I have pretty high hopes in this Rena wagon.In post 5276, PeregrineV wrote:Is any wagon besides Bulba going to go through? We have 8 days and spending it hanging on Bulba and doing nothing else doesn't make sense.
lol no.In post 5281, Cephrir wrote:when you lynch town with a really solid case it's their fault.
I'll miss him. He's just as Obv town as you are NeroIn post 5279, Nero Cain wrote:We should still be lynching Bulb, even if he's town he'll be nothing but a distraction/no one will miss him.
@Cephrir- and your Bulba read.In post 5282, Nero Cain wrote:lol no.In post 5281, Cephrir wrote:when you lynch town with a really solid case it's their fault.
no one ever gets themselves lynched.
Your Rena read please?
In post 5283, Ms Marangal wrote:I'll miss him. He's just as Obv town as you are NeroIn post 5279, Nero Cain wrote:We should still be lynching Bulb, even if he's town he'll be nothing but a distraction/no one will miss him.
6 more hours~~
~Mara
In post 2815, mastin2 wrote:And we're locked in!
Flip will be within three hours.
Final votes:
Oversoul- 12 (Desperado,Kublai Khan, Syryana, Nachomamma8, Cephrir, Bulbazak,thezmon221,PeregrineV, Nero Cain, ffullisade,EddieFenix,Red Ryu)
Desperado - 6 (ArcAngel9, Thor665, Om the Destroyer, ThAdmiral,Oversoul, Slandaar)
Nachomamma8 - 3 (Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Bacde)
EddieFenix - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Not Voting - 2 (penguin_alien, Haylen)
With24players alive, it's13to lynch.
Oversoulwas lynched!
In post 3359, mastin2 wrote:And that's a hammer.
Sixty-seventh Votecount:(Fifteenth and Final Votecount of Day Two,AKA, the "Well, that was fast." votecount.)
thezmon221- 11 (Bacde, Desperado,Kublai Khan, Nero Cain,EddieFenix, Nachomamma8, Cephrir, ThAdmiral,Slandaar, Seanald,thezmon221)
Haylen - 2 (Om the Destroyer, penguin_alien)
Cephrir - 1 (CrashTextDummie)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Thor665)
Desperado - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Bacde - 1 (Haylen)
Not Voting - 4 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak, Amethyst Kitty, ffullisade)
thezmon221 has been lynched!
With21alive, it's11to lynch.
Day Two's deadline was Thursday, June 20th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which was in (expired on 2013-06-20 12:30:00).
Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
PeregrineV is V/LA until Friday, Jun 7th.
Nachomamma8 is V/LA until Tuesday, Jun 11th.
Last votecount was page 135, post 3352.Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
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Flip within a few hours.
In post 4823, mastin2 wrote:Votecount at time of deadline was such:In post 4822, mastin2 wrote:And that's time. Stand by!
One-Hundred-Eighteenth Votecount:(Fifty-First and Final Votecount of Day Three,AKA, the "ABOUT FREAKIN' TIME!" votecount.)
Slandaar- 9 (PeregrineV, Bulbazak, Rena, Amethst Kitty, Nero Cain, Cephrir,Kublai Khan, Nachomamma8, Desperado)
Bulbazak - 7 (Human Destroyer, Seanald, ThAdmiral,ArcAngel9, Bacde, CrashTextDummie, ffullisade)
Rena - 1 (Slandaar)
Seanald - 1 (penguin_alien)
All votes are in play.
With18alive, it's10to lynch.
Day Three's deadline was Friday, July 5th, @ 2:30 PM PST, which was in (expired on 2013-07-05 14:30:00).
Slandaarhas been lynched...Last votecount was page 193, post 4800.Spoiler: Changes from last votecountSpoiler: Player Vote History D3Spoiler: Votecount History D3
<<< Stay tuned for the flip! >>>
In post 5175, mastin2 wrote:
Bulbazak is at L-1!
<<< Seanald and Bacde have been prodded. Four additional warnings for activity have been sent. You guys need to pick up the pace. >>>
One-Hundred-Thirty-First Votecount:(Thirteenth Votecount of Day Four,AKA, the "Perfectly timed for a votecount." votecount.)
Bulbazak - 7 (Nero Cain, ThAdmiral, Seanald, CrashTextDummie, Desperado, Human Destroyer, Rena)
Rena - 3 (ffullisade, Cephrir, Nachomamma8)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Bacde)
Nero Cain - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (PeregrineV)
Not Voting - 2 (Amethyst Kitty, penguin_alien)
With15alive, it's8to lynch.
Day Four's deadline is Wednesday, July 31st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-31 12:30:00).
