NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)
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Bert Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
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Wait a moment. So the top two wagons other than yourself are your only concrete scumreads, yet you have not voted for either of them. Both of their wagons are not anything new. They have been here for quite some time, ever since I entered this game days ago.In post 3247, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I think Casso is scum likely with Stuffed Crust, and possibly a couple of people in my null pile, Generic being a person of concern at this moment.
Why wait until now to list two scumreads, both of them being at the top of the voting chart aside from you? That seems awfully convenient.-
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Spoiler: Mara's read on Casso
Mara, I think you are wrong about Thor/Nacho for all the following reasons:
1) Nothing about Thor's entrance post was alignment indicative coming from Thor.
2) Thor is capable of making people laugh as town and scum.
3) Nacho is perfectly capable of whiteknighting as scum and making people feel good about themselves. He defended me as scum in a recent Micro we both played. It is non-alignment indicative. Both town and scum defend town and buddy them. You say he may have been cutting down on his later options but he can always change his mind so it doesn't mean anything.
4) I'll comment on 356 since it is referring to me. I didn't find it genuine. I rather thought he was exagerating my ability to read him.
5) So, he said he would read your slot through you as opposed to Cabd. Sure, he would do it as town. He would also do it as scum because he would beexpectedto do it as town. Doesn't mean that he is town.
6) Hydra communications - Desperado addressed this. I think they are using it for malicious purposes here. Thor is troll-voting people who Nacho knows intimately and can't vote without scumclaiming. Like me for example but also plenty of others. Nacho's options in this playerlist are very,verylimited. I'd love to see Nacho find any reason to attack me for instance.
7) He would be annoyed at not having a comp to pick up on crumbs even if he is scum. It could be genuine frustration or it could be faked.
8) Debating within their QT about Tammy's emotions served a scum purpose here. Nacho is townreading Tammy - LIKE HE IS SUPPOSED TO. Thor is trying to get on your side by agreeing with you.
9) Nacho takes your side, says you are town, and admonishes Generic for pushing on you. Again, scum can do this.
10) He townread you and got Tammy to back off. Again, you are basing it off of him seeing things from your viewpoint. I would have asked Tammy to back off too if I thought it was TvT. I didn't. I was pretty sure it was TvS.
Suspecting you and pushing for your lynch isn't a scumtell. Saying that you are town isn't a towntell. Town can be wrong and scum will townread townies.-
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F-16_Fighting_Falcon Mafia Scum
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This is comforting.In post 3248, KoreanBBQ wrote:If it helps, its nero who's scumreading fery.
I'm ultimatively townreading her and whenever I see something off from the post, its apparently nati's post so I quietly withdraw my suspicion time to time.
I have tried to interact with you quite a few times. I can't interact with everyone at once. This being a large game does affect my reads. I have 5 solid townreads. If this was a Micro, I would have solved the game by now through POE or at least narrowed down scum to 2/3. I am concerned about you based on ffery's points and your general demeanor like the post I quoted which seems like posturing - because it doesn't make any sense. YOU have me as null and hadn't initiated any interactions with me where as I have. I asked you about your reads and your thoughts on the game state whenever I could catch you out of V/LA. You seem very much like an elusive, mysterious person who wants to be chased just for the lolz.In post 3250, Sakura Hana wrote:The lack of interactions of F16 with me and he still having me as null is scaring me.
I wasn't hardcore scumreading Casso until Thor's vote on me. StuffedCrust, my read has been building for a while. I haven't voted because I am not generally quick with my votes and take time to consider all options. Doesn't your experience with me match up with that?In post 3251, Bert wrote:Wait a moment. So the top two wagons other than yourself are your only concrete scumreads, yet you have not voted for either of them. Both of their wagons are not anything new. They have been here for quite some time, ever since I entered this game days ago.
Why wait until now to list two scumreads, both of them being at the top of the voting chart aside from you? That seems awfully convenient.-
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@Falcon - two points.
1. I have offered multiple reads and trid to advance multiple pushes based on those reads. I stopped caring though about 50 pages ago. At this stage I want a lynch, pure and simple, and apparently the only people anyone is willing to lynch are people I (and Nacho) think are town. Such is life. But, yes, you have accurately spotted that *I don't care* who gets lynched at this stage. That also means either you think I'm town or 3rd party y'know. Just saying.
