NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[PeregrineV]

Hey guys! Replacing DLG. Guess I'll go read 80 pages.

Unvote.

[PeregrineV]

Welcome PV

Thanks!

Great. A lurker!!!

v/la till Thursday

<<< Noted.
Also, double post deleted. >>>

Where?

[PeregrineV]

@Nacho- Looks like you are the current lynch candidate. Can you tell me why while I go back and read?

[PeregrineV]

Finished page 10. I hope to hell we didn't massclaim.

All my evidence points to massclaim day1=scum win.

[PeregrineV]

After you're done reading, you tell me.

I will when I get to that part, but I think you would have a vested interest in understanding your wagon.

[PeregrineV]

Ok what is eta?

I keep thinking Estimated Time of Arrival, but pretty sure it don't mean that.

[PeregrineV]

I will when I get to that part, but I think you would have a vested interest in understanding your wagon.

I'm actually pretty interested in hearing how you interpret my wagon. I've talked about my wagon enough in previous posts that it's sort of a waste to do it again, but I'm interested in what conclusions you reach about it.

How I interpret it is less important than how you do. If you are lynched and town, we have honest info. If you are not town, we have info.

It also let's me achieve dual interest in the thread, both back and front.

[PeregrineV]

If I read correctly, that's L-1. Anybody who quickhammers is tomorrow's lynch. No exception.

Thread is already 97 pages long. Long game days are bad for the town. AND you're voting for OS so you believe he's scum...but you'd be upset with a hammer?

I INTEND TO HAMMER

So last chance to say anything.

Too slow.

Vote: Oversoul

[PeregrineV]

Based on the 15 pages since Friday, there must not have been a night.

I'll read these today.

[PeregrineV]

26 minutes to Oversoul lynch. Did he claim anything?

[PeregrineV]

NM found it.

[PeregrineV]

Looking through his ISO quickly going to say he'll probably flip town. If I read right he fakeclaimed Informed Townie, but I saw some walls where he analyzed responses.

[PeregrineV]

Glance at Desperado ISO=me thinking he's town.

[PeregrineV]

I thought I saw something too, but Oversoul is refusing to engage with me. I'm still fine with the lynch, because if Oversoul is town, he would be utterly useless and end up being dead weight, since he couldn't be NK. Not someone you want going too far into the game.

Couldn't be stopped now anyway. We'll just have to see what night brings.

[PeregrineV]

Monday post. No catching up during the night, so it will have to be this week.

[PeregrineV]

New day- new fun. Night reads made me want to look for Eddie+bluescum connections, but I guess not.

If I were to do some selected readings, anyone have recommendations?

[PeregrineV]

Bacde, STOP Spamming please...
Cephrir, how is Haylen is bluescum? any support reads?

It's not spamming to post multiple times. It's spamming to eat a burrito in one post and then burp in the next 5.

[PeregrineV]

But Haylen is the bluescum

Anyway I'm gonna look for connections to thezmon at some point but a cursory glance wasn't *incredibly* revealing.

IIRC, Haylen was mentioned/not mentioned by both bluescum. I'll go look over it again with my notes.

[PeregrineV]

This is from 2325 (a day1 vote count):

Vote History (courtesy of mastin):

EddieFenix

: BeautyAndTheBeast->Bulbazak->Nachomamma8->Unvote
Bulbazak: Oversoul->Om the Destroyer->

Red Ryu

->Bacde->Desperado

Thor665

:

Red Ryu

->BeautyAndTheBeast->

Red Ryu

<<< Someone actually used my votecount history?
...Someone actually used my votecount history!

<3 >>>

[PeregrineV]

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D2

thezmon221: thezmon221

CrashTextDummie: Slandaar->Cephrir->thezmon221->Cephrir
Cephrir: Haylen->

thezmon221

Nachomamma8: Amethyst Kitty->

thezmon221

PeregrineV:
Nero Cain: Haylen->

thezmon221

Bacde: Nachomamma8->

thezmon221

EddieFenix

:

thezmon221

Bulbazak: Bacde->Unvote
Thor665: Haylen->Amethyst Kitty
Desperado:

thezmon221

penguin_alien: Haylen
Slandaar:

Thor665

->Cephrir->

Thor665

->

thezmon221

Seanald: Cephrir->

thezmon221

ThAdmiral:

thezmon221

Haylen: Bacde
Kublai Khan:

thezmon221

Amethyst Kitty:

EddieFenix

->Unvote->Cephrir->

thezmon221

->Unvote
ffullisade:

Thor665

->

thezmon221

->Unvote
Om the Destroyer: Haylen
ArcAngel9: Desperado

As for bussing, I'd listen to arguements that bluescum went straight to bussing, and arguements that bluescum tried other wagons first, and arguments that bluescum avoided bussing.

[PeregrineV]

This is from 2325 (a day1 vote count):

Vote History (courtesy of mastin):

EddieFenix

: BeautyAndTheBeast->Bulbazak->Nachomamma8->Unvote
Bulbazak: Oversoul->Om the Destroyer->

Red Ryu

->Bacde->Desperado

Thor665

:

Red Ryu

->BeautyAndTheBeast->

Red Ryu

<<< Someone actually used my votecount history?
...Someone actually used my votecount history!

<3 >>>

You knew it was coming, it was only a matter of time. (speaking of time, if you have it, you can edit the votecount history into the votecounts missing them.
You know, for completeness sake. )

<<< This is a later moderator edit, declaring that the above should be done. To my knowledge, the entirety of the game has been covered with votecounts. If this is not true, inform me. >>>

[PeregrineV]

Didn't see that before, but re:3229, yes, I'm ThAd's neighbor. He's town.

[PeregrineV]

Didn't see that before, but re:3229, yes, I'm ThAd's neighbor. He's town.

Something in your QT that we don't know about?

Yeah. The people we replaced had pretty much confirmed it before we even got there. I agree with them, so here we are.

[PeregrineV]

You're going to have to be more specific. DLG and ActionDan had confirmed themselves as town before the game had even started?

Yes. But they discuss other players, so maybe confirmations were done in thread pre-game?

[PeregrineV]

I'd like Peregrine and Thad to elaborate about their neighborhood QT because as it stands now, wtf is that shit?

Curious. What elaboration would you like?

We're not quoting the thing, so what exactly are you requesting?

[PeregrineV]

Yes. But they discuss other players, so maybe confirmations were done in thread pre-game?

Please go on.

???- go on how?

[PeregrineV]

Buddy analysis, part I: thez posts

SCUM:
Haylen
ThAdmiral
Om the Destroyer
Desperado
Cephrir
Amethyst Kitty

At this point thez is pretty clearly going down. penguin_alien has disappeared compared to the original scumlist for no discernible reason. Desp, AK and myself have appeared on it, also for little discernible reason.

I'd like you to elaborate on this. If Thez was "going down", then what would be the point of his "list"?
You only indicated it, so I assume you see relevance to it, and I'd like to understand what you see in it.
Is he indicating his choices for red scum, or merely trying to list townies and create WIFOM? Do you think he included bluescum on his scum list?

[PeregrineV]

And I know there's more questions to me, so will get to those later. Going to play magic now.

[PeregrineV]

Kind of 10 pages back, but will work on this later today/tonight.

[PeregrineV]

I don't understand how a QT that includes ActionDan, lurker extraordinaire, could possibly have convinced you of anything. Like, can you give me a general idea of what makes you view ThAd as basically confirmed?

QT meta, ActionDan had 10 of the first 15 posts. Suffice to say the interaction and the responses, while not what I would have made, give a strong enough indication of town that I'll say it in the thread- ThAd is town.

Convince me you aren't one blue and one red who figured out they were both scum and decided to work together, because that's what it sounds like if you won't clarify.

Although not relevant in this game, this sentence fascinates me. Where have you ever seen this occur?

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine...you claim that DLG and actiondan confirmed themselves as town before day one started. You are more than capable of paraphrasing how they came to this conclusion. Or maybe you could even offer a hypothetical scenario where this would be possible. Because I'm drawing a blank.

After ActionDan propositioned DLG and DLG, weeping, stated how that love must remain unrequited, they decided that even though there love was never meant to be, at least they shared a win condition. And dammit, that was good enough for them.
Then, I came in, and not to be an ass, I decided that I too, loved Hanzo the mute. Hanzo the mute said nothing, but ThAd came and promised not to screw me over like last time. And dammit, that was good enough for us.
We also chatted somewhat, but let's be honest, we both replaced in 100+ pages, so current events are way more relevant to us at this point.

[PeregrineV]

Are you suspicious of your partner? Do you know why his claiming is so awkward?

Not really.
I read it and it didn't seem awkward. Just the normal reluctance to claiming, one that I certainly share.

[PeregrineV]

I think Rena is probably town Watcher, and will until evidence provides otherwise.
I think her n1 target was Om, based on 3540. If not, she can clear that up when she gets back.

[PeregrineV]

Since LOL Mafia just finished, and it featured a scumteam of Cephrir and Nachomamma, I would like to hear a detailed analysis by each of them on the other person, especially comparing their play here to their scum play in LoL.

[PeregrineV]

All work no play today, but will come back tonight.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Nacho

Why are you totally ignoring my request?

[PeregrineV]

I think the purple cat is town.

[PeregrineV]

I'd rather lynch nacho tbh

Kublai is weird but probably town

I was surprised by him voting me today, but I think he will realize that his case on me was just not true

It actually surprised me too. The case was well-presented (always a plus in my book) but the premise of it wasn't very strong, given the level of push it received.

However, last time I thought Khan was total scum he wasn't, so I'll probably need to do a solid read of his posts.

[PeregrineV]

I'm up for following Slandaar's case on the PV slot. It's pretty suspect to me that in his four posts since his neighbor claimed vig he's not at all interested in addressing the claim.

VOTE: PeregrineV

You would like me to address ThAd's vig claim?
OK

I'm ThAd's neighbor. He's town.

[PeregrineV]

Aside from my snide post above, it does make me want to hear from each neighbor about their opinion of their neighbor. I think we have the pairings and I remember some talk, but would like current updated reads from each.

[PeregrineV]

I didn't. I'm not necessarily completely complying with it, but I didn't ignore it.

Based on 3746, you think Cephrir is town?

Yup. Your read changes in particular that game were opportunistic as hell, whereas here you end up waffling, you express being unsure a LOT more in thread, everything feels more natural here. But if PV wants to hear a "detailed analysis", then he's going to have to actually put some effort into the game.

Because I was looking for something a little more comprehensive, like

tl;dr When Arc is town, she OMGUSes hard because she's used to scum attacking her for so long. She will also pick out people who have been easy targets, people who she feels like she can defend, and she will defend them from a position of authority (since she knows certain people will read her as town and she can hammer the hell out of them if they attack her). She's lighter as town because it's what she excels at, hence the occasional teasing with the people she interacts with. Her stronger, more aggressive posts are the ones she makes from that position of authority; she doesn't have it as scum and that's her strongest meta point.

[PeregrineV]

Everyone I listed in that town block is town for me + Rena if her claim bears out

AK, Thad, Seanald, cephrir, peregrine are scum reads

Hd and slandaar lean town, penguin leans scum, and I'm still working Nero out. Just finished a game with town Nero that was going concurrently so I will probably lean on that.

See, I like the seanald vote.

Vote: Seanald

However, you think your own neighbor is scum, and both me and ThAd are also scum?

And thoguhts about CTD, neighbor to Slandaar?

<<< What's with you people and double-posting? All the same, deleted. >>>

[PeregrineV]

Molllie and I have a few pages to catch up on.

We'll think about the case desperado built on Seanald.

- f

Alternately, if your reading indicates Seanald is town, then you should mention that.
Or, if you find an independent reason why Seanald is scummy, then you could mention that and vote him.
Or, if you find holes or weaknesses in Desparado's case you can point those out.

[PeregrineV]

Khan I take it you agree with my reservations re: the seanald wagon?

Wasn't this a wagon you started and presented a case for?

[PeregrineV]

So you have two roles too? I've seen where a masonship/neighborhood shares a power but I don't think that's a normal mechanic.

How is this revelant, and explain why it's *not* role-fishing.

[PeregrineV]

Khan I take it you agree with my reservations re: the seanald wagon?

Wasn't this a wagon you started and presented a case for?

Yes. Did you miss my other posts about it or what?

Apparently. Did you refute your own case, or did Seanald town-post and you decided he stopped being scum?

[PeregrineV]

Unvote: Seanald

I'm also trying to figure out what it means that Seanald got to L-2 without any of ffullisade, CTD, bacde, Nacho, or Khan joining the wagon.

I guess this was it?

Ninety-Third Votecount: (Twenty-Sixth Votecount of Day Three, AKA, the "Massprod = mass-activity" votecount.)

Seanald - 8 (Desperado, PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, Bubazak, Cephrir, ThAdmiral, Slandaar, penguin_alien)
Nachomamma8 - 2 (Nero Cain, Bacde)
Amethyst Kitty - 2 (Kublai Khan, ffullisade)
Nero Cain - 2 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Human Destroyer)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

Not Voting - 1 (Seanald)

Maybe your could examine your 5 biggest townreads and see, prior to your case, what their stance on Seanald was, and if their actions match now that the opportunity is real.

[PeregrineV]

Day 1

Oversoul

lynch

Syryana

killed

Red Ryu

killed

Mac | thezmon221

:

Red Ryu

| Rena
CrashTextDummie:

Oversoul->DLG

->Nachomamma8
Cephrir:

Oversoul

->ffullisade->Unvote->Rena->Desperado->Haylen->Oversoul
Nachomamma8:

Oversoul

->Desperado->penguin_alien->

Oversoul

PeregrineV

: ArcAngel9 | Unvote
Nero Cain:

Oversoul->EddieFenix->Oversoul

->Nachomamma8->ffullisade->Nachomamma8
Bacde: Nachomamma8->ffullisade->

EddieFenix

->Nachomamma8->Desperado->ArcAngel9->Nachomamma8

EddieFenix

: ffullisade->Bulbazak->Nachomamma8->Unvote
Bulbazak:

Oversoul

->Om the Destroyer->

Red Ryu

->Bacde->Desperado

Thor665:

Red Ryu

->ffullisade->

Red Ryu

Red Ryu:

Nachomamma8->penguin_alien

Syryana

:

Red Ryu

->ArcAngel9->Desperado->penguin_alien->Desperado->

Oversoul

Desperado:

DLG

->Nachomamma8->ArcAngel9->Nachomamma8->

Oversoul

penguin_alien:

Red Ryu-

>Cephrir->Nachomamma8 | Unvote->

Oversoul

Slandaar: Nachomamma8->

Thor665

Oversoul:

Red Ryu

->Nachomamma8->Rena
Seanald: Nachomamma8

ActionDan Hanzo_5 ThAdmiral:

Rena:

Oversoul-

>Cephrir->Bulbazak->Om the Destroyer | Unvote
Kublai Khan: ffullisade->

Red Ryu-

>

Oversoul

->penguin_alien->

Oversoul

Amethyst Kitty: Nachomamma8->Cephrir->Nachomamma8->Unvote->Desperado
ffullisade: Cephrir->Nachomamma8->Unvote->Cephrir->Nachomamma8->Unvote->Cephrir->Nachomamma8->Cephrir->Nachomamma8->Unvote->

Oversoul

->Nachomamma8->Nero Cain->

Oversoul

Om the Destroyer:

Red Ryu

->ffullisade->Bulbazak->Bacde->Bulbazak->Bacde->Nachomamma8->Desperado->penguin_alien
ArcAngel9:

Red Ryu

->Desperado

Mac | thezmon221: Red Ryu

| Rena->

Oversoul

CrashTextDummie:

Oversoul->DLG

->Nachomamma8
Cephrir:

Oversoul

->ffullisade->Unvote->Rena->Desperado->Rena->

Oversoul

Nachomamma8:

Oversoul

->Desperado->penguin_alien->

Oversoul

DLG | PeregrineV

: ArcAngel9 | Unvote->

Oversoul

Nero Cain:

Oversoul->EddieFenix->Oversoul

->Nachomamma8->ffullisade->Nachomamma8->

Oversoul

Bacde: Nachomamma8->ffullisade->

EddieFenix

->Nachomamma8->Desperado->ArcAngel9->Nachomamma8->Nero Cain->Nachomamma8

EddieFenix

: ffullisade->Bulbazak->Nachomamma8->Unvote->

Oversoul

Bulbazak:

Oversoul-

>Om the Destroyer->

Red Ryu

->Bacde->Desperado->

Oversoul

Thor665

:

Red Ryu

->ffullisade->

Red Ryu

Red Ryu

: Nachomamma8->penguin_alien->Nachomamma8->Desperado->

Oversoul

Syryana

:

Red Ryu

->ArcAngel9->Desperado->Baby Spice->Desperado->

Oversoul

Desperado:

DLG

->Nachomamma8->ArcAngel9->Nachomamma8->

Oversoul

penguin_alien:

Red Ryu

->Cephrir->Nachomamma8 | Unvote->

Oversoul

->Unvote
Slandaar: Nachomamma8->

Thor665-

>Desperado

Oversoul

:

Red Ryu

->Nachomamma8->Rena->Nachomamma8->Desperado
Seanald: Nachomamma8

ActionDan Hanzo_5 ThAdmiral

: Desperado
Rena:

Oversoul

->Cephrir->Bulbazak->Om the Desroyer | Unvote->

Oversoul

->Unvote
Kublai Khan: ffullisade->

Red Ryu

->

Oversoul

->penguin_alien->

Oversoul

Amethyst Kitty: Nachomamma8->Cephrir->Nachomamma8->Unvote->Desperado->

EddieFenix

ffullisade: Cephrir->Nachomamma8->Unvote->Cephrir->Nachomamma8->Unvote->Cephrir->Nachomamma8->Cephrir->Nachomamma8->Unvote->

Oversoul

->Nachomamma8->Nero Cain->

Oversoul

->Unvote->Nero Cain->

Oversoul

Om the Destroyer:

Red Ryu

->ffullisade->Bulbazak->Bacde->Bulbazak->Bacde->Nachomamma8->Desperado->penguin_alien->Desperado
ArcAngel9:

Red Ryu

->Desperado

[PeregrineV]

I AM CAUGHT UP

Well, actually, I skipped 5-10 pages somewhere around 30 and 35, but I was able to get back in the loop. Sorry if you're disappointed with that, but I'm tired as hell from both school and reading these last 57 pages.

So, without further ado, here are my reads*:

TOWN:
[ArcAngel, ffulisade, Slandaar,

DLG

, Bulbazak, Amethyst Kitty, Nero Cain, CrashTextDummie,

Red Ryu

, Bacde]

NULL:
[Seanald, Kublai Khan, Desperado,

Syryana

, Nachomomma8, Cephrir]

MAFIA:
[Rena,

Oversoul, EddieFenix, Thor665

, Om The Destroyer, penguin_alien,

ThAd

]

*The order of the players is in no way indicative of the strength of my reads.

So, I'll now elaborate on reads that people want elaboration on, but I'm not going to elaborate on everything purely because there are 24 players I have to read and it's even more work and I'm tired.

Here's some notes from the pad of Thez:
--For the longest time I had Nacho penned as scum, and almost jumped onto his wagon for mainly the whole Oversould fiasco. However, his bout with the reads and wanting to lynch Desperado turned my head and convinced me that he might not be who he says he is. It is notable that every single person on that wagon I have as town

Nachomamma8 - 7 (

Red Ryu

, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty, Slandaar, Desperado, ffulisade)(Desperado is null).

--Bacde is so obviously town right now, so if you think he's scum you should probably quit this game. BatB is pretty town too.
--Baby Spice is strangely very lurky. Also not quite so... worried. For lack of a better word/phrase.

Oh, and I felt I should address this:

@Thezmon

Your reasonless list is nothing but filler. To paraphrase you, you said "Hey im here and im doing stuff, Im not done yet so it looks like im not doing anything".

Im bringing this to light because I see it as fluff and everyone else should too.

I dont know why your fluffy. But I dont care for it. Your life no linger matters to me. Plz fix that.

It's too bad I don't care. Maybe you should try putting something non-fluff yourself instead of calling out other fluff. My post had more content than yours. Your recent posts don't do much justice for you IME either.

Alright, so now I'm going to wrap up this post with this:
VOTE: fuzzy

I don't like your overall mentality with the game at this point. You've been really dodgy this game. I don't find any value in any of your posts. Your reads are safer than OS's information was. Gut read? Really. Develop something. Try. Have AP Exams? Cool story bro, so do I. In fact, I have an exam on Thursday. You don't see me dodging the game and making useless third-party comments.

I feel fuzzy's gone unnoticed, and you should all notice him through my post. Cephrir's confrontation with him was a start. Oh, and I want a reads list from him too.

[PeregrineV]

My thoughts from the vote history:
Red Ryu was either killed because Red Mafia was looking to kill Blue Mafia, or Red Mafia wanted to get rid of a strong townie.
The fact that his wagon got to 6(?) votes at one point means he couldn't have been too townie, so he was probably killed while being scumhunted by Red Mafia.

Since I think that rather than waste thier kill on the Blue mafia team if they can help it, Red Mafia would first try, in some way shape or form, to lynch Blue mafia if they can.

This means, common sense-wise, one of the following is

Red Mafia

:
Bulbazak
penguin_alien
Kublai Khan
Human Destroyer
ArcAngel9

[PeregrineV]

Second thoughts from Thez posting + votecount:

Thez enters the thread with vote on teammate Red Ryu.

His "reads" list has the vote leader Nacho as a "null" read, and Nacho's wagon 90% "town", so then proceeds to move his vote to Rena, for their "mentality".

Part of my brain says if Nacho were town (or not-Blue-Mafia), then why not increase that wagon at that point? Voting someone for being null, especially when they are the lead wagon and it's full of your "town" reads is acceptable. The fact he did not take advantage of a "strong town" wagon on Nacho makes me suspect Nacho more.

[PeregrineV]

And PV, whats wrong with you? Why are you calling me "Red Mafia"?

I'm not, yet.

I'm thinking that at least one red mafia tried to lynch Red Ryu before they decided that night to shoot him.

You voted him day1, and are still alive, so are on the list for now.

[PeregrineV]

My thoughts from the vote history:
Red Ryu was either killed because Red Mafia was looking to kill Blue Mafia, or Red Mafia wanted to get rid of a strong townie.
The fact that his wagon got to 6(?) votes at one point means he couldn't have been too townie, so he was probably killed while being scumhunted by Red Mafia.

Since I think that rather than waste thier kill on the Blue mafia team if they can help it, Red Mafia would first try, in some way shape or form, to lynch Blue mafia if they can.

This means, common sense-wise, one of the following is

Red Mafia

:
Bulbazak
penguin_alien
Kublai Khan
Human Destroyer
ArcAngel9

Why these 5?

Red Ryu was either killed because

Red Mafia

was looking to kill

Blue Mafia

, or

Red Mafia

wanted to get rid of a strong townie.
The fact that his wagon got to 6(?) votes at one point means he couldn't have been too townie, so he was probably killed while being scumhunted by

Red Mafia

.

Since I think that rather than waste thier kill on the

Blue mafia

team if they can help it,

Red Mafia

would first try, in some way shape or form, to lynch

Blue mafia

if they can.

Those 5 are 1) alive and 2) voted Red Ryu day1.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, I still don't understand how ActionDan and DLG had such a conversation pre-game that was so convincing that Thad is now so town that you're coloring him in as Green. He's the only person (other than yourself) who isn't dead to get that distinction.

Can you talk about this some more?

Sure.

In the QT, after ActionDan determined DLG was town, ActionDan claimed the vig. Scum-AD would obviously be found out when his kill failed to go through. But, for whatever reason (activity most likely), AD never shot.

Good and well. I would have recommended a target but I didn't feel comfortable enough with the game having just replaced in, so just used it for game notes.

ThAd replaced in and revealed previously hidden information that scum would have no reason to do. Plus, he still has the vig shot that confirms he's the vig. So, taken all together, even though I'm not very good at mafia, I concluded that ThAd is very likely town, almost to the 99% chance.

[PeregrineV]

@ArcAngel- I have you as probably town based on play, but I want to have the reasoning presented fully so others may be able to use it.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, I still don't understand how ActionDan and DLG had such a conversation pre-game that was so convincing that Thad is now so town that you're coloring him in as Green. He's the only person (other than yourself) who isn't dead to get that distinction.

Can you talk about this some more?

Sure.

In the QT, after ActionDan determined DLG was town, ActionDan claimed the vig. Scum-AD would obviously be found out when his kill failed to go through. But, for whatever reason (activity most likely), AD never shot.

Good and well. I would have recommended a target but I didn't feel comfortable enough with the game having just replaced in, so just used it for game notes.

ThAd replaced in and revealed previously hidden information that scum would have no reason to do. Plus, he still has the vig shot that confirms he's the vig. So, taken all together, even though I'm not very good at mafia, I concluded that ThAd is very likely town, almost to the 99% chance.

I don't understand your first two paragraphs. AD never shot because he got replaced by Hanzo D1, who later got replaced by Thad D1. Thad is the only person in the slot who has had an opportunity to use a vig shot, and according to him, he hasn't shot both nights. Even though both of you had replaced in on D1 and had a full day of game presence for N2.

I replaced into an 80 page game. ThAd into an 85 page game. No reason to shoot blind, we both needed to read.

So I get that he didn't shoot N1, whatever. But why not N2?

Night2 lasted 16 pages in 6 real days that started on Friday. Still not having caught up, I saw no reason to shoot. ThAd didn't seem caught up, so decided not to shoot.

What information did he reveal that was previously hidden?

The X in X-shot.

[PeregrineV]

CTD/Slandaar. Why have ya'll yet to summarize ya'lls qt?

<<< Double-post deleted. >>>

Please answer this.

Don't see the point.

Pretty sure I had to answer, explain, and then explain some more about our QT. And it's about shit I didn't even write.

Why can't you be assed to do yours?

[PeregrineV]

and out of this you somehow don't think Ceph can be in there? considering all his day 2 actions?

This was all from day1 information. Day2 will be next, as soon as I have time to do it.

Until then, what about day2 Cephrir actions scream scum to you?

[PeregrineV]

So anyone who assumes a 3-person scum teams is town, but assuming a 4-person scum team is scum. Because typical multiball theory is two 3-person scum teams, yes?

Standard setup spec would assume 6 scum in a 24 player setup, and in the event of multiball, even scum teams.

What other evidence is there that Slandaar is scum?

I haven't liked some of his pushes, and he isn't scumhunting to the degree I'd expect. He's putting out an occasional case, yes, but they tend to be weak and he doesn't push them very hard. I get the sense that he's a better scumhunter than he is displaying in this game. It's almost like he's putting in enough effort for it to look like he's scumhunting at a glance, but for the most part he's trying to stay out of the town's eye.

No, 24 player games can be 5, 6, 3 and 3 or 4 and 4. Not sure I caught it all, but Slandaar knows this.

3 and 3 : http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=26483
4 and 4: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=24478

[PeregrineV]

I think you are missing the point.

If Ryu was that obvious he would have been lynched.

So, why do you think every redscum would think Ryu was scum?

My thoughts from the vote history:
Red Ryu was either killed because Red Mafia was looking to kill Blue Mafia, or Red Mafia wanted to get rid of a strong townie.
The fact that his wagon got to 6(?) votes at one point means he couldn't have been too townie, so he was probably killed while being scumhunted by Red Mafia.

If not Seanald, then Slandaar.

Vote: Slandaar

Guess I better go check if he answered my neighbor question back somewhere.

[PeregrineV]

Ones I'm going to go out on a limb and call town:
18. ArcAngel9
6. Bacde (roflcopter)
7. Bulbazak - I thought this was the Bulb hydra. I'll have to look him opver again.
8. Desperado
12. ThAdmiral (ActionDan, Hanzo_5)
13. Rena(/Haylen) (fuzzybutternut)
15. Amethyst Kitty [hydra]

Probably town:
5. Nero Cain
9. penguin_alien (Baby Spice)
2. Cephrir

Null: Kiss my ass. This is 185 page game- there are no nulls at this point.

<<< I admit it, I lol'd. >>>

Slight suspicions on:
14. Kublai Khan (Rondar)
16. ffullisade [hydra]
17. Human Destroyer (Om the Destroyer [hydra])
1. CrashTextDummie

Strongly leaning scum:
10. Slandaar
11. Seanald
3. Nachomamma8

[PeregrineV]

@Nacho-

[PeregrineV]

Hey, Hey

Peregrine

wanna follow me onto Khan?

also, why is Nacho Scum?

Nacho is potential scum from the day1 vote/flip of Red Ryu.
He's scummy for calling me useless all game, but simultaneously being actually useless himself.
Except when he takes the time to make a case on me by quoting me posts and making snide remarks about them. It's like he finally read the thread, and decided he didn't like being called out as scum.
Fourthly, should his plan go through to lynch me, he will then immediately focus on ThAd, who was his original target since 3405.
Or, I'm just plain wrong and misreading a bunch of crap. Currently a 50/50 chance.

Khan's more of a gut thing, so probably not today. It's mostly like his play has been underwhelming, and he likes to make cases on people I think are glaringly town.

[PeregrineV]

I'm defending Slandaar?

No, Slandaar is ignoring you and me regarding his neighbor, CTD. CTD, meanwhile, is attacking anyone who is suspecting Slandaar. I think if Slandaar gets lynched and flips town, CTD will more likely be scum. Or, scum-Slandaar doesn't want to give this thoughts on town-CTD because.........................................why?

I also like the concept of a killer per neighborhood. I guess there could be 6 town neighbors in a 24 player game, but does anyone believe that?

Or there could be three neighborhoods that only one scumteam has access to. So who got it, Red or Blue? Methinks both.

Not doing Nero or Bulba today.

[PeregrineV]

I also like the concept of a killer per neighborhood. I guess there could be 6 town neighbors in a 24 player game, but does anyone believe that?

no. I used to auto town read neighbors 'cause I was in so many games where the neighbors would read each other as scum that mods probs started doing town-town neighborhoods just to fuck with town.

What you are suggesting is that 3 of the 6 neighbors are scum which...just holy chain lynching batman. I deff think that all 6 neighbors aren't town. I also think its a good possibility that 1 hood could contain more than 1 scum.

Actually, I think ThAd is the vig, and there is a red scum in another neighborhood and a blue scum in another neighborhood.

[PeregrineV]

Here is my wagon broken down

PV: I am voting Slandar because he has caught me.
Bulbazak: I am voting Slandaar because lol 4 scum. I make lots of assumptions too that make no sense but 4 scum? die.
Rena: Gotta save my buddy Bulbazak! Hope noone looks into my reasoning though! Also Slandaar has caught me.
AK: Well Gotta get rid of Slandaar he caught 2 of my buddies and Me!

Sums up things adequately.

So people start to see you as scummy, and your first reaction is to call everyone on your wagon scum?

Uh good try but I had them all as scum long ago you can see it in my reads post but go further back shall we?

I made a case on PV today
I voted AK with a case today
I want to lynch obvscum Rena

And then there is you who has been in my scumlist all game.

Don't you find that even remotely suspicious?

Vote Rena

You should probbly claim also.

It's the (lack of) quality of your cases. You never made a case on me, you made one on DLG after I replaced into the slot. And it's a bad one.
You made an AK case, but it was of such little consequence I can't remember a thing about it.
You want to lynch a claimed PR when there are 2 scumteams who would also want her out of the way.

And you've not answered about CTD:

@Slandaar- Based on your QT interactions to date, what is your read on CrashTextDummie. Based on thread-only posting, what is your read on CTD?
Briefly paraphrase the contents of your QT.

[PeregrineV]

The fact that neither of these are reaching full majority bugs me.

@Mastin- I hate deadline lynches. Just so you know.

<<< Would you rather have a failure to reach majority result in a no-lynch today? How 'bout day one? This game's long enough as it is already, no-lynching would make it go on for even longer. Plus...If you couldn't tell...I hate deadline no-lynches, just so you know. >>>

@Slandaar-I searched your Iso for "Crash" and "CTD" and QT, just to see if you mentioned anything regarding it.
You didn't, except to say Crash is town a few times.

Since I don't know why you feel this way, it's either real, or artificial.

Since your cases on other players seem artificial, this townread is looking the same way too. How is it not "worth" your time to explain why your neighbor is town?

Requesting ThAd, ArcAngel, Bacde or Desp moves their vote to Slandaar.

[PeregrineV]

oh hell no

You can vote Slandaar too, you know. Voting to lynch the claimed town PR doesn't strike me as the best use of your vote resource.

[PeregrineV]

Just back, will get back to this later.

[PeregrineV]

Was less than pleased with QT last night. Bulba was not my first choice for a bullet.

But, we are now divining the setup to be 2 scumteams, each with a roleblocker, that each managed to block a PR without doubling up on either?

I think that's stretching it somewhat.

Vote: Nachomamma

[PeregrineV]

FFS

someone give me someone to sheep who isn't Nacho or Bulb or Nero or Ffery/mollie or Bacde

Mala is out of commission for a while so...

where did I lead you astray?

you pushed on a retarded case

that I actually seriously considered

and you have nothing to say except you....don't trust mine or fery's reads?

@ bulba

so you have nacho as town cos you.....said he was scum if you got lynched and then he came in and saved you? lol

I cannot decide who I want to lynch moar, ak or bulba

and I am very unhappy with nacho

Vote?
FoS?
?

[PeregrineV]

The fact that neither of these are reaching full majority bugs me.

@Mastin- I hate deadline lynches. Just so you know.

<<< Would you rather have a failure to reach majority result in a no-lynch today? How 'bout day one? This game's long enough as it is already, no-lynching would make it go on for even longer. Plus...If you couldn't tell...I hate deadline no-lynches, just so you know. >>>

@Slandaar-I searched your Iso for "Crash" and "CTD" and QT, just to see if you mentioned anything regarding it.
You didn't, except to say Crash is town a few times.

Since I don't know why you feel this way, it's either real, or artificial.

Since your cases on other players seem artificial, this townread is looking the same way too. How is it not "worth" your time to explain why your neighbor is town?

Requesting ThAd, ArcAngel, Bacde or Desp moves their vote to Slandaar.

Hey Peregrine why were you working so hard to herd votes onto Slandaar yesterday?

- f

Because of the two, would rather Slandaar be lynched over Bulba.

[PeregrineV]

Was less than pleased with QT last night. Bulba was not my first choice for a bullet.

But, we are now divining the setup to be 2 scumteams, each with a roleblocker, that each managed to block a PR without doubling up on either?

I think that's stretching it somewhat.

Vote: Nachomamma

ThAd, possible suggestion for next time you take a shot.

Don't discuss your target on the QT.

I have a bad feeling about Perigrine.

- f

Tell me more about this. Why shouldn't he discuss his target in the QT?

[PeregrineV]

There's also that pusedo-vig Thad wanted to shoot Bulb and told PV in the qt (right?) and then was blocked

Thad, did PV ask you who you wanted to shoot?

He mentioned three names after I gave my thoughts on everyone.

I asked for elaboration on the three, the my post was the last for the night.

[PeregrineV]

Stupid gateway error.

@Mastin, please delete double post above.

