NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

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VOTE: PeregrineV

[Nachomamma8]

What's your theory here exactly? Rena is a watcher who's scumbuddies with a roleblocker who targetted ThAd, and she claims to have targeted him as well with no result?

Rena's redscum and a watcher, probably NOT scumbuddies with roleblocker. She found a juicy power role to kill last night, didn't want to claim no result on someone random because that's risky, didn't want to claim actual result because that would mean that her team couldn't kill that juicy power role during the night.

[CrashTextDummie]

Nacho, explain your Bulba town read, please. All I remember you saying is that "HE HAS BEEN TOWN ALL GAME" at the end of yesterday, and while I thought he was town in the beginning as well, a couple of things have happened in the mean time.

Also, hiding behind other people's reads on Nero is weak coming from you. I've made a post pointing out some more things that are wrong with his play, to which yet has to respond. You aren't bothered by any of it?

[Nachomamma8]

I thought fuzzy's play was consistent with having a power role and reasonable enough for a player who seemed to be under time constraints/unable to keep up with the game.

You'll find that fuzzy's play is this regardless of his alignment.

[Nachomamma8]

To my knowledge, Rena hasn't done anything heinous either (except under-contribute, which in her case is more likely the result of her never really getting into the game but sticking around because she drew a PR, than of her being scum, in my opinion).

You don't have a problem with her saying that she was getting suspicious of me because of the cases against me and then being completely unable to come close to summarizing any of the cases against me?

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, explain your Bulba town read, please. All I remember you saying is that "HE HAS BEEN TOWN ALL GAME" at the end of yesterday, and while I thought he was town in the beginning as well, a couple of things have happened in the mean time.

I've addressed some of your recent concerns. You haven't commented on that; would you like to start there?

[Nero Cain]

Nacho, what made you change your mind on Rena?

[CrashTextDummie]

What's your theory here exactly? Rena is a watcher who's scumbuddies with a roleblocker who targetted ThAd, and she claims to have targeted him as well with no result?

Rena's redscum and a watcher, probably NOT scumbuddies with roleblocker. She found a juicy power role to kill last night, didn't want to claim no result on someone random because that's risky, didn't want to claim actual result because that would mean that her team couldn't kill that juicy power role during the night.

So her scum team didn't mess with ThAd at all and she didn't actually target him (arguably the easiest target to sell as pro-town from her PoV) and catch opposite scum in the act? Risking being caught out by a tracker, etc. in the process?

[Desperado]

Since when is lurking scum more dangerous to the town than scum that makes waves? Nero can do more damage with his influence than Seanald can, because all Seanald is doing is following others and staying in the shadows. Lurking scum can be countered effectively if identified. Scum such as Nero is more difficult to take care of, because they act like an infection in the entire organism.

Posts like this are far more likely to be coming from town than scum.

Town wants to take out the big threats as opposed to the small fries usually because it's easier to have stronger conviction on active players than it is on less active players (more to go on v less to go on).

I understand when he says that he's not willing to jump back into neighborhoods again today, and I don't see the scum motivation in not wanting to jump back into neighborhoods again.

When using scum is in a certain group of players, it's pretty fucking easy to use that as extra ammunition for your scumreads (not only is X scummy, but he was on the lynchwagon yesterday!) and sort of chainlynch through the group. Bulba wanting to back away from that makes sense.

Bulba backing away from that to protect Seanald??? Doesn't really make sense. Bulba's push on Seanald, if they were scum together, shows that he doesn't give a shit about bussing him. Why does he suddenly want to protect him now? Oh wait. There isn't a real reason for that.

@ Italics: Perhaps, but I don't think Nero has nearly the amount of cache that Bulb is giving him credit for here.

@ Bold: The scum motivation for not wanting to jump back into the neighborhoods is that scumBulb can only mislynch there so many times without incriminating a teammate.

