NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

PeregrineV · Post Post #5150 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:50 am

In post 5148, Cephrir wrote:I mean, if the neighborhoods contain scum I think said scum are Seanald and you, and if not then the top of my scumlist is Rena and Nero. But I could have just told you "I think Seanald, PV, Rena and Nero are scum" and accomplished the exact same thing, and I'm still going to vote whoever I feel is scummiest out of that list of four, so I still don't see the point. I guess if the neighborhoods don't have scum it would change some of my reads due to associations but A.) I'm not going to reanalyze all my reads right now based on the possibilities that five given players are all town, and B.) We're so absurdly deep in hypotheticals at that point it's not much use anyway.

Basically I feel like you're pretending to be useful.

Not really. If you think Senald and I are scum, then you need 2 more in addition to Rena/Nero in your main group.

And if you think the neighborhoods are clean, you need 2-4 more reads from the main group.

Yeah, an "update" would be good.

ISO · Post Post #5151 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:57 am

I absolutely think the neighborhoods contain scum. But that's exclusively based on my reads of the actual neighbors. Also, what makes you so sure there are 8 scum? Not to mention, who says I need to have a number of scumreads equal to the number of scum if the setup were open? I don't honestly believe I've actually caught 4 scum, I'm sure I'm wrong about 1 or 2 of them. Welcome the mafia.

I will work on another list anyways though.

ISO · Post Post #5152 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:59 am

Welcome to mafia*

When I said that about the 8 scum I didn't see that your second paragraph does account for 6-8 scum, but the first doesn't...?

Nero Cain · Post Post #5153 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:01 am

Everyone claiming that I'm scum is a fucking retard but then again some of those are very likely to be scum so yeah.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #5154 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:39 am

Bulbazak is at L-1!

One-Hundred-Thirtieth Votecount

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(Twelvth Votecount of Day Four,

AKA, the "All modding work and no playing." votecount.

)

Bulbazak - 7 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Human Destroyer, Rena)

Rena - 2 (ffullisade, Cephrir)

PeregrineV - 1 (Nachomamma8)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Bacde)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (PeregrineV)

Not Voting - 2 (Amethyst Kitty, penguin_alien)

With

15

alive, it's

8

to lynch.

Day Four's deadline is Wednesday, July 31st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 206, post 5135.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D4

Spoiler: Vote History D4

Bulbazak · Post Post #5155 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:47 am

@PV: I've already given my thoughts on neighborhood setup spec. It does little good without a flip.

@Rena: I was the counterwagon to Nero yesterday, which was led by Nero himself. I think us both being on the Slandaar wagon is a poor indicator of us being scum together. If anything, I'd say it's much more plausible to believe that Nero switched wagons, because he didn't want to be caught as the leader of a wagon on town, which also happened to be his counterwagon. That would have given him unwanted attention the next day, the same type of attention I'm getting now.

@Nacho: You owe me some answers.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5156 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:06 am

In post 5110, ffullisade wrote:Nacho, you around?

I am now.

ffullisade · Post Post #5157 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:08 am

In post 5118, ffullisade wrote:Nacho, I think I've seen enough. Do you have meta to the effect that peregrine acts dumb as a post as town when someone puts a vote on him?

- f

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5158 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:12 am

In post 5118, ffullisade wrote:Do you have meta to the effect that peregrine acts dumb as a post as town when someone puts a vote on him?

Peregrine's frustrated me beyond frustration as town before, so unfortunately yes.

In post 5155, Bulbazak wrote:@Nacho: You owe me some answers.

I've given you some answers.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5159 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:12 am

Vote: Rena

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5160 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:14 am

Although I can answer that my PV scumread is in between MM and RayFrost, leaning more towards an MM scumread.

mastin2 · Post Post #5161 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:16 am

<<< As a warning, I'm going to be V/LA for most of today. If a lynch is achieved today, I will not be around to give a flip until tomorrow. >>>

(I'm drawing myself a birthday present, since I'm not going to really receive any true present beyond what I give myself. There will be plenty of "Happy Birthday, Mastin!"s thrown around, yet my drawing will be the only thing of true value I actually receive. But the drawing is an incredibly labor-intensive task.