<<< Technically, it wasn't a double-post, since ThAdmiral posted in-between one and the other. All the same, the duplicate post was deleted. >>>

[PeregrineV]

@ Cephrir & Bulba-

Why did I vote Nacho?

Well,
4843
4844
He's got a point.

4632
Nacho quoting Nacho as the reason to tunnel me.

4782
Voting for a town read in a game that does not require a majority lynch.

(lots of posts)
Buddying ffulisade

Everchanging and confusing reads (spoiled below):

Spoiler: Senald scum/not scum, Bulba not scum but 4806

you know that i would not call somene town unless my gut hardly says.. Nero is town. and If feel you're town. So, Now stop pissing each other..

Unvote, Vote: Seanald

And also i want to know what your thoughts on Cephier.

Cephrir's probably town.

let's look at cephrir. does anybody seriously believe that cephrir has no idea what to do with thad's "trolling". omg, no. I mean that is what cephrir is saying, "I have no idea what to do about thad's trolling cos I have just never encountered it before!". oh plz.

I've learned that trolling can apparently throw people off in extremely weird ways.

bacde, you freak me out because dragonballz.

- f

this essentially is dragonballz
and sooner or later everything will just click and a bunch of scum will die and everything will be okay.

Fery makes me sad on so many levels. Like SUPER SAD. ~~~Actually I said this to Mara after the Donner Party game ended. There was something similar that was said here to something said there. Bulb had a total different reaction to it here which made me lean town on him mainly because he was SK in DP.

I don't get it.

- f

they're town.

The only argument I've seen in Nero's defense is that his play here reminds people of other town games of his. I find this to be a very unreliable use of meta, because it assumes that Nero-scum is incapable of emulating his town play.

I trust mollie's (and AA's, believe it or not) instincts when dealing with Nero. Sometimes he plays great, sometimes he plays incredibly scummily, self-destructs, etc.

My problem with your Nero case lately is that we still don't even know it's multiball. If it isn't, your entire case goes up in flames. I think my Seanald case is stronger than your Nero case, straight up.

two kills per night --> claimed vig who hasn't shot --> "blue" scum all sort of equals multiball
if ThAd gets counterclaimed by bullets and flips blue scum, then maybe it's not multiball but that's looking HIGHLY unlikely at this point.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

ffery, I read this game and I don't think Seanald is scum here.
Do you agree or am I reading too much into his approach?

BULBAZAK HAS BEEN TOWN FOR THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME

FFERY MOLLIE IS CALLING BULBAZAK TOWN
FIX IT

Lack of scumreads even though 4-6 scum left (depending on your setup belief).

[PeregrineV]

consensus achieved.

VOTE: PeregrineV

Nacho, I am holding you to this.

Ffery, I would like to seriously connect. I don't think we've made an effort lately but it sort of needs to be done.

Well, you had no problem calling my case on the dead town player crap. I guess your ISO will show similar disdain for all of the other cases on Slandaar. Otherwise, this looks very opportunistic, considering Nacho has no case on me besides "Useless", and you failed to comment on my case on Nacho.

Well, if ffull isn't going to vote Rena today and we're letting Seanald slip through our fingers yet again, I guess that'll do.

VOTE: Peregrine

If we never lynch either of those clowns I'm going to be mad at all of you.

Way too early in the day to jump on a wagon just to to be on one. You would have been smarter getting on later in the day. Or at least try to give a fake reason for voting me.

That might be the first genuine thing I've seen you say all game.

Unvote: Amethyst
Vote: Peregrine

Ah Desp. Bad vote, man.

[PeregrineV]

At least I can take solace in the fact that it wasn't as bad as your nacho case.

Ahh, dem's fighting words.

Tear my case apart. Show me I'm wrong. Just saying it's bad doesn't really tell me or anyone else anything, now does it?

[PeregrineV]

@ Cephrir & Bulba-

Why did I vote Nacho?

Well,
4843
4844
He's got a point.

4632
Nacho quoting Nacho as the reason to tunnel me.

4782
Voting for a town read in a game that does not require a majority lynch.

(lots of posts)
Buddying ffulisade

Everchanging and confusing reads (spoiled below):

Spoiler: Senald scum/not scum, Bulba not scum but 4806

you know that i would not call somene town unless my gut hardly says.. Nero is town. and If feel you're town. So, Now stop pissing each other..

Unvote, Vote: Seanald

And also i want to know what your thoughts on Cephier.

Cephrir's probably town.

let's look at cephrir. does anybody seriously believe that cephrir has no idea what to do with thad's "trolling". omg, no. I mean that is what cephrir is saying, "I have no idea what to do about thad's trolling cos I have just never encountered it before!". oh plz.

I've learned that trolling can apparently throw people off in extremely weird ways.

bacde, you freak me out because dragonballz.

- f

this essentially is dragonballz
and sooner or later everything will just click and a bunch of scum will die and everything will be okay.

Fery makes me sad on so many levels. Like SUPER SAD. ~~~Actually I said this to Mara after the Donner Party game ended. There was something similar that was said here to something said there. Bulb had a total different reaction to it here which made me lean town on him mainly because he was SK in DP.

I don't get it.

- f

they're town.

The only argument I've seen in Nero's defense is that his play here reminds people of other town games of his. I find this to be a very unreliable use of meta, because it assumes that Nero-scum is incapable of emulating his town play.

I trust mollie's (and AA's, believe it or not) instincts when dealing with Nero. Sometimes he plays great, sometimes he plays incredibly scummily, self-destructs, etc.

My problem with your Nero case lately is that we still don't even know it's multiball. If it isn't, your entire case goes up in flames. I think my Seanald case is stronger than your Nero case, straight up.

two kills per night --> claimed vig who hasn't shot --> "blue" scum all sort of equals multiball
if ThAd gets counterclaimed by bullets and flips blue scum, then maybe it's not multiball but that's looking HIGHLY unlikely at this point.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

ffery, I read this game and I don't think Seanald is scum here.
Do you agree or am I reading too much into his approach?

BULBAZAK HAS BEEN TOWN FOR THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME

FFERY MOLLIE IS CALLING BULBAZAK TOWN
FIX IT

Lack of scumreads even though 4-6 scum left (depending on your setup belief).

This case sucks.

- Bacde didn't have a point. His argument was "I've caught more scum than Nacho this game, so you should reconsider your townread on him (because that makes him scum)."

His point was that he has led the push hard on thez. He saw something that I didn't see, and thez flipped scum. So if he's seeing it again, then he's right, listen to him.

- Nacho quoted Nacho because you called him useless, so he posted what he felt were his most non-useless posts...with the obvious implication that they far outweigh what you might hypothetically include in a "Peregrine's Best Hits" style post.

Well, net result is if that was his best posting to prove I'm scum, I'm totally not convinced.

- Where did Nacho have Slandaar as a townread? I see him showing suspicion as early as 1852, and he voted him in 3585 as well. Also...weren't you actively requesting people to vote Slandaar?

I feel better about Slandaar now.

This doesn't mean we should focus on the neighbor group.

what is with this town and its shit wagons

Those wagons being Slandaar and Bulba.
I was asking these people.

Requesting

ThAd, ArcAngel, Bacde or Desp

moves their vote to Slandaar.

- What is your read on ffullisade and what specifically is scummy about Nacho's buddying?

I have a very slight town read on the slot, but ThAd had mentioned it as a vig target in previous nights, so maybe he's seeing something I'm not.
And Nacho saying he wants to connect (which I read as "detrmine whether they are town or scum") but buddying before that connection happens seems scummy.

- "Ever-changing" Seanald read: He applied pressure, did meta research, and changed his mind. What's scummy?

My meta research found the opposite.

- "Ever-changing" Bulb read: Blatant misrep, on a typo no less! You can't be serious. Both posts in succession:

My bad here. One word posts are usually spam so I tend to skip them.

[PeregrineV]

Otherwise, this looks very opportunistic, considering Nacho has no case on me besides "Useless", and you failed to comment on my case on Nacho.

Also this is a lie. Nacho hasn't cased you for being useless. You're the one who accused HIM of being useless.

New day- new fun. Night reads made me want to look for Eddie+bluescum connections, but I guess not.

If I were to do some selected readings, anyone have recommendations?

oh cool more useless crap

Alternately, if your reading indicates Seanald is town, then you should mention that.
Or, if you find an independent reason why Seanald is scummy, then you could mention that and vote him.
Or, if you find holes or weaknesses in Desparado's case you can point those out.

Oh, you're town catching up and looking at Desperado's case? If you find an independent reason why Seanald is town or scum, you can tell us! If you find something wrong with the case, let us know!

AKA this is actually the most useless post in this game and is the picture of active lurking

My thoughts from the vote history:

Red Ryu was either killed because Red Mafia was looking to kill Blue Mafia, or Red Mafia wanted to get rid of a strong townie.

The fact that his wagon got to 6(?) votes at one point means he couldn't have been too townie, so he was probably killed while being scumhunted by Red Mafia.

Since I think that rather than waste thier kill on the Blue mafia team if they can help it, Red Mafia would first try, in some way shape or form, to lynch Blue mafia if they can.

More useless shit based on a false dichotomy.

[PeregrineV]

Well, you had no problem calling my case on the dead town player crap. I guess your ISO will show similar disdain for all of the other cases on Slandaar. Otherwise, this looks very opportunistic, considering Nacho has no case on me besides "Useless", and you failed to comment on my case on Nacho.

There are cases and cases. Yours was hurried-looking shoot from the hip crap, which is not necessarily alignment indicative imo. What pings most about you are the vibes about your QT convo with ThAd re the vig kill and the subsequent night results. That and and growing uneasiness regarding your peripheral involvement in the thread since I joined the game.

The supersaturated solution crystallized.

If my vote is opportunistic, what are the subsequent votes?

- f

My bad. I see you say one thing...

@ bulba

so you have nacho as town cos you.....said he was scum if you got lynched and then he came in and saved you? lol

I cannot decide who I want to lynch moar, ak or bulba

and I am very unhappy with nacho

And do another.

VOTE: PeregrineV

But, it's not scummy because

reasons

.

And what about my QT convo gives you bad vibes?

[PeregrineV]

Go ahead and enlighten us then.

Look at Marketplace Mafia 2. Look at Politics Mafia. Both are large themes.

[PeregrineV]

4888 is Mollie. 4960 is me, as are the posts addressed to you from my question about your herding votes to the slandaar wagon.

Herding votes. Nice.
How many votes were a direct result of my "herding"?
What does this tell you about my alignment in relation to Bulba?

You don't have ThAd's trust. That came through in his posts. He has more basis for reading your alignment than anyone else in the game. At least one of these neighborhoods should have a scum component. I think this is one and I think you are the scum.

Which post indicates ThAd thinks I am not town.
If that's the case, why would he not shoot me?

[PeregrineV]

His point was that he has led the push hard on thez. He saw something that I didn't see, and thez flipped scum. So if he's seeing it again, then he's right, listen to him.

No. His point was that if he's caught more scum than Nacho that probably means Nacho is scum, and that Bulb should consider that information and reevalute his townread on Nacho. And he wasn't the only one who saw Thezscum.

In post 4952, Desperado wrote:
- Nacho quoted Nacho because you called him useless, so he posted what he felt were his most non-useless posts...with the obvious implication that they far outweigh what you might hypothetically include in a "Peregrine's Best Hits" style post.

Well, net result is if that was his best posting to prove I'm scum, I'm totally not convinced.

Guess it's a good thing that wasn't what he was doing? You called him useless and he quoted himself being decidedly not-useless. It had nothing to do with proving you are scum (other than the fact that you levied a poorly thought out accusation).

In post 4952, Desperado wrote:
- Where did Nacho have Slandaar as a townread? I see him showing suspicion as early as 1852, and he voted him in 3585 as well. Also...weren't you actively requesting people to vote Slandaar?
In post 2091, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I feel better about Slandaar now.
In post 4161, Nachomamma8 wrote:
This doesn't mean we should focus on the neighbor group.
In post 4782, Nachomamma8 wrote:
what is with this town and its shit wagons
Those wagons being Slandaar and Bulba.
I was asking these people.
In post 4773, PeregrineV wrote:
Requesting ThAd, ArcAngel, Bacde or Desp moves their vote to Slandaar.

Fair point, although without checking I'm pretty sure Bulb was still the lynch when Nacho changed, and if he felt strongly about Bulbtown I can see a lot of motivation for switching because the plurality wouldn't be in effect.

In post 4952, Desperado wrote:
- What is your read on ffullisade and what specifically is scummy about Nacho's buddying?

I have a very slight town read on the slot, but ThAd had mentioned it as a vig target in previous nights, so maybe he's seeing something I'm not.
And Nacho saying he wants to connect (which I read as "detrmine whether they are town or scum") but buddying before that connection happens seems scummy.

I think when Nacho and Mollie say they want to connect, they've already townread each other.

In post 4952, Desperado wrote:
- "Ever-changing" Seanald read: He applied pressure, did meta research, and changed his mind. What's scummy?
My meta research found the opposite.

Go ahead and enlighten us then.

Summarize then. My case is bad because it's bad, or because Nacho is town?

[PeregrineV]

Nacho is town and your case is bad and, consequently, unconvincing.

Then, in simple terms, why is he town?

[PeregrineV]

He got a town role PM.

Right.

[PeregrineV]

PV, do you still trust ThAd? Do you think he trusts you?

I suppose. It would have been nice to have a full conversation last night, and then have 3 kills instead just 2.

Apparently he doesn't trust me anymore, or he got busy last night, since I spammed the QT and got little in return.

However, if he thinks I'm scum, I'd prefer him to tell me, and then mercy kill me instead of wasting a lynch.

[PeregrineV]

@PereV:

What is he supposed to be looking at in Marketplace Mafia II? I remember playing that vaguely. >.>

Politics was Senald Mason-town.
Martkeplace 2 was Seanald scum.
He was also town in 90s cartoon.

I think his style is distinguishable by alignment, if only by his involvement.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, my original accusation on you was for "active lurking" as I know you have a tendency to do as we discovered in Dark Souls. There's the addition of that hard OMGUS (which is not a scumtell usually, but again, Dark Souls and I know you are a better player than that) where you began to suspect me immediately after I started pushing on you and not a moment before (ThAd's input on when Peregrine started pushing for me to die would be great), but in thread you started suspecting me after I started pushing you, which is pretty much a mirror to that beautiful, wonderful Dark Souls. I don't like you picking up on Bacde's push of me when it suits you because you ignored that COMPLETELY before (seriously, why are you just picking up on this now?), and I think your case on me is shallow as fuck and made more out of a place of necessity as opposed to "oh hey, Nacho is actually scum" based on it being composed of "Nacho has been useless" which is obviously wrong, sheeping off a Bacde case that you ignored before, and then a couple things from my case on you and nothing in the pages and pages I've produced before then.

I don't remember Dark Souls except it had good flavor and cool pictures, and I think I was lynched the 2nd or 3rd day.

When Bcade first mentioned it, I gave it thought, but I still liked the early wagon analysis you did.

Then, absence did not make the heart grow fonder, and frankly I'm more concerned that if you are mafia, you'll be harder to catch end game.

However, Desp's response to my case made me reread you for a third time. Now, I'll grudgingly admit your probably town, but I still don't like the lack of scumreads from you considering the number that has to be left.

And as for my n3 thoughts, this was what I thought:

Strongly leaning scum:
3. Nachomamma8
End-of-day posting looked better, sort of, but would have been nicer had Slandaar flipped scum.
And some of his behavior is unusual. I've never seen him respond with a quote of his own posts.
I can't imagine why it would be town frustration, as we have 2 dead scum by day 3, so is it fake or scum frustration?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Cephrir

But still good with Seanald lynch.

[PeregrineV]

another one of those "everyone" projects, probably.

Good. I'm around.

- f

4985

[PeregrineV]

I don't remember Dark Souls except it had good flavor and cool pictures, and I think I was lynched the 2nd or 3rd day.

You were lynched the 2nd day. First there was a lot of active lurking, then VP called you out, then I stubbornly defended you because you got active and engaged and were attacking VPB, then we lynched you.

Aside from VPB, I'm pretty sure my two scummates were also leading the wagons on me both day1 and day2, iirc.
Big picturewise, at the time I was scum in 6 of my 7 games.

When Bcade first mentioned it, I gave it thought, but I still liked the early wagon analysis you did.

That still doesn't mention why you didn't bring it up before or why the early wagon analysis that I'm not really sure I ever did doesn't matter now.

Nothing to bring up while I was still deciding.
Your scumminess increases or decreases based on your actions and the actions of others (since if I find them more town, then others become more likely to be scum).

However, Desp's response to my case made me reread you for a third time. Now, I'll grudgingly admit your probably town, but I still don't like the lack of scumreads from you considering the number that has to be left.

And now I'm interested in reasons.

What reasons?

[PeregrineV]

What reasons?

Reasons you're reading me as town from your reread.

Suffice to say I'm not going through the effort to make a case why you are town, but some of your reactions to other players don't seem to indicate inside knowledge that I think scum would have.

[PeregrineV]

4888 is Mollie. 4960 is me, as are the posts addressed to you from my question about your herding votes to the slandaar wagon.

Herding votes. Nice.
How many votes were a direct result of my "herding"?

It's not what you accomplished. It's what you attempted, and what it reveals about your motivation.

You mean my directly stated motivation of wanting Slandaar lynched over Bulb?

What does this tell you about my alignment in relation to Bulba?

That's a really interesting question. I wonder how easy it would have been to talk ThAd into targeting Slandaar.

Not sure of the relevance of this statement regarding your vote on me.
Slandaar was dead. I doubt ThaD would shoot him.

You don't have ThAd's trust. That came through in his posts. He has more basis for reading your alignment than anyone else in the game. At least one of these neighborhoods should have a scum component. I think this is one and I think you are the scum.

Which post indicates ThAd thinks I am not town.

The posts that indicate you don't have his trust are the ones where he said he stopped discussing his kill with you on your QT before he settled on his target.

We're neightbors not masons, so I don;t expect discussing of kill targets, but I did expect discussion of reads, and discussion of my choice of kill targets.

If that's the case, why would he not shoot me?

As a vig, on your own, lack of trust may not line up with a strong enough scum read to take a shot at someone.

So he doesn't trust me, but still thinks I'm town?

[PeregrineV]

Nacho, how strong is your PV scumread on a scale of MasterMew to RayFrost?

Ask me after his exchange with ff is finished.

Talk a walk in the future, meanwhile.

Your new reads if:
1)I flip red scum
2)I flip blue scum
3)I flip town

[PeregrineV]

In post 4985, PeregrineV wrote:

In post 4982, ffullisade wrote:
4888 is Mollie. 4960 is me, as are the posts addressed to you from my question about your herding votes to the slandaar wagon.

Herding votes. Nice.
How many votes were a direct result of my "herding"?

It's not what you accomplished. It's what you attempted, and what it reveals about your motivation.

This was explicit motivation stated by multiple people. What makes me more suspect because of it?

[PeregrineV]

What does this tell you about my alignment in relation to Bulba?

That's a really interesting question. I wonder how easy it would have been to talk ThAd into targeting Slandaar.

Not sure of the relevance of this statement regarding your vote on me.

You brought it up. It had nothing to do with our vote on you.

Me: Lynch Slandaar not Bulb.
You: You wanted to lynch Slandaar, you must be scum....
Me: If I'm scum, what does that tell you about Bulb
You: I didn't vote you for not wanting to lynch Bulb, you brought it up.
Me (now): But, if you are voting me for scum, then I am either buddying town-Bulb or protecting scum-Bulb. And since I distinctly wanted a Slandaar lynch instead of a Bulb lynch, and you are now stating that my desire for a Slandaar lynch makes me scum, then you have to have an opinion on Bulb, whose lynch I did NOT want.

[PeregrineV]

This looks like a distinction without a difference, unless I'm missing something.

There is a difference. We could have discussed reads, and in the end I would make the assumption he would shoot a scumread, or even possibly a null read, without him ever saying a word about who he planned to shoot. He could have even thrown in a strong townread, called them scum, just to see my reaction.
So yes, there is a difference.

[PeregrineV]

If that's the case, why would he not shoot me?

As a vig, on your own, lack of trust may not line up with a strong enough scum read to take a shot at someone.

So he doesn't trust me, but still thinks I'm town?

In your universe are reads always binary?

In mafia games with town and mafia, then yes, they usually end up binary.
Trust indicates alignment.

[PeregrineV]

5095

- You could speed it up and tell me which part you think is wrong

5096

- Maybe, maybe not. But, it didn't take place. I gave my full list of players, my positions on them, and why I would want them dead/alive. I got a list of people he was thinking of shooting and a CTD read. I would think that if he thought I was town, we'd talk, and if he thought I was scum he'd bait me/draw out more info/etc.

5097

-

[PeregrineV]

5096

- Maybe, maybe not. But, it didn't take place. I gave my full list of players, my positions on them, and why I would want them dead/alive. I got a list of people he was thinking of shooting and a CTD read. I would think that if he thought I was town, we'd talk, and if he thought I was scum he'd bait me/draw out more info/etc.

I'm not sure I follow this. Are you trying to say something about how you think ThAd perceives you?

5097

-

Indeed. I feel like you're oversimplifying what I'm saying all the way through this discussion, as well as cast nuanced statements into black/white, yes/no terms.

I'm actually trying to figure out how he perceives me, and if he's the vig. If he calls me scum, then I can expect to die or at least not bother QT posting. If he thinks I'm town I'd expect talking & scumhunting. If he's unsure, I'd expect talking and scumhunting.
If he's scum, then I'd expect he's not the vig. I was hoping to have this proved conclusively last night, but it didn't happen.
Still sticking with my initial replace-in impressions of town, but now trying to reconcile his motivations as town vig with my expectations.

I want it simplified, so your stance can definitively be determined for posterity.

[PeregrineV]

So...everything points to Thad's claim be fake but you're going to trust your initial impressions anyway?

The revelation in the QT seemed sincere, and I could see not shooting the first few days. So far, nothing has concretely pointed to his claim being fake & Overoul's role adds to legitimacy, so yes.

[PeregrineV]

5096

- Maybe, maybe not. But, it didn't take place. I gave my full list of players, my positions on them, and why I would want them dead/alive. I got a list of people he was thinking of shooting and a CTD read. I would think that if he thought I was town, we'd talk, and if he thought I was scum he'd bait me/draw out more info/etc.

I'm not sure I follow this. Are you trying to say something about how you think ThAd perceives you?

5097

-

Indeed. I feel like you're oversimplifying what I'm saying all the way through this discussion, as well as cast nuanced statements into black/white, yes/no terms.

I'm actually trying to figure out how he perceives me, and if he's the vig. If he calls me scum, then I can expect to die or at least not bother QT posting. If he thinks I'm town I'd expect talking & scumhunting. If he's unsure, I'd expect talking and scumhunting.
If he's scum, then I'd expect he's not the vig. I was hoping to have this proved conclusively last night, but it didn't happen.
Still sticking with my initial replace-in impressions of town, but now trying to reconcile his motivations as town vig with my expectations.

Where on day 4 did you first allude to these misgivings?

I want it simplified, so your stance can definitively be determined for posterity.

Your version of simplification is highly and I believe deliberately inaccurate. I'd break out the "m" word but it's overused to the point of meaninglessness.

4867

So are you also objecting to my attempts to get you to simplify and clarify? Apparently you want me to use the question-answer-question technique since you're not exactly being clear with your answers.
So, which part is inaccurate?

[PeregrineV]

I'll see if I can make something productive out of this post.

Mastin's summary of this game:

21 Nice town, I'll take it.
14 (Crowd) Start the game already!
13 Sure, blame it on your isp.

12 Ack! Bein' rushed!
22 Quit posting!
7 Ahhhhhh!
16 Enemy sighted!
9 Ooooohhhh.
11 *Laugh*

24 (Heavy Brittish accent) Dadgum.
26 (frantic) The wonder, the wonderthewonderthe--noooooo!
22 Quit posting!
30 Wololo...
27 You played 200 hours to die like

this

?!?
28 (Laughing, course voice) You should see ze oder threads.


15 Don't point at me...
17 (It is good to be the mod.)

You're the mod in this game....

[PeregrineV]

Your Slandaar case in this post are crappy reasons to want someone lynched, and crappy reasons for appealing to other players to move their votes.

Me: Lynch Slandaar not Bulb.
You: You wanted to lynch Slandaar, you must be scum....
Me: If I'm scum, what does that tell you about Bulb
You: I didn't vote you for not wanting to lynch Bulb, you brought it up.
Me (now): But, if you are voting me for scum, then I am either buddying town-Bulb or protecting scum-Bulb. And since I distinctly wanted a Slandaar lynch instead of a Bulb lynch, and you are now stating that my desire for a Slandaar lynch makes me scum, then you have to have an opinion on Bulb, whose lynch I did NOT want.

I voted you for two reasons: trying to herd votes onto slandaar and because ThAd looks like he distrusts you. Not merely because you wanted to lynch Slandaar.

Don't think I'm wrong about your reasons- it looks like they changed.

I am objecting to your oversimplifications because they have been inaccurate. My post 5101 is a clear and accurate correction of yours.

I can see a town motivation in trying to clarify things. I cannot see a town motivation in simplifying things to the point where they are obviously wrong. Your trust=townread/mistrust=scumread=vig-kill is an example of simplifying to the point of being obviously wrong. As was your statement that I voted you because you wanted to lynch Slandaar.

How can I simplify something to the point that it's wrong?

[PeregrineV]

By eliminating nuance.

I guess I can see that, but

1. I don't think I did that.
2. If you attempt nuance in forum mafia, expect to be called out on it.

[PeregrineV]

You've continually recast my reasons as "because you wanted to lynch Slandaar" rather than "because you tried to herd votes onto Slandaar."

So I was attempting to herd votes on Slandaar to NOT get him lynched?

Finish this sentence "because you tried to herd votes onto Slandaar" because _____________________.

[PeregrineV]

I feel like something is missing.

2. CrashTextDummie-neighbor with dead town-Slandaar
3. Cephir
4. Nachomamma8
5. PeregrineV-Me-neighbor with ThAd
6. Nero Cain
7. Bacde
9. Bulbazak
13. Desperado-neighbor with Senald
14. penguin_alien
17. Seanald-neighbor with desp
18. ThAdmiral-my neighbor
19. Haylen-TWF
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal)
22. ffullisade (fferylit+pirate mollie)
23. Human Destroyer

If the neighborhoods are all clean, then that leaves 4-6 scum in
3. Cephir
4. Nachomamma8
6. Nero Cain
7. Bacde
9. Bulbazak
14. penguin_alien
19. Haylen-TWF
21. Amethyst Kitty
22. ffullisade
23. Human Destroyer

If the neighborhoods are suspect, that leaves 1 (less likely) or 2 scum in
13. Desperado-neighbor with Senald
17. Seanald-neighbor with desp
2. CrashTextDummie-neighbor with dead town-Slandaar
18. ThAdmiral-my neighbor
5. PeregrineV-Me-neighbor with ThAd

Since I know I'm not and think Desp is not, and think ThAd is not, can see it in CTD or Seanald.

I think the odds are the same, if done randomly, but neither will be random.

Would like to hear a neighbor-scum scumlist and a clean-neighborhood scumlist from everyone.

[PeregrineV]

What's the point of having two separate scumlists based on something we can't possibly know until we lynch all the neighbors?

It doesn't accomplish anything that just giving a scumlist would accomplish, except that the latter is actually more informative.

Binary logic- neighborhoods have scum or they do not.

If they do, then who?
If not, then scum in the top, then who?

[PeregrineV]

What's the point of having two separate scumlists based on something we can't possibly know until we lynch all the neighbors?

It doesn't accomplish anything that just giving a scumlist would accomplish, except that the latter is actually more informative.

I'll take your townlist, scumlist, and setup spec based on all info given so far.

TIA

[PeregrineV]

I mean, if the neighborhoods contain scum I think said scum are Seanald and you, and if not then the top of my scumlist is Rena and Nero. But I could have just told you "I think Seanald, PV, Rena and Nero are scum" and accomplished the exact same thing, and I'm still going to vote whoever I feel is scummiest out of that list of four, so I still don't see the point. I guess if the neighborhoods don't have scum it would change some of my reads due to associations but A.) I'm not going to reanalyze all my reads right now based on the possibilities that five given players are all town, and B.) We're so absurdly deep in hypotheticals at that point it's not much use anyway.

Basically I feel like you're pretending to be useful.

Not really. If you think Senald and I are scum, then you need 2 more in addition to Rena/Nero in your main group.

And if you think the neighborhoods are clean, you need 2-4 more reads from the main group.

Yeah, an "update" would be good.

[PeregrineV]

Would like to hear a neighbor-scum scumlist and a clean-neighborhood scumlist from everyone.

And BOOM does the dynamite.

Thank you all for your participation.

I now leave you all back to your regularly scheduled tunneling/lurking.

KK ISO leads me to think Kitty is scum. Timing of their argument, timing of his death.

ArcAngel ISO lends same to Cephrir, Senald. I disagree with her about Desp and Bulba.

[PeregrineV]

you think Bulb is town?

Based on his posts, yes.

Why do you think he's not?

Because your ISO is longer than some games I played in, a little direction to the meat of your reason would help.

[PeregrineV]

PV you wanna vote Rena?

Gut says yes, mafia logic says no.

A town tracker (who has claimed and thus should be expecting death any minute) should be taking the lead in scumhunting, etc. to give the most while they still can.
But, sometimes this has the opposite effect, and you just want to wait for night to see if you get a result or killed.
So this is going to be based on the amount of effort already put into the game. If there is no burst of activity ever, then they might not be a town PR.

So that's gut.

Logic says to give her another night to possibly get results.
And lynching a PR claim that scum would want to NK doesn't seem logical.
Counterlogic says if she was really releblocked once, then she will have no useful results ever.


So, do I go with gut or logic?

[PeregrineV]

@Nero-5245
-Having a town read on you and thinking your reasons are compelling do not go hand in hand.

Plus, I want to see you kick some other doors, esp. based on the large number of scum I feel we have left.

[PeregrineV]

I think you're still voting Cephrir, Peregrine. Why?

I have a somewhat scum read on him, and he was an ArcAngel choice for scum which she pushed day 3.

[PeregrineV]

I think you're still voting Cephrir, Peregrine. Why?

I have a somewhat scum read on him, and he was an ArcAngel choice for scum which she pushed day 3.

That's not a wagon that's going to go through and that's not a read you seem to care too much about. Got anything better?

Looking at the VC:

Bulbazak - 7 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Human Destroyer, Rena)
Rena - 2 (ffullisade, Cephrir)
PeregrineV - 1 (Nachomamma8)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Bacde)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (PeregrineV)

Not Voting - 2 (Amethyst Kitty, penguin_alien)

With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch.

Is any wagon besides Bulba going to go through? We have 8 days and spending it hanging on Bulba and doing nothing else doesn't make sense.

Is Cephrir scum, IYO?

[PeregrineV]

when you lynch town with a really solid case it's their fault.

lol no.

no one ever gets themselves lynched.

Your Rena read please?

@Cephrir- and your Bulba read.

[PeregrineV]

And we're locked in!

Flip will be within three hours.

Final votes:

Oversoul

- 12 (Desperado,

Kublai Khan, Syryana

, Nachomamma8, Cephrir, Bulbazak,

thezmon221

,

PeregrineV

, Nero Cain, ffullisade,

EddieFenix

,

Red Ryu

)

Desperado - 6 (

ArcAngel9, Thor665

, Om the Destroyer, ThAdmiral,

Oversoul, Slandaar

)

Nachomamma8 - 3 (Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Bacde)
EddieFenix - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

Not Voting - 2 (penguin_alien, Haylen)

With

24

players alive, it's

13

to lynch.

Oversoul

was lynched!

And that's a hammer.

Sixty-seventh Votecount

:

(Fifteenth and Final Votecount of Day Two,

AKA, the "Well, that was fast." votecount.

)

thezmon221

- 11 (Bacde, Desperado,

Kublai Khan

, Nero Cain,

EddieFenix

, Nachomamma8, Cephrir, ThAdmiral,

Slandaar

, Seanald,

thezmon221

)

Haylen - 2 (Om the Destroyer, penguin_alien)

Cephrir - 1 (CrashTextDummie)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (

Thor665

)
Desperado - 1 (

ArcAngel9

)
Bacde - 1 (Haylen)

Not Voting - 4 (

PeregrineV

, Bulbazak, Amethyst Kitty, ffullisade)

thezmon221 has been lynched!

With

21

alive, it's

11

to lynch.

Day Two's deadline was Thursday, June 20th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which was in (expired on 2013-06-20 12:30:00).