Last votecount was page 207, post 5154.Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
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I guess you haven't been convincing enough to pull together a Rena lynch, which is rather hypocritical don'tcha think?In post 5287, Cephrir wrote:Did you seriously just ask me for my read on Rena? My entire voting history is basically Rena->X->Rena->Y->Rena->Z->Rena ad infinitum.
I thought for sure that town had another investigative role besides Eddie (rolecop is kinda weak, imo), and given the ninja flip, watcher seemed to fit the bill. I also would think at this point that another investigative role would have enough information to start making headway in the game via PoE, and would have thus shared results. I guess they could just be playing it safe for another day, but the longer the game goes without such a claim, the more I think that Rena is our last investigative role. Now if there's something wrong with my train of thought, please inform me, but I see no reason to lynch what could be our last investigative role at this time.In post 5256, Nachomamma8 wrote:do you believe all of our investigative roles have been outed?In post 5254, Bulbazak wrote:@Nacho: Do you honestly think that rolecop was the only investigative role that we had?
Because I think he's scum and want him dead, I'm not convinced by any of your cases on PV or Rena, and I still think that a Seanald lynch, while best as a compromise lynch on scum, is not the best lynch for the day when Nero-scum, or some other form of destructive scum, is running rampant.In post 5257, Nachomamma8 wrote:but hey
that still doesn't answer my question of why are you pushing on Nero when no one is pushing it with you and no one has been for a very long time?
This is just bad. Now you're trying to push my lynch as PL this late in the game?!? You're desperate for this lynch to go through, aren't you.In post 5279, Nero Cain wrote:We should still be lynching Bulb, even if he's town he'll be nothing but a distraction/no one will miss him.
In post 4069, Cephrir wrote:Since apparently no one reads my posts. Now every time someone asks me why I suspect Rena and PA I am just going to link this post unless something new comes up. It has been a while since some of these things have been said but I see no reason they should be any less valid.
In post 2956, Cephrir wrote:De ja vous. Here you go, AK.In post 1799, Cephrir wrote:It's hardly just a lurker lynch. Have you read his posts? Mindless bandwagon hops, total uselessness, and even manages to contradict himself despite never saying anything useful. (One post he's not sure what he thinks about me, a couple posts later he votes me with no explanation). I don't actually understand why he's been allowed to get away with making posts of "Vote: x" and nothing else, and if I recall correctly both times were sheeps not of the largest wagon but of the most recent vote above his. How can you sound more like you just want to lynch anyone but you than that?In post 1410, thezmon221 wrote:Alright, so now I'm going to wrap up this post with this:
VOTE: fuzzy
I don't like your overall mentality with the game at this point. You've been really dodgy this game. I don't find any value in any of your posts. Your reads are safer than OS's information was. Gut read? Really. Develop something. Try. Have AP Exams? Cool story bro, so do I. In fact, I have an exam on Thursday. You don't see me dodging the game and making useless third-party comments.
I feel fuzzy's gone unnoticed, and you should all notice him through my post. Cephrir's confrontation with him was a start. Oh, and I want a reads list from him too.In post 2842, Cephrir wrote:In post 144, fuzzybutternut wrote:Tbh: I have a hard time reading Ceph.
It's not that he's not likely as scum. It's that I don't see him as scum.
Ryu, hmm. Now THERE is a likely scum if I ever saw one.
Don't want to vote him just yet though. Ryu, what do you have to say to this?Haven't looked into every possibility yet but for now,
VOTE: HaylenIn post 3446, Cephrir wrote:Buddy analysis, part I: thez posts
Fuzzy isn't in much danger at this point, so entering the game with a vote on him isn't too dangerous if they're buddies. I've been voting him for some time at this point and it's evident that's going nowhere fast. Also, it's not like fuzzy is worth keeping around as a scumbuddy anyway. This scumlist is interesting, and we'll compare it to his final one (after he's clearly getting lynched) later.In post 1410, thezmon221 wrote: MAFIA:
[fuzzybutternut,Oversoul,EddieFenix,Thor665, Om The Destroyer, Baby Spice, Hanzo_5]
Oh, and I felt I should address this:It's too bad I don't care. Maybe you should try putting something non-fluff yourself instead of calling out other fluff. My post had more content than yours. Your recent posts don't do much justice for you IME either.In post 1371, Hanzo_5 wrote:@Thezmon
Your reasonless list is nothing but filler. To paraphrase you, you said "Hey im here and im doing stuff, Im not done yet so it looks like im not doing anything".
Im bringing this to light because I see it as fluff and everyone else should too.
I dont know why your fluffy. But I dont care for it. Your life no linger matters to me. Plz fix that.