@ Underline: Yeah, it makes sense for scumBulb. Why is townBulb shying away from following through with his neighborhood spec? Why was he so gung ho to get a neighborhood flip if he was going to withdraw from that line of thought after he got it?
Summary: I had the complete opposite reaction to that post.

[Desperado]

Where the hell is bacde?

<<< Prodded yesterday is where he is. >_> >>>

[ffullisade]

To my knowledge, Rena hasn't done anything heinous either (except under-contribute, which in her case is more likely the result of her never really getting into the game but sticking around because she drew a PR, than of her being scum, in my opinion).

You don't have a problem with her saying that she was getting suspicious of me because of the cases against me and then being completely unable to come close to summarizing any of the cases against me?

This was huge, CTD.

Nacho gave her 10 minutes. She replied after 9 minutes and change. It's worth quoting.

"that whole case made against you".
Summarize it, 10 minutes. Go.

I can't find why people were voting you o.o I've got the buddying Bulbz (possibly) thing.

That didn't answer my question, why all of a sudden has your read on me changed?

[Nero Cain]

Where the hell is bacde?

In his quicktopicks, lurking it out.

[Desperado]

Re: Nacho and Rena...yeah that exchange was atrocious.

[Desperado]

In particular I do not see town adding "I've got the buddying Bulbs (possibly) thing" at the end.

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[CrashTextDummie]

Since when is lurking scum more dangerous to the town than scum that makes waves? Nero can do more damage with his influence than Seanald can, because all Seanald is doing is following others and staying in the shadows. Lurking scum can be countered effectively if identified. Scum such as Nero is more difficult to take care of, because they act like an infection in the entire organism.

Posts like this are far more likely to be coming from town than scum. Town wants to take out the big threats as opposed to the small fries usually because it's easier to have stronger conviction on active players than it is on less active players (more to go on v less to go on). I understand when he says that he's not willing to jump back into neighborhoods again today, and I don't see the scum motivation in not wanting to jump back into neighborhoods again.

When using scum is in a certain group of players, it's pretty fucking easy to use that as extra ammunition for your scumreads (not only is X scummy, but he was on the lynchwagon yesterday!) and sort of chainlynch through the group.

Bulba backing away from that to protect Seanald??? Doesn't really make sense. Bulba's push on Seanald, if they were scum together, shows that he doesn't give a shit about bussing him. Why does he suddenly want to protect him now? Oh wait. There isn't a real reason for that.

Please rephrase the underlined because I can't make sense of it.

I still disagree on the "big threat/small threat" distinction, I don't think it makes sense from a town PoV and it looks to me like a fabrication on Bulba's part to justify his inconsistent behavior. Scum is scum. You've pointed out yourself that Seanald would be easier to lynch because of strong resistance to a Nero lynch. Bulba doesn't seem interested in reaching a consensus.

I don't understand at all his unwillingness to jump back into neighborhoods today, he claims to have a strong read on Seanald independent from his neighborhood status and he's already playing the "woe is me, I'm useless and a mislynch waiting to happen" card, which makes it completely counter-intuitive for him not to try to validate his beliefs wrt to the neighborhoods. It's not like he has much to lose in his purported state of mind.

I believe that Bulba and Nero came into today with a firm plan to crossbus for town-cred. They both claimed VT and have no other real means to do so except through scum-hunting success. Voting Seanald (buddy or not) doesn't fit the narrative.

Your turn.

[CrashTextDummie]

I see two p much mutually exclusive reasons for Peregrine to try and get votes onto Slaandar if he is scum. He could have been other-team hunting. Or he could have been protecting Bulba.

How do you make the distinction between other-team hunting and pro-town scumhunting? I agree that these are reasons he'd try to get votes onto Slandaar

if

he is scum, but you're using it as a reason to suspect

that

he is scum, which I still think only works if he's scum with Bulba.