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
PeregrineV is V/LA until Friday, Jun 7th.
Nachomamma8 is V/LA until Tuesday, Jun 11th.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

thezmon221 - 11 (Bacde, Desperado, Kublai Khan, Nero Cain, EddieFenix, Nachomamma8, Cephrir, ThAdmiral, Slandaar, Seanald,

thezmon221

)
Haylen - 2 (Om the Destroyer, penguin_alien)
Cephrir - 1 (CrashTextDummie)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Thor665)
Desperado - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Bacde - 1 (Haylen)

Not Voting - 4 (

thezmon221

, PeregrineV, Bulbazak, Amethyst Kitty, ffullisade)

Last votecount was page 135, post 3352.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D2

thezmon221: thezmon221
CrashTextDummie: Slandaar->Cephrir->thezmon221->Cephrir
Cephrir: Haylen->thezmon221
Nachomamma8: Amethyst Kitty->thezmon221
PeregrineV:
Nero Cain: Haylen->thezmon221
Bacde: Nachomamma8->thezmon221
EddieFenix: thezmon221
Bulbazak: Bacde->Unvote
Thor665: Haylen->Amethyst Kitty
Desperado: thezmon221
penguin_alien: Haylen
Slandaar: Thor665->Cephrir->Thor665->thezmon221
Seanald: Cephrir->thezmon221
ThAdmiral: thezmon221
Haylen: Bacde
Kublai Khan: thezmon221
Amethyst Kitty: EddieFenix->Unvote->Cephrir->thezmon221->Unvote
ffullisade: Thor665->thezmon221->Unvote
Om the Destroyer: Haylen
ArcAngel9: Desperado

Spoiler: Votecount History D2

On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 01:48p,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 2820.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 01:56p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

EddieFenix

in post 2823.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 03:25p,

Bulbazak

votes

Bacde

in post 2830.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 03:39p,

ArcAngel9

votes

Desperado

in post 2839.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 03:44p,

Cephrir

votes

Haylen

in post 2842.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 04:00p,

Slandaar

votes

Thor665

in post 2852.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 05:58p,

Om the Destroyer

votes

Haylen

in post 2902.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 05:58p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

Slandaar

in post 2903.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 06:24p,

Nero Cain

votes

Haylen

in post 2914.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 07:22p,

CrashTextDummie

unvotes

Slandaar

and votes

Cephrir

in post 2922.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 10:11p,

Thor665

votes

Haylen

in post 2947.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 11:47p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Bacde

in post 2967.
On Sat, Jun 6/01/13 @ 00:16a,

Amethyst Kitty

unvotes

EddieFenix

in post 2972.
On Sat, Jun 6/01/13 @ 11:54p,

ffullisade

votes

Thor665

in post 3022.
On Sun, Jun 6/02/13 @ 12:21p,

penguin_alien

votes

Haylen

in post 3030.
On Sun, Jun 6/02/13 @ 05:23p,

Bacde

votes

thezmon221

in post 3051.
On Sun, Jun 6/02/13 @ 06:50p,

Desperado

votes

thezmon221

in post 3077.
On Sun, Jun 6/02/13 @ 07:16p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3084.
On Sun, Jun 6/02/13 @ 07:30p,

Thor665

unvotes

Haylen

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3089.
On Mon, Jun 6/03/13 @ 04:38a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Cephrir

in post 3106.
On Mon, Jun 6/03/13 @ 06:19a,

Slandaar

votes

Cephrir

in post 3108.
On Mon, Jun 6/03/13 @ 11:45a,

Kublai Khan

votes

thezmon221

in post 3144.
On Mon, Jun 6/03/13 @ 12:03p,

Nero Cain

votes

thezmon221

in post 3151.
On Mon, Jun 6/03/13 @ 12:44p,

EddieFenix

votes

thezmon221

in post 3153.
On Mon, Jun 6/03/13 @ 01:31p,

ffullisade

votes

thezmon221

in post 3158.
On Mon, Jun 6/03/13 @ 02:51p,

Nachomamma8

votes

thezmon221

in post 3166.
On Mon, Jun 6/03/13 @ 03:11p,

Seanald

votes

Cephrir

in post 3167.
On Mon, Jun 6/03/13 @ 04:30p,

CrashTextDummie

unvotes

Cephrir

and votes

thezmon221

in post 3192.
On Mon, Jun 6/03/13 @ 06:09p,

Haylen

votes

Bacde

in post 3207.
On Mon, Jun 6/03/13 @ 06:59p,

Cephrir

unvotes

Haylen

and votes

thezmon221

in post 3211.
On Tue, Jun 6/04/13 @ 05:57a,

ThAdmiral

votes

thezmon221

in post 3227.
On Tue, Jun 6/04/13 @ 05:16p,

CrashTextDummie

unvotes

thezmon221

and votes

Cephrir

in post 3269.
On Wed, Jun 6/04/13 @ 02:07a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

thezmon221

in post 3283.
On Wed, Jun 6/04/13 @ 04:00a,

Amethyst Kitty

unvotes

thezmon221

in post 3285.
On Wed, Jun 6/04/13 @ 08:19a,

Slandaar

votes

Thor665

in post 3288.
On Wed, Jun 6/04/13 @ 09:29a,

Slandaar

votes

thezmon221

in post 3290.
On Wed, Jun 6/04/13 @ 11:07a,

ffullisade

unvotes

thezmon221

in post 3297.
On Thu, Jun 6/05/13 @ 12:23p,

Seanald

unvotes

Cephrir

and votes

thezmon221

in post 3349.
On Thu, Jun 6/05/13 @ 12:46p,

thezmon221

hammer votes

thezmon221

in post 3357.

Flip within a few hours.

And that's time. Stand by!

Votecount at time of deadline was such:

One-Hundred-Eighteenth Votecount

:

(Fifty-First and Final Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "ABOUT FREAKIN' TIME!" votecount.

)

Slandaar

- 9 (

PeregrineV

, Bulbazak, Rena, Amethst Kitty, Nero Cain, Cephrir,

Kublai Khan

, Nachomamma8, Desperado)

Bulbazak - 7 (Human Destroyer, Seanald, ThAdmiral,

ArcAngel9

, Bacde, CrashTextDummie, ffullisade)

Rena - 1 (

Slandaar

)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)

All votes are in play.

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline was Friday, July 5th, @ 2:30 PM PST, which was in (expired on 2013-07-05 14:30:00).

Slandaar

has been lynched...

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Bulbazak - 7 (Human Destroyer, Seanald, ThAdmiral, ArcAngel9, Bacde, CrashTextDummie, ffullisade)
Slandaar - 9 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak, Rena, Amethyst Kitty, Nero Cain, Cephrir, Kublai Khan, Nachomamma8, Desperado)
Rena - 1 (Slandaar)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)

Last votecount was page 193, post 4800.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D3

CrashTextDummie: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->Bulbazak
Cephrir: Rena->ThAdmiral->penguin_alien->Amethyst Kitty->Seanald->Nero Cain->Seanald->Rena->Slandaar
Nachomamma8: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->PeregrineV->Slandaar->Amethyst Kitty->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->Seanald->PeregrineV->Slandaar
PeregrineV: Nachomamma8->Seanald->Slandaar
Nero Cain: Rena->Nachomamma8->Bulbazak->Slandaar
Bacde: Nachomamma8->Rena->Nachomamma8->Unvote->ThAdmiral->Seanald->Nachomamma8->Unvote->Nero Cain->Nachomamma8->Bulbazak
Bulbazak: ffullisade->Bacde->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Nero Cain->Seanald->Unvote->Nero Cain->Unvote->Slandaar
Desperado: ThAdmiral->Rena->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->Amethyst Kitty->ThAdmiral->Seanald->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty->Nero Cain->Seanald->ThAdmiral->Bulbazak->Slandaar
penguin_alien: ThAdmiral->Unvote->ThAdmiral->PeregrineV->Seanald->Nero Cain->Seanald
Slandaar: Amethyst Kitty->Rena->Desperado->ThAdmiral->Amethyst Kitty->PeregrineV->Seanald->Rena
Seanald: Rena->Cephrir->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote
ThAdmiral: Nachomamma8->Seanald->Bulbazak
Rena: Bacde->Unvote->Slandaar
Kublai Khan: Bacde->Amethyst Kitty->Nero Cain->Slandaar
Amethyst Kitty: Seanald->Kublai Khan->Desperado->Kublai Khan->Slandaar
ffullisade: Rena->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty->Nero Cain->Unvote->Rena->Bulbazak
Human Destroyer: Rena->ThAdmiral->Bulbazak
ArcAngel9: Cephrir->Amethyst Kitty->Desperado->Seanald->Bulbazak

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:30p,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3367.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:40p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3375.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 05:23p,

Nero Cain

votes

Rena

in post 3385.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 06:01p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Nero Cain

in post 3388.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 11:14p,

Kublai Khan

votes

Bacde

in post 3397.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 04:18a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3406.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 08:55a,

Desperado

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3417.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 12:32p,

Bubazak

votes

ffullisade

in post 3432.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 03:04p,

ArcAngel9

votes

Cephrir

in post 3444.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 06:46p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 3462.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 09:08p,

Seanald

votes

Rena

in post 3467.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 11:07a,

Desperado

votes

Rena

in post 3489.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 12:41p,

Bacde

votes

Rena

in post 3522.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 01:45p,

Slandaar

votes

Rena

in post 3528.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:15p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

ffullisade

and votes

Bacde

in post 3537.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:42p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Rena

in post 3543.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:04p,

Bacde

unvotes

Rena

and votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3548.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:48p,

Nachomamma8

votes

PeregrineV

in post 3584.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:49p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Slandaar

in post 3585.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:50p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3586.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 06:07p,

Nero Cain

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3623.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 03:49a,

Slandaar

votes

Desperado

in post 3625.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 10:02a,

Human Destroyer

votes

Rena

in post 3633.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 10:06a,

Bacde

unvotes

Nachomamma8

in post 3671.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:16a,

Desperado

unvotes

Rena

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3672.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:30a,

Bacde

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3673.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 12:08p,

Slandaar

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3678.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 06:50a,

Cephrir

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3711.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 10:31p,

Seanald

unvotes

Rena

and votes

Cephrir

in post 3730.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:17p,

Bacde

votes

Seanald

in post 3731.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:59p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Seanald

in post 3732.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 00:18a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Kublai Khan

in post 3733.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 01:07p,

penguin_alien

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3740.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:07p,

Human Destroyer

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3745.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:18p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3746.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 05:10p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3752.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:05p,

Nachomamma8

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3759.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:28p,

Desperado

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3760.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:02a,

Kublai Khan

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3769.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:50a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3771.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 07:28a,

Cephrir

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

penguin_alien

in post 3772.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:29a,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3774.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:53a,

Desperado

unvotes

Nero Cain

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3777.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 11:03a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Desperado

in post 3792.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 01:54p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Kublai Khan

in post 3821.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 01:59p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Bacde

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3822.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 08:37a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

ThAdmiral

in post 3857.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 11:53a,

PeregrineV

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3869.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 02:24p,

Cephrir

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3885.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 06:39p,

ThAdmiral

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3900.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 11:04a,

ArcAngel9

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3921.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:05p,

Seanald

unvotes

Cephrir

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3950.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:28p,

penguin_alien

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3962.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:42p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3966.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:50p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3967.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 02:52p,

Bulbazak

votes

Nero Cain

in post 3977.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 04:04p,

ffullisade

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3979.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 05:24p,

CrashTextDummie

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3989.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 07:29p,

Desperado

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3991.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 03:29a,

ArcAngel9

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

Desperado

in post 4015.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 04:56a,

Slandaar

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4016.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 10:05a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

PeregrineV

in post 4017.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 11:22p,

Desperado

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Seanald

in post 4038.
On Fri, Jun 6/21/13 @ 01:23p,

PeregrineV

votes

Seanald

in post 4056.
On Fri, Jun 6/21/13 @ 02:14p,

Seanald

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 4059.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 03:45a,

Slandaar

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 4066.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 08:24a,

ArcAngel9

votes

Seanald

in post 4070.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 01:41p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Nero Cain

and votes

Seanald

in post 4081.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 02:02p,

Cephrir

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

Seanald

in post 4083.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 02:38a,

ThAdmiral

votes

Seanald

in post 4087.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 07:02a,

Slandaar

votes

Seanald

in post 4088.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 11:52a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

PeregrineV

and votes

Seanald

in post 4091.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 04:08p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Seanald

in post 4104.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 04:20p,

Desperado

unvotes

Seanald

in post 4106.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 04:17a,

Slandaar

votes

Rena

in post 4126.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 10:33a,

Desperado

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 4133.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 02:41p,

Bade

unvotes

Nachomamma8

in post 4153.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 04:19p,

Desperado

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 4170.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 04:27p,

Bacde

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4171.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 04:28p,

ffullisade

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4172.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 06:01p,

Cephrir

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4198.
On Thu, Jun 6/27/13 @ 07:17a,

Nero Cain

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4231.
On Thu, Jun 6/27/13 @ 05:13p,

Rena

unvotes

Bacde

in post 4298.
On Fri, Jun 6/28/13 @ 01:13p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Nero Cain

in post 4333.
On Fri, Jun 6/28/13 @ 02:07p,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 4346.
On Fri, Jun 6/28/13 @ 04:35p,

Desperado

unvotes

Nero Cain

and votes

Seanald

in post 4374.
On Sat, Jun 6/29/13 @ 09:29a,

Kublai Khan

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4398.
On Sat, Jun 6/29/13 @ 11:46a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

Seanald

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 4402.
On Sun, Jun 6/30/13 @ 12:16p,

Human Destroyer

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Bulbazak

in post 4409.
On Mon, Jul 7/01/13 @ 00:13a,

Bulbazak

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4442.
On Mon, Jul 7/01/13 @ 09:14a,

Nachomamma8

unvotes

Nero Cain

and votes

Seanald

in post 4451.
On Mon, Jul 7/01/13 @ 09:59a,

Nachomamma8

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4458.
On Mon, Jul 7/01/13 @ 10:05a,

penguin_alien

votes

Seanald

in post 4461.
On Mon, Jul 7/01/13 @ 10:19a,

Cephrir

unvotes

Nero Cain

and votes

Seanald

in post 4464.
On Tue, Jul 7/02/13 @ 08:34p,

Seanald

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4542.
On Wed, Jul 7/03/13 @ 05:52a,

ThAdmiral

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4558.
On Wed, Jul 7/03/13 @ 03:50p,

ArcAngel9

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4574.
On Wed, Jul 7/03/13 @ 06:53p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 4599.
On Wed, Jul 7/03/13 @ 05:58p,

Cephrir

votes

Rena

in post 4601.
On Wed, Jul 7/03/13 @ 11:48p,

PeregrineV

votes

Slandaar

in post 4623.
On Thu, Jul 7/04/13 @ 00:42a,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Nero Cain

in post 4627.
On Thu, Jul 7/04/13 @ 09:39a,

Desperado

unvotes

Seanald

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 4639.
On Thu, Jul 7/04/13 @ 11:42a,

Bulbazak

votes

Slandaar

in post 4646.
On Thu, Jul 7/04/13 @ 03:42p,

Rena

votes

Slandaar

in post 4669.
On Thu, Jul 7/04/13 @ 03:43p,

Bacde

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4670.
On Fri, Jul 7/05/13 @ 02:39a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Slandaar

in post 4689.
On Fri, Jul 7/05/13 @ 04:18a,

CrashTextDummie

unvotes

Nero Cain

and votes

Bulbazak

in post 4691.
On Fri, Jul 7/05/13 @ 08:02a,

Nero Cain

votes

Slandaar

in post 4696.
On Fri, Jul 7/05/13 @ 08:30a,

Cephrir

votes

Slandaar

in post 4702.
On Fri, Jul 7/05/13 @ 08:40a,

Desperado

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Bulbazak

in post 4704.
On Fri, Jul 7/05/13 @ 01:10p,

Kublai Khan

votes

Slandaar

in post 4745.
On Fri, Jul 7/05/13 @ 03:16p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Slandaar

in post 4782.
On Fri, Jul 7/05/13 @ 03:17p,

ffullisade

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4783.
On Fri, Jul 7/05/13 @ 03:20p,

Desperado

unvotes

Bulbazak

and votes

Slandaar

in post 4787.

<<< Stay tuned for the flip! >>>

Bulbazak is at L-1!

<<< Seanald and Bacde have been prodded. Four additional warnings for activity have been sent. You guys need to pick up the pace. >>>

One-Hundred-Thirty-First Votecount

:

(Thirteenth Votecount of Day Four,

AKA, the "Perfectly timed for a votecount." votecount.

)

Bulbazak - 7 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Human Destroyer, Rena)

Rena - 3 (ffullisade, Cephrir, Nachomamma8)

ThAdmiral - 1 (Bacde)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (PeregrineV)

Not Voting - 2 (Amethyst Kitty, penguin_alien)

With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

Day Four's deadline is Wednesday, July 31st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Bulbazak - 7 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Human Destroyer, Rena)
Rena - 3 (ffullisade, Cephrir,

Nachomamma8

)
PeregrineV - 0 (

Nachomamma8

)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Bacde)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (PeregrineV)

Not Voting - 2 (Amethyst Kitty, penguin_alien)

Last votecount was page 207, post 5154.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D4

CrashTextDummie: Nero Cain->Bulbazak
Cephrir: Rena->PeregrineV->Rena
Nachomamma8: PeregrineV->Rena
PeregrineV: Nachomamma8->Cephrir
Nero Cain: Bulbazak
Bacde: Nachomamma8->ThAdmiral
Bulbazak: Nero Cain
Desperado: Amethyst Kitty->PeregrineV->Bulbazak
penguin_alien: Rena->Unvote
Seanald: Bulbazak
ThAdmiral: Bulbazak
Rena: Bulbazak
Amethyst Kitty:
ffullisade: PeregrineV->Rena
Human Destroyer: Bulbazak->ThAdmiral->Bulbazak

Spoiler: Vote History D4

On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 07:28a,

Human Destroyer

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 4831.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 10:11a,

Nero Cain

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4832.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 10:15a,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 4833.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 02:24p,

Bulbazak

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4836.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 02:33p,

Cephrir

votes

Rena

in post 4838.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 02:26p,

PeregrineV

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 4867.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 05:18p,

Nachomamma8

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4870.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 06:04p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4871.
On Fri, Jul 7/12/13 @ 08:38a,

Desperado

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 4879.
On Fri, Jul 7/12/13 @ 08:10p,

ThAdmiral

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4899.
On Sun, Jul 7/14/13 @ 04:25p,

Seanald

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4937.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 00:12a,

penguin_alien

votes

Rena

in post 4942.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 04:10p,

ffullisade

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4960.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 04:15p,

Cephrir

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4961.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 05:05p,

Desperado

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4965.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 07:22p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4966.
On Wed, Jul 7/17/13 @ 09:30a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

Rena

in post 4998.
On Wed, Jul 7/17/13 @ 04:18p,

Desperado

unvotes

PeregrineV

and votes

Bulbazak

in post 5018.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 09:10a,

Human Destroyer

unvotes

Bulbazak

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 5029.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 12:57p,

Bacde

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 5044.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 01:20p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 5046.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 02:41p,

PeregrineV

votes

Cephrir

in post 5051.
On Sat, Jul 7/20/13 @ 07:48a,

Human Destroyer

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Bulbazak

in post 5129.
On Sun, Jul 7/21/13 @ 00:46a,

Cephrir

votes

Rena

in post 5136.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 11:34a,

Rena

votes

Bulbazak

in post 5142.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 01:12p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Rena

in post 5159.

[PeregrineV]

Now that I see Thor's vote on Kitty day2 and that's the day he smurfed, I'm willing to bet there's a buttload of posts where Thor finds her scummy.
This is similar to day3, where Khan is pushing for Kitty-scum.

Is this just a coincidence, or is there something there?

pedit: @ Cephrir, your last reads list was over 100 of your posts ago.

[PeregrineV]

@Bulba-I thought I did multiple times.

Spoiler: Selected postings of Thor chasing Amethyst Kitty

I'm vaguely town-reading Thor

What changed, scumCat?

But, taking this trip through your ISO reminded me that I'm unclear on a majority of your stances on players. Can I get your T-->S list?

I hate those and consider them dumb.
Here are just reads;

1. thezmon221 - null
2. CrashTextDummie [1] - townish leaning a touch null
3. Cephir - null leaning a touch scum
4. Nachomamma8 - townish
5. PeregrineV - Eh, I seem to recall DLG as being scummish - so, scummish.
6. Nero Cain - townish (very ish)
7. Bacde - null
8. EddieFenix - null
9. Bulbazak - town
11. Red Ryu - scummish
12. Syryana - null
13. Desperado - null
14. penguin_alien - null
15. Slandaar - scummy
16. Oversoul - townish
17. Seanald - scummy
18. ThAdmiral - town
19. Haylen - null
20. Kublai Khan - town
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal) - scummy
22. !BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy+pirate mollie) - scummy
23. Om the Destroyer (Human Destroyer+Om of the Nom) - town
24. ArcAngel9 [1] - town

I'd like to know what pushes look Genuine because I havn't really paid attention to KK and I think he looked pretty bad towards the end of the day yesterday

Why?

Amethyst also sidled away from this question.
I know now you're thinking the slot looks townish, or at least less scummish, but I still want this answered.

Not necessarily, I just don't see why you would find him town.

It's gut at the moment, he feels like he's legit working, not fake working.

Yes, it is consistent.

She lies about things she's done to avoid explaining them and fakes emotional breakdowns as town?
Links to any examples?

Let's be peaches together.

Unvote: Haylen
Vote: AmethystKitten

So if you have a townread on me and a scumread on mollie and I'm calling mollie town, that's not a good thing.

I don't really have a legit town read on you.
I have a 'I don't think his bad play is proof he's scum' read on you.
But I'm willing to see the links you'll show me.

Spoiler: Thor Nightkilled

<<< The spirits of the citizens were lifted by them finally making progress, but with night having fallen, they never knew what was in store for them the next day. All the thrilling adventures of bullets flying and corpses falling! Not to mention, that one drunken fool ranting and shouting in a loud voice, wandering about.

"YOU YOUNG RASCALS MOVE TOO QUICKLY! Back in MY day, we could have civilized conversations, and be intuitive about them. Why, even in my inebriated state of mind, I am still twice the man you are! I can hold my liquor, I have standards, and I don't go wasting my money on some trivial things! I am a sexy seductive man, AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT! But I don't let my ego get in the way of CONVERSATION, YE DARN FOOLS. If you had taken your time, MAYBE we could have gotten MORE than just what we did, AND YET you were SO determined to WASTE your lives that YOU RUSHED into WHAAT SHOULDA BEEN SIMMPLE. So I SWEAR TO MY BEARD THAT--"

*piff*

Finally. Something shut him up.

And with that, everyone could get a peaceful night of sleep. Bad things might still be happening, but the future looks bright. Soon, the streets could be cleared of the wretched scum, fellows who could sneak into a house and rob the residents blind without causing any alarm.

...In fact, they're clear of one such fellow, unlucky enough to have been startled by the shouting of a lunatic drunk. In the streets, he was vulnerable to being gunned down. The citizens of the street would rejoice come morning.




...Until they learned that "could sneak in and rob a person blind" doesn't translate into "actually does sneak in and rob a person blind". Certainly this young fellow had sneaked into houses, but not with malevolent intent. An ex-thief who had retired to the streets because they were peaceful, this man was clearly upset to see the things he despised about himself re-lived in front of him from an outside perspective. But the real giveaway that he was no threat? His identity is made clear as

Eddie Fenix

, a teacher...at a police academy. He had turned his life around and been reborn as an upstanding citizen, and thus, was of no threat.

Though not quite as much of an upset, the people are still saddened to learn the method by which the crazy drunkard many of them secretly enjoyed the musings of had been silenced. Shot point-blank with a silencer, Papa

Thor665

lay dead, his horned helmet not offering him the invulnerability of the god (and simultaneously, devil) he claimed to be.

Still, life goes on, and a new day has dawned. What's the worst that could happen?

(Oh, dear...)

>>>

EddieFenix

,

Town Rolecop

,

Shot Night Two

.

Thor665

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Smurfed Night Two

.

Day three dawns with 18 remaining.

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Selected postings of Khan chasing Amethyst Kitty

....really all in one page right in a row, someone is scum here. I lean nacho/Cephrir most.

If you're going to make this (bad) point, why leave off the BeautyAndTheBeast vote? It followed the Cephrir vote and had the same general format {no other comment except vote}.

Why not include the other couple of votes on the same page?

its also likely multiball

How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?

Why did an OS wagon pop up?

He's been the scummiest player all game.

are we seriously Lynching OS? that dude is town as fuck.

If Oversoul flips town. Amethyst Kitty is definite scum. (calling a town flip while doing nothing to prevent it)

Vote Nero, People. There IS An OS Alternative.

Why do you do shit like this? You were voting Oversoul, then you jumped off and are promoting a counter-wagon. All of this without any post by Oversoul? WTF?

If you don't think Oversoul is scum, then why did you vote for him at all?

If you say that this is a hydra miscommunication thing, then one of you seriously needs to drop this game because this sort of shit is ridiculous.

Not defensive, I just have issues with people coming into page 99 of a game and trying to make an argument based on the first 10, acting like they're hot shit as they do.

Why? The first ten pages of the game are where scum are most exposed. They haven't started figuring out how to manipulate people yet.

Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.

But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?

+ why am I not on your town list?

Technically you broke the multiball cherry in Post 1377. Also, the big difference is that you wrote

likely

multiball whereas they said something along the lines of "it might be multiball because I'm too much of a stubborn fool to admit I'm possibly wrong about a scumread". (Paraphrased, of course)

+ you're not on the town list because you haven't stood out as town.

Also, you're really stretching the definition of multiball if you want it to include 5maf+1SK. Multiball is two scum teams.

Still trying to convince Mala of my read, while I do so I'm going to say that this is a clever way to set-up two mislynches.

Calling it "clever" speaks volumes about yourself.

first, I did not " do nothing to prevent it" and I have been calling OS town all game. part of my attack on Nacho was because he was choosing such a terrible target to go after early on

Yes, you've literally been calling Oversoul town all game. Whoop-de-doo. Anyone can post an unexplained stance repeatedly. But if you really, really didn't want Oversoul to be lynched (you've been clearing him with the tenacity of a mason), then you would have explained the town-read. Or made a better case besides going "hey that guy!".

From my vantage point it looks like you're trying to earn townie-brownie points by calling Oversoul a mislynch. And I'm going to deny you.

then there's his interactions with OS. He just recently stated that he felt like he couldn't trust OS for doing the gambit, though when OS initially admitted that it was a gambit,

instead of showing distrust he was actually open to what OS might have learned from it

. The only time he has ever shown any negative emotion towards OS and what he's done with his gambit is when OS wagon started picking up. Before then, he didn't really care about him

Also, how in the world is the above even remotely scummy?

Well, at least you stuck with your second soft claim.

...eh, that post still feels fairly town and I think it flows with the logic of your fakeclaim gambit.

That's null. I called attention to the softclaim when I made a case on him. He had to make it part of the new claim.

Plus he's claiming a role he's had in another game.
Plus he listed the

number

of BP that he is.
Plus he has no credibility since he's a proven liar.

Why are people not on board with this lynch?

I'm curious to see where Amethyst Kitty's line of questioning is going. But not really. They are scum.

Quick, somebody (not Amethyst Kitty) name 5 reads that Amethyst Kitty has.

If you have to ISO, then you have to uncover 10 substantial reads.

Can't be done. Amethyst Kitty is a hydra double-posting nothingness.

---

I'm not bothering reading any Bacde posts until he can post something substantial and not just random braindead tunnelling bullshit.

---

ok so Red kills syr, but why does his team let him?

Oh, Seanald is scum too. He's been playing enough to not WIFOM a NK so strongly. Especially with such open leading questions.

Did anyone get a message from Syryana confirming his alignment? If not then I'm guessing that Seanald-scum or someone in his mafia did.

---

The question remains: What do you think of CTD's claim and its implications?

Didn't you just chastise Seanald for posting IIoA?

---

Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

And Bacde is claiming vig with no kill on the board? I smell bullshit on that one.

---

Though, actually, who was it who was actually telling me that OS's claims didn't make logical sense considering his eventual BP claim?
That person needs to sheep me more, but I want to call them town at this stage.
I sorta think it was KK though...so...meh.

Was me.
I've got a town-read on Haylen right now though. How would you feel if I started an Amethyst Kitty wagon?

I probably will soon, but I want to do some reading first. So probably Monday.

I am referring to KK

and he honestly didn't even bother with us until I started voicing my suspicions on him

You've got that backwards.

1784 - Amethyst Kitty - "Cephrir, Nacho, Ryu, Eddie, and possibly Hanzo are my scum reads."

1809 - Kublai Khan - "Very willing to lynch Day 1: Red Ryu, Oversoul, Amethyst Kitty, Baby Spice"

1868 - Amethyst Kitty - "Will talk to Mala, though I'd be fine with voting Cephrir, KK, Desp, and Ryu, possibly Thor and Nacho"

---

Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

Reminds me:
What do people (not just KK, but KK can answer too) are the chances that at least one, if not two, of the neighborhoods are town-scum neighborhoods? I personally would say the chances are pretty good.

It's still out-guess the mod territory. And I've played with the mod in a multiball Large Normal with all-town neighborhoods. Treat as VT and scum-hunt normally.
---

@People paying any attention at all to the Vig claim -

Eh, we just lynched someone for lying about a claim. Who in their right mind fakeclaims after that?

Thezmon I saw as a link to scumcho, since he was the one being THE MOST fency and weird about me voting for nacho. So I strung him up. But he flipped blue--the only natural conclusion I could make, that continued my train of thought of the thezmon-nacho link, was to assume that nacho is indeed bluescum.

This is actually pretty easy to follow

Eh. It's more like you've already got the conclusion that Nachomamma8 is scum and you just followed whatever course it takes to re-reach that conclusion.

----

actually

VOTE: KK

I want this. His justification for Bacde scum looks like a reach and him not following through on the Kitty scum read after the toasty flip leads me to believe that he didn't really didn't really believe in that in the first place which means he probably was, in fact, looking to go after two mislynches.

Thing is, if we were town, based on what he has stated on us yesterday us not posting much should have triggered suspicion on his part. He hasn't even mentioned us at all today. He needs to die.

Toasty flip? WTF are you talking about? You mean Oversoul?

Do you maybe remember that there was a "blue mafia" flip at the start of the next day? Do you think maybe that was a bit of a game-changer? That maybe I had to reconsider things a little?

This game still has so many players that I haven't really conducted any deep-seated analysis. If I see activity from Bacde at the start of Day 3 that makes me want to shine a light on it and question it, then that's what I'll do.

I still find you quite scummy. Same with penguin_alien. I'll pursue the case when I'm good and ready to write it out properly.

tl;dr - Calm yo tits.
--

Still waiting on Rena to claim those results...

She already claimed them.

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

You really want to go 1 on 1?

Okay. This is the perfect time to do it.

Vote: Amethyst Kitty

Reasons for suspecting Amethyst Kitty:

Early stuff:
> Unvoting without revoting in pre-game RVS.
--- This is strictly a move of appeasement and buddying.
> Post 900: Strong reaction against Red Ryu trying todirect night actions, but never spoke a word against anyone else doing stuff like vig-directing.
--- Fun Fact: Red Ryu flipped scum.

Oversoul stuff:
> Doing nothing to try to push any counter-wagons to Oversoul or stop his lynch in any way until I called her out on it.
--- After that, she started up a case on EddieFenix, which indicates to me that she knows I had a very legitimate point and changed her actions accordingly.

OMGUS! and now stuff
> Ignores me until I put her on a scum list. Then I magically end up on her scum list.
> Calls me out on OMGUSing her
> Drops it, but still keeps me high on her scum list.
> Makes a case on why I'm scummy, but refers to nothing that occured previous to first reason for calling me scummy
--- Smells like a reads first, justification later type of activity. Which she's been doing all game.
--- Also doing the bullshit hydra thing of "oh, my partner had a x-read, I'll let them explain" "...." <- No explanation or anything ever given

I don't do 1vs1 get over yourself. 1vs1 don't help anyone in my mind and sometimes are used as a scum advantage because it gets everyone so wrapped up in it and people forget to hunt.

Wait, what? You called me scummy and vote for me when there's a wagon on thAdmiral going on. But when that wagon disintegrates and I vote you back, you back off?

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

Bacade stfu. You aren't fucking obv town. So just stfu.

How is Bacde both "not remotely scummy"

and

"not fucking obvtown" at the same time?

1) though, if you want to look at someone who is badly pushing at Bacde that is scum I would look at Khan because of the fact that not only does he push Bacde terribly, be had better pushes to go after, pushes that he apparently believed in but suddenly dropped for him.

2) I am also under the impression that he is a better player than this.

3) I also find it strange that he pins CTD as super-obvious town, but he doesn't give Bacde the exact same extension even though he's done a shit-load for town with his "anti-town" play.

4) His case on Oversoul was just as bad, if not worse than yours

5) his other cases are just as shitty

6) he made a shallow case on us based on Oversoul flipping town, doesn't pursue it.

7) when I originally bring up my scum read on him, all he does is ask if anyone remembers our reads and, in doing such discrediting us

8) we

were

scummy enough to warrant a wagon, though he doesn't really initiate it but waits to see if others would do it first

9) Sheeps onto Thez, because of what Bacde said who he currently finds scummy...

10) I had to actually PUSH him to make a case on he, and all the things he is calling me out on has very shallow thought processes to them.

11) alot of his reasons for things are just as, even his reasons for why he thinks people are town.

1) "Badly" is a useless judgement call to make in a mafia game. Were my points bad? Was the timing bad? It sounds like you just hate my choice of targets which, given that we have a named mafia group (i.e. probably multiball), there is no evidence that Bacde isn't a non-blue scum.

2) Really? A burden of proficiency fallacy as your second point?

3) CrashTextDummie is breaking things point rationally and in a way that I can understand his thought process. Bacde spends 75 pages calling Nachomamma8 scum with little reasoning, then "Squirrel!" they are voting together for someone. Then back to calling Nachomamma8 scum. I don't understand Bacde and he's very reluctant to explain himself. So he doesn't get the same town-points that CrashTextDummie gets.

4) Again. "Bad". Well, your case on me is bad. Damn, that's much easier to say something is bad instead of saying something substantial.

5) Ooh, "shitty". What a vocab!

6) Sorry, was busy lynching your scum-buddy Red Ryu the next day.

7) No, I specifically addressed the fact that your scum-read on me is based on nothing but OMGUS. You

still

haven't given an alternative explanation for why I ever ended up on your scumlist.

8) WTF?

9) Are you calling me scummy for lynching scum?

10) So shallow that you haven't bothered to refute or provide alternative explanations?

11) Oh shit, did you forget to write "bad" there? That's the lynchpin of your whole case! You can't be forgetting that word!

Summary:

When I replaced in, I found four players to be very scummy when reading: (Oversoul, Red Ryu, you, and Baby Spice/penguin_alien). I only have one vote and it's incredibly inefficient to make four simultaneous cases. So Day 1 I pushed a case on Oversoul. After Day 2 started, Bacde made a good case on thezmon221, so you got put on the back burner a little longer. Day 3, Bacde opened with some posts that rubbed me the wrong way because his logic doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Since he is a very active player, I made on case on him and

even he acknowledged that my case had a lot of merit

. Then the ThAdmiral case started up. I didn't agree with it, but I didn't have any reason to debunk it either. So I spent some time questioning it. Then that crumbled, so it was suddenly the perfect time to put my cards on the table about why I find you scummy.

Besides the fact that I'm "bad" and saying "bad" things. The entirety of your case seems to revolve on the fact that I didn't drop everything and try to constantly ineffectually get you lynched no matter what else is happening in the game. You seem absolutely mystified about the concept of a back-burner. I think this exposes that you've really only been skimming the thread and looking for mentions of your name so you can try to defuse any potential wagon before they start. Like scum does. Because you're scum and that's bad.

Khan, Red Ryu was killed at night... not lynched the next day... you just admitted to killing him. thanks for that.

I meant thezmon221, not Red Ryu.

I am not calling you scummy for lynching scum, I'm calling you scummy for attacking the leader of that day's scum lynch

YOU ADMIT THAT WE WERE A TOP SCUM-READ, YET YOU GO AFTER BACDE TODAY WHO LED THE LYNCH ON SCUM.

You proved the central argument of my case.

we were a scummier read to you all game, but you pursue Bacde today over us until I called you out on it. Bacde who lead the wagon on scum yesterday despite being under heavy attack. why?

That is the ONLY argument to your case and I've answered it 3 separate times (here, here, and here). You don't care. You literally do not care. So why do you keep asking "why?" as if you're scum-hunting?

and yes, you did try to subtly discredit us. I mean, what else would the whole "quick, who can tell me who are their reads" thing could be, especially when I'm attacking you.

You aren't even addressing my points, just throwing them off to the side... again

You were going around asking "Hey, why do you have a town read on KK?". I'm glad that you're acknowledging that that was an attack and not some sort of legitimate attempt to scum-hunt.

WTF? I addressed EVERY SINGLE ONE of your points. Try actually reading my posts. You've addressed nothing of what I've wrote. Not even a flat-out denial. Literally the closest thing you've done to addressing anything I've written it a 3 letter word. And I can actually use the word "literally" correctly.

Yeah that is pretty weak, in Khan's mind all three of you are bluescum so it's not really an outrageous mistake. Certainly not a freudian slip.