Alright, so now I'm going to wrap up this post with this:
VOTE: fuzzy
I don't like your overall mentality with the game at this point. You've been really dodgy this game. I don't find any value in any of your posts. Your reads are safer than OS's information was. Gut read? Really. Develop something. Try. Have AP Exams? Cool story bro, so do I. In fact, I have an exam on Thursday. You don't see me dodging the game and making useless third-party comments.
I feel fuzzy's gone unnoticed, and you should all notice him through my post. Cephrir's confrontation with him was a start. Oh, and I want a reads list from him too.
He claims the RR wagon isn't a bus... would he do that if he knew it was? I don't know. Though this was a misunderstanding, it's worth noting nonetheless.In post 1435, thezmon221 wrote: PEDIT:Who is bussing Nacho? If you're saying that the RR wagon is a bus, then we have greatly differing definitions.Cephrir wrote:Are you seriously suggesting this is a bus of Nacho before Nacho has even flipped? Not to mention that anyone would ever bus this hard? =/
The Nacho wagon does have a lot of townreads on it, and the RR wagon really has the opposite. That's the most important point in its favor for me, but I'm still not convinced. What I am convinced of is that most of the voters on that wagon believe what they're saying, and maybe that should be enough reason for me to get on it as an admittedly bad scumhunter, but it still isn't. That's just not how I vote.
Stand-in for a bunch of posts like this one. thez does a lot of soft-chainsawing of Nacho, like a *lot*. I think this is white-knighting, as the connections between them are too damn easy to draw. But the opposite isn't entirely out of the question.In post 1611, thezmon221 wrote:One-two viable points and an ass load of meta is not good enough for me. I don't need a "little bit" more, I need a decent amount more.In post 1602, CrashTextDummie wrote:Thezmon also rubs me the wrong way. He's all "your points are good, but I need justa little bitmore to get me to vote him". It feels forced. He hasn't expressed a town read on Nacho, so I don't see why the existing arguments shouldn't be enough to turn him into a scumread. Nor why he's not rereading Nacho himself to figure out if he's a good lynch. Right now it looks like he's just hedging his bets, hesitant to join the major wagon in the game. I did have a scum read on his predecessor which probably makes me biased when it comes to reading his posts, but this looks plainly scummy to me.
Sure, I haven't expressed Nacho as a town read, but he isn't necessarily a scum read either. I like my vote where it is right now, and nobody's been able to provide a solid case for me. Bacde has just sputtered out a point periodically among the "VOTE NACHO VOTE NACHO HE'S NOT TOWN HE'S SCUM META META META" crap.
Now, *this* is how you don't vote for a scumbuddy.In post 2231, thezmon221 wrote:Have you shown why you think Nero is scum? If so, could you redirect me? If not, could you tell me? It seems like a novel, and maybe slightly random, read.In post 2181, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:But a Nero lynch is better. C'mon Nacho.
You know, I was about to really be on board with the Baby Spice lynch. Her post #2197 was truly terrible, as pointed out by Syry. Like, I had written out my vote as well as my reasons for the vote, only to then see her rage-replace vote. However, the frustration she inhibited and her replace out makes me want to wait for penguin to post some stuff for us since we still have a bit under a week.
My analysis of RR was pretty surface, but it's interesting nonetheless that his scumbuddy tried to dismiss it and make the idea that my analysis sucked more of a town-wide opinion rather than just CTD's. Perhaps I was onto something after all?In post 2931, thezmon221 wrote:Exactly what I thought. It sounds like an easy attempt by Cephrir to get some cheap towncred for something that is actually not very beneficial and shows very little ACTUAL depth of analysis.CrashTextDummie wrote:You were a scumread yesterday.Your Red Ryu interaction analysis feels extremely surface to me(for example, you have thezmon as null when his one interaction with Ryu, an opportunistic vote on him by Mac, pretty clearly indicates they're not scum together) so I went looking for mentions of Red Ryu in your ISO and you look like a good bet for being his buddy yourself. You started out wavering on him and having him as null, then moved him to "officially scummy" when he started emerging as a counterwagon to Nacho's without contributing your vote (you were sitting alone on B&tB pretty much for the duration). You then gradually shifted him back down your list of suspects (he was a "question mark" among players on Nacho's wagon) for no discernible reason other than he wasn't posting much. In hindsight, you singling him out for "mindless Nacho pushing" bugs even more, because his attack against Nacho was more confusing than anything else in my opinion and only really obvious as a scum play to his scumbuddies.
