Lemming Mafia - Mini 1196

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/confirm and i get to pick first! Cool!

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Pick: Creatures

Oh look! Its a double vote.

Vote:Pere
Vote: Forest

See how quickly that bw backfired on you?

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Just kidding btw, i dont know what my mission is yet.

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Vote: sAb

Weird name

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@CK- We have a time limit on picking missions. How will we decide who gets the bad role? Also, is the person doomed to get lynch regardless? So as town, you are basically just confirming a crap role and getting lynched because you are useless?

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Lol at Tazaro's jumpy play. I am still trying to decide if I find your double posting mixed with constant mind changing scummy. It kind of looks like you just don't think/edit before you post.

I am fine with the CK's plan so long as everyone agrees not to pick a mission. BTW- just so no one is worried about not getting missions yet, I still have yet to receive mine. I dont think we get shown our missions until everyone has picked.

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Animorph, you dont have a case and the more you pressure Taz the way you are doing, the more it makes me dislike your posting and find you scummy.

The only scummy reaction Taz has given is his OMGUS vote on Animorph. Why did you vote him? You seem adamant about not defending past actions yet you vote the person who is attacking you for said reasons. Is it not scummier to OMGUS someone then to defend yourself or do you actually have a legit reason to vote ani?

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Unvote.
Vote: Forest_air

FoS: Mikemike

Never made a Random vote to start the day. Why is that?

I will not fault you for FoSing... even if it is not sound reasoning. I will fault you for continuing your meaningless pressure vote to push on the missions. You now have an FoS which means you need to be voting who you think is actually scummy as opposed to your current meaningless vote.

The only scummy reaction Taz has given is his OMGUS vote on Animorph. Why did you vote him?

Because I don't think even animorpherv1 is that bad as town. It's like he's going overtime to be scummy.

So then your reason is meta based? Ani has not done anything that indicates overtime scummy. He is just pushing a stupid case.

I am interested in the current Ani/Taz exchange. Look at this:

@Tazaro:

I got back from a break on February and played in like 3 games total since, 1 was a replace in. Don't you even try to stick meta on me.

Thanks for making me want to policy lynch you, really.

No defense for this? None? All right...

There's no defense from policy death if people turn out to care a great deadly deal about my criminal past.

Not even an "I swear I won't do it again!", Tazaro?

Alright then.

unvote, vote Tazaro

For the above + defense of Peregrine.

Maybe I am misreading this... but it sounds as if ani was pushing his vote due to Taz's meta but then tries to say he can't be scum based on his own meta. Kinda contradicting right?

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@Taz- I dont know what you just said.

@CK- What gives him the right to state he has changed but assumed that Taz has not and consequently votes him based on meta?

@M=W- Bad post. Its like a prod avoidance post. Your reasoning on F_A is baseless and reads to me as "I need to get someone in here or I will be thought of as a lurker." I understand you are not into the game yet so here is a vote to help you get motivated.

Vote: Me=Weird

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@M=W- How would you think is the best way as scum to stay involved but not become really noticed. I.E> Dont lurk but dont become the center of attention.

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Only game I have played on this site.

I want a little less Taz and Ani right now and a little more everyone else. For the moment, I see nothing obv scummy so my vote will stick with Mew (stealing CK's abbreviation).

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I dont see why it needs to be rephrased. Assuming you are scum, how would you go about playing your game? I play mafia with the assumption that Scum generally dont want to be noticed. You do this by attempting to look as towny as possible. How would you play your game so that attention is not drawn towards you yet make sure that you are active enough so people dont notice you for lurking?

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Pressure vote =/= Joke Vote

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I have not been voting on policy and will not remove my vote until I see mew as town or find someone who warrants a vote more so then him. I dont understand why you are so concerned with my voting Mew? You two have a thing going on or something?

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Intrigued by CK's last post. Honestly, seemed a bit over dramatic for just stating that Pere was fake voting Ani. However, your case is much stronger then my "read" on Mew.

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Vote: PeregrineV

BTW- I find poker's post out of the hybrid very town but disliking Batt's posts... This is hard to determine a hybrid as scum when I start getting conflicted like this.

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After reading and watching for a bit, I have decided that Peregrine is not really that scummy. His posts have been consistent, even if he votes have not been. Not to mention his reactions to having 5 votes have been stable and not aggressive. That either leads me to believe he is town being pushed on by scum or scum being bussed as scum. I dont find it likely that scum would be bussing so early.

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Oops... Sorta forgot about mafiascum.

My read on you CK is town for now but I can see an easy difference between batt and poker. Poker's post are more thought out and opinionated where as Batt's seem to just be space fillers and often he only comments on the obvious instead of giving opinions.