No, he's called us scum, but I don't thinks he's inferred that we are bluescum

Except when I showed that you were coaching blue-scum Red Ryu. You really haven't read a single thing I've posted, have you? Dingos monkey dishwasher fartfart. Doesn't even matter what I type right here at all.

Mala's tantrum and the followup by Mara feel very town to me, which is the first time since d1 that they have been townreading so strongly.

I'm stunned that someone can completely dodge a case; hell, not even appear to read it. Instead attack some random other people, say the word "psychological" a few times to sound smart then put on a little drama show and people call them town.

Bravo scummy heads of Amethyst Kitty. I'm actually impressed.

and no, you didn't answer that part of the argument you only reacted to it to make it look like you did. The only thing that resembles an answer would be the first post and even that one was

"you're scummy but I don't want to deal with you yet" kinda post. You don't just put your top scum-read on the back burner like that. just, no.

Okay, this is going to be revolutionary, so hold on to your seat. Mafia teams have

more

than one member. I'll give you a moment to process that idea.

So even if I think that you're scummy, I may put that aside for a moment if someone else is in the spotlight, because (*gasp*) they might also be scum. Insane, right? I might be trying to figure out the alignment of more than one person at a time.

Also, being that there are so many players in this game, I will react first to what's immediately happening instead of just random old stuff. So when Day 3 started and Bacde posted completely opposite reasoning for why he wanted Nachomamma8 lynched, I called him out on it. BECAUSE IT JUST HAPPENED. I really don't care that he was pivotal in lynching thezmon221 BECAUSE ALL SIGNS ARE POINTING TO A MULTIBALL SETUP. I'm typing stuff in caps BECAUSE ITS THE FOURTH TIME I'VE EXPLAINED IT TO YOU AND YOU'RE STILL POSTING DITZY BRAINDEAD CRAP LIKE:

you left us and went after bacde because Thez flipped Blue scum?

--

and I have read your post, and I have responded to you.

Link it. Is it that post where you call it "bad" four times? Because that's not a response.

Amazingly suspect timing. When Amethyst Kitty gets 7 out of 10 votes and is clearly scum, you suddenly decide to start a counter-wagon. You need to bring something more substantial to the table than "meh" and "Fuck it".

Explain to me in one sentence why ak is "clearly scum".

This reeks of an "I don't give a shit about your case" attitude.

Here.

--
@penguin_alien - I guessing that mastin2 listed Thor665 as "smurfed" instead of shot because it's "funny".

<<< This is correct. The Important Links post lists the correct flavor of "shot". >>>

So.. Back to lynching Amethyst Kitty?

I think you are red scum and there is someone on your team who is coaching you

Are you suggesting that the red scum team has day talk?

It's official. Bulbazak isn't scum. Same for ffullisade.

I'm not feeling an AK scum. It seems too easy.

I could easily see Seanald as scum ie lurking through most of the days to the extent I forget he's actually playing this game, coming in to bandwagon that sort of thing.

Easy? Pfft. The people on the Amethyst Kitty wagon were townier than those making excuses to stay off it.

If you want an easy wagon, look at Seanald. It's super-easy to wagon the guy that isn't putting up much of a fight.

Wrong. You get something from the lynch, but it's nor what you desired. You still get information, but it's using that information to your advantage.

Second time Amethyst Kitty has encouraged a wagon on someone that they aren't voting.

It's still a scum move.

what's the town motivation of setting up mislynches in the way Khan did because I can't really think of any.

Except I didn't "set up a mislynch". I pointed out that it's a scum move to say stuff like "hey, oversoul is town guys", and do

nothing

to prevent the lynch. No arguments, no counter-wagons, no show of town-tells, no meta arguments. Nuh-thang.

Except

after

I said that to tried to start a counter-wagon on EddieFenix. Because you knew that I was dead-on right.

Khan I take it you agree with my reservations re: the seanald wagon?

I do.

Kk:

I been told that if I move the vote its going right back on you. I'd vote Seanald, but I'm not allowed, but good job on trying to twist a conversation to your benefit.

Yet other people are saying so and so are scum, but you're not saying jack shit to them for not voting.

"twist a conversation"? WTF? It's one of the things about you I called scummy back in post 3770.

And calling someone town while not stopping their lynch IS COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DIFFERENT from saying "so and so is scum" and not voting. Only scum would try to play dumb and not understand that.

So we are back to this argument again? You need to let it freaken go I swear. This ISN'T helping anyone and certainly helping scum more by engaging in this useless tunneling behavior.

Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

---
Just reminding everyone that Amethyst Kitty is still scum.

I'm behind and reading.

Spoiler: Thor Nightkilled

Massive apologies for the delay. I should have set the deadline for Monday where I could have started day (close to) on time. My appointment left me quite a bit late. Sorry.

<<< High spirits might not be in plentiful supply, but the citizens are determined not to let that get in their way. I mean, looking outside, it's such a lovely day and night. The weather's gorgeous, there's no clouds, the stars the moon the sun are all shining, and it looks like things will be nice and

*BAM*

...Nice and bright. Sure, there may be a lot of bad things going on, but life would recover sooner or later. There's plenty to look forward to! If they would survive, the citizens would have a lot left to thrive on. The violence in the streets might be insane, but not a challenge impossible to beat. They may be up against demons, and they're not exactly angels themselves, but surely, they can manage to win. They're all happy to

*BAM*

*ahem*

All happy to be a part of this lovely city.

Come daybreak, they knew there would be casualties, but they didn't expect what they were going to see. Dead in her house was the purest of them: she had been sweet, innocent, young, and perhaps naive, which would make the loss of their dear little angel all the more of a tragedy.

ArcAngel9

was not a threat, yet clearly her death was meant as a message.

At the other side of town, the next dead body is found next to his van:

Kublai Khan

has been shot. But...why the heck was he driving a van in the middle of the night? Looking inside reveals the contents of the van: it's clearly meant more as a party van, because there's a luxurious couch along with alcohol and several drugs. But wait...what else is there? Knockout gas? Restraints to tie people? Hmm, maybe looking at the couch closer to see what's on it would b--EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWW, gross!

...NOBODY should have to see that. "Party Van" indeed. Just not the type of party half the members 'invited' to would enjoy.

...Despite the depravity present, searching for any connections to the mafia turns up nothing. No weapons, no notes. He was a harmless wisecracking guy who just so happened to have a dark side--which, given the nature of these findings, was probably meant to be used for good. >>>

ArcAngel9

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Killed Night Three

.

Kublai Khan

,

Town Jailkeeper

,

Killed Night Three

.

Day Four!

Deadline for Day Four is Wednesday, July 31st, at 12:30 PM, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).
With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

[PeregrineV]

PV, if you think AK is scum and killed Thor + Khan why do you think Bulb is town for defending her? + Bulb as been all over the place with his AK read.

You don't think scum defend each other like that?

First, if were assuming redscum/bluescum (which I AM assuming), then Bulb and AK do not have to be the same scum.

On the Bulba-AK read, he early on has her as null-leaning town, during which he defends her.
He sees a post he considers a scumslip, and following reads after that have Kitty as null-scum, and he spends many posts questioning her.

She responds and then Bulba also fights with you about Kitty, during which his Kitty null-scum read becomes a null (prob-town)-null read.

I can see the logical progression in his posting as his Kitty read evolves. Unless you think he staged that so it looks good when viewed the way I did it, it's probably genuine.

And, I had her as weak town based only on her posts. But Nacho mentioned Khan flip so I went back and looked. Then, I figured why not read Thor also, since we have more flips.

That's when I noticed it.

[PeregrineV]

Well I read through most of the thread and I actually agree with my predecessor's reads. Rena thad and nacho look scummy. AK and desp are null to scum. I know bulba is at L-1 but I'm not sure I want to hammer. If we reach deadline I will hammer but for now I feel he's null. If you have a specific person on whom you'd like me to give specific reads let me know. I'll write more once I'm on a computer

Cool, maybe summarize and break them down, for starters.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Rena/Haylen

[PeregrineV]

I mostly think Thad is scum for his fakeclaim.

Nacho is scummy for trying to push lynches, like the latest one:

PV you wanna vote Rena?

If Rena flips town like she claimed, I'm putting my vote here tomorrow.

You know what? I've reread the last few pages and I do think rena is leaning more town for me.

I think scum is hiding in the current wagons.

Really thinking Seanald and Nacho are scum. I'm changing my vote to:

VOTE: Seanald

because of a lot of things, not the least of which is this gem:

Why didn't you join any of the wagons yesterday penguin, your entire play yesterday boiled down to just posturing.

Since you may offer fresh perspective, is there any correlation to the NK the last two nights and thier dead players positions on AK (5293)?

I ask because when I presented prior evidence of Slandaar-scum and Nacho-scum, I was beaten like a pinata for daring to suggest, and people where verbal about how bad my posting was. This time, out of 14 players, Nero commented on it by tying it to scum-Bulba. So, I'm a little confused and suspicious when the reactions did not occur.

Your thoughts please.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Am Kitty

[PeregrineV]

Bulbazak is at L-2!
Rena is at L-2.

One-Hundred-Thirty-Sixth Votecount

:

(Eighteenth Votecount of Day Four,

AKA, the "Important enough change to warrant a second votecount" votecount.

)

Bulbazak - 6 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Human Destroyer, Rena)

Rena - 6 (Cephrir, Nachomamma8, ffullisade, PeregrineV, Baezu, Desperado)

Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)

Not Voting - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

Day Four's deadline is Wednesday, July 31st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,

Bulbazak

would be lynched.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Bulbazak - 6 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie,

Desperado

, Human Destroyer, Rena)
Rena - 6 (Cephrir, Nachomamma8, ffullisade, PeregrineV, Baezu,

Desperado

)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)

Not Voting - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

Last votecount was page 215, post 5352.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D4

CrashTextDummie: Nero Cain->Bulbazak
Cephrir: Rena->PeregrineV->Rena
Nachomamma8: PeregrineV->Rena
PeregrineV: Nachomamma8->Cephrir->Rena
Nero Cain: Bulbazak
Bacde | Baezu: Nachomamma8->ThAdmiral | Rena
Bulbazak: Nero Cain
Desperado: Amethyst Kitty->PeregrineV->Bulbazak->Rena
penguin_alien: Rena->Unvote->Seanald
Seanald: Bulbazak
ThAdmiral: Bulbazak
Rena: Bulbazak
Amethyst Kitty:
ffullisade: PeregrineV->Rena->PeregrineV->Rena
Human Destroyer: Bulbazak->ThAdmiral->Bulbazak

Spoiler: Vote History D4

On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 07:28a,

Human Destroyer

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 4831.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 10:11a,

Nero Cain

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4832.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 10:15a,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 4833.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 02:24p,

Bulbazak

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4836.
On Wed, Jul 7/10/13 @ 02:33p,

Cephrir

votes

Rena

in post 4838.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 02:26p,

PeregrineV

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 4867.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 05:18p,

Nachomamma8

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4870.
On Thu, Jul 7/11/13 @ 06:04p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4871.
On Fri, Jul 7/12/13 @ 08:38a,

Desperado

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 4879.
On Fri, Jul 7/12/13 @ 08:10p,

ThAdmiral

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4899.
On Sun, Jul 7/14/13 @ 04:25p,

Seanald

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4937.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 00:12a,

penguin_alien

votes

Rena

in post 4942.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 04:10p,

ffullisade

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4960.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 04:15p,

Cephrir

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4961.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 05:05p,

Desperado

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4965.
On Mon, Jul 7/15/13 @ 07:22p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

Bulbazak

in post 4966.
On Wed, Jul 7/17/13 @ 09:30a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

Rena

in post 4998.
On Wed, Jul 7/17/13 @ 04:18p,

Desperado

unvotes

PeregrineV

and votes

Bulbazak

in post 5018.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 09:10a,

Human Destroyer

unvotes

Bulbazak

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 5029.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 12:57p,

Bacde

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 5044.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 01:20p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 5046.
On Thu, Jul 7/18/13 @ 02:41p,

PeregrineV

votes

Cephrir

in post 5051.
On Sat, Jul 7/20/13 @ 07:48a,

Human Destroyer

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Bulbazak

in post 5129.
On Sun, Jul 7/21/13 @ 00:46a,

Cephrir

votes

Rena

in post 5136.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 11:34a,

Rena

votes

Bulbazak

in post 5142.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 01:12p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Rena

in post 5159.
On Mon, Jul 7/22/13 @ 03:16p,

ffullisade

votes

PeregrineV

in post 5200.
On Tue, Jul 7/23/13 @ 01:31a,

penguin_alien

votes

Seanald

in post 5231.
On Tue, Jul 7/23/13 @ 02:43p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 5298.
On Thu, Jul 7/25/13 @ 01:27p,

PeregrineV

votes

Rena

in post 5349.
On Thu, Jul 7/25/13 @ 01:37p,

Baezu

votes

Rena

in post 5350.
On Thu, Jul 7/25/13 @ 03:13p,

Desperado

unvotes

Bulbazak

and votes

Rena

in post 5353.

VOTE: Seanald

Vote: Am Kitty

Also guys, this shit is not cute.

In 15 days, let's sum up your scumhunting:
Cephrir: Rena->PeregrineV->Rena
from 37 posts.

So, make a significant contribution or get vigged.

[PeregrineV]

So it's only scumhunting if I change my vote 7 times?

You can keep your hostility btw.

Not really feeling hostile, but your either scum or town who is not trying.

and scumhunting is evidence---evaluation---evidence---evaluation---etc. I'm not feeling that from you.

[PeregrineV]

[PeregrineV]

back on a monday. still sad.

[PeregrineV]

talk about scum buddies don wanna buss. Ceph would be my first choice in that, penguin would be next, I think he can do a decent job of sounding town and all but he's in a background position and postures his way around nicely, scummy in my eyes.

I have town reads on Fullis, desperado,

nacho keeps me on my toes but I town read him for the most part.

and fuck it I'll just claim this bitch up.

Im a doctor I can protect a person once a night.

So need colors (red or blue) for your two scumreads, then need more, since we have a flip of two blue right now.

And who you protected nights 1-3.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Amethyst Kitty

Bright light?

Vote: Amethyst Kitty

[PeregrineV]

@ thad

come here honey you are starting to worry me a bit.

also why did baezu sub in if all he is going to do is immediately go on v/la and try to lurk out the rest of the game?

no

HELL NO

y'all don't make me use the shouty font

VOTE: baezu

How am I lurking? I've posted at least daily since getting back from V/la. Also, this is Bacde's slot. If you didn't have him as scum it means I'm not scum.

sorry AM. just trying to apply pressure. You're town - you're not getting lynched

Peregrine jumping on the wagon without explanation though is superscummy.

VOTE: Peregrine

It's be mucho cooler if you read my shit as it was posted.

@Bulba-I thought I did multiple times.

Spoiler: Selected postings of Thor chasing Amethyst Kitty

I'm vaguely town-reading Thor

What changed, scumCat?

But, taking this trip through your ISO reminded me that I'm unclear on a majority of your stances on players. Can I get your T-->S list?

I hate those and consider them dumb.
Here are just reads;

1. thezmon221 - null
2. CrashTextDummie [1] - townish leaning a touch null
3. Cephir - null leaning a touch scum
4. Nachomamma8 - townish
5. PeregrineV - Eh, I seem to recall DLG as being scummish - so, scummish.
6. Nero Cain - townish (very ish)
7. Bacde - null
8. EddieFenix - null
9. Bulbazak - town
11. Red Ryu - scummish
12. Syryana - null
13. Desperado - null
14. penguin_alien - null
15. Slandaar - scummy
16. Oversoul - townish
17. Seanald - scummy
18. ThAdmiral - town
19. Haylen - null
20. Kublai Khan - town
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal) - scummy
22. !BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy+pirate mollie) - scummy
23. Om the Destroyer (Human Destroyer+Om of the Nom) - town
24. ArcAngel9 [1] - town

I'd like to know what pushes look Genuine because I havn't really paid attention to KK and I think he looked pretty bad towards the end of the day yesterday

Why?

Amethyst also sidled away from this question.
I know now you're thinking the slot looks townish, or at least less scummish, but I still want this answered.

Not necessarily, I just don't see why you would find him town.

It's gut at the moment, he feels like he's legit working, not fake working.

Yes, it is consistent.

She lies about things she's done to avoid explaining them and fakes emotional breakdowns as town?
Links to any examples?

Let's be peaches together.

Unvote: Haylen
Vote: AmethystKitten

So if you have a townread on me and a scumread on mollie and I'm calling mollie town, that's not a good thing.

I don't really have a legit town read on you.
I have a 'I don't think his bad play is proof he's scum' read on you.
But I'm willing to see the links you'll show me.

Spoiler: Thor Nightkilled

<<< The spirits of the citizens were lifted by them finally making progress, but with night having fallen, they never knew what was in store for them the next day. All the thrilling adventures of bullets flying and corpses falling! Not to mention, that one drunken fool ranting and shouting in a loud voice, wandering about.

"YOU YOUNG RASCALS MOVE TOO QUICKLY! Back in MY day, we could have civilized conversations, and be intuitive about them. Why, even in my inebriated state of mind, I am still twice the man you are! I can hold my liquor, I have standards, and I don't go wasting my money on some trivial things! I am a sexy seductive man, AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT! But I don't let my ego get in the way of CONVERSATION, YE DARN FOOLS. If you had taken your time, MAYBE we could have gotten MORE than just what we did, AND YET you were SO determined to WASTE your lives that YOU RUSHED into WHAAT SHOULDA BEEN SIMMPLE. So I SWEAR TO MY BEARD THAT--"

*piff*

Finally. Something shut him up.

And with that, everyone could get a peaceful night of sleep. Bad things might still be happening, but the future looks bright. Soon, the streets could be cleared of the wretched scum, fellows who could sneak into a house and rob the residents blind without causing any alarm.

...In fact, they're clear of one such fellow, unlucky enough to have been startled by the shouting of a lunatic drunk. In the streets, he was vulnerable to being gunned down. The citizens of the street would rejoice come morning.




...Until they learned that "could sneak in and rob a person blind" doesn't translate into "actually does sneak in and rob a person blind". Certainly this young fellow had sneaked into houses, but not with malevolent intent. An ex-thief who had retired to the streets because they were peaceful, this man was clearly upset to see the things he despised about himself re-lived in front of him from an outside perspective. But the real giveaway that he was no threat? His identity is made clear as

Eddie Fenix

, a teacher...at a police academy. He had turned his life around and been reborn as an upstanding citizen, and thus, was of no threat.

Though not quite as much of an upset, the people are still saddened to learn the method by which the crazy drunkard many of them secretly enjoyed the musings of had been silenced. Shot point-blank with a silencer, Papa

Thor665

lay dead, his horned helmet not offering him the invulnerability of the god (and simultaneously, devil) he claimed to be.

Still, life goes on, and a new day has dawned. What's the worst that could happen?

(Oh, dear...)

>>>

EddieFenix

,

Town Rolecop

,

Shot Night Two

.

Thor665

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Smurfed Night Two

.

Day three dawns with 18 remaining.

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Selected postings of Khan chasing Amethyst Kitty

....really all in one page right in a row, someone is scum here. I lean nacho/Cephrir most.

If you're going to make this (bad) point, why leave off the BeautyAndTheBeast vote? It followed the Cephrir vote and had the same general format {no other comment except vote}.

Why not include the other couple of votes on the same page?

its also likely multiball

How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?

Why did an OS wagon pop up?

He's been the scummiest player all game.

are we seriously Lynching OS? that dude is town as fuck.

If Oversoul flips town. Amethyst Kitty is definite scum. (calling a town flip while doing nothing to prevent it)

Vote Nero, People. There IS An OS Alternative.

Why do you do shit like this? You were voting Oversoul, then you jumped off and are promoting a counter-wagon. All of this without any post by Oversoul? WTF?

If you don't think Oversoul is scum, then why did you vote for him at all?

If you say that this is a hydra miscommunication thing, then one of you seriously needs to drop this game because this sort of shit is ridiculous.

Not defensive, I just have issues with people coming into page 99 of a game and trying to make an argument based on the first 10, acting like they're hot shit as they do.

Why? The first ten pages of the game are where scum are most exposed. They haven't started figuring out how to manipulate people yet.

Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.

But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?

+ why am I not on your town list?

Technically you broke the multiball cherry in Post 1377. Also, the big difference is that you wrote

likely

multiball whereas they said something along the lines of "it might be multiball because I'm too much of a stubborn fool to admit I'm possibly wrong about a scumread". (Paraphrased, of course)

+ you're not on the town list because you haven't stood out as town.

Also, you're really stretching the definition of multiball if you want it to include 5maf+1SK. Multiball is two scum teams.

Still trying to convince Mala of my read, while I do so I'm going to say that this is a clever way to set-up two mislynches.

Calling it "clever" speaks volumes about yourself.

first, I did not " do nothing to prevent it" and I have been calling OS town all game. part of my attack on Nacho was because he was choosing such a terrible target to go after early on

Yes, you've literally been calling Oversoul town all game. Whoop-de-doo. Anyone can post an unexplained stance repeatedly. But if you really, really didn't want Oversoul to be lynched (you've been clearing him with the tenacity of a mason), then you would have explained the town-read. Or made a better case besides going "hey that guy!".

From my vantage point it looks like you're trying to earn townie-brownie points by calling Oversoul a mislynch. And I'm going to deny you.

then there's his interactions with OS. He just recently stated that he felt like he couldn't trust OS for doing the gambit, though when OS initially admitted that it was a gambit,

instead of showing distrust he was actually open to what OS might have learned from it

. The only time he has ever shown any negative emotion towards OS and what he's done with his gambit is when OS wagon started picking up. Before then, he didn't really care about him

Also, how in the world is the above even remotely scummy?

Well, at least you stuck with your second soft claim.

...eh, that post still feels fairly town and I think it flows with the logic of your fakeclaim gambit.

That's null. I called attention to the softclaim when I made a case on him. He had to make it part of the new claim.

Plus he's claiming a role he's had in another game.
Plus he listed the

number

of BP that he is.
Plus he has no credibility since he's a proven liar.

Why are people not on board with this lynch?

I'm curious to see where Amethyst Kitty's line of questioning is going. But not really. They are scum.

Quick, somebody (not Amethyst Kitty) name 5 reads that Amethyst Kitty has.

If you have to ISO, then you have to uncover 10 substantial reads.

Can't be done. Amethyst Kitty is a hydra double-posting nothingness.

---

I'm not bothering reading any Bacde posts until he can post something substantial and not just random braindead tunnelling bullshit.

---

ok so Red kills syr, but why does his team let him?

Oh, Seanald is scum too. He's been playing enough to not WIFOM a NK so strongly. Especially with such open leading questions.

Did anyone get a message from Syryana confirming his alignment? If not then I'm guessing that Seanald-scum or someone in his mafia did.

---

The question remains: What do you think of CTD's claim and its implications?

Didn't you just chastise Seanald for posting IIoA?

---

Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

And Bacde is claiming vig with no kill on the board? I smell bullshit on that one.

---

Though, actually, who was it who was actually telling me that OS's claims didn't make logical sense considering his eventual BP claim?
That person needs to sheep me more, but I want to call them town at this stage.
I sorta think it was KK though...so...meh.

Was me.
I've got a town-read on Haylen right now though. How would you feel if I started an Amethyst Kitty wagon?

I probably will soon, but I want to do some reading first. So probably Monday.

I am referring to KK

and he honestly didn't even bother with us until I started voicing my suspicions on him

You've got that backwards.

1784 - Amethyst Kitty - "Cephrir, Nacho, Ryu, Eddie, and possibly Hanzo are my scum reads."

1809 - Kublai Khan - "Very willing to lynch Day 1: Red Ryu, Oversoul, Amethyst Kitty, Baby Spice"

1868 - Amethyst Kitty - "Will talk to Mala, though I'd be fine with voting Cephrir, KK, Desp, and Ryu, possibly Thor and Nacho"

---

Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

Reminds me:
What do people (not just KK, but KK can answer too) are the chances that at least one, if not two, of the neighborhoods are town-scum neighborhoods? I personally would say the chances are pretty good.

It's still out-guess the mod territory. And I've played with the mod in a multiball Large Normal with all-town neighborhoods. Treat as VT and scum-hunt normally.
---

@People paying any attention at all to the Vig claim -

Eh, we just lynched someone for lying about a claim. Who in their right mind fakeclaims after that?

Thezmon I saw as a link to scumcho, since he was the one being THE MOST fency and weird about me voting for nacho. So I strung him up. But he flipped blue--the only natural conclusion I could make, that continued my train of thought of the thezmon-nacho link, was to assume that nacho is indeed bluescum.

This is actually pretty easy to follow

Eh. It's more like you've already got the conclusion that Nachomamma8 is scum and you just followed whatever course it takes to re-reach that conclusion.

----

actually

VOTE: KK

I want this. His justification for Bacde scum looks like a reach and him not following through on the Kitty scum read after the toasty flip leads me to believe that he didn't really didn't really believe in that in the first place which means he probably was, in fact, looking to go after two mislynches.

Thing is, if we were town, based on what he has stated on us yesterday us not posting much should have triggered suspicion on his part. He hasn't even mentioned us at all today. He needs to die.

Toasty flip? WTF are you talking about? You mean Oversoul?

Do you maybe remember that there was a "blue mafia" flip at the start of the next day? Do you think maybe that was a bit of a game-changer? That maybe I had to reconsider things a little?

This game still has so many players that I haven't really conducted any deep-seated analysis. If I see activity from Bacde at the start of Day 3 that makes me want to shine a light on it and question it, then that's what I'll do.

I still find you quite scummy. Same with penguin_alien. I'll pursue the case when I'm good and ready to write it out properly.

tl;dr - Calm yo tits.
--

Still waiting on Rena to claim those results...

She already claimed them.

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

You really want to go 1 on 1?

Okay. This is the perfect time to do it.

Vote: Amethyst Kitty

Reasons for suspecting Amethyst Kitty:

Early stuff:
> Unvoting without revoting in pre-game RVS.
--- This is strictly a move of appeasement and buddying.
> Post 900: Strong reaction against Red Ryu trying todirect night actions, but never spoke a word against anyone else doing stuff like vig-directing.
--- Fun Fact: Red Ryu flipped scum.

Oversoul stuff:
> Doing nothing to try to push any counter-wagons to Oversoul or stop his lynch in any way until I called her out on it.
--- After that, she started up a case on EddieFenix, which indicates to me that she knows I had a very legitimate point and changed her actions accordingly.

OMGUS! and now stuff
> Ignores me until I put her on a scum list. Then I magically end up on her scum list.
> Calls me out on OMGUSing her
> Drops it, but still keeps me high on her scum list.
> Makes a case on why I'm scummy, but refers to nothing that occured previous to first reason for calling me scummy
--- Smells like a reads first, justification later type of activity. Which she's been doing all game.
--- Also doing the bullshit hydra thing of "oh, my partner had a x-read, I'll let them explain" "...." <- No explanation or anything ever given

I don't do 1vs1 get over yourself. 1vs1 don't help anyone in my mind and sometimes are used as a scum advantage because it gets everyone so wrapped up in it and people forget to hunt.

Wait, what? You called me scummy and vote for me when there's a wagon on thAdmiral going on. But when that wagon disintegrates and I vote you back, you back off?

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

Bacade stfu. You aren't fucking obv town. So just stfu.

How is Bacde both "not remotely scummy"

and

"not fucking obvtown" at the same time?

1) though, if you want to look at someone who is badly pushing at Bacde that is scum I would look at Khan because of the fact that not only does he push Bacde terribly, be had better pushes to go after, pushes that he apparently believed in but suddenly dropped for him.

2) I am also under the impression that he is a better player than this.

3) I also find it strange that he pins CTD as super-obvious town, but he doesn't give Bacde the exact same extension even though he's done a shit-load for town with his "anti-town" play.

4) His case on Oversoul was just as bad, if not worse than yours

5) his other cases are just as shitty

6) he made a shallow case on us based on Oversoul flipping town, doesn't pursue it.

7) when I originally bring up my scum read on him, all he does is ask if anyone remembers our reads and, in doing such discrediting us

8) we

were

scummy enough to warrant a wagon, though he doesn't really initiate it but waits to see if others would do it first

9) Sheeps onto Thez, because of what Bacde said who he currently finds scummy...

10) I had to actually PUSH him to make a case on he, and all the things he is calling me out on has very shallow thought processes to them.

11) alot of his reasons for things are just as, even his reasons for why he thinks people are town.

1) "Badly" is a useless judgement call to make in a mafia game. Were my points bad? Was the timing bad? It sounds like you just hate my choice of targets which, given that we have a named mafia group (i.e. probably multiball), there is no evidence that Bacde isn't a non-blue scum.

2) Really? A burden of proficiency fallacy as your second point?

3) CrashTextDummie is breaking things point rationally and in a way that I can understand his thought process. Bacde spends 75 pages calling Nachomamma8 scum with little reasoning, then "Squirrel!" they are voting together for someone. Then back to calling Nachomamma8 scum. I don't understand Bacde and he's very reluctant to explain himself. So he doesn't get the same town-points that CrashTextDummie gets.

4) Again. "Bad". Well, your case on me is bad. Damn, that's much easier to say something is bad instead of saying something substantial.

5) Ooh, "shitty". What a vocab!

6) Sorry, was busy lynching your scum-buddy Red Ryu the next day.

7) No, I specifically addressed the fact that your scum-read on me is based on nothing but OMGUS. You

still

haven't given an alternative explanation for why I ever ended up on your scumlist.

8) WTF?

9) Are you calling me scummy for lynching scum?

10) So shallow that you haven't bothered to refute or provide alternative explanations?

11) Oh shit, did you forget to write "bad" there? That's the lynchpin of your whole case! You can't be forgetting that word!

Summary:

When I replaced in, I found four players to be very scummy when reading: (Oversoul, Red Ryu, you, and Baby Spice/penguin_alien). I only have one vote and it's incredibly inefficient to make four simultaneous cases. So Day 1 I pushed a case on Oversoul. After Day 2 started, Bacde made a good case on thezmon221, so you got put on the back burner a little longer. Day 3, Bacde opened with some posts that rubbed me the wrong way because his logic doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Since he is a very active player, I made on case on him and

even he acknowledged that my case had a lot of merit

. Then the ThAdmiral case started up. I didn't agree with it, but I didn't have any reason to debunk it either. So I spent some time questioning it. Then that crumbled, so it was suddenly the perfect time to put my cards on the table about why I find you scummy.

Besides the fact that I'm "bad" and saying "bad" things. The entirety of your case seems to revolve on the fact that I didn't drop everything and try to constantly ineffectually get you lynched no matter what else is happening in the game. You seem absolutely mystified about the concept of a back-burner. I think this exposes that you've really only been skimming the thread and looking for mentions of your name so you can try to defuse any potential wagon before they start. Like scum does. Because you're scum and that's bad.

Khan, Red Ryu was killed at night... not lynched the next day... you just admitted to killing him. thanks for that.

I meant thezmon221, not Red Ryu.

I am not calling you scummy for lynching scum, I'm calling you scummy for attacking the leader of that day's scum lynch

YOU ADMIT THAT WE WERE A TOP SCUM-READ, YET YOU GO AFTER BACDE TODAY WHO LED THE LYNCH ON SCUM.

You proved the central argument of my case.

we were a scummier read to you all game, but you pursue Bacde today over us until I called you out on it. Bacde who lead the wagon on scum yesterday despite being under heavy attack. why?

That is the ONLY argument to your case and I've answered it 3 separate times (here, here, and here). You don't care. You literally do not care. So why do you keep asking "why?" as if you're scum-hunting?

and yes, you did try to subtly discredit us. I mean, what else would the whole "quick, who can tell me who are their reads" thing could be, especially when I'm attacking you.

You aren't even addressing my points, just throwing them off to the side... again

You were going around asking "Hey, why do you have a town read on KK?". I'm glad that you're acknowledging that that was an attack and not some sort of legitimate attempt to scum-hunt.

WTF? I addressed EVERY SINGLE ONE of your points. Try actually reading my posts. You've addressed nothing of what I've wrote. Not even a flat-out denial. Literally the closest thing you've done to addressing anything I've written it a 3 letter word. And I can actually use the word "literally" correctly.

Yeah that is pretty weak, in Khan's mind all three of you are bluescum so it's not really an outrageous mistake. Certainly not a freudian slip.

No, he's called us scum, but I don't thinks he's inferred that we are bluescum

Except when I showed that you were coaching blue-scum Red Ryu. You really haven't read a single thing I've posted, have you? Dingos monkey dishwasher fartfart. Doesn't even matter what I type right here at all.

Mala's tantrum and the followup by Mara feel very town to me, which is the first time since d1 that they have been townreading so strongly.

I'm stunned that someone can completely dodge a case; hell, not even appear to read it. Instead attack some random other people, say the word "psychological" a few times to sound smart then put on a little drama show and people call them town.

Bravo scummy heads of Amethyst Kitty. I'm actually impressed.

and no, you didn't answer that part of the argument you only reacted to it to make it look like you did. The only thing that resembles an answer would be the first post and even that one was

"you're scummy but I don't want to deal with you yet" kinda post. You don't just put your top scum-read on the back burner like that. just, no.

Okay, this is going to be revolutionary, so hold on to your seat. Mafia teams have

more

than one member. I'll give you a moment to process that idea.

So even if I think that you're scummy, I may put that aside for a moment if someone else is in the spotlight, because (*gasp*) they might also be scum. Insane, right? I might be trying to figure out the alignment of more than one person at a time.

Also, being that there are so many players in this game, I will react first to what's immediately happening instead of just random old stuff. So when Day 3 started and Bacde posted completely opposite reasoning for why he wanted Nachomamma8 lynched, I called him out on it. BECAUSE IT JUST HAPPENED. I really don't care that he was pivotal in lynching thezmon221 BECAUSE ALL SIGNS ARE POINTING TO A MULTIBALL SETUP. I'm typing stuff in caps BECAUSE ITS THE FOURTH TIME I'VE EXPLAINED IT TO YOU AND YOU'RE STILL POSTING DITZY BRAINDEAD CRAP LIKE:

you left us and went after bacde because Thez flipped Blue scum?

--

and I have read your post, and I have responded to you.

Link it. Is it that post where you call it "bad" four times? Because that's not a response.

Amazingly suspect timing. When Amethyst Kitty gets 7 out of 10 votes and is clearly scum, you suddenly decide to start a counter-wagon. You need to bring something more substantial to the table than "meh" and "Fuck it".

Explain to me in one sentence why ak is "clearly scum".

This reeks of an "I don't give a shit about your case" attitude.

Here.

--
@penguin_alien - I guessing that mastin2 listed Thor665 as "smurfed" instead of shot because it's "funny".

<<< This is correct. The Important Links post lists the correct flavor of "shot". >>>

So.. Back to lynching Amethyst Kitty?

I think you are red scum and there is someone on your team who is coaching you

Are you suggesting that the red scum team has day talk?

It's official. Bulbazak isn't scum. Same for ffullisade.

I'm not feeling an AK scum. It seems too easy.

I could easily see Seanald as scum ie lurking through most of the days to the extent I forget he's actually playing this game, coming in to bandwagon that sort of thing.

Easy? Pfft. The people on the Amethyst Kitty wagon were townier than those making excuses to stay off it.