Bacde just shot up in scumminess with me. His recent push on Nacho is so terrible. Not really sure what the point of him claiming vig is to me. It sounds like a panic and perhaps a cover-up for a tracker seeing him kill someone. It also sounds like another terrible way to frame Nacho in a bad light. Like, seriously. Even if he really is a vigilante, why is he mad at Nacho for the roleblock?
I've already pointed this out but I may as well point it out again. If you make this slip-up and Haylen isn't your scumbuddy you probably don't care enough to correct it.In post 2939, thezmon221 wrote:Oops, that's what it should say.In post 2938, thezmon221 wrote:True, I forgot about that. However Haylen'sCephrir wrote:@thez: Do you really think bluescum would bus today? they lost one already and it's multiball.death and flip as bluescumwouldn't clear you as town, mind you.
Oh? Are they?In post 2965, thezmon221 wrote:Reminds me:Kublai Khan wrote:Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?
CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???
What do people (not just KK, but KK can answer too) are the chances that at least one, if not two, of the neighborhoods are town-scum neighborhoods? I personally would say the chances are pretty good.
Who uses this phrasing if they are a member of Nacho's party?thez wrote:He claimed to be RBed by Nacho's party.And Bacde is claiming vig with no kill on the board? I smell bullshit on that one.
At this point thez is pretty clearly going down. penguin_alien has disappeared compared to the original scumlist for no discernible reason. Desp, AK and myself have appeared on it, also for little discernible reason.In post 3247, thezmon221 wrote: SCUM:
Haylen
ThAdmiral
Om the Destroyer
Desperado
Cephrir
Amethyst Kitty
And now to comb through everyone else's posts.But I'm not completely closed to considering other possible bluescum connections if they're actually persuasive. I recognize that I can be wrong seeing as I usually am. But this also means that I'm more open to hunting redscum (which, again, I didn't really want to bend my personal efforts to yet because I'm more confident in my ability to scumhunt by association, even though I have never actually caught scum either way) as long as these two are alive and unlynched, since there doesn't seem to be anything I can do about it.In post 3739, Cephrir wrote:Buddy analysis, part deux
Again I'll be ignoring my overall town/scumreads to what extent I can.
CTD- Light suspicion of thezmon early D1 and (lol) said he was "clearly not scum with RR". No conclusion.
Nacho- has thez as 'strong town' early on, later votes him. Could be blue.
PV- nothing
Nero- not much interaction, but among the earliest thez voters. With RR dead, I don't think there's any chance blue would have voted him until his death became inevitable. So I'm giving Nero a free pass.
Bacde- ahahahaha no
Bulb- not much interaction
Desp- big argument with thez + myself about essentially nothing. I don't think thez would have gone this far attacking his scumbuddy.
PA- defended thez after his claim; end of 3279 sounds potentially like someone who helped thez craft his claim (doesn't see the glaring issues with it, possibly wasn't paying attention when thez botched it). Likely partner, because if you're PA, who is widely suspected and grade A useless, if you're scum with only thez, your only play is to try to save him.
Sland- Light scumread on thez eventually, suggests lynching him long before anyone else does, which I would think was possibly safe bussing except he then presents a somewhat compelling if brief argument. Good point wrt those who were on the wagon and got off, I'll keep that in mind.
Sean- nothing, shocker
ThAd- Maybe-fake rage about thez's continued survival (this is after his death is inevitable). Also that one Hanzo post. Analysis today based on the premise that scum must have bussed thezmon is kind of bluey.
Rena- fuzzy and thez has a small but pissy argument about his activity level (frustrated scumbuddy?). Rena asked someone why they were voting thez at one point and then never mentioned him again.
KK- initially hesitant about Bacde's case but ultimately becomes an early voter.
AK- has thez listed as town, but doesn't know why. Not sure I see the scum motivation is jumping on thez then immediately jumping off because they apparently needed to ask me a question.
ffull- effectively an early voter
Om- Defended thez after claim with suggestion that he should live for now. Don't like it.
AA9- suspected thez early; his explosive reaction = not scumbuddies.
Likely thezmon buddies
p_a
ThAd
Om
Nacho
Rena
Unlikely
Bacde
Desperado
KK
AA9
ffull
Nero
No conclusion
CTD
PV
Bulb
Sland
Sean
AK
Considering thezmon's posts and both of my blue lists, I conclude that the most likely blue scum are Rena, Penguin, Om, ThAd and Slandaar.
Bacde, Nero, Kublai and AA9 are pretty much clear of being blue in my book.
In post 4128, Cephrir wrote:Yep she's pretty much blatantly scumIn post 4127, Slandaar wrote:Lets just lynch Rena...