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Crap... sorry I am back and will place a thought today.

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Before I finish my brief re-read... what the hell is peregrine doing? Are you really just looking up all the votes on you and posting them? Is there a point to that?

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Well, that's some good news considering our town lynch yesterday.

What did we decide was best as far as discussing the mission powers? On the one hand, I would prefer scum not to have more information than they already do, but I also don't want town to get all the useless missions.

Another thought which occurs to me: I don't like that other people will know what I will be getting. That could be pretty good information for the scum. Is there something we can do with regard to this? Should maybe the same people get those missions?

Vote: Jedo

This post is a person being fake town. I especially dislike the first sentence.

Quick ISO shows decent scumhunting but all on the same player. I see few reads from him on anyone.

Oversoul has also caught my eye with his comment on Mafia Kills. Maybe he assumes a doc protection because he knows mafia can not be blocked? Unfortunately, mod confirmed kill can be blocked so that idea is out the window. Doesn't mean I am not curious with Oversoul...

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malpascp (picked Cement)
Kublai Khan (picked Jack Hammer)
PeregrineV (picked Lemming Pledge)
me=weird (picked Concrete Mixer)
TOGTFO (picked Creatures)
Chuji Kunisada (picked Bookie)
mikemike778 (picked Limo)
Tazaro (Pier)
jilynne1991 (picked Fedora)
Shadow Dancer (picked shooter)
Oversoul (picked Payoff)
Jedo the Jedi (picked Cliff Diving)

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Sorry, clicked submit instead of preview on that last post.

malpascp (picked Cement)

Kublai Khan (picked Jack Hammer)

PeregrineV (picked Lemming Pledge)

me=weird (picked Concrete Mixer)

TOGTFO (picked Creatures)

Chuji Kunisada (picked Bookie)

mikemike778 (picked Limo)

Tazaro (Pier)

jilynne1991 (picked Fedora)

Shadow Dancer (picked shooter)
Oversoul (picked Payoff)

Jedo the Jedi (picked Cliff Diving)

Bookie

>Polkadot tie

Shooter
Payoff

>Race

Concrete Mixer
Cement

>Thief

Jackhammer
Pier
Limo

That means only three new cards. That is alot less then what I figured and I am really conflicted on claiming my power. I dont know the odds of it showing up again.

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@Mod, if someone roleblocked the Mafia member who sent in the kill, will the kill still go through?

Roleblock ability always comes before a kill in any game.

This is what I was referring too.

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Protecting a citizen is not the only option. Someone could have easily blocked the target person who preformed the kill instead.

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Mew was an early scum read of mine but has turned null. I would have to look back and see why and I am not up for that tonight. Mal i have no current opinion on.

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I dont care for your mafia theories as they hurt my wee brain.

I do care about why you assume a roleblocker is not important to scum. Hasn't town already considered a roleblocker being the reason for no kill?

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Double post:

Chuji Kunisada - town (

if Peregrine flips town, you are probably scum

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Yo?
Man, something's wrong with this M=W-Chuji-Oversoul triangle.

I want answers from this.

Why is CK being roleblocked even mentioned?? How is that important at all?

Can someone please confirm that M-W was the roleblocker and blocked CK or was that just speculation?

I think the neighborizer missions can prove useful. If we ever establish a pro town person, we can get that person to QT with someone who could possibly have information. Just a thought and might not even be useful for this day as no one has proven themselves move clear then anyone else.

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I am very interested.

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We need to clear up this blocking business soon.

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Before telling my target, I want to know if there are any other kill-stopping roles (Doc, JK, etc)

Terribad inquiry.

FoS: Malp

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I found it odd that shooter was not a vig. I suppose that was just too obvious. Can someone please explain why M=W has votes right now? I dont think he is the best lynch for today.

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Taz is not auto scum for being roleblocked and Malp voting him was stupid because of it. However, Scum voting their roleblocking target? I dont think so...

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Considered replacing out but instead will post this:

V/LA all next week.

I will be able to read at night and give my thoughts but due to me being really tired, I will not be doing much in the research department.

I am having a hard time believing Malp as scum. Roleblocking Taz as he did and voting based on it is a pathetic excuse to buss a partner or lead on a town. I will need more proof based on this but at the same time... Taz does not look like a decent lynch either.

I would be more satisfied with M=W despite what I said earlier.

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Are we going to allow cards to be picked before we hammer?

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I pick Thief.

Taz is town to me despite the spam.

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After careful consideration and thought, I decided I am going to claim this.

Thief means I can steal one person's mission card and they will be left with nothing tonight. That means no power guaranteed for someone. I am intending to use it on Malp regardless of what he picks but if someone else has a thought on who is not deserving of a power tonight, please let me know. If figured this was the best way to make my power Town handy.