If you want an easy wagon, look at Seanald. It's super-easy to wagon the guy that isn't putting up much of a fight.

Wrong. You get something from the lynch, but it's nor what you desired. You still get information, but it's using that information to your advantage.

Second time Amethyst Kitty has encouraged a wagon on someone that they aren't voting.

It's still a scum move.

what's the town motivation of setting up mislynches in the way Khan did because I can't really think of any.

Except I didn't "set up a mislynch". I pointed out that it's a scum move to say stuff like "hey, oversoul is town guys", and do

nothing

to prevent the lynch. No arguments, no counter-wagons, no show of town-tells, no meta arguments. Nuh-thang.

Except

after

I said that to tried to start a counter-wagon on EddieFenix. Because you knew that I was dead-on right.

Khan I take it you agree with my reservations re: the seanald wagon?

I do.

Kk:

I been told that if I move the vote its going right back on you. I'd vote Seanald, but I'm not allowed, but good job on trying to twist a conversation to your benefit.

Yet other people are saying so and so are scum, but you're not saying jack shit to them for not voting.

"twist a conversation"? WTF? It's one of the things about you I called scummy back in post 3770.

And calling someone town while not stopping their lynch IS COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DIFFERENT from saying "so and so is scum" and not voting. Only scum would try to play dumb and not understand that.

So we are back to this argument again? You need to let it freaken go I swear. This ISN'T helping anyone and certainly helping scum more by engaging in this useless tunneling behavior.

Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

---
Just reminding everyone that Amethyst Kitty is still scum.

I'm behind and reading.

Spoiler: Thor Nightkilled

Massive apologies for the delay. I should have set the deadline for Monday where I could have started day (close to) on time. My appointment left me quite a bit late. Sorry.

<<< High spirits might not be in plentiful supply, but the citizens are determined not to let that get in their way. I mean, looking outside, it's such a lovely day and night. The weather's gorgeous, there's no clouds, the stars the moon the sun are all shining, and it looks like things will be nice and

*BAM*

...Nice and bright. Sure, there may be a lot of bad things going on, but life would recover sooner or later. There's plenty to look forward to! If they would survive, the citizens would have a lot left to thrive on. The violence in the streets might be insane, but not a challenge impossible to beat. They may be up against demons, and they're not exactly angels themselves, but surely, they can manage to win. They're all happy to

*BAM*

*ahem*

All happy to be a part of this lovely city.

Come daybreak, they knew there would be casualties, but they didn't expect what they were going to see. Dead in her house was the purest of them: she had been sweet, innocent, young, and perhaps naive, which would make the loss of their dear little angel all the more of a tragedy.

ArcAngel9

was not a threat, yet clearly her death was meant as a message.

At the other side of town, the next dead body is found next to his van:

Kublai Khan

has been shot. But...why the heck was he driving a van in the middle of the night? Looking inside reveals the contents of the van: it's clearly meant more as a party van, because there's a luxurious couch along with alcohol and several drugs. But wait...what else is there? Knockout gas? Restraints to tie people? Hmm, maybe looking at the couch closer to see what's on it would b--EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWW, gross!

...NOBODY should have to see that. "Party Van" indeed. Just not the type of party half the members 'invited' to would enjoy.

...Despite the depravity present, searching for any connections to the mafia turns up nothing. No weapons, no notes. He was a harmless wisecracking guy who just so happened to have a dark side--which, given the nature of these findings, was probably meant to be used for good. >>>

ArcAngel9

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Killed Night Three

.

Kublai Khan

,

Town Jailkeeper

,

Killed Night Three

.

Day Four!

Deadline for Day Four is Wednesday, July 31st, at 12:30 PM, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).
With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

But, here it is again.
Read it.
Refute it.
Explain it away.
whatever.

<<< Double-post deleted. >>>

[PeregrineV]

Ones I'm going to go out on a limb and call town:
18.

ArcAngel9

6. Bacde (roflcopter)
7. Bulbazak - I thought this was the Bulb hydra. I'll have to look him opver again.
8. Desperado
12. ThAdmiral (ActionDan, Hanzo_5)
13.

Rena(/Haylen) (fuzzybutternut)

15. Amethyst Kitty [hydra]

Probably town:
5.

Nero Cain

9. penguin_alien (Baby Spice)
2. Cephrir

Null: Kiss my ass. This is 185 page game- there are no nulls at this point.

<<< I admit it, I lol'd. >>>

Slight suspicions on:
14.

Kublai Khan (Rondar)

16. ffullisade [hydra]
17. Human Destroyer (Om the Destroyer [hydra])
1. CrashTextDummie

Strongly leaning scum:
10.

Slandaar

11.

Seanald

3. Nachomamma8

I also like the concept of a killer per neighborhood. I guess there could be 6 town neighbors in a 24 player game, but does anyone believe that?

no. I used to auto town read neighbors 'cause I was in so many games where the neighbors would read each other as scum that mods probs started doing town-town neighborhoods just to fuck with town.

What you are suggesting is that 3 of the 6 neighbors are scum which...just holy chain lynching batman. I deff think that all 6 neighbors aren't town. I also think its a good possibility that 1 hood could contain more than 1 scum.

Actually, I think ThAd is the vig, and there is a red scum in another neighborhood and a blue scum in another neighborhood.

So if you do PoE now PereV why aren't you going after CTD instead of us?

The day is young. I presented a case yesterday, you get 2 votes today, I figured someone read the thread over night.

If you know you are town and you think ThAd is town. Slandaar flipped town, Seanald flipped scum. Despo is probably not scum. Which just leaves CTD,

Yeah, ThAd is shaking that read, hard core, esp after last night's conversation.

Do you have an actual case on CTD or do you just want to use me as a proxy for getting him lynched?

[PeregrineV]

Paraphrase the conversation please

....

....

....

[PeregrineV]

Alright, I'm a bit burnt out from reading about 25-26 pages, so I'll pick it up later (as in, in an hour or two probably). I suppose I'll give a general list of my reads on everyone. I'm not going to include a basis for them, and probably won't provide it right now because I've only read half the game thus far and will probably have another 5-10 pages by the time I read page 54. It's not in any particular order.

Spoiler: Reads

TOWN

ArcAngel

BeautyAndTheBeast
Cephrir

Slandaar

DLG
Bulbazak

Red Ryu

Amethyst Kitty

NULL
CrashTextDummie

Nero Cain

Bacde

Seanald

Om The Destroyer
Baby Spice
Desperado

Syryana
Kublai Khan

SCUM

fuzzybutternut
Oversoul

Nachomomma8
ActionDan

EddieFenix
Thor665

Just about all of my reads are pretty weak. I'll have a good feeling for the game hopefully before I actually hit this page.

Alright so won't lie I been using this to try and figure out who's on his team and who's not and who's on the other team.

I think your analysis got deleted.

I think I told Mara that his other team mate is probably in Nulls and maybe town list.

Also PereV has been hunting for "red" mafia all game rather than hunting for both mafia scum teams. At first he started out hunting for "blue scum" and ignoring red, but now he has moved onto red scum hunting.

Interesting. Seanald flipped red scum last night. How would I look for red scum prior to his flip?

[PeregrineV]

Obviously I don't remember you mentioning the conversation before so a quote, link, or page number would have been a more effective response than a bunch of ellipses

No, I wanted to accurately reflect the conversation.

Maybe this will help.

Me: Hello?
Me: Hello?
Me:

[PeregrineV]

Don't misrep me. I never said I wanted CTD lynched. if I did my vote would be on him which it isn't.

I don't see how you

aren't

following PoE and going by your own reads if you think there's still scum left over in the 'hoods.

Redscum gonna make some good points about bluescum.

Why are AK and Pere both still alive?

Why

would

scum keep me alive?

[PeregrineV]

Seriously pere do you think I have no reason to think you might possibly be scum? Do you think it would be wise or unwise of me to discuss nightkill choices with you (not that it makes any difference since I keep getting blocked).

Actually, I don't. And Seanld's flip of a scum power role inside a neighborhood worries me even more.

And you are not avoiding discussion of nightkill choices, you are avoiding discussing anything at all. I gave extensive reads and reasons, and you gave me nothing. Then you semi-agree, but claim to shoot a townread of mine anyway.

So, in detail, using this thread and the QT (paraphrased), why do you think I'm scum?

[PeregrineV]

WRT ThAd being a vig, yes, it could be a scum gambit, but in that case I'd expect him to kiss up to his neighbor instead of being paranoid of PV being scum. Ignoring him in the night phase doesn't seem like scum playing a role. He'd want to work on convincing PV he was a vig rather than alienating him.

I was already convinced when I first replaced in. It's current events that are the issue.

Previous game where I neighorized ThAd, and he was scum.
http://preview.quicktopic.com/48/H/b4RRSPqNCaRR

Maybe someone not as close to the issue can take a look and give opinions.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=23219

[PeregrineV]

Don't misrep me. I never said I wanted CTD lynched. if I did my vote would be on him which it isn't.

I don't see how you

aren't

following PoE and going by your own reads if you think there's still scum left over in the 'hoods.

The hoods are CTD, Desp, and ThAd. I think one may be blue.

That leaves 1 or 0 blue and 2 or 3 red out of

3. Cephir
4. Nachomamma8
7. Bacde
9. Bulbazak
14. penguin_alien
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal)
22. ffullisade (fferylit+pirate mollie)
23. Human Destroyer

So, why would I not do both?

[PeregrineV]

Exactly. You ARE scum, that's why you're alive.

Also, if I were scum, I would just jump on a wagon and try to hide in other people's votes. Scum tend to agree with easy wagons and lynches. I have had my own opinions. Maybe my case on PV isn't great, but I do believe he's scum.

Like ffery said - read my other meta - I suck at this game as town for whatever reason. My reads, contrary to my posts, tend to be pretty accurate, though.

Uh, you realize there are 2 scumteams, right?

If I'm on the other scumteam, why let me live?

If I'm town, why let me live?

And if your case is "Because you are alive." then I'm not buying it.

[PeregrineV]

I think AK might be scum. It seems that suspcion on her results in the players death.

Spoiler: Selected postings of Thor chasing Amethyst Kitty

I'm vaguely town-reading Thor

What changed, scumCat?

But, taking this trip through your ISO reminded me that I'm unclear on a majority of your stances on players. Can I get your T-->S list?

I hate those and consider them dumb.
Here are just reads;

1. thezmon221 - null
2. CrashTextDummie [1] - townish leaning a touch null
3. Cephir - null leaning a touch scum
4. Nachomamma8 - townish
5. PeregrineV - Eh, I seem to recall DLG as being scummish - so, scummish.
6. Nero Cain - townish (very ish)
7. Bacde - null
8. EddieFenix - null
9. Bulbazak - town
11. Red Ryu - scummish
12. Syryana - null
13. Desperado - null
14. penguin_alien - null
15. Slandaar - scummy
16. Oversoul - townish
17. Seanald - scummy
18. ThAdmiral - town
19. Haylen - null
20. Kublai Khan - town
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal) - scummy
22. !BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy+pirate mollie) - scummy
23. Om the Destroyer (Human Destroyer+Om of the Nom) - town
24. ArcAngel9 [1] - town

I'd like to know what pushes look Genuine because I havn't really paid attention to KK and I think he looked pretty bad towards the end of the day yesterday

Why?

Amethyst also sidled away from this question.
I know now you're thinking the slot looks townish, or at least less scummish, but I still want this answered.

Not necessarily, I just don't see why you would find him town.

It's gut at the moment, he feels like he's legit working, not fake working.

Yes, it is consistent.

She lies about things she's done to avoid explaining them and fakes emotional breakdowns as town?
Links to any examples?

Let's be peaches together.

Unvote: Haylen
Vote: AmethystKitten

So if you have a townread on me and a scumread on mollie and I'm calling mollie town, that's not a good thing.

I don't really have a legit town read on you.
I have a 'I don't think his bad play is proof he's scum' read on you.
But I'm willing to see the links you'll show me.

Spoiler: Thor Nightkilled

<<< The spirits of the citizens were lifted by them finally making progress, but with night having fallen, they never knew what was in store for them the next day. All the thrilling adventures of bullets flying and corpses falling! Not to mention, that one drunken fool ranting and shouting in a loud voice, wandering about.

"YOU YOUNG RASCALS MOVE TOO QUICKLY! Back in MY day, we could have civilized conversations, and be intuitive about them. Why, even in my inebriated state of mind, I am still twice the man you are! I can hold my liquor, I have standards, and I don't go wasting my money on some trivial things! I am a sexy seductive man, AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT! But I don't let my ego get in the way of CONVERSATION, YE DARN FOOLS. If you had taken your time, MAYBE we could have gotten MORE than just what we did, AND YET you were SO determined to WASTE your lives that YOU RUSHED into WHAAT SHOULDA BEEN SIMMPLE. So I SWEAR TO MY BEARD THAT--"

*piff*

Finally. Something shut him up.

And with that, everyone could get a peaceful night of sleep. Bad things might still be happening, but the future looks bright. Soon, the streets could be cleared of the wretched scum, fellows who could sneak into a house and rob the residents blind without causing any alarm.

...In fact, they're clear of one such fellow, unlucky enough to have been startled by the shouting of a lunatic drunk. In the streets, he was vulnerable to being gunned down. The citizens of the street would rejoice come morning.




...Until they learned that "could sneak in and rob a person blind" doesn't translate into "actually does sneak in and rob a person blind". Certainly this young fellow had sneaked into houses, but not with malevolent intent. An ex-thief who had retired to the streets because they were peaceful, this man was clearly upset to see the things he despised about himself re-lived in front of him from an outside perspective. But the real giveaway that he was no threat? His identity is made clear as

Eddie Fenix

, a teacher...at a police academy. He had turned his life around and been reborn as an upstanding citizen, and thus, was of no threat.

Though not quite as much of an upset, the people are still saddened to learn the method by which the crazy drunkard many of them secretly enjoyed the musings of had been silenced. Shot point-blank with a silencer, Papa

Thor665

lay dead, his horned helmet not offering him the invulnerability of the god (and simultaneously, devil) he claimed to be.

Still, life goes on, and a new day has dawned. What's the worst that could happen?

(Oh, dear...)

>>>

EddieFenix

,

Town Rolecop

,

Shot Night Two

.

Thor665

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Smurfed Night Two

.

Day three dawns with 18 remaining.

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Selected postings of Khan chasing Amethyst Kitty

....really all in one page right in a row, someone is scum here. I lean nacho/Cephrir most.

If you're going to make this (bad) point, why leave off the BeautyAndTheBeast vote? It followed the Cephrir vote and had the same general format {no other comment except vote}.

Why not include the other couple of votes on the same page?

its also likely multiball

How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?

Why did an OS wagon pop up?

He's been the scummiest player all game.

are we seriously Lynching OS? that dude is town as fuck.

If Oversoul flips town. Amethyst Kitty is definite scum. (calling a town flip while doing nothing to prevent it)

Vote Nero, People. There IS An OS Alternative.

Why do you do shit like this? You were voting Oversoul, then you jumped off and are promoting a counter-wagon. All of this without any post by Oversoul? WTF?

If you don't think Oversoul is scum, then why did you vote for him at all?

If you say that this is a hydra miscommunication thing, then one of you seriously needs to drop this game because this sort of shit is ridiculous.

Not defensive, I just have issues with people coming into page 99 of a game and trying to make an argument based on the first 10, acting like they're hot shit as they do.

Why? The first ten pages of the game are where scum are most exposed. They haven't started figuring out how to manipulate people yet.

Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.

But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?

+ why am I not on your town list?

Technically you broke the multiball cherry in Post 1377. Also, the big difference is that you wrote

likely

multiball whereas they said something along the lines of "it might be multiball because I'm too much of a stubborn fool to admit I'm possibly wrong about a scumread". (Paraphrased, of course)

+ you're not on the town list because you haven't stood out as town.

Also, you're really stretching the definition of multiball if you want it to include 5maf+1SK. Multiball is two scum teams.

Still trying to convince Mala of my read, while I do so I'm going to say that this is a clever way to set-up two mislynches.

Calling it "clever" speaks volumes about yourself.

first, I did not " do nothing to prevent it" and I have been calling OS town all game. part of my attack on Nacho was because he was choosing such a terrible target to go after early on

Yes, you've literally been calling Oversoul town all game. Whoop-de-doo. Anyone can post an unexplained stance repeatedly. But if you really, really didn't want Oversoul to be lynched (you've been clearing him with the tenacity of a mason), then you would have explained the town-read. Or made a better case besides going "hey that guy!".

From my vantage point it looks like you're trying to earn townie-brownie points by calling Oversoul a mislynch. And I'm going to deny you.

then there's his interactions with OS. He just recently stated that he felt like he couldn't trust OS for doing the gambit, though when OS initially admitted that it was a gambit,

instead of showing distrust he was actually open to what OS might have learned from it

. The only time he has ever shown any negative emotion towards OS and what he's done with his gambit is when OS wagon started picking up. Before then, he didn't really care about him

Also, how in the world is the above even remotely scummy?

Well, at least you stuck with your second soft claim.

...eh, that post still feels fairly town and I think it flows with the logic of your fakeclaim gambit.

That's null. I called attention to the softclaim when I made a case on him. He had to make it part of the new claim.

Plus he's claiming a role he's had in another game.
Plus he listed the

number

of BP that he is.
Plus he has no credibility since he's a proven liar.

Why are people not on board with this lynch?

I'm curious to see where Amethyst Kitty's line of questioning is going. But not really. They are scum.

Quick, somebody (not Amethyst Kitty) name 5 reads that Amethyst Kitty has.

If you have to ISO, then you have to uncover 10 substantial reads.

Can't be done. Amethyst Kitty is a hydra double-posting nothingness.

---

I'm not bothering reading any Bacde posts until he can post something substantial and not just random braindead tunnelling bullshit.

---

ok so Red kills syr, but why does his team let him?

Oh, Seanald is scum too. He's been playing enough to not WIFOM a NK so strongly. Especially with such open leading questions.

Did anyone get a message from Syryana confirming his alignment? If not then I'm guessing that Seanald-scum or someone in his mafia did.

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The question remains: What do you think of CTD's claim and its implications?

Didn't you just chastise Seanald for posting IIoA?

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Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

And Bacde is claiming vig with no kill on the board? I smell bullshit on that one.

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Though, actually, who was it who was actually telling me that OS's claims didn't make logical sense considering his eventual BP claim?
That person needs to sheep me more, but I want to call them town at this stage.
I sorta think it was KK though...so...meh.

Was me.
I've got a town-read on Haylen right now though. How would you feel if I started an Amethyst Kitty wagon?

I probably will soon, but I want to do some reading first. So probably Monday.

I am referring to KK

and he honestly didn't even bother with us until I started voicing my suspicions on him

You've got that backwards.

1784 - Amethyst Kitty - "Cephrir, Nacho, Ryu, Eddie, and possibly Hanzo are my scum reads."

1809 - Kublai Khan - "Very willing to lynch Day 1: Red Ryu, Oversoul, Amethyst Kitty, Baby Spice"

1868 - Amethyst Kitty - "Will talk to Mala, though I'd be fine with voting Cephrir, KK, Desp, and Ryu, possibly Thor and Nacho"

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Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

Reminds me:
What do people (not just KK, but KK can answer too) are the chances that at least one, if not two, of the neighborhoods are town-scum neighborhoods? I personally would say the chances are pretty good.

It's still out-guess the mod territory. And I've played with the mod in a multiball Large Normal with all-town neighborhoods. Treat as VT and scum-hunt normally.
---

@People paying any attention at all to the Vig claim -

Eh, we just lynched someone for lying about a claim. Who in their right mind fakeclaims after that?

Thezmon I saw as a link to scumcho, since he was the one being THE MOST fency and weird about me voting for nacho. So I strung him up. But he flipped blue--the only natural conclusion I could make, that continued my train of thought of the thezmon-nacho link, was to assume that nacho is indeed bluescum.

This is actually pretty easy to follow

Eh. It's more like you've already got the conclusion that Nachomamma8 is scum and you just followed whatever course it takes to re-reach that conclusion.

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actually

VOTE: KK

I want this. His justification for Bacde scum looks like a reach and him not following through on the Kitty scum read after the toasty flip leads me to believe that he didn't really didn't really believe in that in the first place which means he probably was, in fact, looking to go after two mislynches.

Thing is, if we were town, based on what he has stated on us yesterday us not posting much should have triggered suspicion on his part. He hasn't even mentioned us at all today. He needs to die.

Toasty flip? WTF are you talking about? You mean Oversoul?

Do you maybe remember that there was a "blue mafia" flip at the start of the next day? Do you think maybe that was a bit of a game-changer? That maybe I had to reconsider things a little?

This game still has so many players that I haven't really conducted any deep-seated analysis. If I see activity from Bacde at the start of Day 3 that makes me want to shine a light on it and question it, then that's what I'll do.

I still find you quite scummy. Same with penguin_alien. I'll pursue the case when I'm good and ready to write it out properly.

tl;dr - Calm yo tits.
--

Still waiting on Rena to claim those results...

She already claimed them.

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

You really want to go 1 on 1?

Okay. This is the perfect time to do it.

Vote: Amethyst Kitty

Reasons for suspecting Amethyst Kitty:

Early stuff:
> Unvoting without revoting in pre-game RVS.
--- This is strictly a move of appeasement and buddying.
> Post 900: Strong reaction against Red Ryu trying todirect night actions, but never spoke a word against anyone else doing stuff like vig-directing.
--- Fun Fact: Red Ryu flipped scum.

Oversoul stuff:
> Doing nothing to try to push any counter-wagons to Oversoul or stop his lynch in any way until I called her out on it.
--- After that, she started up a case on EddieFenix, which indicates to me that she knows I had a very legitimate point and changed her actions accordingly.

OMGUS! and now stuff
> Ignores me until I put her on a scum list. Then I magically end up on her scum list.
> Calls me out on OMGUSing her
> Drops it, but still keeps me high on her scum list.
> Makes a case on why I'm scummy, but refers to nothing that occured previous to first reason for calling me scummy
--- Smells like a reads first, justification later type of activity. Which she's been doing all game.
--- Also doing the bullshit hydra thing of "oh, my partner had a x-read, I'll let them explain" "...." <- No explanation or anything ever given

I don't do 1vs1 get over yourself. 1vs1 don't help anyone in my mind and sometimes are used as a scum advantage because it gets everyone so wrapped up in it and people forget to hunt.

Wait, what? You called me scummy and vote for me when there's a wagon on thAdmiral going on. But when that wagon disintegrates and I vote you back, you back off?

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

Bacade stfu. You aren't fucking obv town. So just stfu.

How is Bacde both "not remotely scummy"

and

"not fucking obvtown" at the same time?

1) though, if you want to look at someone who is badly pushing at Bacde that is scum I would look at Khan because of the fact that not only does he push Bacde terribly, be had better pushes to go after, pushes that he apparently believed in but suddenly dropped for him.

2) I am also under the impression that he is a better player than this.

3) I also find it strange that he pins CTD as super-obvious town, but he doesn't give Bacde the exact same extension even though he's done a shit-load for town with his "anti-town" play.

4) His case on Oversoul was just as bad, if not worse than yours

5) his other cases are just as shitty

6) he made a shallow case on us based on Oversoul flipping town, doesn't pursue it.

7) when I originally bring up my scum read on him, all he does is ask if anyone remembers our reads and, in doing such discrediting us

8) we

were

scummy enough to warrant a wagon, though he doesn't really initiate it but waits to see if others would do it first

9) Sheeps onto Thez, because of what Bacde said who he currently finds scummy...

10) I had to actually PUSH him to make a case on he, and all the things he is calling me out on has very shallow thought processes to them.

11) alot of his reasons for things are just as, even his reasons for why he thinks people are town.

1) "Badly" is a useless judgement call to make in a mafia game. Were my points bad? Was the timing bad? It sounds like you just hate my choice of targets which, given that we have a named mafia group (i.e. probably multiball), there is no evidence that Bacde isn't a non-blue scum.

2) Really? A burden of proficiency fallacy as your second point?

3) CrashTextDummie is breaking things point rationally and in a way that I can understand his thought process. Bacde spends 75 pages calling Nachomamma8 scum with little reasoning, then "Squirrel!" they are voting together for someone. Then back to calling Nachomamma8 scum. I don't understand Bacde and he's very reluctant to explain himself. So he doesn't get the same town-points that CrashTextDummie gets.

4) Again. "Bad". Well, your case on me is bad. Damn, that's much easier to say something is bad instead of saying something substantial.

5) Ooh, "shitty". What a vocab!

6) Sorry, was busy lynching your scum-buddy Red Ryu the next day.

7) No, I specifically addressed the fact that your scum-read on me is based on nothing but OMGUS. You

still

haven't given an alternative explanation for why I ever ended up on your scumlist.

8) WTF?

9) Are you calling me scummy for lynching scum?

10) So shallow that you haven't bothered to refute or provide alternative explanations?

11) Oh shit, did you forget to write "bad" there? That's the lynchpin of your whole case! You can't be forgetting that word!

Summary:

When I replaced in, I found four players to be very scummy when reading: (Oversoul, Red Ryu, you, and Baby Spice/penguin_alien). I only have one vote and it's incredibly inefficient to make four simultaneous cases. So Day 1 I pushed a case on Oversoul. After Day 2 started, Bacde made a good case on thezmon221, so you got put on the back burner a little longer. Day 3, Bacde opened with some posts that rubbed me the wrong way because his logic doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Since he is a very active player, I made on case on him and

even he acknowledged that my case had a lot of merit

. Then the ThAdmiral case started up. I didn't agree with it, but I didn't have any reason to debunk it either. So I spent some time questioning it. Then that crumbled, so it was suddenly the perfect time to put my cards on the table about why I find you scummy.

Besides the fact that I'm "bad" and saying "bad" things. The entirety of your case seems to revolve on the fact that I didn't drop everything and try to constantly ineffectually get you lynched no matter what else is happening in the game. You seem absolutely mystified about the concept of a back-burner. I think this exposes that you've really only been skimming the thread and looking for mentions of your name so you can try to defuse any potential wagon before they start. Like scum does. Because you're scum and that's bad.

Khan, Red Ryu was killed at night... not lynched the next day... you just admitted to killing him. thanks for that.

I meant thezmon221, not Red Ryu.

I am not calling you scummy for lynching scum, I'm calling you scummy for attacking the leader of that day's scum lynch

YOU ADMIT THAT WE WERE A TOP SCUM-READ, YET YOU GO AFTER BACDE TODAY WHO LED THE LYNCH ON SCUM.

You proved the central argument of my case.

we were a scummier read to you all game, but you pursue Bacde today over us until I called you out on it. Bacde who lead the wagon on scum yesterday despite being under heavy attack. why?

That is the ONLY argument to your case and I've answered it 3 separate times (here, here, and here). You don't care. You literally do not care. So why do you keep asking "why?" as if you're scum-hunting?

and yes, you did try to subtly discredit us. I mean, what else would the whole "quick, who can tell me who are their reads" thing could be, especially when I'm attacking you.

You aren't even addressing my points, just throwing them off to the side... again

You were going around asking "Hey, why do you have a town read on KK?". I'm glad that you're acknowledging that that was an attack and not some sort of legitimate attempt to scum-hunt.

WTF? I addressed EVERY SINGLE ONE of your points. Try actually reading my posts. You've addressed nothing of what I've wrote. Not even a flat-out denial. Literally the closest thing you've done to addressing anything I've written it a 3 letter word. And I can actually use the word "literally" correctly.

Yeah that is pretty weak, in Khan's mind all three of you are bluescum so it's not really an outrageous mistake. Certainly not a freudian slip.

No, he's called us scum, but I don't thinks he's inferred that we are bluescum

Except when I showed that you were coaching blue-scum Red Ryu. You really haven't read a single thing I've posted, have you? Dingos monkey dishwasher fartfart. Doesn't even matter what I type right here at all.

Mala's tantrum and the followup by Mara feel very town to me, which is the first time since d1 that they have been townreading so strongly.

I'm stunned that someone can completely dodge a case; hell, not even appear to read it. Instead attack some random other people, say the word "psychological" a few times to sound smart then put on a little drama show and people call them town.

Bravo scummy heads of Amethyst Kitty. I'm actually impressed.

and no, you didn't answer that part of the argument you only reacted to it to make it look like you did. The only thing that resembles an answer would be the first post and even that one was

"you're scummy but I don't want to deal with you yet" kinda post. You don't just put your top scum-read on the back burner like that. just, no.

Okay, this is going to be revolutionary, so hold on to your seat. Mafia teams have

more

than one member. I'll give you a moment to process that idea.

So even if I think that you're scummy, I may put that aside for a moment if someone else is in the spotlight, because (*gasp*) they might also be scum. Insane, right? I might be trying to figure out the alignment of more than one person at a time.

Also, being that there are so many players in this game, I will react first to what's immediately happening instead of just random old stuff. So when Day 3 started and Bacde posted completely opposite reasoning for why he wanted Nachomamma8 lynched, I called him out on it. BECAUSE IT JUST HAPPENED. I really don't care that he was pivotal in lynching thezmon221 BECAUSE ALL SIGNS ARE POINTING TO A MULTIBALL SETUP. I'm typing stuff in caps BECAUSE ITS THE FOURTH TIME I'VE EXPLAINED IT TO YOU AND YOU'RE STILL POSTING DITZY BRAINDEAD CRAP LIKE:

you left us and went after bacde because Thez flipped Blue scum?

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and I have read your post, and I have responded to you.

Link it. Is it that post where you call it "bad" four times? Because that's not a response.

Amazingly suspect timing. When Amethyst Kitty gets 7 out of 10 votes and is clearly scum, you suddenly decide to start a counter-wagon. You need to bring something more substantial to the table than "meh" and "Fuck it".

Explain to me in one sentence why ak is "clearly scum".

This reeks of an "I don't give a shit about your case" attitude.

Here.

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@penguin_alien - I guessing that mastin2 listed Thor665 as "smurfed" instead of shot because it's "funny".

<<< This is correct. The Important Links post lists the correct flavor of "shot". >>>

So.. Back to lynching Amethyst Kitty?

I think you are red scum and there is someone on your team who is coaching you

Are you suggesting that the red scum team has day talk?

It's official. Bulbazak isn't scum. Same for ffullisade.

I'm not feeling an AK scum. It seems too easy.

I could easily see Seanald as scum ie lurking through most of the days to the extent I forget he's actually playing this game, coming in to bandwagon that sort of thing.

Easy? Pfft. The people on the Amethyst Kitty wagon were townier than those making excuses to stay off it.

If you want an easy wagon, look at Seanald. It's super-easy to wagon the guy that isn't putting up much of a fight.

Wrong. You get something from the lynch, but it's nor what you desired. You still get information, but it's using that information to your advantage.

Second time Amethyst Kitty has encouraged a wagon on someone that they aren't voting.

It's still a scum move.

what's the town motivation of setting up mislynches in the way Khan did because I can't really think of any.

Except I didn't "set up a mislynch". I pointed out that it's a scum move to say stuff like "hey, oversoul is town guys", and do

nothing

to prevent the lynch. No arguments, no counter-wagons, no show of town-tells, no meta arguments. Nuh-thang.

Except

after

I said that to tried to start a counter-wagon on EddieFenix. Because you knew that I was dead-on right.

Khan I take it you agree with my reservations re: the seanald wagon?

I do.

Kk:

I been told that if I move the vote its going right back on you. I'd vote Seanald, but I'm not allowed, but good job on trying to twist a conversation to your benefit.

Yet other people are saying so and so are scum, but you're not saying jack shit to them for not voting.

"twist a conversation"? WTF? It's one of the things about you I called scummy back in post 3770.

And calling someone town while not stopping their lynch IS COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DIFFERENT from saying "so and so is scum" and not voting. Only scum would try to play dumb and not understand that.

So we are back to this argument again? You need to let it freaken go I swear. This ISN'T helping anyone and certainly helping scum more by engaging in this useless tunneling behavior.

Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

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Just reminding everyone that Amethyst Kitty is still scum.

I'm behind and reading.

Spoiler: Khan Nightkilled

Massive apologies for the delay. I should have set the deadline for Monday where I could have started day (close to) on time. My appointment left me quite a bit late. Sorry.

<<< High spirits might not be in plentiful supply, but the citizens are determined not to let that get in their way. I mean, looking outside, it's such a lovely day and night. The weather's gorgeous, there's no clouds, the stars the moon the sun are all shining, and it looks like things will be nice and

*BAM*

...Nice and bright. Sure, there may be a lot of bad things going on, but life would recover sooner or later. There's plenty to look forward to! If they would survive, the citizens would have a lot left to thrive on. The violence in the streets might be insane, but not a challenge impossible to beat. They may be up against demons, and they're not exactly angels themselves, but surely, they can manage to win. They're all happy to

*BAM*

*ahem*

All happy to be a part of this lovely city.

Come daybreak, they knew there would be casualties, but they didn't expect what they were going to see. Dead in her house was the purest of them: she had been sweet, innocent, young, and perhaps naive, which would make the loss of their dear little angel all the more of a tragedy.

ArcAngel9

was not a threat, yet clearly her death was meant as a message.

At the other side of town, the next dead body is found next to his van:

Kublai Khan

has been shot. But...why the heck was he driving a van in the middle of the night? Looking inside reveals the contents of the van: it's clearly meant more as a party van, because there's a luxurious couch along with alcohol and several drugs. But wait...what else is there? Knockout gas? Restraints to tie people? Hmm, maybe looking at the couch closer to see what's on it would b--EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWW, gross!

...NOBODY should have to see that. "Party Van" indeed. Just not the type of party half the members 'invited' to would enjoy.

...Despite the depravity present, searching for any connections to the mafia turns up nothing. No weapons, no notes. He was a harmless wisecracking guy who just so happened to have a dark side--which, given the nature of these findings, was probably meant to be used for good. >>>

ArcAngel9

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Killed Night Three

.

Kublai Khan

,

Town Jailkeeper

,

Killed Night Three

.

Day Four!

Deadline for Day Four is Wednesday, July 31st, at 12:30 PM, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).
With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

[PeregrineV]

Looking over night1 kills, nothing AK specific other than Syranan asking a question about changing reads on Cephrir.

[PeregrineV]

Lots of people telling me Bulba is town and they can't all be scum.

AK's read in particular is rather compelling after the Nero flip

, and I'm begrudgingly going to give it a rest for now.

unvote, vote: PeregrineV

I'm too stupid to figure out what this means. Please elaborate greatly.

Is it like saying "Peregrine's read on AK is particularly telling after the Senald's flip"?

[PeregrineV]

That's a very interesting case, PV. I wonder though if it could just be scum trying to pin it on her as it were.

Pretend it's a case on Nacho and rip it to shreds.

Or Vote AK.

[PeregrineV]

This is a weak case when you originally brought it up, and it is a weak case now. Futhermore,

it is more incriminating than you make it sound

, and it is absolute WIFOM. My own meta points to me not doing these kinds of kills as scum, why would I do it here?

Did you just say I not only understated my case on you being scum (meaning it's better in reality than I presented it), but just use self-meta as a hydra about why you would never kill the people who think you are scum?

