, in hard boiled I realized for sure nacho was scum for unnatural sorting of me, but it was mostly based on something I would have expected town him to pick up on about town me. I'm not so sure muffin is as easy to sort as I am, and it seemed really clear to me that nacho was maneuvering around who was obvtown to the crowd and creating noise that I didn't think he would create.)

(Speaking of Nacho, maraca's crap "gambit" had nothing to do with pushing me to look obvtown and if you are somehow town you're looking at that far too simplistically. Mara betrayed her underhanded motivations when she said she didn't push me as hard as she planned. You don't "plan" to push people for reactions as town, not in the beginning of the game. And not in the fashion as she did, unless you're a complete amateur, so if you and she will admit she has no clue whatsoever that she's doing in this game I'll think of stepping back, but in order to gauge reactions on someone you have to know them...you have to know what to push...you have to know some way of reading them. Anyone with a modicum of understanding of m game wouldn't have needed to do that. And her push was not in any way shape or form one to figure out my alignment, it was purely to piss me off, purely to discredit me. That is 100% evident by the ensuing days, so you comparing it to hard boiled is flawed because the motivation was not the same or even close.)

You're probably scum though so :/

I'm still not voting stuff crust because bar soon amused me.

Not voting muffin.

Surprised Sakura isn't a thing.

Would probs go back to voting BBQ, but meh.

Let's lynch maraca though!!!

[Tammy]

Desperado am I drunk or did you tell broseidon he should vote maraca whirl you're voting stuff crust?

[Tammy]

I had a huge wall going and then the server decided I don't need to wall.


Desp, why call me scum and then leave GM out of the "partner" discussion when I've spent a shitton of time calling her town to anyone that asks?

Yes, it certainly sucks that a server going down stole all the thoughts you didn't have and you couldn't recreate said fake thoughts. Booooooo.

[Tammy]

Because holy fucking shit not only are they fake as shit, but they have 340 posts. On day one. They are drowning out the game in noise.

when you get a chance can you elaborate on what seems fake plz

I remember seeing some things that seemed off but I was too lazy/busy doing other shit to poke around there @_@

Also, if maraca is somehow town, ^ this is probs scum.

[Tammy]

You want Nacho - Say his name.

Also to the lot of you

STOP POSTING

[Tammy]

Falcon - you're not disappointed in me at all for having a meltdown and getting pissed? You don't think it's awful of me at all to be voting mc maraca for what from an outside view could be omgus?

I wish you hadn't but I understand why you did. I skimmed through your ISO in Mafia behind the Maiden after seeing it being referenced in Black Flag to get a perspective of your playstyle. It seems to be a darker side of your play that rarely resurfaces now and MC's attack was likely a trigger either intentional or unintentional.

If I had a townread on them, I would've tried to get you to stop but I don't.

On another note, I've been wanting to play a game with Norlkaz for a while so looking forward to what he has to say.

I wish I could erase that game from the memory books. Unfortunately, my life and mood have a great impact on my temperament in game, and I really should not have been playing mafia last summer.

[Tammy]

Also, can I tell you how much I hate you all for posting too much. There's no way I'm actually reading all this. If I miss something in my speed reading catch up, point me to it. Otherwise, well, stop posting.

Like I'd literally pay a virtual dollar for a vig shot on either mc maraca and geists right now. There is no reason to have over 400 posts on day one. Would you like me to give my speech about how noise helps scum win games and never helps town?

I kinda like Nero's response to me. A little too subdued, still would like to see the yelling and aggression, but still. Kinda liked it.

[Tammy]

Also, if maraca is somehow town, ^ this is probs scum.

care to explain why?

ftr I've been wondering about mara for a while now

Because you came in guns blazing against Sakura trying to sort her, but your request to me about maraca felt really limp-wristed. Like oh yeah, I've been meaning to sort them but been lazy. If you'd been wondering about mara for that time, then why not try to sort it? Your question to me just read really off.

[Tammy]

Like I'd literally pay a virtual dollar for a vig shot on either mc maraca

Tell me more about how you'd shoot the mason.

And wouldn't blink.

[Tammy]

Hi!

I'm drunk...I have five minutes, and you know what I think?

Let's lynch mc Maraca.