[CrashTextDummie]

To my knowledge, Rena hasn't done anything heinous either (except under-contribute, which in her case is more likely the result of her never really getting into the game but sticking around because she drew a PR, than of her being scum, in my opinion).

You don't have a problem with her saying that she was getting suspicious of me because of the cases against me and then being completely unable to come close to summarizing any of the cases against me?

This was huge, CTD.

Nacho gave her 10 minutes. She replied after 9 minutes and change. It's worth quoting.

"that whole case made against you".
Summarize it, 10 minutes. Go.

I can't find why people were voting you o.o I've got the buddying Bulbz (possibly) thing.

That didn't answer my question, why all of a sudden has your read on me changed?

I don't remember this, let me check it out.

[CrashTextDummie]

To my knowledge, Rena hasn't done anything heinous either (except under-contribute, which in her case is more likely the result of her never really getting into the game but sticking around because she drew a PR, than of her being scum, in my opinion).

You don't have a problem with her saying that she was getting suspicious of me because of the cases against me and then being completely unable to come close to summarizing any of the cases against me?

Hm. I suppose the implication here is that she's fabricating reads/inventing reasons to suspect people and I can see that. It's hard to picture this coming from a pro-town mindset and I concede that it's a point against her.

This being multiball, she shouldn't have to invent reasons to suspect people as scum. It does look like bullshitting though, and that's more likely coming from scum not giving much of a shit than from town not giving much of a shit.

Still don't think she should be lynched today, as she's keeping ThAd from being messed with either way.

[CrashTextDummie]

lets not lynch until I can reply to all the shit from Bulb, Despo, CTD and Rena.

Says not to lynch, but doesn't unvote.
Takes almost a week to answer questions.
Is active in other games.
Lurks unabashedly:

hehehe. 3 days and no prod. This mod team blows.

Is scum.

[Nero Cain]

Why would I unvote when I'm down for a bulb lynch? Its not like I care if he gets lynched before I get to the other posting I need/want to do.

Don't think I've been lurking a week and its not like I'm the only "lurker" in this game. Infact, I think I've been quite active lately. I admit that I've been rather lazy these past few days but lurking. lol

Can you quote the post where I claimed VT?

[CrashTextDummie]

Why make that post if you don't care?

I can't quote the post where you claimed VT, because it didn't happen. I remembered two VT claims, but it was actually Slandaar and Bulba.

[Nachomamma8]

@ Italics: Perhaps, but I don't think Nero has nearly the amount of cache that Bulb is giving him credit for here.

He doesn't. That doesn't really matter much, though.

@ Bold: The scum motivation for not wanting to jump back into the neighborhoods is that scumBulb can only mislynch there so many times without incriminating a teammate.

If he has a scummate in the neighborhoods, then the other team probably does there aswell. And if he's afraid of incriminating them, then I don't think he would be so ready to jump into the whole "there are scum in the neighborhoods" rant in the first place. Do you?

Yeah, it makes sense for scumBulb. Why is townBulb shying away from following through with his neighborhood spec? Why was he so gung ho to get a neighborhood flip if he was going to withdraw from that line of thought after he got it?

I don't think he figured he was going to withdraw from that line of thought after he got it before he started lynching.

[ffullisade]

Why would I unvote when I'm down for a bulb lynch? Its not like I care if he gets lynched before I get to the other posting I need/want to do.

Don't think I've been lurking a week and its not like I'm the only "lurker" in this game. Infact, I think I've been quite active lately. I admit that I've been rather lazy these past few days but lurking. lol

Can you quote the post where I claimed VT?

I really don't like this post.

[Nero Cain]

Why make that post if you don't care?

nothing will change.

I mean, I'm behind but I don't care enough if Bulb I lynched before I finish.

Why not Ffery?

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[ffullisade]

Because it's weird that you apparently think whatever business you can't wrap up today can wait until day 5. And on the one hand you say you are not the only lurker in the game and on the other assert you've been quite active.