)

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5162 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:21 am

In post 5122, Bulbazak wrote:Since when is lurking scum more dangerous to the town than scum that makes waves? Nero can do more damage with his influence than Seanald can, because all Seanald is doing is following others and staying in the shadows. Lurking scum can be countered effectively if identified. Scum such as Nero is more difficult to take care of, because they act like an infection in the entire organism.

Posts like this are far more likely to be coming from town than scum. Town wants to take out the big threats as opposed to the small fries usually because it's easier to have stronger conviction on active players than it is on less active players (more to go on v less to go on). I understand when he says that he's not willing to jump back into neighborhoods again today, and I don't see the scum motivation in not wanting to jump back into neighborhoods again. When using scum is in a certain group of players, it's pretty fucking easy to use that as extra ammunition for your scumreads (not only is X scummy, but he was on the lynchwagon yesterday!) and sort of chainlynch through the group. Bulba wanting to back away from that makes sense. Bulba backing away from that to protect Seanald??? Doesn't really make sense. Bulba's push on Seanald, if they were scum together, shows that he doesn't give a shit about bussing him. Why does he suddenly want to protect him now? Oh wait. There isn't a real reason for that.

Bulbazak · Post Post #5163 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:22 am

Nacho, what do you think about the fact that I was the counterwagon of Nero and Seanald yesterday? And why do you disagree about the Nero scum read? I thought you were for it yesterday.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5164 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:23 am

In post 5130, Bulbazak wrote:"Scum want to keep me around as long as possible."

read: scum want to keep me around as long as possible because i'm mislynchable and keep lynching town.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5165 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:24 am

In post 5163, Bulbazak wrote:Nacho, what do you think about the fact that I was the counterwagon of Nero and Seanald yesterday? And why do you disagree about the Nero scum read? I thought you were for it yesterday.

I don't care about counterwagons in general. I care even less about counterwagons in multiball.
I was for it yesterday, I'm not for it today because I'm letting people who can read him better than I handle it.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5166 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:28 am

I have literally no idea why Rena is not being instantly lynched at the moment, though. ThAd was blocked and Rena was blocked last night. ThAd's power is easily confirmable once he actually uses it (AKA he's not going to live if he keeps getting blocked OR Rena flips town), Rena's power is not. There's absolutely no reason for KK to protect Bulbazak last night, no reason for him to be antitown as fuck and block ThAd. Meaning Rena is lying about being blocked and needs to be lynched pretty badly.

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #5167 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:29 am

Heyheyhey

I'll be around tomorrow so can we please not lynch Bulb before then?

~Mara

ISO · Post Post #5168 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:29 am

Speaking of counterwagons, I think it speaks volumes that it's been absolutely fucking impossible to lynch Rena this game.

Scum should be chomping at the bit to lynch a claimed watcher given the chance, and they aren't.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5169 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:31 am

In post 5168, Cephrir wrote:Speaking of counterwagons, I think it speaks volumes that it's been absolutely fucking impossible to lynch Rena this game.

Scum should be chomping at the bit to lynch a claimed watcher given the chance, and they aren't.

don't talk about counterwagons, ty

ffullisade · Post Post #5170 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:32 am

Oh and look where Rena's vote is.

If I had no other reason to hate the bulba wagon, that would be sufficient.

- f

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5171 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:33 am

In post 5142, Rena wrote:I do agree with the rest of your points about him. I think even if Bulba flips town, we would learn a lot for tomorrow. Vote Bulba

ftr, Rena was just trying to sheep the case onto me in the post she made right before this one, but couldn't find it in time.

Bulbazak · Post Post #5172 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:38 am

Nacho, shouldn't town have something like a watcher, though, since blue team had a ninja?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5173 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:40 am

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #5174 (ISO) » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:42 am

Unless you want to say that both teams have Ninjas? Because Watcher is a ridiculously powerful role. In the hands of scum facing an opposing team, they can either hunt the other scumteam with the watcher or look for power roles. In the hands of town, watcher has TWO chances to catch scum's nightkill and nab a free scum while accidentally confirming town power roles, meaning that it's a bit overpowered.