Because holy fucking shit not only are they fake as shit, but they have 340 posts. On day one. They are drowning out the game in noise.

So everyone should join me on the protwn, let's do shit for town and let's get rid of bloating the game scum wagon.

EVERYONE WITH ME!!!!!!!

I don't really like using post count as a gauge for scumminess.

Like, the AP/me hydra backends games faster than they move when we're at full force, so we end up with like 30-50% more posts than anyone else+another like 60% in our QT.

The post count being a gauge for scumminess was partly in jest.

But, I'm a firm believer that noise helps scum more than it helps town. I believed it in Anything Goes when I was scum against the amount of posts the you and AP hydra put up, and I'm a firm believer in it as town. That much bloat gives scum a place to hide, and when scum have a place to hide that's bad for town. (I also wasn't lying about my belief in the good of utility lynches for town.)

[Tammy]

Like I'd literally pay a virtual dollar for a vig shot on either mc maraca

Tell me more about how you'd shoot the mason.

And wouldn't blink.

Ok good, safe to ignore you for the rest of the game then since you obviously care more about "getting back at me" than you do playing the game properly.

LOL

What are utility lynches? What purposes do they serve for town?

To justify avoiding lynching lurkers.

Nope.

[Tammy]

Pie wtf.

I thought you were actually town.

How do you go back to making me think you're scum in a span of 2 pages.

Thank you for the avatar change though!

[Tammy]

Because it makes things make more sense to the rest of the players; and hopefully it allows people to make connections that they might not have made assuming nightchat only. Mara and I fully believe there is one scum in the first three to four slots on our wagon. We agreed our reads aren't great this game, and like it or not, outing as mason is gonna shake this entire game back up and at 'em. We believe that one scum is F-16.

Daychat isn't as powerful as you think it is; in fact, I think it has some serious draw backs.

You decided that outing yourself as masons, or outing it at the beginning of the game, when you're not actually high profile night-kill targets is actually the smart thing to do? And because your reads are shit? OHKAY. Your reads don't have to be great as masons; all you need to do is figure out a way to stay alive without too much notice and try to make it to end game or near it to be a benefit for town.

But this is all I'm going to say on the matter because I've already said what I think about masons outing themselves early on day one for no reason.

(Oh but sure, me wanting someone who is bloating the game to die regardless of alignment is me not playing properly. Glass houses and all that shit.)

[Tammy]

Who here can read Falcon like a book? <---- this guy.

[Tammy]

Who here can read Falcon like a book? <---- this guy.

Do you think F-16 is scum? Do you think this is a wonderful lynch for today?

My emoticon isn't about Falcon and my read on falcon; it's about your statement that you read him like a book.

[Tammy]

Because if the answer is no and you give me a tiny bit of credit to be able to read Mac, then help me find a wagon that doesn't suck. I am sorry for forgetting your Falcon expertise.

Oh this is to me. Give me a minute. I'm hitting a stride and don't think I'll take too much longer to catch up.

[Tammy]

Oh and while i'm at it; @tammy.

I figured out what pisses me off so much about your play style. Your "I am only elated as town" shit pisses me off because it's essentially discrediting your own scumgame and or saying you as a player refuse to play to the best of your ability by faking that elation as scum as the rules of the game would suggest.

Too simplistic. Way, too, simplistic. To say this is to not understand anything about how I think or play this game, which makes the earlier attempt to get a read on my slot in the way your slot did it, even more wrong-minded. I gave you a town tell; you're missing the why's of the town tell.

(I do, however, think my scum game sucks.)

[Tammy]

Also, didn't I say all you had to do was say his name?

[Tammy]

Also sooo many panic posts after the mason claim

Delicious isn''t it? Watching tammy's reaction when she gets back ought to be popcorn worthy too.

I'd like to know how much time you wasted in your qt salivating over my reaction to your claim, when all I felt was a *shrug* with a side of wtf.

[Tammy]

Also

Unvote

because fferyllt's mad at me.

Don't like this. ffery has consistently been throwing her entire weight to back up someone playing blatantly anti-town regardless of their affiliation.

You are harping too hard on this point; net result of gambit from scumMC side is locking down Tammy vote on scum and making Tammy useless for like a day when it's likely she would be useless anyways. So the antitown effects you are talking about actually aren't that horrible.