[PeregrineV]

My case for Peregrine:

I think the purple cat is town.

Calls AM town

Calls AA9 scum:

My thoughts from the vote history:
Red Ryu was either killed because Red Mafia was looking to kill Blue Mafia, or Red Mafia wanted to get rid of a strong townie.
The fact that his wagon got to 6(?) votes at one point means he couldn't have been too townie, so he was probably killed while being scumhunted by Red Mafia.

Since I think that rather than waste thier kill on the Blue mafia team if they can help it, Red Mafia would first try, in some way shape or form, to lynch Blue mafia if they can.

This means, common sense-wise, one of the following is

Red Mafia

:
Bulbazak
penguin_alien
Kublai Khan
Human Destroyer
ArcAngel9

Then quickly changes to town when she pushes him:

@ArcAngel- I have you as probably town based on play, but I want to have the reasoning presented fully so others may be able to use it.

Remember he thought AM was town - well- apparently not:

@Bulba-I thought I did multiple times.

Spoiler: Selected postings of Thor chasing Amethyst Kitty

I'm vaguely town-reading Thor

What changed, scumCat?

But, taking this trip through your ISO reminded me that I'm unclear on a majority of your stances on players. Can I get your T-->S list?

I hate those and consider them dumb.
Here are just reads;

1. thezmon221 - null
2. CrashTextDummie [1] - townish leaning a touch null
3. Cephir - null leaning a touch scum
4. Nachomamma8 - townish
5. PeregrineV - Eh, I seem to recall DLG as being scummish - so, scummish.
6. Nero Cain - townish (very ish)
7. Bacde - null
8. EddieFenix - null
9. Bulbazak - town
11. Red Ryu - scummish
12. Syryana - null
13. Desperado - null
14. penguin_alien - null
15. Slandaar - scummy
16. Oversoul - townish
17. Seanald - scummy
18. ThAdmiral - town
19. Haylen - null
20. Kublai Khan - town
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal) - scummy
22. !BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy+pirate mollie) - scummy
23. Om the Destroyer (Human Destroyer+Om of the Nom) - town
24. ArcAngel9 [1] - town

I'd like to know what pushes look Genuine because I havn't really paid attention to KK and I think he looked pretty bad towards the end of the day yesterday

Why?

Amethyst also sidled away from this question.
I know now you're thinking the slot looks townish, or at least less scummish, but I still want this answered.

Not necessarily, I just don't see why you would find him town.

It's gut at the moment, he feels like he's legit working, not fake working.

Yes, it is consistent.

She lies about things she's done to avoid explaining them and fakes emotional breakdowns as town?
Links to any examples?

Let's be peaches together.

Unvote: Haylen
Vote: AmethystKitten

So if you have a townread on me and a scumread on mollie and I'm calling mollie town, that's not a good thing.

I don't really have a legit town read on you.
I have a 'I don't think his bad play is proof he's scum' read on you.
But I'm willing to see the links you'll show me.

Spoiler: Thor Nightkilled

<<< The spirits of the citizens were lifted by them finally making progress, but with night having fallen, they never knew what was in store for them the next day. All the thrilling adventures of bullets flying and corpses falling! Not to mention, that one drunken fool ranting and shouting in a loud voice, wandering about.

"YOU YOUNG RASCALS MOVE TOO QUICKLY! Back in MY day, we could have civilized conversations, and be intuitive about them. Why, even in my inebriated state of mind, I am still twice the man you are! I can hold my liquor, I have standards, and I don't go wasting my money on some trivial things! I am a sexy seductive man, AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT! But I don't let my ego get in the way of CONVERSATION, YE DARN FOOLS. If you had taken your time, MAYBE we could have gotten MORE than just what we did, AND YET you were SO determined to WASTE your lives that YOU RUSHED into WHAAT SHOULDA BEEN SIMMPLE. So I SWEAR TO MY BEARD THAT--"

*piff*

Finally. Something shut him up.

And with that, everyone could get a peaceful night of sleep. Bad things might still be happening, but the future looks bright. Soon, the streets could be cleared of the wretched scum, fellows who could sneak into a house and rob the residents blind without causing any alarm.

...In fact, they're clear of one such fellow, unlucky enough to have been startled by the shouting of a lunatic drunk. In the streets, he was vulnerable to being gunned down. The citizens of the street would rejoice come morning.




...Until they learned that "could sneak in and rob a person blind" doesn't translate into "actually does sneak in and rob a person blind". Certainly this young fellow had sneaked into houses, but not with malevolent intent. An ex-thief who had retired to the streets because they were peaceful, this man was clearly upset to see the things he despised about himself re-lived in front of him from an outside perspective. But the real giveaway that he was no threat? His identity is made clear as

Eddie Fenix

, a teacher...at a police academy. He had turned his life around and been reborn as an upstanding citizen, and thus, was of no threat.

Though not quite as much of an upset, the people are still saddened to learn the method by which the crazy drunkard many of them secretly enjoyed the musings of had been silenced. Shot point-blank with a silencer, Papa

Thor665

lay dead, his horned helmet not offering him the invulnerability of the god (and simultaneously, devil) he claimed to be.

Still, life goes on, and a new day has dawned. What's the worst that could happen?

(Oh, dear...)

>>>

EddieFenix

,

Town Rolecop

,

Shot Night Two

.

Thor665

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Smurfed Night Two

.

Day three dawns with 18 remaining.

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Selected postings of Khan chasing Amethyst Kitty

....really all in one page right in a row, someone is scum here. I lean nacho/Cephrir most.

If you're going to make this (bad) point, why leave off the BeautyAndTheBeast vote? It followed the Cephrir vote and had the same general format {no other comment except vote}.

Why not include the other couple of votes on the same page?

its also likely multiball

How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?

Why did an OS wagon pop up?

He's been the scummiest player all game.

are we seriously Lynching OS? that dude is town as fuck.

If Oversoul flips town. Amethyst Kitty is definite scum. (calling a town flip while doing nothing to prevent it)

Vote Nero, People. There IS An OS Alternative.

Why do you do shit like this? You were voting Oversoul, then you jumped off and are promoting a counter-wagon. All of this without any post by Oversoul? WTF?

If you don't think Oversoul is scum, then why did you vote for him at all?

If you say that this is a hydra miscommunication thing, then one of you seriously needs to drop this game because this sort of shit is ridiculous.

Not defensive, I just have issues with people coming into page 99 of a game and trying to make an argument based on the first 10, acting like they're hot shit as they do.

Why? The first ten pages of the game are where scum are most exposed. They haven't started figuring out how to manipulate people yet.

Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.

But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?

+ why am I not on your town list?

Technically you broke the multiball cherry in Post 1377. Also, the big difference is that you wrote

likely

multiball whereas they said something along the lines of "it might be multiball because I'm too much of a stubborn fool to admit I'm possibly wrong about a scumread". (Paraphrased, of course)

+ you're not on the town list because you haven't stood out as town.

Also, you're really stretching the definition of multiball if you want it to include 5maf+1SK. Multiball is two scum teams.

Still trying to convince Mala of my read, while I do so I'm going to say that this is a clever way to set-up two mislynches.

Calling it "clever" speaks volumes about yourself.

first, I did not " do nothing to prevent it" and I have been calling OS town all game. part of my attack on Nacho was because he was choosing such a terrible target to go after early on

Yes, you've literally been calling Oversoul town all game. Whoop-de-doo. Anyone can post an unexplained stance repeatedly. But if you really, really didn't want Oversoul to be lynched (you've been clearing him with the tenacity of a mason), then you would have explained the town-read. Or made a better case besides going "hey that guy!".

From my vantage point it looks like you're trying to earn townie-brownie points by calling Oversoul a mislynch. And I'm going to deny you.

then there's his interactions with OS. He just recently stated that he felt like he couldn't trust OS for doing the gambit, though when OS initially admitted that it was a gambit,

instead of showing distrust he was actually open to what OS might have learned from it

. The only time he has ever shown any negative emotion towards OS and what he's done with his gambit is when OS wagon started picking up. Before then, he didn't really care about him

Also, how in the world is the above even remotely scummy?

Well, at least you stuck with your second soft claim.

...eh, that post still feels fairly town and I think it flows with the logic of your fakeclaim gambit.

That's null. I called attention to the softclaim when I made a case on him. He had to make it part of the new claim.

Plus he's claiming a role he's had in another game.
Plus he listed the

number

of BP that he is.
Plus he has no credibility since he's a proven liar.

Why are people not on board with this lynch?

I'm curious to see where Amethyst Kitty's line of questioning is going. But not really. They are scum.

Quick, somebody (not Amethyst Kitty) name 5 reads that Amethyst Kitty has.

If you have to ISO, then you have to uncover 10 substantial reads.

Can't be done. Amethyst Kitty is a hydra double-posting nothingness.

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I'm not bothering reading any Bacde posts until he can post something substantial and not just random braindead tunnelling bullshit.

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ok so Red kills syr, but why does his team let him?

Oh, Seanald is scum too. He's been playing enough to not WIFOM a NK so strongly. Especially with such open leading questions.

Did anyone get a message from Syryana confirming his alignment? If not then I'm guessing that Seanald-scum or someone in his mafia did.

---

The question remains: What do you think of CTD's claim and its implications?

Didn't you just chastise Seanald for posting IIoA?

---

Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

And Bacde is claiming vig with no kill on the board? I smell bullshit on that one.

---

Though, actually, who was it who was actually telling me that OS's claims didn't make logical sense considering his eventual BP claim?
That person needs to sheep me more, but I want to call them town at this stage.
I sorta think it was KK though...so...meh.

Was me.
I've got a town-read on Haylen right now though. How would you feel if I started an Amethyst Kitty wagon?

I probably will soon, but I want to do some reading first. So probably Monday.

I am referring to KK

and he honestly didn't even bother with us until I started voicing my suspicions on him

You've got that backwards.

1784 - Amethyst Kitty - "Cephrir, Nacho, Ryu, Eddie, and possibly Hanzo are my scum reads."

1809 - Kublai Khan - "Very willing to lynch Day 1: Red Ryu, Oversoul, Amethyst Kitty, Baby Spice"

1868 - Amethyst Kitty - "Will talk to Mala, though I'd be fine with voting Cephrir, KK, Desp, and Ryu, possibly Thor and Nacho"

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Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

Reminds me:
What do people (not just KK, but KK can answer too) are the chances that at least one, if not two, of the neighborhoods are town-scum neighborhoods? I personally would say the chances are pretty good.

It's still out-guess the mod territory. And I've played with the mod in a multiball Large Normal with all-town neighborhoods. Treat as VT and scum-hunt normally.
---

@People paying any attention at all to the Vig claim -

Eh, we just lynched someone for lying about a claim. Who in their right mind fakeclaims after that?

Thezmon I saw as a link to scumcho, since he was the one being THE MOST fency and weird about me voting for nacho. So I strung him up. But he flipped blue--the only natural conclusion I could make, that continued my train of thought of the thezmon-nacho link, was to assume that nacho is indeed bluescum.

This is actually pretty easy to follow

Eh. It's more like you've already got the conclusion that Nachomamma8 is scum and you just followed whatever course it takes to re-reach that conclusion.

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actually

VOTE: KK

I want this. His justification for Bacde scum looks like a reach and him not following through on the Kitty scum read after the toasty flip leads me to believe that he didn't really didn't really believe in that in the first place which means he probably was, in fact, looking to go after two mislynches.

Thing is, if we were town, based on what he has stated on us yesterday us not posting much should have triggered suspicion on his part. He hasn't even mentioned us at all today. He needs to die.

Toasty flip? WTF are you talking about? You mean Oversoul?

Do you maybe remember that there was a "blue mafia" flip at the start of the next day? Do you think maybe that was a bit of a game-changer? That maybe I had to reconsider things a little?

This game still has so many players that I haven't really conducted any deep-seated analysis. If I see activity from Bacde at the start of Day 3 that makes me want to shine a light on it and question it, then that's what I'll do.

I still find you quite scummy. Same with penguin_alien. I'll pursue the case when I'm good and ready to write it out properly.

tl;dr - Calm yo tits.
--

Still waiting on Rena to claim those results...

She already claimed them.

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

You really want to go 1 on 1?

Okay. This is the perfect time to do it.

Vote: Amethyst Kitty

Reasons for suspecting Amethyst Kitty:

Early stuff:
> Unvoting without revoting in pre-game RVS.
--- This is strictly a move of appeasement and buddying.
> Post 900: Strong reaction against Red Ryu trying todirect night actions, but never spoke a word against anyone else doing stuff like vig-directing.
--- Fun Fact: Red Ryu flipped scum.

Oversoul stuff:
> Doing nothing to try to push any counter-wagons to Oversoul or stop his lynch in any way until I called her out on it.
--- After that, she started up a case on EddieFenix, which indicates to me that she knows I had a very legitimate point and changed her actions accordingly.

OMGUS! and now stuff
> Ignores me until I put her on a scum list. Then I magically end up on her scum list.
> Calls me out on OMGUSing her
> Drops it, but still keeps me high on her scum list.
> Makes a case on why I'm scummy, but refers to nothing that occured previous to first reason for calling me scummy
--- Smells like a reads first, justification later type of activity. Which she's been doing all game.
--- Also doing the bullshit hydra thing of "oh, my partner had a x-read, I'll let them explain" "...." <- No explanation or anything ever given

I don't do 1vs1 get over yourself. 1vs1 don't help anyone in my mind and sometimes are used as a scum advantage because it gets everyone so wrapped up in it and people forget to hunt.

Wait, what? You called me scummy and vote for me when there's a wagon on thAdmiral going on. But when that wagon disintegrates and I vote you back, you back off?

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

Bacade stfu. You aren't fucking obv town. So just stfu.

How is Bacde both "not remotely scummy"

and

"not fucking obvtown" at the same time?

1) though, if you want to look at someone who is badly pushing at Bacde that is scum I would look at Khan because of the fact that not only does he push Bacde terribly, be had better pushes to go after, pushes that he apparently believed in but suddenly dropped for him.

2) I am also under the impression that he is a better player than this.

3) I also find it strange that he pins CTD as super-obvious town, but he doesn't give Bacde the exact same extension even though he's done a shit-load for town with his "anti-town" play.

4) His case on Oversoul was just as bad, if not worse than yours

5) his other cases are just as shitty

6) he made a shallow case on us based on Oversoul flipping town, doesn't pursue it.

7) when I originally bring up my scum read on him, all he does is ask if anyone remembers our reads and, in doing such discrediting us

8) we

were

scummy enough to warrant a wagon, though he doesn't really initiate it but waits to see if others would do it first

9) Sheeps onto Thez, because of what Bacde said who he currently finds scummy...

10) I had to actually PUSH him to make a case on he, and all the things he is calling me out on has very shallow thought processes to them.

11) alot of his reasons for things are just as, even his reasons for why he thinks people are town.

1) "Badly" is a useless judgement call to make in a mafia game. Were my points bad? Was the timing bad? It sounds like you just hate my choice of targets which, given that we have a named mafia group (i.e. probably multiball), there is no evidence that Bacde isn't a non-blue scum.

2) Really? A burden of proficiency fallacy as your second point?

3) CrashTextDummie is breaking things point rationally and in a way that I can understand his thought process. Bacde spends 75 pages calling Nachomamma8 scum with little reasoning, then "Squirrel!" they are voting together for someone. Then back to calling Nachomamma8 scum. I don't understand Bacde and he's very reluctant to explain himself. So he doesn't get the same town-points that CrashTextDummie gets.

4) Again. "Bad". Well, your case on me is bad. Damn, that's much easier to say something is bad instead of saying something substantial.

5) Ooh, "shitty". What a vocab!

6) Sorry, was busy lynching your scum-buddy Red Ryu the next day.

7) No, I specifically addressed the fact that your scum-read on me is based on nothing but OMGUS. You

still

haven't given an alternative explanation for why I ever ended up on your scumlist.

8) WTF?

9) Are you calling me scummy for lynching scum?

10) So shallow that you haven't bothered to refute or provide alternative explanations?

11) Oh shit, did you forget to write "bad" there? That's the lynchpin of your whole case! You can't be forgetting that word!

Summary:

When I replaced in, I found four players to be very scummy when reading: (Oversoul, Red Ryu, you, and Baby Spice/penguin_alien). I only have one vote and it's incredibly inefficient to make four simultaneous cases. So Day 1 I pushed a case on Oversoul. After Day 2 started, Bacde made a good case on thezmon221, so you got put on the back burner a little longer. Day 3, Bacde opened with some posts that rubbed me the wrong way because his logic doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Since he is a very active player, I made on case on him and

even he acknowledged that my case had a lot of merit

. Then the ThAdmiral case started up. I didn't agree with it, but I didn't have any reason to debunk it either. So I spent some time questioning it. Then that crumbled, so it was suddenly the perfect time to put my cards on the table about why I find you scummy.

Besides the fact that I'm "bad" and saying "bad" things. The entirety of your case seems to revolve on the fact that I didn't drop everything and try to constantly ineffectually get you lynched no matter what else is happening in the game. You seem absolutely mystified about the concept of a back-burner. I think this exposes that you've really only been skimming the thread and looking for mentions of your name so you can try to defuse any potential wagon before they start. Like scum does. Because you're scum and that's bad.

Khan, Red Ryu was killed at night... not lynched the next day... you just admitted to killing him. thanks for that.

I meant thezmon221, not Red Ryu.

I am not calling you scummy for lynching scum, I'm calling you scummy for attacking the leader of that day's scum lynch

YOU ADMIT THAT WE WERE A TOP SCUM-READ, YET YOU GO AFTER BACDE TODAY WHO LED THE LYNCH ON SCUM.

You proved the central argument of my case.

we were a scummier read to you all game, but you pursue Bacde today over us until I called you out on it. Bacde who lead the wagon on scum yesterday despite being under heavy attack. why?

That is the ONLY argument to your case and I've answered it 3 separate times (here, here, and here). You don't care. You literally do not care. So why do you keep asking "why?" as if you're scum-hunting?

and yes, you did try to subtly discredit us. I mean, what else would the whole "quick, who can tell me who are their reads" thing could be, especially when I'm attacking you.

You aren't even addressing my points, just throwing them off to the side... again

You were going around asking "Hey, why do you have a town read on KK?". I'm glad that you're acknowledging that that was an attack and not some sort of legitimate attempt to scum-hunt.

WTF? I addressed EVERY SINGLE ONE of your points. Try actually reading my posts. You've addressed nothing of what I've wrote. Not even a flat-out denial. Literally the closest thing you've done to addressing anything I've written it a 3 letter word. And I can actually use the word "literally" correctly.

Yeah that is pretty weak, in Khan's mind all three of you are bluescum so it's not really an outrageous mistake. Certainly not a freudian slip.

No, he's called us scum, but I don't thinks he's inferred that we are bluescum

Except when I showed that you were coaching blue-scum Red Ryu. You really haven't read a single thing I've posted, have you? Dingos monkey dishwasher fartfart. Doesn't even matter what I type right here at all.

Mala's tantrum and the followup by Mara feel very town to me, which is the first time since d1 that they have been townreading so strongly.

I'm stunned that someone can completely dodge a case; hell, not even appear to read it. Instead attack some random other people, say the word "psychological" a few times to sound smart then put on a little drama show and people call them town.

Bravo scummy heads of Amethyst Kitty. I'm actually impressed.

and no, you didn't answer that part of the argument you only reacted to it to make it look like you did. The only thing that resembles an answer would be the first post and even that one was

"you're scummy but I don't want to deal with you yet" kinda post. You don't just put your top scum-read on the back burner like that. just, no.

Okay, this is going to be revolutionary, so hold on to your seat. Mafia teams have

more

than one member. I'll give you a moment to process that idea.

So even if I think that you're scummy, I may put that aside for a moment if someone else is in the spotlight, because (*gasp*) they might also be scum. Insane, right? I might be trying to figure out the alignment of more than one person at a time.

Also, being that there are so many players in this game, I will react first to what's immediately happening instead of just random old stuff. So when Day 3 started and Bacde posted completely opposite reasoning for why he wanted Nachomamma8 lynched, I called him out on it. BECAUSE IT JUST HAPPENED. I really don't care that he was pivotal in lynching thezmon221 BECAUSE ALL SIGNS ARE POINTING TO A MULTIBALL SETUP. I'm typing stuff in caps BECAUSE ITS THE FOURTH TIME I'VE EXPLAINED IT TO YOU AND YOU'RE STILL POSTING DITZY BRAINDEAD CRAP LIKE:

you left us and went after bacde because Thez flipped Blue scum?

--

and I have read your post, and I have responded to you.

Link it. Is it that post where you call it "bad" four times? Because that's not a response.

Amazingly suspect timing. When Amethyst Kitty gets 7 out of 10 votes and is clearly scum, you suddenly decide to start a counter-wagon. You need to bring something more substantial to the table than "meh" and "Fuck it".

Explain to me in one sentence why ak is "clearly scum".

This reeks of an "I don't give a shit about your case" attitude.

Here.

--
@penguin_alien - I guessing that mastin2 listed Thor665 as "smurfed" instead of shot because it's "funny".

<<< This is correct. The Important Links post lists the correct flavor of "shot". >>>

So.. Back to lynching Amethyst Kitty?

I think you are red scum and there is someone on your team who is coaching you

Are you suggesting that the red scum team has day talk?

It's official. Bulbazak isn't scum. Same for ffullisade.

I'm not feeling an AK scum. It seems too easy.

I could easily see Seanald as scum ie lurking through most of the days to the extent I forget he's actually playing this game, coming in to bandwagon that sort of thing.

Easy? Pfft. The people on the Amethyst Kitty wagon were townier than those making excuses to stay off it.

If you want an easy wagon, look at Seanald. It's super-easy to wagon the guy that isn't putting up much of a fight.

Wrong. You get something from the lynch, but it's nor what you desired. You still get information, but it's using that information to your advantage.

Second time Amethyst Kitty has encouraged a wagon on someone that they aren't voting.

It's still a scum move.

what's the town motivation of setting up mislynches in the way Khan did because I can't really think of any.

Except I didn't "set up a mislynch". I pointed out that it's a scum move to say stuff like "hey, oversoul is town guys", and do

nothing

to prevent the lynch. No arguments, no counter-wagons, no show of town-tells, no meta arguments. Nuh-thang.

Except

after

I said that to tried to start a counter-wagon on EddieFenix. Because you knew that I was dead-on right.

Khan I take it you agree with my reservations re: the seanald wagon?

I do.

Kk:

I been told that if I move the vote its going right back on you. I'd vote Seanald, but I'm not allowed, but good job on trying to twist a conversation to your benefit.

Yet other people are saying so and so are scum, but you're not saying jack shit to them for not voting.

"twist a conversation"? WTF? It's one of the things about you I called scummy back in post 3770.

And calling someone town while not stopping their lynch IS COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DIFFERENT from saying "so and so is scum" and not voting. Only scum would try to play dumb and not understand that.

So we are back to this argument again? You need to let it freaken go I swear. This ISN'T helping anyone and certainly helping scum more by engaging in this useless tunneling behavior.

Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

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Just reminding everyone that Amethyst Kitty is still scum.

I'm behind and reading.

Spoiler: Thor Nightkilled

Massive apologies for the delay. I should have set the deadline for Monday where I could have started day (close to) on time. My appointment left me quite a bit late. Sorry.

<<< High spirits might not be in plentiful supply, but the citizens are determined not to let that get in their way. I mean, looking outside, it's such a lovely day and night. The weather's gorgeous, there's no clouds, the stars the moon the sun are all shining, and it looks like things will be nice and

*BAM*

...Nice and bright. Sure, there may be a lot of bad things going on, but life would recover sooner or later. There's plenty to look forward to! If they would survive, the citizens would have a lot left to thrive on. The violence in the streets might be insane, but not a challenge impossible to beat. They may be up against demons, and they're not exactly angels themselves, but surely, they can manage to win. They're all happy to

*BAM*

*ahem*

All happy to be a part of this lovely city.

Come daybreak, they knew there would be casualties, but they didn't expect what they were going to see. Dead in her house was the purest of them: she had been sweet, innocent, young, and perhaps naive, which would make the loss of their dear little angel all the more of a tragedy.

ArcAngel9

was not a threat, yet clearly her death was meant as a message.

At the other side of town, the next dead body is found next to his van:

Kublai Khan

has been shot. But...why the heck was he driving a van in the middle of the night? Looking inside reveals the contents of the van: it's clearly meant more as a party van, because there's a luxurious couch along with alcohol and several drugs. But wait...what else is there? Knockout gas? Restraints to tie people? Hmm, maybe looking at the couch closer to see what's on it would b--EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWW, gross!

...NOBODY should have to see that. "Party Van" indeed. Just not the type of party half the members 'invited' to would enjoy.

...Despite the depravity present, searching for any connections to the mafia turns up nothing. No weapons, no notes. He was a harmless wisecracking guy who just so happened to have a dark side--which, given the nature of these findings, was probably meant to be used for good. >>>

ArcAngel9

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Killed Night Three

.

Kublai Khan

,

Town Jailkeeper

,

Killed Night Three

.

Day Four!

Deadline for Day Four is Wednesday, July 31st, at 12:30 PM, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).
With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

Also, keeps insisting on the hoods being clean when one was clearly dirty so far. So why can't others be dirty too?

Don't misrep me. I never said I wanted CTD lynched. if I did my vote would be on him which it isn't.

I don't see how you

aren't

following PoE and going by your own reads if you think there's still scum left over in the 'hoods.

The hoods are CTD, Desp, and ThAd. I think one may be blue.

That leaves 1 or 0 blue and 2 or 3 red out of

3. Cephir
4. Nachomamma8
7. Bacde
9. Bulbazak
14. penguin_alien
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal)
22. ffullisade (fferylit+pirate mollie)
23. Human Destroyer

So, why would I not do both?

I think he has tried to jump on convenient lynches and wagons and hasn't really given reads on anyone but the people he's been tunneling (AM and AA9). AA9 flipped green and so will AM

Vote PV!!!

So, as I discover new information, or find more connections, I shouldn't evolve my reads? I should just stay with whatever I posted "before"? And I should stop reading and re-reading?

Seriously, are you bad scum or bad town?

<<< Triple-post deleted. >>>

[PeregrineV]

@ ak

so what if perv flips blue?

You got two heads, right?

Why don't one figure out what scum I am.

Then the smart one can
1. Refute my AK case, like you did on Slandaar after he died.
2. Figure out who is scum if I'm town, since I am.

There, you can now increase your productivity 200%.

[PeregrineV]

"ThAd is town because there is a scum roleblocker" isn't an argument.

Especially when someone else has claimed roleblocked on the same night as them.

I'm not up for the quote wall, but didn't ThAd say his lack of kill didn't count against his shots this time? Implying the failed kills had different causes? And that he had limited shots in the first place?

5493

Thoughts on AK and night kills I posted 5564

<<< Should be fixed here, too. >>>

[PeregrineV]

I see you sheeping a thor read. is it something stronger than that?

I pointed out that two players with strong scumreads on AK died on two consecutive nights following the strongest presentation of those scumreads.

[PeregrineV]

Well you could have, you know, asked me a question or something.

Question directly to you:

Seriously pere do you think I have no reason to think you might possibly be scum? Do you think it would be wise or unwise of me to discuss nightkill choices with you (not that it makes any difference since I keep getting blocked).

Actually, I don't. And Seanld's flip of a scum power role inside a neighborhood worries me even more.

And you are not avoiding discussion of nightkill choices, you are avoiding discussing anything at all. I gave extensive reads and reasons, and you gave me nothing. Then you semi-agree, but claim to shoot a townread of mine anyway.

So, in detail, using this thread and the QT (paraphrased), why do you think I'm scum?

Question to the thread:

I think AK might be scum. It seems that suspcion on her results in the players death.

Spoiler: Selected postings of Thor chasing Amethyst Kitty

I'm vaguely town-reading Thor

What changed, scumCat?

But, taking this trip through your ISO reminded me that I'm unclear on a majority of your stances on players. Can I get your T-->S list?

I hate those and consider them dumb.
Here are just reads;

1. thezmon221 - null
2. CrashTextDummie [1] - townish leaning a touch null
3. Cephir - null leaning a touch scum
4. Nachomamma8 - townish
5. PeregrineV - Eh, I seem to recall DLG as being scummish - so, scummish.
6. Nero Cain - townish (very ish)
7. Bacde - null
8. EddieFenix - null
9. Bulbazak - town
11. Red Ryu - scummish
12. Syryana - null
13. Desperado - null
14. penguin_alien - null
15. Slandaar - scummy
16. Oversoul - townish
17. Seanald - scummy
18. ThAdmiral - town
19. Haylen - null
20. Kublai Khan - town
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal) - scummy
22. !BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy+pirate mollie) - scummy
23. Om the Destroyer (Human Destroyer+Om of the Nom) - town
24. ArcAngel9 [1] - town

I'd like to know what pushes look Genuine because I havn't really paid attention to KK and I think he looked pretty bad towards the end of the day yesterday

Why?

Amethyst also sidled away from this question.
I know now you're thinking the slot looks townish, or at least less scummish, but I still want this answered.

Not necessarily, I just don't see why you would find him town.

It's gut at the moment, he feels like he's legit working, not fake working.

Yes, it is consistent.

She lies about things she's done to avoid explaining them and fakes emotional breakdowns as town?
Links to any examples?

Let's be peaches together.

Unvote: Haylen
Vote: AmethystKitten

So if you have a townread on me and a scumread on mollie and I'm calling mollie town, that's not a good thing.

I don't really have a legit town read on you.
I have a 'I don't think his bad play is proof he's scum' read on you.
But I'm willing to see the links you'll show me.

Spoiler: Thor Nightkilled

<<< The spirits of the citizens were lifted by them finally making progress, but with night having fallen, they never knew what was in store for them the next day. All the thrilling adventures of bullets flying and corpses falling! Not to mention, that one drunken fool ranting and shouting in a loud voice, wandering about.

"YOU YOUNG RASCALS MOVE TOO QUICKLY! Back in MY day, we could have civilized conversations, and be intuitive about them. Why, even in my inebriated state of mind, I am still twice the man you are! I can hold my liquor, I have standards, and I don't go wasting my money on some trivial things! I am a sexy seductive man, AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT! But I don't let my ego get in the way of CONVERSATION, YE DARN FOOLS. If you had taken your time, MAYBE we could have gotten MORE than just what we did, AND YET you were SO determined to WASTE your lives that YOU RUSHED into WHAAT SHOULDA BEEN SIMMPLE. So I SWEAR TO MY BEARD THAT--"

*piff*

Finally. Something shut him up.

And with that, everyone could get a peaceful night of sleep. Bad things might still be happening, but the future looks bright. Soon, the streets could be cleared of the wretched scum, fellows who could sneak into a house and rob the residents blind without causing any alarm.

...In fact, they're clear of one such fellow, unlucky enough to have been startled by the shouting of a lunatic drunk. In the streets, he was vulnerable to being gunned down. The citizens of the street would rejoice come morning.




...Until they learned that "could sneak in and rob a person blind" doesn't translate into "actually does sneak in and rob a person blind". Certainly this young fellow had sneaked into houses, but not with malevolent intent. An ex-thief who had retired to the streets because they were peaceful, this man was clearly upset to see the things he despised about himself re-lived in front of him from an outside perspective. But the real giveaway that he was no threat? His identity is made clear as

Eddie Fenix

, a teacher...at a police academy. He had turned his life around and been reborn as an upstanding citizen, and thus, was of no threat.

Though not quite as much of an upset, the people are still saddened to learn the method by which the crazy drunkard many of them secretly enjoyed the musings of had been silenced. Shot point-blank with a silencer, Papa

Thor665

lay dead, his horned helmet not offering him the invulnerability of the god (and simultaneously, devil) he claimed to be.

Still, life goes on, and a new day has dawned. What's the worst that could happen?

(Oh, dear...)

>>>

EddieFenix

,

Town Rolecop

,

Shot Night Two

.

Thor665

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Smurfed Night Two

.

Day three dawns with 18 remaining.

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Selected postings of Khan chasing Amethyst Kitty

....really all in one page right in a row, someone is scum here. I lean nacho/Cephrir most.

If you're going to make this (bad) point, why leave off the BeautyAndTheBeast vote? It followed the Cephrir vote and had the same general format {no other comment except vote}.

Why not include the other couple of votes on the same page?

its also likely multiball

How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?

Why did an OS wagon pop up?

He's been the scummiest player all game.

are we seriously Lynching OS? that dude is town as fuck.

If Oversoul flips town. Amethyst Kitty is definite scum. (calling a town flip while doing nothing to prevent it)

Vote Nero, People. There IS An OS Alternative.

Why do you do shit like this? You were voting Oversoul, then you jumped off and are promoting a counter-wagon. All of this without any post by Oversoul? WTF?

If you don't think Oversoul is scum, then why did you vote for him at all?

If you say that this is a hydra miscommunication thing, then one of you seriously needs to drop this game because this sort of shit is ridiculous.

Not defensive, I just have issues with people coming into page 99 of a game and trying to make an argument based on the first 10, acting like they're hot shit as they do.

Why? The first ten pages of the game are where scum are most exposed. They haven't started figuring out how to manipulate people yet.

Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.

But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?

+ why am I not on your town list?

Technically you broke the multiball cherry in Post 1377. Also, the big difference is that you wrote

likely

multiball whereas they said something along the lines of "it might be multiball because I'm too much of a stubborn fool to admit I'm possibly wrong about a scumread". (Paraphrased, of course)

+ you're not on the town list because you haven't stood out as town.

Also, you're really stretching the definition of multiball if you want it to include 5maf+1SK. Multiball is two scum teams.

Still trying to convince Mala of my read, while I do so I'm going to say that this is a clever way to set-up two mislynches.

Calling it "clever" speaks volumes about yourself.

first, I did not " do nothing to prevent it" and I have been calling OS town all game. part of my attack on Nacho was because he was choosing such a terrible target to go after early on

Yes, you've literally been calling Oversoul town all game. Whoop-de-doo. Anyone can post an unexplained stance repeatedly. But if you really, really didn't want Oversoul to be lynched (you've been clearing him with the tenacity of a mason), then you would have explained the town-read. Or made a better case besides going "hey that guy!".

From my vantage point it looks like you're trying to earn townie-brownie points by calling Oversoul a mislynch. And I'm going to deny you.

then there's his interactions with OS. He just recently stated that he felt like he couldn't trust OS for doing the gambit, though when OS initially admitted that it was a gambit,

instead of showing distrust he was actually open to what OS might have learned from it

. The only time he has ever shown any negative emotion towards OS and what he's done with his gambit is when OS wagon started picking up. Before then, he didn't really care about him

Also, how in the world is the above even remotely scummy?

Well, at least you stuck with your second soft claim.

...eh, that post still feels fairly town and I think it flows with the logic of your fakeclaim gambit.

That's null. I called attention to the softclaim when I made a case on him. He had to make it part of the new claim.

Plus he's claiming a role he's had in another game.
Plus he listed the

number

of BP that he is.
Plus he has no credibility since he's a proven liar.

Why are people not on board with this lynch?

I'm curious to see where Amethyst Kitty's line of questioning is going. But not really. They are scum.