2. Also, I don't think Nacho would agree with the vote on you, indeed in the QT he has been quite fine with calling you town and basically agreed with my reasoning for calling you town. That said, I personally feel better about Stuffed = town than you, and with that as my choice I'm pretty content to vote you first and try to get away with it since Nacho is being a useless lurk sack to me right now so pretty much you need to pray he decides to be active or it's choo-choo on you all the way through. Also, let's be clear, besides voting you (a town lean for me and a town...well, stronger than lean but he's argued you way less than some of his other reads, so call it weak town read maybe) I could vote Stuffed (a town read for me and a...oh, look, town read for Nacho) or, I could vote a vanity/side wagon and sit on it and call everyone lackwits.
You've played with me, you know *exactly* what I'd do in that situation, and to suggest I'd do it as scum, but not town while also being aware that so many other things I'd do as either alignment reads as either poor play or silly posturing from you. If I was scum, yes, I'd be doing the same things I'm doing now...and that's because when I'm scum I play like my town game. So to suggest this is some weird and trolling push from me that is remotely unusual is super weak - because I *DO* think this will help town, and I am unamused that you fail to understand how it does, or at least how I believe it does.
You want to change things? Then vote Sakura and get some support, I'll move to that in a heartbeat and Nacho seems basically likely to come along for the ride with only minor whining.
But don't write off what I'm doing as trolling, what I'm doing is forcing people to make a stand on someone I'm going to lynch.-
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Hey, Falcon, hey, wanna guess how many games I can link to with me complaining towards end day that people need to get off side wagons and consolidate votes?
They're ALL scum games, I'm certain, because Thor wouldn't evah do that as town, and certainly has this rep of doing things as scum that he doesn't do as town - everyone knows this.-
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Bert Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
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In post 3257, Casso the King of Seals wrote:They're ALL scum games, I'm certain,because Thor wouldn't evah do that as town, and certainly has this rep of doing things as scum that he doesn't do as town - everyone knows this.
In post 3258, Casso the King of Seals wrote:I mean, I have the most transparent scum game of all.Everyone can read me with high accuracy, it happens all the time, and I never complain about how my scum game ruins my town experiences because people start just paranoid suspecting me constantly for nonsensical reasons.
these don't sound genuine, and can't be taken at face value for me, sorry-
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Sakura Hana She/HerSurvivorShe/Her
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You could easily do Meta on me, I did follow up on the newbie game where i replaced out and ffery came in, that you helped solve in the end. While I have no idea how to read you so my interactions with you would be kind of pointless =/In post 3253, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:YOU have me as null and hadn't initiated any interactions with me where as I have. I asked you about your reads and your thoughts on the game state whenever I could catch you out of V/LA. You seem very much like an elusive, mysterious person who wants to be chased just for the lolz.I bloom in spring?
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Bert Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
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Bert Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
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Sakura Hana She/HerSurvivorShe/Her
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Bert, what do you think about lynching Casso instead?
I mulled over it and I am not sure StuffedCrust is scum. I think they are a red herring that scum Thor is setting up for fools who think Thor's scum game is as simple as avoiding a wagon on his buddy. Thor/Nacho are prime targets for investigations and if they do get investigated guilty and lynched, people will be looking at associative tells. I think Stuffed is a mislynch that Thor is trying to set up in the event that their hydra doesn't make it to endgame, and depending on PR actions, they likely won't.
If Stuffed is scum, Casso is likely town.
Sakura, I can't "easily" do meta on you. I have limited pockets on time to spend on this game and a meta-dive takes anywhere between 1-5 hours depending on the skill of the player involved and my experience with them.
You say you have no idea how to read me. Are you implying that you don't attempt to read players that you haven't played with? Because even you don't have a meta baseline, I think it is possible to evaluate a player's behavior in game.-
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Sakura Hana She/HerSurvivorShe/Her
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Or i could let some of my townreads sort you for me. But I do admit that some of the stuff you've done looks a but sketchy.In post 3270, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:You say you have no idea how to read me. Are you implying that you don't attempt to read players that you haven't played with? Because even you don't have a meta baseline, I think it is possible to evaluate a player's behavior in game.I bloom in spring?
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Bert Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
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I'd do it in a heartbeat, because I'm familiar with Nacho and I don't like anything about his play so far.In post 3270, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Bert, what do you think about lynching Casso instead?-
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Bert Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
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I was voting them and then I saw stuff like this:
Falcon you don't have the reputation that Casso's heads have (yet), so... or at least DOMO doesn't know you probably, hence the "dream mislynch" commentIn post 2619, DOMO wrote:I've got so much to catch up on. I dunno if I'm gonna really have any time until after christmas, this site malarky has really made it tough to keep involved. I feel like I'm voting blind. Can some tl;dr a case on casso? That's nacho and thor, right?I'm not so sure I want to be killing off two strong players so early unless the case is compelling.This would be a dream mislynch for scum if they're town.
that's why DOMO felt so weird initially, posts like this
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