Why would Tammy be useless anyway?

YEAH! Why would I be useless anyway???

[Tammy]

Tammy says Dayne is town

I think Arthur is maybe town.

[Tammy]

Tammy you're easily manipulated

*grins*

I'm turning over a NEW LEAF!!!

[Tammy]

I am not sold you are town. Still null at this point. You could be an actual Mason. You could be a VT fake-claiming Mason. Or you could be scum fake-claiming Mason. Regardless, Mara made a dumb move earlier in the game. If you were competent town, I'd expect you to own up to it and back off. You didn't. You continued acting as if you were in the right and OMGUSing me. That makes you (Mara) either scum or incompetent town. I am not sure which. That's why you are in my annoyance pile. Only incompetent townies tunnel mindlessly. I backed off of voting you several pages ago so if you are actually town and this ends up being TvT, it is not my fault and you better not blame me at endgame, just saying that now.

Dunno what you're going on about but I do know this post rubs me the wrong way.

It rubs me hugely the wrong way too. Getting mastin/katsuki vibes from Anything Goes from this post.

Would like Tammy's input on that, actually.

pedit: I'm pretty sure that my stance on certain claims is pretty well recorded. Day 1 mason claim doesn't get lynched on day 1. Ever.

Theory-driven play is fun!

You'll have to be more specific in what you're referring to. Remember in game when I said that I didn't want to read Unmasked Kit's posts? That was total truth; I barely read any of their posts. I didn't read much of their posts after I died either.

[Tammy]

F-16: If you think i'd fakeclaim mason at this stage in the game as town, you are showing that you have clearly not ACTUALLY meta-checked the kind of gambits I pull; or you're choosing to ignore that for your own agendas. I take risks, but not the kind that might out a real set of masons were I to be VT.

I think the lack off cc to your original fake-claim would tell you that there aren't real masons which makes it an amazing fake-claim as scum or VT. Out your partner.

You've been on site for more than twice as long as I have.

So why don't you understand a simple textbook play?

He's maintaining that he thinks I'm a fakeclaim.

What kind of scum motivation do you think there is for him to keep demanding you out your partner? If he were scum and you were town, he'd know your claim was real and he could just quietly accept it and kill you or your partner at night. ALSO, it's like really bloody obvious who you are hinting your partner to be, and if I picked it up and I haven't read half the game, don't you think one of his partners would have picked it up and yelled it through the all-powerful day chat you believe they have?

(Also, as far as understanding simple textbook play, not everyone believes in that. He's been a claimed innocent child before and still had someone arguing he was fake-claiming scum, so not everyone sees a claim like that and decides to back off.)

[Tammy]

Tammy is town.
VOTE: Goodmorning

To both the town read and the vote.

What did I do by not posting at all between the time you called me as part of the scum team and this town read?

[Tammy]

I know for a fact that I tend to be more attentive to details as scum than I am as scum.

And everyone plays exactly the same...oh wait.

[Tammy]

Nacho - Do you really think that Sakura!scum would keep calling a town you scum when she mostly sheeps and looks up to you?

[Tammy]

This site is stupid by the way.

[Tammy]

Also i'm retracting my townread on Casso and flipping it over. Nacho doesnt give easy townreads like that and it's bothering me like hell all.

He doesn't? Have you ever played with Nacho?

[Tammy]

And I never EVER produce them on cue when someone I'm scumreading demands one.

I thought you'd be more willing considering on that newbie game my scumread on you came from your lack of trajectory analysis.

That was hilarious, because you had no idea that what was most scummy in my behavior was pretending to do trajectory analysis when you asked for it, not that I hadn't done trajectory analysis before then.

Yeah, but i dont like your OWN trajectory of your read on me, your suspicion has been increasing like an OMGUS to my increasing suspicion on you and when i suddenly start putting you as leaning scum you instantly vote me

I'm not a believer in the smiley tell, but it feels really really out of place here. You're gearing up to scum read them here based on not liking a trajectory on you and then omgus, and then you wipe it all away with a

[Tammy]

Mara is kinda town here, what's wrong? :/

And yes I'm still scumreading geists. Did you notice Falcon's reluctance to vote geists at all despite agreeing with my points? And their distancing early in the game, and Ffery's reluctance to vote Falcon at all.