Quick, somebody (not Amethyst Kitty) name 5 reads that Amethyst Kitty has.

If you have to ISO, then you have to uncover 10 substantial reads.

Can't be done. Amethyst Kitty is a hydra double-posting nothingness.

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I'm not bothering reading any Bacde posts until he can post something substantial and not just random braindead tunnelling bullshit.

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ok so Red kills syr, but why does his team let him?

Oh, Seanald is scum too. He's been playing enough to not WIFOM a NK so strongly. Especially with such open leading questions.

Did anyone get a message from Syryana confirming his alignment? If not then I'm guessing that Seanald-scum or someone in his mafia did.

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The question remains: What do you think of CTD's claim and its implications?

Didn't you just chastise Seanald for posting IIoA?

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Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

And Bacde is claiming vig with no kill on the board? I smell bullshit on that one.

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Though, actually, who was it who was actually telling me that OS's claims didn't make logical sense considering his eventual BP claim?
That person needs to sheep me more, but I want to call them town at this stage.
I sorta think it was KK though...so...meh.

Was me.
I've got a town-read on Haylen right now though. How would you feel if I started an Amethyst Kitty wagon?

I probably will soon, but I want to do some reading first. So probably Monday.

I am referring to KK

and he honestly didn't even bother with us until I started voicing my suspicions on him

You've got that backwards.

1784 - Amethyst Kitty - "Cephrir, Nacho, Ryu, Eddie, and possibly Hanzo are my scum reads."

1809 - Kublai Khan - "Very willing to lynch Day 1: Red Ryu, Oversoul, Amethyst Kitty, Baby Spice"

1868 - Amethyst Kitty - "Will talk to Mala, though I'd be fine with voting Cephrir, KK, Desp, and Ryu, possibly Thor and Nacho"

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Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???

Reminds me:
What do people (not just KK, but KK can answer too) are the chances that at least one, if not two, of the neighborhoods are town-scum neighborhoods? I personally would say the chances are pretty good.

It's still out-guess the mod territory. And I've played with the mod in a multiball Large Normal with all-town neighborhoods. Treat as VT and scum-hunt normally.
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@People paying any attention at all to the Vig claim -

Eh, we just lynched someone for lying about a claim. Who in their right mind fakeclaims after that?

Thezmon I saw as a link to scumcho, since he was the one being THE MOST fency and weird about me voting for nacho. So I strung him up. But he flipped blue--the only natural conclusion I could make, that continued my train of thought of the thezmon-nacho link, was to assume that nacho is indeed bluescum.

This is actually pretty easy to follow

Eh. It's more like you've already got the conclusion that Nachomamma8 is scum and you just followed whatever course it takes to re-reach that conclusion.

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actually

VOTE: KK

I want this. His justification for Bacde scum looks like a reach and him not following through on the Kitty scum read after the toasty flip leads me to believe that he didn't really didn't really believe in that in the first place which means he probably was, in fact, looking to go after two mislynches.

Thing is, if we were town, based on what he has stated on us yesterday us not posting much should have triggered suspicion on his part. He hasn't even mentioned us at all today. He needs to die.

Toasty flip? WTF are you talking about? You mean Oversoul?

Do you maybe remember that there was a "blue mafia" flip at the start of the next day? Do you think maybe that was a bit of a game-changer? That maybe I had to reconsider things a little?

This game still has so many players that I haven't really conducted any deep-seated analysis. If I see activity from Bacde at the start of Day 3 that makes me want to shine a light on it and question it, then that's what I'll do.

I still find you quite scummy. Same with penguin_alien. I'll pursue the case when I'm good and ready to write it out properly.

tl;dr - Calm yo tits.
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Still waiting on Rena to claim those results...

She already claimed them.

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

You really want to go 1 on 1?

Okay. This is the perfect time to do it.

Vote: Amethyst Kitty

Reasons for suspecting Amethyst Kitty:

Early stuff:
> Unvoting without revoting in pre-game RVS.
--- This is strictly a move of appeasement and buddying.
> Post 900: Strong reaction against Red Ryu trying todirect night actions, but never spoke a word against anyone else doing stuff like vig-directing.
--- Fun Fact: Red Ryu flipped scum.

Oversoul stuff:
> Doing nothing to try to push any counter-wagons to Oversoul or stop his lynch in any way until I called her out on it.
--- After that, she started up a case on EddieFenix, which indicates to me that she knows I had a very legitimate point and changed her actions accordingly.

OMGUS! and now stuff
> Ignores me until I put her on a scum list. Then I magically end up on her scum list.
> Calls me out on OMGUSing her
> Drops it, but still keeps me high on her scum list.
> Makes a case on why I'm scummy, but refers to nothing that occured previous to first reason for calling me scummy
--- Smells like a reads first, justification later type of activity. Which she's been doing all game.
--- Also doing the bullshit hydra thing of "oh, my partner had a x-read, I'll let them explain" "...." <- No explanation or anything ever given

I don't do 1vs1 get over yourself. 1vs1 don't help anyone in my mind and sometimes are used as a scum advantage because it gets everyone so wrapped up in it and people forget to hunt.

Wait, what? You called me scummy and vote for me when there's a wagon on thAdmiral going on. But when that wagon disintegrates and I vote you back, you back off?

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

Bacade stfu. You aren't fucking obv town. So just stfu.

How is Bacde both "not remotely scummy"

and

"not fucking obvtown" at the same time?

1) though, if you want to look at someone who is badly pushing at Bacde that is scum I would look at Khan because of the fact that not only does he push Bacde terribly, be had better pushes to go after, pushes that he apparently believed in but suddenly dropped for him.

2) I am also under the impression that he is a better player than this.

3) I also find it strange that he pins CTD as super-obvious town, but he doesn't give Bacde the exact same extension even though he's done a shit-load for town with his "anti-town" play.

4) His case on Oversoul was just as bad, if not worse than yours

5) his other cases are just as shitty

6) he made a shallow case on us based on Oversoul flipping town, doesn't pursue it.

7) when I originally bring up my scum read on him, all he does is ask if anyone remembers our reads and, in doing such discrediting us

8) we

were

scummy enough to warrant a wagon, though he doesn't really initiate it but waits to see if others would do it first

9) Sheeps onto Thez, because of what Bacde said who he currently finds scummy...

10) I had to actually PUSH him to make a case on he, and all the things he is calling me out on has very shallow thought processes to them.

11) alot of his reasons for things are just as, even his reasons for why he thinks people are town.

1) "Badly" is a useless judgement call to make in a mafia game. Were my points bad? Was the timing bad? It sounds like you just hate my choice of targets which, given that we have a named mafia group (i.e. probably multiball), there is no evidence that Bacde isn't a non-blue scum.

2) Really? A burden of proficiency fallacy as your second point?

3) CrashTextDummie is breaking things point rationally and in a way that I can understand his thought process. Bacde spends 75 pages calling Nachomamma8 scum with little reasoning, then "Squirrel!" they are voting together for someone. Then back to calling Nachomamma8 scum. I don't understand Bacde and he's very reluctant to explain himself. So he doesn't get the same town-points that CrashTextDummie gets.

4) Again. "Bad". Well, your case on me is bad. Damn, that's much easier to say something is bad instead of saying something substantial.

5) Ooh, "shitty". What a vocab!

6) Sorry, was busy lynching your scum-buddy Red Ryu the next day.

7) No, I specifically addressed the fact that your scum-read on me is based on nothing but OMGUS. You

still

haven't given an alternative explanation for why I ever ended up on your scumlist.

8) WTF?

9) Are you calling me scummy for lynching scum?

10) So shallow that you haven't bothered to refute or provide alternative explanations?

11) Oh shit, did you forget to write "bad" there? That's the lynchpin of your whole case! You can't be forgetting that word!

Summary:

When I replaced in, I found four players to be very scummy when reading: (Oversoul, Red Ryu, you, and Baby Spice/penguin_alien). I only have one vote and it's incredibly inefficient to make four simultaneous cases. So Day 1 I pushed a case on Oversoul. After Day 2 started, Bacde made a good case on thezmon221, so you got put on the back burner a little longer. Day 3, Bacde opened with some posts that rubbed me the wrong way because his logic doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Since he is a very active player, I made on case on him and

even he acknowledged that my case had a lot of merit

. Then the ThAdmiral case started up. I didn't agree with it, but I didn't have any reason to debunk it either. So I spent some time questioning it. Then that crumbled, so it was suddenly the perfect time to put my cards on the table about why I find you scummy.

Besides the fact that I'm "bad" and saying "bad" things. The entirety of your case seems to revolve on the fact that I didn't drop everything and try to constantly ineffectually get you lynched no matter what else is happening in the game. You seem absolutely mystified about the concept of a back-burner. I think this exposes that you've really only been skimming the thread and looking for mentions of your name so you can try to defuse any potential wagon before they start. Like scum does. Because you're scum and that's bad.

Khan, Red Ryu was killed at night... not lynched the next day... you just admitted to killing him. thanks for that.

I meant thezmon221, not Red Ryu.

I am not calling you scummy for lynching scum, I'm calling you scummy for attacking the leader of that day's scum lynch

YOU ADMIT THAT WE WERE A TOP SCUM-READ, YET YOU GO AFTER BACDE TODAY WHO LED THE LYNCH ON SCUM.

You proved the central argument of my case.

we were a scummier read to you all game, but you pursue Bacde today over us until I called you out on it. Bacde who lead the wagon on scum yesterday despite being under heavy attack. why?

That is the ONLY argument to your case and I've answered it 3 separate times (here, here, and here). You don't care. You literally do not care. So why do you keep asking "why?" as if you're scum-hunting?

and yes, you did try to subtly discredit us. I mean, what else would the whole "quick, who can tell me who are their reads" thing could be, especially when I'm attacking you.

You aren't even addressing my points, just throwing them off to the side... again

You were going around asking "Hey, why do you have a town read on KK?". I'm glad that you're acknowledging that that was an attack and not some sort of legitimate attempt to scum-hunt.

WTF? I addressed EVERY SINGLE ONE of your points. Try actually reading my posts. You've addressed nothing of what I've wrote. Not even a flat-out denial. Literally the closest thing you've done to addressing anything I've written it a 3 letter word. And I can actually use the word "literally" correctly.

Yeah that is pretty weak, in Khan's mind all three of you are bluescum so it's not really an outrageous mistake. Certainly not a freudian slip.

No, he's called us scum, but I don't thinks he's inferred that we are bluescum

Except when I showed that you were coaching blue-scum Red Ryu. You really haven't read a single thing I've posted, have you? Dingos monkey dishwasher fartfart. Doesn't even matter what I type right here at all.

Mala's tantrum and the followup by Mara feel very town to me, which is the first time since d1 that they have been townreading so strongly.

I'm stunned that someone can completely dodge a case; hell, not even appear to read it. Instead attack some random other people, say the word "psychological" a few times to sound smart then put on a little drama show and people call them town.

Bravo scummy heads of Amethyst Kitty. I'm actually impressed.

and no, you didn't answer that part of the argument you only reacted to it to make it look like you did. The only thing that resembles an answer would be the first post and even that one was

"you're scummy but I don't want to deal with you yet" kinda post. You don't just put your top scum-read on the back burner like that. just, no.

Okay, this is going to be revolutionary, so hold on to your seat. Mafia teams have

more

than one member. I'll give you a moment to process that idea.

So even if I think that you're scummy, I may put that aside for a moment if someone else is in the spotlight, because (*gasp*) they might also be scum. Insane, right? I might be trying to figure out the alignment of more than one person at a time.

Also, being that there are so many players in this game, I will react first to what's immediately happening instead of just random old stuff. So when Day 3 started and Bacde posted completely opposite reasoning for why he wanted Nachomamma8 lynched, I called him out on it. BECAUSE IT JUST HAPPENED. I really don't care that he was pivotal in lynching thezmon221 BECAUSE ALL SIGNS ARE POINTING TO A MULTIBALL SETUP. I'm typing stuff in caps BECAUSE ITS THE FOURTH TIME I'VE EXPLAINED IT TO YOU AND YOU'RE STILL POSTING DITZY BRAINDEAD CRAP LIKE:

you left us and went after bacde because Thez flipped Blue scum?

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and I have read your post, and I have responded to you.

Link it. Is it that post where you call it "bad" four times? Because that's not a response.

Amazingly suspect timing. When Amethyst Kitty gets 7 out of 10 votes and is clearly scum, you suddenly decide to start a counter-wagon. You need to bring something more substantial to the table than "meh" and "Fuck it".

Explain to me in one sentence why ak is "clearly scum".

This reeks of an "I don't give a shit about your case" attitude.

Here.

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@penguin_alien - I guessing that mastin2 listed Thor665 as "smurfed" instead of shot because it's "funny".

<<< This is correct. The Important Links post lists the correct flavor of "shot". >>>

So.. Back to lynching Amethyst Kitty?

I think you are red scum and there is someone on your team who is coaching you

Are you suggesting that the red scum team has day talk?

It's official. Bulbazak isn't scum. Same for ffullisade.

I'm not feeling an AK scum. It seems too easy.

I could easily see Seanald as scum ie lurking through most of the days to the extent I forget he's actually playing this game, coming in to bandwagon that sort of thing.

Easy? Pfft. The people on the Amethyst Kitty wagon were townier than those making excuses to stay off it.

If you want an easy wagon, look at Seanald. It's super-easy to wagon the guy that isn't putting up much of a fight.

Wrong. You get something from the lynch, but it's nor what you desired. You still get information, but it's using that information to your advantage.

Second time Amethyst Kitty has encouraged a wagon on someone that they aren't voting.

It's still a scum move.

what's the town motivation of setting up mislynches in the way Khan did because I can't really think of any.

Except I didn't "set up a mislynch". I pointed out that it's a scum move to say stuff like "hey, oversoul is town guys", and do

nothing

to prevent the lynch. No arguments, no counter-wagons, no show of town-tells, no meta arguments. Nuh-thang.

Except

after

I said that to tried to start a counter-wagon on EddieFenix. Because you knew that I was dead-on right.

Khan I take it you agree with my reservations re: the seanald wagon?

I do.

Kk:

I been told that if I move the vote its going right back on you. I'd vote Seanald, but I'm not allowed, but good job on trying to twist a conversation to your benefit.

Yet other people are saying so and so are scum, but you're not saying jack shit to them for not voting.

"twist a conversation"? WTF? It's one of the things about you I called scummy back in post 3770.

And calling someone town while not stopping their lynch IS COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DIFFERENT from saying "so and so is scum" and not voting. Only scum would try to play dumb and not understand that.

So we are back to this argument again? You need to let it freaken go I swear. This ISN'T helping anyone and certainly helping scum more by engaging in this useless tunneling behavior.

Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

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Just reminding everyone that Amethyst Kitty is still scum.

I'm behind and reading.

Spoiler: Khan Nightkilled

Massive apologies for the delay. I should have set the deadline for Monday where I could have started day (close to) on time. My appointment left me quite a bit late. Sorry.

<<< High spirits might not be in plentiful supply, but the citizens are determined not to let that get in their way. I mean, looking outside, it's such a lovely day and night. The weather's gorgeous, there's no clouds, the stars the moon the sun are all shining, and it looks like things will be nice and

*BAM*

...Nice and bright. Sure, there may be a lot of bad things going on, but life would recover sooner or later. There's plenty to look forward to! If they would survive, the citizens would have a lot left to thrive on. The violence in the streets might be insane, but not a challenge impossible to beat. They may be up against demons, and they're not exactly angels themselves, but surely, they can manage to win. They're all happy to

*BAM*

*ahem*

All happy to be a part of this lovely city.

Come daybreak, they knew there would be casualties, but they didn't expect what they were going to see. Dead in her house was the purest of them: she had been sweet, innocent, young, and perhaps naive, which would make the loss of their dear little angel all the more of a tragedy.

ArcAngel9

was not a threat, yet clearly her death was meant as a message.

At the other side of town, the next dead body is found next to his van:

Kublai Khan

has been shot. But...why the heck was he driving a van in the middle of the night? Looking inside reveals the contents of the van: it's clearly meant more as a party van, because there's a luxurious couch along with alcohol and several drugs. But wait...what else is there? Knockout gas? Restraints to tie people? Hmm, maybe looking at the couch closer to see what's on it would b--EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWW, gross!

...NOBODY should have to see that. "Party Van" indeed. Just not the type of party half the members 'invited' to would enjoy.

...Despite the depravity present, searching for any connections to the mafia turns up nothing. No weapons, no notes. He was a harmless wisecracking guy who just so happened to have a dark side--which, given the nature of these findings, was probably meant to be used for good. >>>

ArcAngel9

,

Vanilla Townie

,

Killed Night Three

.

Kublai Khan

,

Town Jailkeeper

,

Killed Night Three

.

Day Four!

Deadline for Day Four is Wednesday, July 31st, at 12:30 PM, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).
With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

C'mon ThAd, your not even pretending anymore...

[PeregrineV]

Sundays are not goo dmafia days for me. See you tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

Pikman Part 2.

Will come back later after others have said something.

[PeregrineV]

Ok I'll make it simple for everyone. Pv or me.

Either way I win because I am getting to the point where I don't care about this game any more.

So, scumhunting in thread is zero.

Scumhunting in QT is zero.

Effective vig shots taken is zero.

Actual scumreads is zero.

Fucks given is zero.

You win, I'll lynch you.

Vote: ThAd

[PeregrineV]

prod or poke received, but back later.

<<< Please make that 'back later' be today, and not Monday. >>>

[PeregrineV]

prod or poke received, but back later.

<<< Please make that 'back later' be today, and not Monday. >>>

My weekend access is spotty, as given in sig#3.

<<< Which is why I wanted you to post before the weekend began. >>>

[PeregrineV]

Is there an actual Human Destroyer case from the 5 HD voters? My biggest scum indicators came more from his hydra and Om's plays, although his play this game has been subpar.

For the neighbors, if it is balanced at 1 red and 1 blue, then Desp is town to me, leaving it between CTD and ThAd. ThAd has either bad luck or started with a crappy fakeclaim, but if he's town, then CTD is some scum PR (see Seanld's doc flip).

@Bulba

- I like your posting, and think your town. However, when that happens, I also wonder how you can be that strong a town-read and still alive. Can you speculate about why that might be?

[PeregrineV]

I'm a strong townread? When did this happen? I just thought that everyone was taking a break before they went for Lynch Bulba Round 3, because honestly, I can still feel that tension and urgency to make my scumhunting count before scum succeed in getting me lynched.

We just finished Amruika Mafia, where I was scum and you did a great job catching me, but were unable to get your case pushed through all the way. I feel like you are at a similar situation here. The fact there are 2 scumteams and neither has deemed you killworthy (ThAd notwithstanding) means that, if town, your cases have been on town.

If that's the case, I say use that knowledge to your benefit to see who has also joined your cases while still wanting to lynch you.

[PeregrineV]

PV, why do you think scum would NK someone who keeps getting wagoned up?

Because despite those wagons, the lynch isn't happening. But, a Bulba kill would also happen if Bulba was putting hard pressure on scum.

[PeregrineV]

We just finished Amruika Mafia, where I was scum and you did a great job catching me, but were unable to get your case pushed through all the way. I feel like you are at a similar situation here. The fact there are 2 scumteams and neither has deemed you killworthy (ThAd notwithstanding) means that, if town, your cases have been on town.

Didn't you push me as scum the entire time in that game and keep me around for Lylo?

We pushed you for scum because we didn't push ourselves, and the other players looked more townie than you.

Also, there were always better NKs than you (Doc, IC, townish hydra). So you going to lylo was either incidental or by Gorgon's design.

I mainly bring up that game because you were town there, and want comparisons to your game here.

[PeregrineV]

@Bulba-

Run me down a scenario of blue and red remaining, IYO, if there are 2 teams of 3.

Then repeat for 2 teams of 4.

[PeregrineV]

If CTD flips town than ThAd is going next.

Vote: CrashTextDummie

[PeregrineV]

If CTD flips town than ThAd is going next.

Vote: CrashTextDummie

Some reason why this couldnt have waited a few more hours?

If CTD flips town than ThAd is going next.

Vote: CrashTextDummie

Some reason why this couldnt have waited a few more hours?

Eh, given the town PRs that have flipped, it's hard to see CTD claiming something more useful and/or provable than vig. And I'd've hammered a VT claim. Add in CTD wandering off for most of the day phase, and I've seen worse hammers.

If you're town, CTD, some final reads would be nice.

[PeregrineV]

EBWOP:

If CTD flips town than ThAd is going next.

Vote: CrashTextDummie

Some reason why this couldnt have waited a few more hours?

If CTD flips town than ThAd is going next.

Vote: CrashTextDummie

Some reason why this couldnt have waited a few more hours?

Eh, given the town PRs that have flipped, it's hard to see CTD claiming something more useful and/or provable than vig. And I'd've hammered a VT claim. Add in CTD wandering off for most of the day phase, and I've seen worse hammers.

If you're town, CTD, some final reads would be nice.

[PeregrineV]

ThAd said he was shooting Cephrir last night, so good shot ThAd!

The additional NK establishes it- we are at 5town:2red:1blue, because I do think it's symmetrical.

Players

4. Nachomamma8
5. PeregrineV
9. Bulbazak
13. Desperado
14. penguin_alien
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal)
22. ffullisade (fferylit+pirate mollie)
23. Human Destroyer

Would like to see everyone's town-scum-scumcolor list.

[PeregrineV]

Would also prefer no voting until the exercise is complete.

[PeregrineV]

Would like to see everyone's town-scum-scumcolor list.

you can give me your scumlist or else i'll probably ignore you.

Go ahead, red. Let's see what everyone else has to say.

[PeregrineV]

Spoiler: Reads

TOWN

ArcAngel

BeautyAndTheBeast

Cephrir

Slandaar

(PereV)DLG
Bulbazak

Red Ryu

Amethyst Kitty

NULL

CrashTextDummie

Nero Cain

(Beazu)Bacde

Seanald

(HD)Om The Destroyer
(Peng)Baby Spice
Desperado

Syryana
Kublai Khan

SCUM

fuzzybutternut
Oversoul

Nachomomma8

(ThAd)ActionDan

EddieFenix
Thor665

So either he was busing his other partner {Nacho} or he put him in the null category. Saying null because everyone in the town I feel is actually town... (Exception: PereV, but I'm paranoid)

Mara says if Nacho is scum - he's more realistically red than blue.

Thing that kinda makes me want to rule out Nacho is that Bacade who gunned for Nacho until he was replaced/flaked never got killed. I think I need to go over the NK's again.

Also the fact the Ceph NK again points to us is pissing me the fuck off and is another reason I don't want to "roll over" to the possibility of PereV not being scum. Almost all the NK's have pointed to us which means someone is fucking toying and trying to frame us.

P-edit: PV said ThAd was the one who shot Cephrir.

[PeregrineV]

Limited Access Aug 30 (Fri) thru Monday- back in full swing Tuesday.

[PeregrineV]

Semi back but will be back for real later.

[PeregrineV]

The fact that there are three scum left should be apparent with the quicklynch of HD yesterday.

[PeregrineV]

So, what I really do is have to find 2 town out of the five. Or find enough connections to determine blue/red.

I'm sure there is some sort of best color to lynch (like if we lynch blue that puts us at a 2:2 endgame, if we lynch red, they can still crosskill, etc.) but I expect to hear red and blue argue those cases.

I was in the blue position before, and the best you can hope for is to lynch red, then you shoot red while they shoot town, leaving you with a 2:1 lylo.

But they got two votes now, and will vote in a block, as long as town keeps their head out of their ass long enough to find them.

Red, your best scenario is to lynch blue. Assuming nothing stops you, you take it to 2:2 which should give you the win. If you lynch town instead, it goes to 2 town-2 red-1 blue. If you shoot blue, then you will win or be in a 2:1 lylo with town.

So, scum, find each other.



Now, I would like to hear what penguin thinks of this. He was one of the red in the same game (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4890873).

[PeregrineV]

Has anyone seen Peregrine?

Semi-back today.

Who is the blue scum?


Who is the red scum?

[PeregrineV]

mollie and I need to synch before we put our vote down again. Hopefully tomorrow.

Sync up and give the blue-scum name, and the red-scum names.

[PeregrineV]

I'm not sure if this is for everyone or just AK, but I'm going to answer anyway.

Who is the blue scum?

PA

Who is the red scum?

I'm not sure, which is why I'm going through ISOs. I'm currently 1/3 of the way through Nacho's, after which I'll be going through B&B/Ffullisade (5 pages...).

It goes to everyone.

[PeregrineV]

Good to see there is some posts to read. I'll spend tomorrow trying to figure if Nacho is red or blue.

[PeregrineV]

Looking over VCs, Nacho has to be frustrated Red scum. And right now thinking rolecop, since his CTD read went from town to "stale" to surprise massive scum-case.

Anyone want to tackle an evolving Nacho-CTD tow-to-scumread?

[PeregrineV]

And Mastin has way too much VC info for it not to be used. Looking at some of the early wagons and voting should bring up more info.

[PeregrineV]

Poke received. I'll read up on everything today.

[PeregrineV]

Reserving today for this game. Anyone on?

[PeregrineV]

I'll read the last few days first, although I do not expect any revelations out of them.

[PeregrineV]

Sorry Mastin, I need a simple version for reference.

Players Alive
4. Nachomamma8
5. PeregrineV
9. Bulbazak
14. penguin_alien
21. Amethyst Kitty (Malakittens+MS Marangal)
22. ffullisade (fferylit+pirate mollie)


Players Claimed by the Violence (dead)
roflcopter, Bacde's slot, stormed out during pregame.
Rondar, Kublai Khan's slot, collapsed from exhaustion D1.
Mac, thezmon's slot, retired after a massive headache D1.
ActionDan, Hanzo_5's slot, had a mental breakdown and was removed D1.
DLG, PeregrineV's slot, pacified by a heavenly voice and left the street D1.
Hanzo_5, ThAdmiral's slot, driven to insanity and vaguely left an heir D1.
Baby Spice, penguin_alien's slot, became frustrated and RAGE QUIT D1.
fuzzybutternut, Haylen's slot, yaddayadda bowed out and got a similar replacement D1.
16.

Oversoul

,

Town 2-shot Bulletproof

, Lynched Day One.
Majiffy, half of BeautyAndTheBeast, ejected from the game D1.
12.

Syryana

, Mr. Rogers the

Friendly Neighbor

, shot Night One.
11.

Red Ryu

,

Blue Mafia Ninja

, shot Night One.
1.

thezmon221

,

Blue Mafia Goon

, Lynched Day Two.
8.

EddieFenix

,

Town Rolecop

, shot Night Two.
10.

Thor665

,

Vanilla Townie

, shot Night Two.
Om of the Nom, half of the hydra Om the Destroyer, dropped out D3.
15.

Slandaar

,

Vanilla Neighbor

, Lynched Day Three.
20.

Kublai Khan

,

Town Jailkeeper

, shot Night Three.
24.

ArcAngel9

,

Vanilla Townie

, shot Night Three.
Bacde, Baezu's slot, BURNED Day Four.
17.

Seanald

,

Red Mafia Doctor-Neighbor

, Lynched Day Four.
6.

Nero Cain

,

Vanilla Townie

, shot Night Four.
19.

Rena

(Haylen),

Town Watcher

, shot Night Four.
2.

CrashTextDummie

,

Blue Mafia Goon-Neighbor

, Lynched Day Five.
3.

Cephrir

,

Red Mafia Tracker

, shot Night Five.
7.

Baezu

,

Vanilla Townie

, shot Night Five.
18.

ThAdmiral

,

3-shot Vigilante

, shot Night Five.
23.

Human Destroyer

,

Vanilla Townie

, Lynched Day Six.
13.

Desperado

,

Vanilla Neighbor

, shot Night Six.

[PeregrineV]

Starting with ISO of dead blues, and their opinions on currently living players.

[PeregrineV]

Just about clearing Nacho as not-blue. Red makes so much more sense.

Alright, I'm a bit burnt out from reading about 25-26 pages, so I'll pick it up later (as in, in an hour or two probably). I suppose I'll give a general list of my reads on everyone. I'm not going to include a basis for them, and probably won't provide it right now because I've only read half the game thus far and will probably have another 5-10 pages by the time I read page 54. It's not in any particular order.

TOWN

ArcAngel
BeautyAndTheBeast

Cephrir

Slandaar
DLG

Bulbazak

Red Ryu

Amethyst Kitty

NULL

CrashTextDummie

Nero Cain
Bacde

Seanald

Om The Destroyer
Kublai Khan

Baby Spice

Desperado
Syryana
Kublai Khan

SCUM

fuzzybutternut
Oversoul

Nachomomma8

ActionDan
EddieFenix
Thor665

Just about all of my reads are pretty weak. I'll have a good feeling for the game hopefully before I actually hit this page.

[PeregrineV]

More thez reads.

I AM CAUGHT UP

Well, actually, I skipped 5-10 pages somewhere around 30 and 35, but I was able to get back in the loop. Sorry if you're disappointed with that, but I'm tired as hell from both school and reading these last 57 pages.

So, without further ado, here are my reads*:

TOWN:
[

ArcAngel, BeautyAndTheBeast, Slandaar, DLG

, Bulbazak, Amethyst Kitty,

Nero Cain

,

CrashTextDummie, Red Ryu

,

Bacde

]

NULL:
[

Seanald

,

Kublai Khan, Desperado, Syryana

, Nachomomma8,

Cephrir

]

MAFIA:
[

fuzzybutternut, Oversoul, EddieFenix, Thor665, Om The Destroyer

, Baby Spice,

Hanzo_5

]

*The order of the players is in no way indicative of the strength of my reads.

So, I'll now elaborate on reads that people want elaboration on, but I'm not going to elaborate on everything purely because there are 24 players I have to read and it's even more work and I'm tired.

Here's some notes from the pad of

Thez

:
--For the longest time I had Nacho penned as scum, and almost jumped onto his wagon for mainly the whole Oversould fiasco. However, his bout with the reads and wanting to lynch

Desperado

turned my head and convinced me that he might not be who he says he is. It is notable that every single person on that wagon I have as town (

Desperado

is null).
--

Bacde

is so obviously town right now, so if you think he's scum you should probably quit this game.

BatB

is pretty town too.
--Baby Spice is strangely very lurky. Also not quite so... worried. For lack of a better word/phrase.

Oh, and I felt I should address this:

@

Thezmon

Your reasonless list is nothing but filler. To paraphrase you, you said "Hey im here and im doing stuff, Im not done yet so it looks like im not doing anything".

Im bringing this to light because I see it as fluff and everyone else should too.

I dont know why your fluffy. But I dont care for it. Your life no linger matters to me. Plz fix that.

It's too bad I don't care. Maybe you should try putting something non-fluff yourself instead of calling out other fluff. My post had more content than yours. Your recent posts don't do much justice for you IME either.

Alright, so now I'm going to wrap up this post with this:
VOTE:

fuzzy

I don't like your overall mentality with the game at this point. You've been really dodgy this game. I don't find any value in any of your posts. Your reads are safer than

OS

's information was. Gut read? Really. Develop something. Try. Have AP Exams? Cool story bro, so do I. In fact, I have an exam on Thursday. You don't see me dodging the game and making useless third-party comments.

I feel

fuzzy

's gone unnoticed, and you should all notice him through my post.

Cephrir

's confrontation with him was a start. Oh, and I want a reads list from him too.

[PeregrineV]

Highlights of Senald wagon with Cephrir bussing, then Nero growing as a counterwagon.

Fun fact: The last time there was a crash that resulted in data loss, I was

also

modding a game. Is this a sign from above, that I should never mod again? Heck no! It's merely a sign of how awesome my games are; they're so volatile, the site crashes trying to handle them!

Ninety-Second Votecount

:

(Twenty-Fifth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "Mastin's games are clearly too good for this site to comprehend!" votecount.

)

Amethyst Kitty - 3 (Kublai Khan, Cephrir, ffullisade)

Nachomamma8 - 3 (Nero Cain, Bacde, ThAdmiral)

Nero Cain - 3 (Nachomamma8, Bulbazak, CrashTextDummie)
Seanald - 3 (Desperado, PeregrineV, ArcAngel9)
ThAdmiral - 2 (Human Destroyer, Slandaar)
PeregrineV - 1 (penguin_alien)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

Not Voting - 1 (Seanald)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 12:30:00).

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
ArcAngel9 is V/LA until Wednesday, Jun 19th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Amethyst Kitty - 3 (Kublai Khan, Cephrir,

Seanald

, ffullisade)
Nachomamma8 - 3 (Nero Cain, Bacde,

PeregrineV

, ThAdmiral)
Nero Cain - 3 (Nachomamma8, Bulbazak, CrashTextDummie)
PeregrineV - 1 (

Slandaar

, penguin_alien)
ThAdmiral - 2 (Human Destroyer,

Slandaar

)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Desperado - 0 (

ArcAngel9

)
Seanald - 3 (Desperado,

PeregrineV

,

ArcAngel9

)

Not Voting - 1 (

Seanald

)

Last votecount was page 163, post 4055.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

CrashTextDummie: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain
Cephrir: Rena->ThAdmiral->penguin_alien->Amethyst Kitty
Nachomamma8: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->PeregrineV->Slandaar->Amethyst Kitty->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain
PeregrineV: Nachomamma8->Seanald
Nero Cain: Rena->Nachomamma8
Bacde: Nachomamma8->Rena->Nachomamma8->Unvote->ThAdmiral->Seanald->Nachomamma8
Bulbazak: ffullisade->Bacde->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Nero Cain
Desperado: ThAdmiral->Rena->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->Amethyst Kitty->ThAdmiral->Seanald
penguin_alien: ThAdmiral->Unvote->ThAdmiral->PeregrineV
Slandaar: Amethyst Kitty->Rena->Desperado->ThAdmiral->Amethyst Kitty->PeregrineV
Seanald: Rena->Cephrir->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote
ThAdmiral: Nachomamma8
Rena: Bacde
Kublai Khan: Bacde->Amethyst Kitty
Amethyst Kitty: Seanald->Kublai Khan->Desperado->Kublai Khan
ffullisade: Rena->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty
Human Destroyer: Rena->ThAdmiral
ArcAngel9: Cephrir->Amethyst Kitty->Desperado->Seanald

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:30p,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3367.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:40p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3375.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 05:23p,

Nero Cain

votes

Rena

in post 3385.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 06:01p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Nero Cain

in post 3388.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 11:14p,

Kublai Khan

votes

Bacde

in post 3397.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 04:18a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3406.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 08:55a,

Desperado

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3417.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 12:32p,

Bubazak

votes

ffullisade

in post 3432.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 03:04p,

ArcAngel9

votes

Cephrir

in post 3444.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 06:46p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 3462.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 09:08p,

Seanald

votes

Rena

in post 3467.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 11:07a,

Desperado

votes

Rena

in post 3489.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 12:41p,

Bacde

votes

Rena

in post 3522.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 01:45p,

Slandaar

votes

Rena

in post 3528.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:15p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

ffullisade

and votes

Bacde

in post 3537.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:42p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Rena

in post 3543.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:04p,

Bacde

unvotes

Rena

and votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3548.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:48p,

Nachomamma8

votes

PeregrineV

in post 3584.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:49p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Slandaar

in post 3585.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:50p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3586.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 06:07p,

Nero Cain

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3623.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 03:49a,

Slandaar

votes

Desperado

in post 3625.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 10:02a,

Human Destroyer

votes

Rena

in post 3633.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 10:06a,

Bacde

unvotes

Nachomamma8

in post 3671.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:16a,

Desperado

unvotes

Rena

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3672.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:30a,

Bacde

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3673.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 12:08p,

Slandaar

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3678.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 06:50a,

Cephrir

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3711.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 10:31p,

Seanald

unvotes

Rena

and votes

Cephrir

in post 3730.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:17p,

Bacde

votes

Seanald

in post 3731.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:59p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Seanald

in post 3732.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 00:18a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Kublai Khan

in post 3733.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 01:07p,

penguin_alien

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3740.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:07p,

Human Destroyer

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3745.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:18p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3746.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 05:10p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3752.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:05p,

Nachomamma8

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3759.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:28p,

Desperado

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3760.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:02a,

Kublai Khan

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3769.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:50a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3771.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 07:28a,

Cephrir

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

penguin_alien

in post 3772.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:29a,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3774.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:53a,

Desperado

unvotes

Nero Cain

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3777.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 11:03a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Desperado

in post 3792.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 01:54p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Kublai Khan

in post 3821.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 01:59p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Bacde

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3822.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 08:37a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

ThAdmiral

in post 3857.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 11:53a,

PeregrineV

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3869.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 02:24p,

Cephrir

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3885.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 06:39p,

ThAdmiral

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3900.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 11:04a,

ArcAngel9

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3921.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:05p,

Seanald

unvotes

Cephrir

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3950.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:28p,

penguin_alien

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3962.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:42p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3966.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:50p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3967.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 02:52p,

Bulbazak

votes

Nero Cain

in post 3977.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 04:04p,

ffullisade

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3979.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 05:24p,

CrashTextDummie

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3989.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 07:29p,

Desperado

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3991.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 03:29a,

ArcAngel9

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

Desperado

in post 4015.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 04:56a,

Slandaar

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4016.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 10:05a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

PeregrineV

in post 4017.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 11:22p,

Desperado

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Seanald

in post 4038.
On Fri, Jun 6/21/13 @ 01:23p,

PeregrineV

votes

Seanald

in post 4056.
On Fri, Jun 6/21/13 @ 02:14p,

Seanald

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 4059.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 03:45a,

Slandaar

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 4066.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 08:24a,

ArcAngel9

votes

Seanald

in post 4070.