Rena is obviously scum 'IMMA PR YOU GUIZ LOOK I HAZ BREADCRUMBS I NO DO ANYTHING ELSE THO LOLOLOLOL'. I mean wow, 'ohhhhhh we can't lynch claimed PR gotta test da claim!' no you don't shes scum you just lynch her.
Who actually believes town has all the power claimed so far plus whatever is left? Of course noone does; Rena is scum.
Why isn't Sean 'too easy?'In post 4084, Rena wrote:I'm not feeling an AK scum.It seems too easy.
I could easily see Seanald as scum ie lurking through most of the days to the extent I forget he's actually playing this game, coming in to bandwagon that sort of thing.
Scum has been found.
VOTE: Rena
Regardless of whether he is actually a vig Thad is obviously trolling us at this point... maybe he was only claiming vig to live another day, is scum, and knows he's dying tomorrow when no kill shows up... but that still isn't a reason to lynch him. I don't know what we should do if he won't quit trolling, like, I've never been in a situation like this before and I just don't know how to respond to it.
In post 4593, Cephrir wrote:Every opinion in Rena 1571 is exactly the majority town opinion; she's a little paranoid about the townreads that there are 1 or 2 people suspicious of; is paranoid of CTD and calls him town in the same post; doesn't want to direct the vig and is a little paranoid of CTD thereby encouraging ThAd to shoot CTD; we should wagon Desp despite him being a townread for a stupid reason (and btw it turns out most people react to pressure, not that I wasn't scumreading Desp back in the day but still); pointing out Slandaar's 'contradiction' is useless since this is multiball anyway so it can't possibly be a slip; insinuation that ThAd is only a *claimed* vig; and why the hell do you think "the scum team" is particularly powerful? (Air quotes because there are two scum teams, unless I suppose you're on one of them)
In post 4672, Cephrir wrote:Rena with the omgus of the century. Nice play!
We're letting three good lynches slip through our fingers and it is driving me up the fucking wall
In post 4722, Cephrir wrote:Let me know when someone has a reason for us not lynching this on the spotIn post 4681, Rena wrote:If you're planning on fake claiming cop, it wont work. Insane cop is not a normal role.In post 4678, Cephrir wrote:(Also, omgus can be a scumtell, depending, and in this case, with these wagons where they are, I think it is. There's also the aspect where you're scum so I tend to interpret additional actions as scum motivated)
In post 4861, Cephrir wrote:4593 is a criticism of one post, but that post is pretty representative of her play. If you add "and she is doing all this constantly" to the end of the post, well, basically yes.
In post 5168, Cephrir wrote:Speaking of counterwagons, I think it speaks volumes that it's been absolutely fucking impossible to lynch Rena this game.
Scum should be chomping at the bit to lynch a claimed watcher given the chance, and they aren't.
Basically, Rena made that post to pre-empt what she thought was going to be a cop-with-a-guilty claim from me. Given that it would be stupid for scum to fake a guilty on D3, the only reasonable take-away from that post is that she does investigate as guilty.In post 4694, Slandaar wrote:Rena is still alive? lol. How is it possible?Hey Guys! I have read the thread now and Slandaar didn't respond to me so I am going to vote him!In post 4669, Rena wrote: Slandaar never answered why he is contradicting his own read on me.What? Where did this come from??! I swear I read the thread!!!In post 4631, Slandaar wrote:Good point, why didn't you vote me?In post 4571, Rena wrote: Slandaar contradicted himself in post 4444 he refers to me as the town watcher and then puts me at the top of his scumlist in post 4557. Which is it? I could definitely see Cephir as scum.
Oh Wait...
(It wasn't a good point I was clearly not being serious about Rena being town in 4444)
No! I have opinions on other things too! I just didn't mention them yet I will get right on that!If Ceph claimed cop guilty on me he would have a legitimate result because I am investigated as scum! But he would be fake claiming! oh definitely a fakeclaim!In post 4681, Rena wrote: If you're planning on fake claiming cop, it wont work. Insane cop is not a normal role.
First, if were assuming redscum/bluescum (which I AM assuming), then Bulb and AK do not have to be the same scum.In post 5294, Nero Cain wrote:PV, if you think AK is scum and killed Thor + Khan why do you think Bulb is town for defending her? + Bulb as been all over the place with his AK read.
You don't think scum defend each other like that?
This is a really strange post in context. The only wagon with more than 1 vote other than Bulba's is Rena, who you would prefer. But you put another singleton vote on Seanald.In post 5231, penguin_alien wrote:Prefer Rena lynch to Bulbazak right now, although I would go with Seanald over both. Actually,
VOTE: Seanald
If anyone has a town read on him and wants to dissuade me, have at it.