It's late. I'm tired. This stupid site wouldn't load for me forever. So, I have no explanation for you, but

[Tammy]

Assuming you flip town, then I need to reset I think and trust your read on him. But still since when has Falcon ever attracted this much suspicion as town. EVER?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=24222

[Tammy]

this game is an abomination
r

I thought you liked the chaos of noisy larges?

[Tammy]

If Stuffed is scum, Casso is likely town.

Are you saying there's only one scum team?

yes, yes, because in ADwD, you didn't declare someone obvtown just because Zdenek was scum reading them in a known multi ball set up.

[Tammy]

Looking at some things that I am not allowed to admit exist, I would just like to clarify that I really like the idea of Pie getting lynched.

Unless this is multi ball, this is the towniest thing to come from your slot barring this being here purely for manipulative purposes.

[Tammy]

Tammy you're easily manipulated

*grins*

If it weren't almost 7am I might yell at you.

[Tammy]

Holy shit it's late and I need to pass out.

No way in hell am I helping lynch F-16. None.

I still like Stuff Crust because I'm still amused but I'll lynch that to avoid an F-16 lynch though I think we can do better if people would just stop posting absolute inanities.

VOTE: sakura

[Tammy]

ALSO NACHO
I still maintain there being a scum between Tammy and F-16, and I have a really hard time seeing F-16 scum so some light on the matter might help

I'm not Nacho but I'll field this one anyway because I know where you're coming from in not seeing Tammy town. Here's the situation;

Tammy is apparently utterly incapable of faking emotion as scum.

Yeah...that's pretty much the case, and, yeah, kinda mind-blowing innit? But people will defend this one, and the *really* screwy part is if you go and look at enough of the meta YOU START BUYING INTO IT. I really don't get it, myself, and apparently she's either a really bad actor (or I'm fething amazing and magical) and/or

she's decided to permanently shoot her scum game in the foot in order to have an easier and lazier time when being town.

But...yeah, that's the case. There isn't really an appropriate smilie icon to represent how I feel about that, so I'll just post this one because I don't see it used often.

For someone who actually thinks they're capable of reading me, you're making an outstanding show of demonstrating an incapability of reading me.

The hydra dissonance on this feels really fake btw. And I direct you to the bold. That's where you start getting dicey and veering off into really scummy wtf land because sure what I'm known for is being lazy when town. That's um no there's not an appropriate smilie icon to represent how stupid that statement is.

You're suffering from the same superficial and simplistic outlook on that though that Cabd is.

[Tammy]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

WHY

WHAT HAPPENED TO MY WAGON

AND OUR VOTE

DESPERADO WHY ARE YOU NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTION

Mara, I don't agree with your reasoning for pushing Tammy and I assumed that it was scum motivated.

earlier you stated that you didn't know what to make of my push on tammy. You said that you had no way of knowing if I was town making a stupid move, or scum doing so blatant to "help my wincon"

and then...

and then...

and then...

you still say I'm the towniest ON YOUR WAGON and that I obv-towned myself when you don't even

know

what town-mara looks like and spent... all day trying to say that I was scum without really calling me scum

and? your scumlist is shiiiiiiiiiiitttttt

You do nothing all day BUT try to discredit my play and you only try to work with us because we claimed Mason....

but, as for why you think my case on Casso is wrong

Suspecting you and pushing for your lynch isn't a scumtell. Saying that you are town isn't a towntell. Town can be wrong and scum will townread townies.

I'm very well aware of this, I town-read people all the time as scum. this is a far to simplistic version of my case on Casso, and it DOES NOT take into consideration what he knows about me, what I know about him, his knowledge on the kinds of things that make me squeamish, the kind of things that I don't hesitate to push on but completely disregarding that, anyway.

You also aren't interpreting the Nacho/generic interaction the way I did... it had nothing to do with Nacho admonishing him for scum-reading me


AND SPEAKING OF MY NACHO/THORCASE (mostly nacho)

In our game together, I was calling Nacho town for reasons FAR more useless than the ones I used here, I also called molla town for something super duper menial and you? you were all "oh, I'm glad you caught that" and didn't bother either of them, period. I was wrong on Nacho/andy, sure but you still trusted my read on them and you definitely didn't call them shit. Something I would expect from someone like, nero maybe but you?

it's pretty fucking weird. kinda like you're looking for a new way to discredit me since you can't call us scum anymore.