Seanald is at L-2!

Ninety-Third Votecount

:

(Twenty-Sixth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "Massprod = mass-activity" votecount.

)

Seanald - 8 (Desperado, PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, Bubazak, Cephrir, ThAdmiral, Slandaar, penguin_alien)

Nachomamma8 - 2 (Nero Cain, Bacde)

Amethyst Kitty - 2 (Kublai Khan, ffullisade)
Nero Cain - 2 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Human Destroyer)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

Not Voting - 1 (Seanald)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 12:30:00).

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Amethyst Kitty - 2 (Kublai Khan,

Cephrir

, ffullisade)
Nachomamma8 - 2 (Nero Cain, Bacde,

ThAdmiral

)
Nero Cain - 2 (Nachomamma8,

Bulbazak

, CrashTextDummie)
Seanald - 8 (Desperado, PeregrineV, ArcAngel9,

Bulbazak

,

Cephrir

,

ThAdmiral

,

Slandaar

,

penguin_alien

)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Human Destroyer,

Slandaar

)
PeregrineV - 0 (

penguin_alien

)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

Not Voting - 1 (Seanald)

Last votecount was page 164, post 4078.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

CrashTextDummie: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain
Cephrir: Rena->ThAdmiral->penguin_alien->Amethyst Kitty->Seanald
Nachomamma8: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->PeregrineV->Slandaar->Amethyst Kitty->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain
PeregrineV: Nachomamma8->Seanald
Nero Cain: Rena->Nachomamma8
Bacde: Nachomamma8->Rena->Nachomamma8->Unvote->ThAdmiral->Seanald->Nachomamma8
Bulbazak: ffullisade->Bacde->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Nero Cain->Seanald
Desperado: ThAdmiral->Rena->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->Amethyst Kitty->ThAdmiral->Seanald
penguin_alien: ThAdmiral->Unvote->ThAdmiral->PeregrineV->Seanald
Slandaar: Amethyst Kitty->Rena->Desperado->ThAdmiral->Amethyst Kitty->PeregrineV->Seanald
Seanald: Rena->Cephrir->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote
ThAdmiral: Nachomamma8->Seanald
Rena: Bacde
Kublai Khan: Bacde->Amethyst Kitty
Amethyst Kitty: Seanald->Kublai Khan->Desperado->Kublai Khan
ffullisade: Rena->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty
Human Destroyer: Rena->ThAdmiral
ArcAngel9: Cephrir->Amethyst Kitty->Desperado->Seanald

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:30p,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3367.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:40p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3375.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 05:23p,

Nero Cain

votes

Rena

in post 3385.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 06:01p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Nero Cain

in post 3388.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 11:14p,

Kublai Khan

votes

Bacde

in post 3397.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 04:18a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3406.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 08:55a,

Desperado

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3417.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 12:32p,

Bubazak

votes

ffullisade

in post 3432.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 03:04p,

ArcAngel9

votes

Cephrir

in post 3444.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 06:46p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 3462.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 09:08p,

Seanald

votes

Rena

in post 3467.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 11:07a,

Desperado

votes

Rena

in post 3489.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 12:41p,

Bacde

votes

Rena

in post 3522.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 01:45p,

Slandaar

votes

Rena

in post 3528.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:15p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

ffullisade

and votes

Bacde

in post 3537.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:42p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Rena

in post 3543.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:04p,

Bacde

unvotes

Rena

and votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3548.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:48p,

Nachomamma8

votes

PeregrineV

in post 3584.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:49p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Slandaar

in post 3585.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:50p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3586.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 06:07p,

Nero Cain

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3623.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 03:49a,

Slandaar

votes

Desperado

in post 3625.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 10:02a,

Human Destroyer

votes

Rena

in post 3633.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 10:06a,

Bacde

unvotes

Nachomamma8

in post 3671.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:16a,

Desperado

unvotes

Rena

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3672.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:30a,

Bacde

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3673.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 12:08p,

Slandaar

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3678.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 06:50a,

Cephrir

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3711.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 10:31p,

Seanald

unvotes

Rena

and votes

Cephrir

in post 3730.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:17p,

Bacde

votes

Seanald

in post 3731.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:59p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Seanald

in post 3732.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 00:18a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Kublai Khan

in post 3733.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 01:07p,

penguin_alien

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3740.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:07p,

Human Destroyer

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3745.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:18p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3746.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 05:10p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3752.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:05p,

Nachomamma8

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3759.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:28p,

Desperado

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3760.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:02a,

Kublai Khan

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3769.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:50a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3771.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 07:28a,

Cephrir

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

penguin_alien

in post 3772.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:29a,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3774.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:53a,

Desperado

unvotes

Nero Cain

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3777.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 11:03a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Desperado

in post 3792.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 01:54p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Kublai Khan

in post 3821.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 01:59p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Bacde

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3822.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 08:37a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

ThAdmiral

in post 3857.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 11:53a,

PeregrineV

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3869.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 02:24p,

Cephrir

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3885.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 06:39p,

ThAdmiral

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3900.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 11:04a,

ArcAngel9

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3921.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:05p,

Seanald

unvotes

Cephrir

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3950.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:28p,

penguin_alien

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3962.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:42p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3966.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:50p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3967.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 02:52p,

Bulbazak

votes

Nero Cain

in post 3977.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 04:04p,

ffullisade

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3979.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 05:24p,

CrashTextDummie

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3989.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 07:29p,

Desperado

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3991.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 03:29a,

ArcAngel9

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

Desperado

in post 4015.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 04:56a,

Slandaar

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4016.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 10:05a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

PeregrineV

in post 4017.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 11:22p,

Desperado

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Seanald

in post 4038.
On Fri, Jun 6/21/13 @ 01:23p,

PeregrineV

votes

Seanald

in post 4056.
On Fri, Jun 6/21/13 @ 02:14p,

Seanald

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 4059.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 03:45a,

Slandaar

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 4066.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 08:24a,

ArcAngel9

votes

Seanald

in post 4070.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 01:41p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Nero Cain

and votes

Seanald

in post 4081.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 02:02p,

Cephrir

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

Seanald

in post 4083.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 02:38a,

ThAdmiral

votes

Seanald

in post 4087.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 07:02a,

Slandaar

votes

Seanald

in post 4088.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 11:52a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

PeregrineV

and votes

Seanald

in post 4091.

Ninety-Fourth Votecount

:

(Twenty-Seventh Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "Crap, it's bad enough running short on flavor, but I'm short on one-liner commentary now, too!" votecount.

)

Seanald - 5 (PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, Cephrir, ThAdmiral, penguin_alien)

Amethyst Kitty - 3 (Kublai Khan, ffullisade, Desperado)

Nachomamma8 - 2 (Nero Cain, Bacde)
Nero Cain - 2 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Human Destroyer)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Rena - 1 (Slandaar)

Not Voting - 2 (Seanald, Bulbazak)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 12:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,

Seanald

would be lynched.

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Seanald - 5 (

Desperado

, PeregrineV, ArcAngel9,

Bulbazak

, Cephrir, ThAdmiral,

Slandaar

, penguin_alien)
Amethyst Kitty - 3 (Kublai Khan, ffullisade,

Desperado(2)

)
Nachomamma8 - 2 (Nero Cain, Bacde)
Nero Cain - 2 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Human Destroyer)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Rena - 1 (

Slandaar

)

Not Voting - 3 (Seanald,

Bulbazak

,

Desperado(1)

)

Last votecount was page 165, post 4103.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

CrashTextDummie: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain
Cephrir: Rena->ThAdmiral->penguin_alien->Amethyst Kitty->Seanald
Nachomamma8: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->PeregrineV->Slandaar->Amethyst Kitty->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain
PeregrineV: Nachomamma8->Seanald
Nero Cain: Rena->Nachomamma8
Bacde: Nachomamma8->Rena->Nachomamma8->Unvote->ThAdmiral->Seanald->Nachomamma8
Bulbazak: ffullisade->Bacde->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Nero Cain->Seanald->Unvote
Desperado: ThAdmiral->Rena->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->Amethyst Kitty->ThAdmiral->Seanald->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty
penguin_alien: ThAdmiral->Unvote->ThAdmiral->PeregrineV->Seanald
Slandaar: Amethyst Kitty->Rena->Desperado->ThAdmiral->Amethyst Kitty->PeregrineV->Seanald->Rena
Seanald: Rena->Cephrir->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote
ThAdmiral: Nachomamma8->Seanald
Rena: Bacde
Kublai Khan: Bacde->Amethyst Kitty
Amethyst Kitty: Seanald->Kublai Khan->Desperado->Kublai Khan
ffullisade: Rena->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty
Human Destroyer: Rena->ThAdmiral
ArcAngel9: Cephrir->Amethyst Kitty->Desperado->Seanald

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:30p,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3367.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:40p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3375.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 05:23p,

Nero Cain

votes

Rena

in post 3385.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 06:01p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Nero Cain

in post 3388.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 11:14p,

Kublai Khan

votes

Bacde

in post 3397.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 04:18a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3406.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 08:55a,

Desperado

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3417.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 12:32p,

Bubazak

votes

ffullisade

in post 3432.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 03:04p,

ArcAngel9

votes

Cephrir

in post 3444.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 06:46p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 3462.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 09:08p,

Seanald

votes

Rena

in post 3467.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 11:07a,

Desperado

votes

Rena

in post 3489.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 12:41p,

Bacde

votes

Rena

in post 3522.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 01:45p,

Slandaar

votes

Rena

in post 3528.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:15p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

ffullisade

and votes

Bacde

in post 3537.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:42p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Rena

in post 3543.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:04p,

Bacde

unvotes

Rena

and votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3548.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:48p,

Nachomamma8

votes

PeregrineV

in post 3584.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:49p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Slandaar

in post 3585.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:50p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3586.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 06:07p,

Nero Cain

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3623.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 03:49a,

Slandaar

votes

Desperado

in post 3625.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 10:02a,

Human Destroyer

votes

Rena

in post 3633.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 10:06a,

Bacde

unvotes

Nachomamma8

in post 3671.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:16a,

Desperado

unvotes

Rena

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3672.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:30a,

Bacde

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3673.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 12:08p,

Slandaar

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3678.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 06:50a,

Cephrir

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3711.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 10:31p,

Seanald

unvotes

Rena

and votes

Cephrir

in post 3730.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:17p,

Bacde

votes

Seanald

in post 3731.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:59p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Seanald

in post 3732.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 00:18a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Kublai Khan

in post 3733.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 01:07p,

penguin_alien

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3740.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:07p,

Human Destroyer

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3745.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:18p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3746.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 05:10p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3752.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:05p,

Nachomamma8

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3759.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:28p,

Desperado

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3760.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:02a,

Kublai Khan

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3769.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:50a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3771.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 07:28a,

Cephrir

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

penguin_alien

in post 3772.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:29a,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3774.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:53a,

Desperado

unvotes

Nero Cain

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3777.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 11:03a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Desperado

in post 3792.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 01:54p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Kublai Khan

in post 3821.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 01:59p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Bacde

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3822.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 08:37a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

ThAdmiral

in post 3857.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 11:53a,

PeregrineV

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3869.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 02:24p,

Cephrir

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3885.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 06:39p,

ThAdmiral

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3900.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 11:04a,

ArcAngel9

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3921.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:05p,

Seanald

unvotes

Cephrir

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3950.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:28p,

penguin_alien

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3962.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:42p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3966.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:50p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3967.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 02:52p,

Bulbazak

votes

Nero Cain

in post 3977.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 04:04p,

ffullisade

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3979.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 05:24p,

CrashTextDummie

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3989.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 07:29p,

Desperado

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3991.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 03:29a,

ArcAngel9

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

Desperado

in post 4015.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 04:56a,

Slandaar

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4016.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 10:05a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

PeregrineV

in post 4017.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 11:22p,

Desperado

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Seanald

in post 4038.
On Fri, Jun 6/21/13 @ 01:23p,

PeregrineV

votes

Seanald

in post 4056.
On Fri, Jun 6/21/13 @ 02:14p,

Seanald

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 4059.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 03:45a,

Slandaar

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 4066.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 08:24a,

ArcAngel9

votes

Seanald

in post 4070.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 01:41p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Nero Cain

and votes

Seanald

in post 4081.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 02:02p,

Cephrir

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

Seanald

in post 4083.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 02:38a,

ThAdmiral

votes

Seanald

in post 4087.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 07:02a,

Slandaar

votes

Seanald

in post 4088.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 11:52a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

PeregrineV

and votes

Seanald

in post 4091.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 04:08p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Seanald

in post 4104.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 04:20p,

Desperado

unvotes

Seanald

in post 4106.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 04:17a,

Slandaar

votes

Rena

in post 4126.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 10:33a,

Desperado

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 4133.

Ninety-Fifth Votecount

:

(Twenty-Eighth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "Ah, it's good to be on top of the world" votecount.

)

Seanald - 5 (PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, Cephrir, ThAdmiral, penguin_alien)

Amethyst Kitty - 3 (Kublai Khan, ffullisade, Desperado)

Nachomamma8 - 2 (Nero Cain, Bacde)
Nero Cain - 2 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Human Destroyer)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Rena - 1 (Slandaar)

Not Voting - 2 (Seanald, Bulbazak)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 12:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,

Seanald

would be lynched.

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Seanald - 5 (PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, Cephrir, ThAdmiral, penguin_alien)
Amethyst Kitty - 3 (Kublai Khan, ffullisade, Desperado)
Nachomamma8 - 2 (Nero Cain, Bacde)
Nero Cain - 2 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Human Destroyer)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Rena - 1 (Slandaar)

Not Voting - 2 (Seanald, Bulbazak)

Last votecount was page 166, post 4139.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

CrashTextDummie: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain
Cephrir: Rena->ThAdmiral->penguin_alien->Amethyst Kitty->Seanald
Nachomamma8: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->PeregrineV->Slandaar->Amethyst Kitty->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain
PeregrineV: Nachomamma8->Seanald
Nero Cain: Rena->Nachomamma8
Bacde: Nachomamma8->Rena->Nachomamma8->Unvote->ThAdmiral->Seanald->Nachomamma8
Bulbazak: ffullisade->Bacde->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Nero Cain->Seanald->Unvote
Desperado: ThAdmiral->Rena->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->Amethyst Kitty->ThAdmiral->Seanald->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty
penguin_alien: ThAdmiral->Unvote->ThAdmiral->PeregrineV->Seanald
Slandaar: Amethyst Kitty->Rena->Desperado->ThAdmiral->Amethyst Kitty->PeregrineV->Seanald->Rena
Seanald: Rena->Cephrir->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote
ThAdmiral: Nachomamma8->Seanald
Rena: Bacde
Kublai Khan: Bacde->Amethyst Kitty
Amethyst Kitty: Seanald->Kublai Khan->Desperado->Kublai Khan
ffullisade: Rena->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty
Human Destroyer: Rena->ThAdmiral
ArcAngel9: Cephrir->Amethyst Kitty->Desperado->Seanald

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:30p,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3367.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:40p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3375.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 05:23p,

Nero Cain

votes

Rena

in post 3385.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 06:01p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Nero Cain

in post 3388.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 11:14p,

Kublai Khan

votes

Bacde

in post 3397.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 04:18a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3406.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 08:55a,

Desperado

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3417.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 12:32p,

Bubazak

votes

ffullisade

in post 3432.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 03:04p,

ArcAngel9

votes

Cephrir

in post 3444.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 06:46p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 3462.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 09:08p,

Seanald

votes

Rena

in post 3467.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 11:07a,

Desperado

votes

Rena

in post 3489.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 12:41p,

Bacde

votes

Rena

in post 3522.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 01:45p,

Slandaar

votes

Rena

in post 3528.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:15p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

ffullisade

and votes

Bacde

in post 3537.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:42p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Rena

in post 3543.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:04p,

Bacde

unvotes

Rena

and votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3548.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:48p,

Nachomamma8

votes

PeregrineV

in post 3584.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:49p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Slandaar

in post 3585.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:50p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3586.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 06:07p,

Nero Cain

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3623.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 03:49a,

Slandaar

votes

Desperado

in post 3625.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 10:02a,

Human Destroyer

votes

Rena

in post 3633.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 10:06a,

Bacde

unvotes

Nachomamma8

in post 3671.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:16a,

Desperado

unvotes

Rena

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3672.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:30a,

Bacde

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3673.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 12:08p,

Slandaar

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3678.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 06:50a,

Cephrir

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3711.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 10:31p,

Seanald

unvotes

Rena

and votes

Cephrir

in post 3730.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:17p,

Bacde

votes

Seanald

in post 3731.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:59p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Seanald

in post 3732.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 00:18a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Kublai Khan

in post 3733.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 01:07p,

penguin_alien

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3740.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:07p,

Human Destroyer

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3745.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:18p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3746.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 05:10p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3752.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:05p,

Nachomamma8

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3759.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:28p,

Desperado

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3760.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:02a,

Kublai Khan

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3769.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:50a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3771.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 07:28a,

Cephrir

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

penguin_alien

in post 3772.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:29a,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3774.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:53a,

Desperado

unvotes

Nero Cain

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3777.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 11:03a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Desperado

in post 3792.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 01:54p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Kublai Khan

in post 3821.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 01:59p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Bacde

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3822.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 08:37a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

ThAdmiral

in post 3857.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 11:53a,

PeregrineV

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3869.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 02:24p,

Cephrir

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3885.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 06:39p,

ThAdmiral

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3900.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 11:04a,

ArcAngel9

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3921.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:05p,

Seanald

unvotes

Cephrir

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3950.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:28p,

penguin_alien

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3962.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:42p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3966.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:50p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3967.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 02:52p,

Bulbazak

votes

Nero Cain

in post 3977.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 04:04p,

ffullisade

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3979.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 05:24p,

CrashTextDummie

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3989.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 07:29p,

Desperado

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3991.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 03:29a,

ArcAngel9

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

Desperado

in post 4015.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 04:56a,

Slandaar

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4016.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 10:05a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

PeregrineV

in post 4017.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 11:22p,

Desperado

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Seanald

in post 4038.
On Fri, Jun 6/21/13 @ 01:23p,

PeregrineV

votes

Seanald

in post 4056.
On Fri, Jun 6/21/13 @ 02:14p,

Seanald

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 4059.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 03:45a,

Slandaar

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 4066.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 08:24a,

ArcAngel9

votes

Seanald

in post 4070.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 01:41p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Nero Cain

and votes

Seanald

in post 4081.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 02:02p,

Cephrir

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

Seanald

in post 4083.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 02:38a,

ThAdmiral

votes

Seanald

in post 4087.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 07:02a,

Slandaar

votes

Seanald

in post 4088.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 11:52a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

PeregrineV

and votes

Seanald

in post 4091.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 04:08p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Seanald

in post 4104.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 04:20p,

Desperado

unvotes

Seanald

in post 4106.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 04:17a,

Slandaar

votes

Rena

in post 4126.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 10:33a,

Desperado

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 4133.

Oh hey new page.

Ninety-Seventh Votecount

:

(Thirtieth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "...Crap, it's actually

two

." votecount.

)

Nero Cain - 6 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Bacde, ffullisade, Cephrir)

Seanald - 4 (PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, ThAdmiral, penguin_alien)

Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Kublai Khan)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Nero Cain)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Human Destroyer)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Rena - 1 (Slandaar)

Not Voting - 2 (Seanald, Bulbazak)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Friday, July 5th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-05 12:30:00).

If deadline were to hit now,

Nero Cain

would be lynched.

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Seanald - 4 (PeregrineV, ArcAngel9,

Cephrir

, ThAdmiral, penguin_alien)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Kublai Khan,

ffullisade

,

Desperado

)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Nero Cain,

Bacde

)
Nero Cain - 6 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie,

Desperado

,

Bacde(2)

,

ffullisade

,

Cephrir

)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Human Destroyer)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Rena - 1 (Slandaar)

Not Voting - 2 (Seanald, Bulbazak,

Bacde(1)

)

Last Mastin votecount was page 167, post 4150, but post 4175 has an AP votecount.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

CrashTextDummie: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain
Cephrir: Rena->ThAdmiral->penguin_alien->Amethyst Kitty->Seanald->Nero Cain
Nachomamma8: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->PeregrineV->Slandaar->Amethyst Kitty->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain
PeregrineV: Nachomamma8->Seanald
Nero Cain: Rena->Nachomamma8
Bacde: Nachomamma8->Rena->Nachomamma8->Unvote->ThAdmiral->Seanald->Nachomamma8->Unvote->Nero Cain
Bulbazak: ffullisade->Bacde->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Nero Cain->Seanald->Unvote
Desperado: ThAdmiral->Rena->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->Amethyst Kitty->ThAdmiral->Seanald->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty->Nero Cain
penguin_alien: ThAdmiral->Unvote->ThAdmiral->PeregrineV->Seanald
Slandaar: Amethyst Kitty->Rena->Desperado->ThAdmiral->Amethyst Kitty->PeregrineV->Seanald->Rena
Seanald: Rena->Cephrir->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote
ThAdmiral: Nachomamma8->Seanald
Rena: Bacde
Kublai Khan: Bacde->Amethyst Kitty
Amethyst Kitty: Seanald->Kublai Khan->Desperado->Kublai Khan
ffullisade: Rena->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty->Unvote->Amethyst Kitty->Nero Cain
Human Destroyer: Rena->ThAdmiral
ArcAngel9: Cephrir->Amethyst Kitty->Desperado->Seanald

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:30p,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3367.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:40p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3375.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 05:23p,

Nero Cain

votes

Rena

in post 3385.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 06:01p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Nero Cain

in post 3388.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 11:14p,

Kublai Khan

votes

Bacde

in post 3397.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 04:18a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3406.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 08:55a,

Desperado

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3417.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 12:32p,

Bubazak

votes

ffullisade

in post 3432.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 03:04p,

ArcAngel9

votes

Cephrir

in post 3444.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 06:46p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 3462.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 09:08p,

Seanald

votes

Rena

in post 3467.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 11:07a,

Desperado

votes

Rena

in post 3489.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 12:41p,

Bacde

votes

Rena

in post 3522.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 01:45p,

Slandaar

votes

Rena

in post 3528.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:15p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

ffullisade

and votes

Bacde

in post 3537.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:42p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Rena

in post 3543.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:04p,

Bacde

unvotes

Rena

and votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3548.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:48p,

Nachomamma8

votes

PeregrineV

in post 3584.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:49p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Slandaar

in post 3585.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:50p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3586.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 06:07p,

Nero Cain

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3623.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 03:49a,

Slandaar

votes

Desperado

in post 3625.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 10:02a,

Human Destroyer

votes

Rena

in post 3633.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 10:06a,

Bacde

unvotes

Nachomamma8

in post 3671.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:16a,

Desperado

unvotes

Rena

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3672.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:30a,

Bacde

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3673.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 12:08p,

Slandaar

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3678.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 06:50a,

Cephrir

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3711.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 10:31p,

Seanald

unvotes

Rena

and votes

Cephrir

in post 3730.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:17p,

Bacde

votes

Seanald

in post 3731.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:59p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Seanald

in post 3732.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 00:18a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Kublai Khan

in post 3733.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 01:07p,

penguin_alien

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3740.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:07p,

Human Destroyer

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3745.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:18p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3746.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 05:10p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3752.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:05p,

Nachomamma8

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3759.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:28p,

Desperado

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3760.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:02a,

Kublai Khan

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3769.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:50a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3771.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 07:28a,

Cephrir

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

penguin_alien

in post 3772.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:29a,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3774.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:53a,

Desperado

unvotes

Nero Cain

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3777.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 11:03a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Desperado

in post 3792.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 01:54p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Kublai Khan

in post 3821.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 01:59p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Bacde

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3822.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 08:37a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

ThAdmiral

in post 3857.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 11:53a,

PeregrineV

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3869.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 02:24p,

Cephrir

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3885.
On Tue, Jun 6/18/13 @ 06:39p,

ThAdmiral

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3900.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 11:04a,

ArcAngel9

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3921.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:05p,

Seanald

unvotes

Cephrir

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3950.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:28p,

penguin_alien

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3962.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:42p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3966.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 12:50p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3967.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 02:52p,

Bulbazak

votes

Nero Cain

in post 3977.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 04:04p,

ffullisade

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3979.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 05:24p,

CrashTextDummie

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3989.
On Wed, Jun 6/19/13 @ 07:29p,

Desperado

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3991.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 03:29a,

ArcAngel9

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

Desperado

in post 4015.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 04:56a,

Slandaar

votes

PeregrineV

in post 4016.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 10:05a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

PeregrineV

in post 4017.
On Thu, Jun 6/20/13 @ 11:22p,

Desperado

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Seanald

in post 4038.
On Fri, Jun 6/21/13 @ 01:23p,

PeregrineV

votes

Seanald

in post 4056.
On Fri, Jun 6/21/13 @ 02:14p,

Seanald

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 4059.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 03:45a,

Slandaar

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 4066.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 08:24a,

ArcAngel9

votes

Seanald

in post 4070.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 01:41p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Nero Cain

and votes

Seanald

in post 4081.
On Mon, Jun 6/24/13 @ 02:02p,

Cephrir

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

Seanald

in post 4083.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 02:38a,

ThAdmiral

votes

Seanald

in post 4087.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 07:02a,

Slandaar

votes

Seanald

in post 4088.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 11:52a,

penguin_alien

unvotes

PeregrineV

and votes

Seanald

in post 4091.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 04:08p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Seanald

in post 4104.
On Tue, Jun 6/25/13 @ 04:20p,

Desperado

unvotes

Seanald

in post 4106.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 04:17a,

Slandaar

votes

Rena

in post 4126.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 10:33a,

Desperado

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 4133.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 02:41p,

Bade

unvotes

Nachomamma8

in post 4153.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 04:19p,

Desperado

unvotes

Amethyst Kitty

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 4170.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 04:27p,

Bacde

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4171.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 04:28p,

ffullisade

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4172.
On Wed, Jun 6/26/13 @ 06:01p,

Cephrir

votes

Nero Cain

in post 4198.

[PeregrineV]

Bulba is a universal bluescum townread, until 4691.

[PeregrineV]

CTD reads

i don't think ThAd is lying about his target.

But you think

ThAd

should be lynched if he keeps getting blocked.

CTD, what are your reads?

Scum:

Nero

Bulba

Higher likelihood of being scum:

Seanald

PV

Nacho

Lower likelihood of being scum:

ThAd
Despo
Human Destroyer

Penguin Alien

Cephrir

Town:

Rena
Bacde

AK
Ffullisade

Based on interactions, I suspect the top end of this list to be populated mostly by red scum. Probably some blue scum in the lower likelihood pile.

ThAd

has been bumped down because his fake-out actually makes some sense as a town play.

Cephrir

has been bumped down because I think his play has looked rather town recently. Rest of those players I haven't really been paying a lot of attention to in while.

[PeregrineV]

P-edit: And that tells you what?

I don't know yet, since I'm not going to look at a single piece and call the whole picture yet.

When CTD comes out with his Bulba=scum read, both his partners were dead. Actually getting a lynch on his remaining teammate seems counterintiutive, esp. with redscum shooting for them both.
However, I need to see what CTD did (vote-wise) in addition to what he said.

Right now, strongly leaning you are not bluescum.

[PeregrineV]

@FFluisade-

Thoughts on Bulba not being bluescum.
Thoughts on Nacho not being blue, also, if you want.

[PeregrineV]

@FFluisade-

Thoughts on Bulba not being bluescum.
Thoughts on Nacho not being blue, also, if you want.

Do you think we are dealing with symmetric scum teams or 3-4?

I feel like Nacho is very unlikely to be blue scum. It made no sense for him to work at all to move the lynch off bulba and onto CTD if he were CTD's partner.

bulba as a team mate of CTD is a little more entangled than that. Will think on it.

Symmetric teams of 4 each.

And red is the best way to go today for town to win.

Vote: Nacho

[PeregrineV]

The claimed events from ThAd and Rena indicate to me that there is a scum roleblocker who cannot be blue, so he must be red.

What are you talking about?

The chain of logic starts from figuring that the roleblocker has to be red, then considering team composition rather than considering team composition and then trying to place the roleblocker, if I'm explaining that coherently.

Except you just leapt to "roleblocker must be red" with no logic whatsoever and then filled everything in with gobbledy gook. You haven't addressed my previous question. Why did you jump straight to red must have 3 PRs?

So my theories from likeliest to least are three red scum--all PRs--one neighbor, four red scum--three PRs--two neighbors, four red scum--three PRs--one neighbor--blue scum has Ninja + kickass PR.

Again, you have red scum as always having 3 PRs when we don't have the data to back that up. How did you reach this conclusion? It seems like quite a reach.

Ffullisade, you are not addressing any of my posts to you. I'd like you to rectify that please.

P-edit: And that tells you what?

This is in my ISO. But again, ThAd-Vig says he's shooting blue CTD. He instead uses a shot that is absorbed by protection on you. That same night, Rena says she is blocked. WHY would blue scum risk losing half their remaining team to ThAd's shot if they could prevent it? Why not block him and NK Rena if they thought she might witness the block?

Then, when ThAd's claimed actions the next day indicate he might shoot unpredictably, then he's blocked. So:

--A blue RB would have blocked him the third (first) night
--A town RB wouldn't have blocked him at all, or blocked Rena
--A red roleblocker...yeah, it fits. Even if we pretend you're not red, it's obvious that the roleblocker was happy to let the vig shoot when they thought he was pledged to hit someone the knew about and wasn't them, not so much when they couldn't predict his shot.

I've laid this out more than once now. Please don't pretend like I'm taking flights of fancy here.

Rena claimed blocked the same night Thad's Bulb shot failed, correct?
Why can't scum have blocked both?

[PeregrineV]

I really can't vote with you because I think it's 3-4. It comes down to PA or Bulba for me.

Nacho has already said there are 4 red scum.

[PeregrineV]

I really can't vote with you because I think it's 3-4. It comes down to PA or Bulba for me.

Nacho has already said there are 4 red scum.

So did I, implicitly. I've concluded I was wrong.

So you are now thinking 3 red scum and 4 blue scum?

[PeregrineV]

Even if I'm wrong, I'll want to lynch within the players I feel more strongly are scum. Nacho's red scum if and only if there are 4 red scum IMO.

So you have Nacho as town?

::sigh::

Then, who is the last blue and last red, IYO.

[PeregrineV]

@FFullisade- Also, finish this setup so it is balanced. At least one of the Mafia teams must contain at least one roleblocking role.

24 player game

Town

Town 2-shot Bulletproof
Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Rolecop
Town Jailkeeper
Town Watcher
Town Neighbor-3shot-Vig
3 Town Neighbors (T-M1, T-M2, T-TV)
8 VT

Mafia1

Mafia1 Ninja
Mafia1 Goon
Mafia1 Goon-Neighbor
Mafia1 ???

Mafia2

Mafia2 Neighbor-doc
Mafia2 Tracker
Mafia2 ???

[PeregrineV]

I've reversed my thinking on who is blue, but it comes down to the roleblocker argument. I don't remember PA making much noise about this as an indictment of bulba until this game day, which leads me to think she's known which team's kill was blocked that night and didn't want to draw attention to that knowledge before now.

PA - blue
bulba - red (and probably the roleblocker)

If there is a second red I think it's Nacho.

The only thing that bothers me about my theory is that PA could have played a more on-the-back-foot game today and waited to see where the winds would blow, and that might have been the optimal play unless she was convinced she'd be the lynch if she didn't take a strong early stance.

I would probably flip the two colors, but even then, I'm not sure enough where I want to lynch them today. Penguin's game is different from the last time he was scum in this situation. Bulb's almost lynch leans more towards town than scum, but I haven't analyzed the wagons with the latest flips.

Nacho is a shoe-in for red, and that puts us at 3:1:1 going into night, giving us the best chance to win.

[PeregrineV]

The missing Mafia2 is a roleblocker.

And the mafia1?

[PeregrineV]

Oh, and the missing mafia1 is a goon.

24 player game

Town

Town 2-shot Bulletproof
Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Rolecop
Town Jailkeeper
Town Watcher
Town Neighbor-3shot-Vig
3 Town Neighbors (T-M1, T-M2, T-TV)
8 VT

Mafia1

Mafia1 Ninja
Mafia1 Goon
Mafia1 Goon-Neighbor
Mafia1 Goon

Mafia2

Mafia2 Neighbor-doc
Mafia2 Tracker
Mafia2 Roleblocker

So why does Mafia1 get 1PR+3VT against Mafia2's 3 PRs?
Mafia2 can protect their members and have 2 sources of information at catching town and Mafia1 PRs.
Is that fair to the Mafia1 team?