ALSO NACHO
I still maintain there being a scum between Tammy and F-16,

and I have a really hard time seeing F-16 scum so some light on the matter might help

Holy shit I missed this the first time around. Why are you wa-wa-waing about your wagon on falcon disappearing and then in the VERY SAME POST say the bold?

[Tammy]

I've also spent all day explaining why I think Tammy is scum.

it mostly was her not scum-hunting, her not understanding why I would be paranoid when she's duped me TWICE (not once, but twice) and one of those times, she has used emotion to do such.

granted, she is doing better now, but...

If you actually believe what you posted here you legit are not reading my posts. And you wonder why I think everything you've said is fake.

[Tammy]

Nati head of Geists - You're familiar with Sakura and her behavior getting lynched. Is this her town reaction or her scum reaction?

[Tammy]

I didn't have much time cuz family is here and Christmas, but I looked through xenologue to see if it's similar. I don't really get how it is. There there was this build up of pressure, in which Sakura thought there was no way around her lynch because Nacho was scum reading her. She claimed and then hammered herself because she wanted everyone to know that she was telling the truth about her claim and her reads. When she hammered herself she gave final reads.

That doesn't really match up to here where she was the 5th vote on her wagon and she included the bit about the *ragequit* and then decided not to claim and say that she was going to troll instead.

I've never seen Sakura!scum so I don't know how her reaction matches up to her scum game and how she responds. And I don't have the time to look it up.

I still think there's something up with Pie, but I'm going to go with Falcon's town case right now.

If there's a move away from Sakura, I'd probably join the Stuff Crust wagon even though I don't have great feelings of that coming back scum to avoid getting Falcon lynched.

But I'd probably move to most people or anyone that I don't have an inkling of a town read on, which is most people because this noise is insane.

[Tammy]

I didn't have much time cuz family is here and Christmas, but I looked through xenologue to see if it's similar. I don't really get how it is. There there was this build up of pressure, in which Sakura thought there was no way around her lynch because Nacho was scum reading her. She claimed and then hammered herself because she wanted everyone to know that she was telling the truth about her claim and her reads. When she hammered herself she gave final reads.

That doesn't really match up to here where she was the 5th vote on her wagon and she included the bit about the *ragequit* and then decided not to claim and say that she was going to troll instead.

I've never seen Sakura!scum so I don't know how her reaction matches up to her scum game and how she responds. And I don't have the time to look it up.

I still think there's something up with Pie, but I'm going to go with Falcon's town case right now.

If there's a move away from Sakura, I'd probably join the Stuff Crust wagon even though I don't have great feelings of that coming back scum to avoid getting Falcon lynched.

But I'd probably move to most people or anyone that I don't have an inkling of a town read on, which is most people because this noise is insane.

I'll admit that i would like Sakura to be scum because her shutting down seems more toxic than it usually does (I have no respect for any people in the game, lynch me, fuck you versus her fear of not being able to fight the lynch, frustration and being apologetic for reacting in weird ways and drawing the lynch onto her), but I feel like its more of a case of me just wanting her to be scum as opposed to her actually being scum. The big hoop to jump through is why would she react this way as scum and would she really stoop as low to pulling the "you guys ruined the game" card as scum as opposed to just self voting and trying to fake her usual frustration?

Well that's the sense that I got that was different between here and xenologue, but don't you think that you can read Sakura really really well?

Also, I'm the one who claimed someone else ruined the game for me.

What I'm wondering about is cabd's claim that she does this regardless of alignment and geists not pulling back at all after her reaction.

[Tammy]

So who's good enough to analyze mafiassk's whopping 34 posts for scum-relationship tells if he flips scum?

Who cares?

[Tammy]

I guess SC isn't as strong of a read as he once was based on relative towniness levels of others, but I still think they are town.

Some people with solid scumgames look town, but not town enough.

Make us more comfortable???

"Tammy is town but not town enough" ---> Tammy ended up scum after you said this in Chosen

SC doesn't look very town at all compared to the other people exerting much more effort into this game. That, and the lurking.

Just ftr Tammy has also looked town but not town enough and

has actually been town

[Tammy]

R u kidding me
We don't need associate tells to hunt scum

Okay feel free to go hunt by magic but I'd MUCH prefer a wagon that actually yields info.

When did you become a big ol information lynch person? I'm pretty sure I remember that once when I was scum and lurked and trolled, you declared that were going to travel to everyone's houses and type my name in to ensure my lynch when there was literally no information to be gained from my lynch because i didn't do anything.

I mean I get it if you're town reading SSK, but other than that when did you do big associative tells for scum hunting?

[Tammy]

Tammy: I think her push on MCM is dumb. She used her unstable mood as a defense, and those are my pet peeves. Generally leaning town, but I don't want to give townread to her.

.

Never once said I'm town because I'm in a bad mood. Go on you find that where I said that. I'll wait.

VOTE: stuffed crust

[Tammy]

I still see no town motivation for the moronic way she provoked me that night and I'm not going to suck up to her because she's supposedly a mason.

[Tammy]

Geists: fery has been awfully waffly today. I don't even remember if I've ever seen her this waffly. As Nero pointed out, her claim to follow my read on SC when I already had a read on him before then was weird. I didn't bother reading nati. Ultimately town, but with little bit of reservation.

I absolutely am waffly and I'm not making any bones about that. I thought this player list would necessarily lead to strong day 1 reads. That mostly hasn't been the case. My reads have veered and reversed course again and again.

What I am not is hedgy.

Funny how that works sometimes.

[Tammy]

I don't get why sad defending ssk is a point in his favor. Scum *do* defend people and the way he went about it was really weird. The don't accuse me of bussing if he comes back scum was weird too.

[Tammy]

How did you miss his meta read on pie?

[Tammy]

I'll respond to that in a little while when family goes to bed. I'm supposed to be paying attention to them right now :p

[Tammy]

TOWN++

:
1) Tammy
2) Geists
3) Desperado
4) Pieguyn
5) Bert
6) GoodMorning
7) MC Maraca

POSSIBLY TOWN

8) Sakura Hana - Pending meta-dive
9) MafiaSSK - I thought his analysis of his wagon looked town. If town, he'll probably be nk'd soon anyways based on doc claim
10) Casso the King of Seals - Pending Nacho showing off his awesomeness by wrecking the scum
11) KoreanBBQ - Mostly gut. Some paranoia of GIF for his very good scumgame
12) zMuffinMan - Same as KBBQ
13) Generic - Back to thinking he could be town but not sure

YET TO BE SORTED

:
14) BROseidon
15) Norlkaz
16) Cephrir
17) Ser Arthur Dayne
18) DOMO
19) Stuffed Crust

I am pretty sure there are no scum in the top group. There could be 1, maybe 2 scum in my possibly town pile. The rest I think are in the bottom pile.

Okay I'm exhausted and it's late. I might not make much sense. I also think I'm spending the day with my sister tomorrow so I won't be able to do anything before deadline, but the chances are like 1% I'm dying tonight so I can actually put more thought into this tomorrow.

From your town + list: mild bits of paranoia on geists, probably stupid and can't even really tell you why. I don't have desperado or pieguyn as solid town. I've had pieguyn as a gut scum read, but I'm setting that away for your meta-town case for now. Desperado is weirding me out. I'm pretty sure I remember from Anything Goes that he said that he thrives in the chaos of noisy games or enjoys it or something along those lines, so him complaining about the noise has me furrowing my brow more often than not.

From your possibly town list: Not as sold on Sakura being town as others would like to believe she is. Still worried about Nacho; I'm waiting for pizzazz.

Your need to be sorted list is who I need to sort as well. Though I have Domo as town, not exactly sure why as it was from way earlier. Marble (norlkaz) isn't always active on day one, but I feel like I have some markers for his game to get a decent read on him.

Okay that's all, I guess I really didn't have much to say.

And oops.

[Tammy]

...was I in this game?

yay! good job town.

Thanks for running in Empire!

[Tammy]

*it

I can spell promise; I'm just tired.