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I was told what my card does as soon as I picked it. I have to pick before the day ends.

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I'd think it be best if TOG would not tell anyone who he planned to steal from. It can make it easier to get catch scum in a lie, and I think that it was a mistake outting the ability.

I disagree. The person who I steal from would know. He/She is told that they do not have any mission card that night. Should it be brought to town's attention that someone didn't receive a card, how obvious is it that Thief is what preformed that action. It just seems like I picked a fairly anti town card and I wanted to make it as pro town as possible by getting everyone's input. I will not pick Malp but instead pick someone who I find scummy.

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@TOG: Please, you need to explain this, so we can have a better idea about potential uses for it:
1. Does your card steal basically just roleblock the target or can you use that card at night instead?
2. If you don't receive the card yourself, does it remove the card from the game?

Ah... so you are one of those players who needs to know every last detail even if they are not that important.

1. My card must be used before the day ends and i essentially take someone else's card.
2. I have no idea why I would not receive the card.

Once I pick someone to steal from, they get nothing tonight and I get their card.

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Vote: Malp

I have not picked my target yet but I decided instead of just stealing from Malp, I would rather lynch him. I think this is our better option.

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I really don't like all of Taz's bargaining. I still see him trying to buy time just so he can survive for one more day. That's all scum need is one more day of not being lynched, and eventually they are the last ones standing.

I don't think you people read well, or scum is trying to suddenly turn the lynch away from their buddy. mal's reasoning was that if Taz was scum, he would be the most likely to send in the kill for the team because nobody would suspect him. It's a little WIFOM-y, but it's not totally unreasonable. I've done stranger things as a cop.

If I am lynched, which would flip me as town, I would urge people to look into you.

Noted. I have disliked Jedo's fence sitting posts anyways.


I have picked my target and will reveal tomorrow. Instead of roleblocking Mal, why not just lynch him Oversoul? I see people being cautious of him but no one willing to flat out lynch.

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Taz's reactions have been genuine and I dont see how people are reading it as scum. He just has an awkward post style.

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Got a couple things to claim before I give my reads and thoughts.

First off, Creatures is a doctor protection. I dont know what the odds of it showing up again but I saved Chuji night 1. I figured with all the claims going around of roleblocking and different things, this is probably something that needs to be added to the list.

Second, I picked Taz last night cause I did not know what he would be left with and could not change my pick. Also, I had no problem with taking a vanilla card as it meant I wouldn't die tonight for having a potential useful town role. Kinda selfish reasoning but I really didn't want to die yet without claiming my protection.

As for who we should lynch today, I am leaning towards Jedo or Malp but I need time to look into why and who is a bigger threat. I have been very busy and will not be off V/LA till next Wednesday.

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I dont understand why M=W is obv town. I am not currently considering him scum but... obv town?

The doc protection is creatures and flavor doesn't really fit. Its like, you know about all creatures big and small. Its a protection against kills for one night so the no kill night one could have been my save on CK.

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Here but unable to make a case. This is going to bite me in the butt latter since I am lurking so much but I dont have time to spend on quoting posts and researching ISO. I have been skimming the game still and I still feel a Malp lynch would be a good option. I need to reread Jedo before I can establish him as scummy.

@Mike- I had no reason to prevent a Taz lynch. It was not for certain that my protection was the reason for the night kill and CK was the only person I would have claimed to save. I did try to derail the wagon but only because I assumed Taz was town, not cause of my information.

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I agree with Mike, no one person should claim the same card over and over. There is greater risk in that then gain I believe.

Oversoul babbles too much, thats on my mind so figured I would share it.

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@Mike- I think you are missing the point. Yes there could have been more reasoning for a no-kill but for the moment, there was only one left and that was CKscum being blocked by M=W. Now the issue is that you blocked M=W when it is more then likely he is town having blocked scum. You should have blocked CK as that was the most likely solution for who made the kill night 1.

@CK-

Am I just about confirmed town (as in, you will not lynch me) if I claim that I have a guilty result on someone, and they flip scum?

That mixed with a doc protection means yes for me however did no one target you at all for the roleblock last night? Plus, I dont know if there is a cop in the mission cards.

Would shadow be confirmed town if he gave me a role (inventor of sorts), and it made me a 1-shot cop that got a guilty on someone?

No he would not because we dont know the logistics of the role. Maybe he gives a random role and was trying to appear pro town or maybe you two are scum partners. This is different then claiming a guilty as bussing in a small mini theme with such diverse powers is not the best tactic.

Would TOG be confirmed town if he used a doc ability on a town player (If I am confirmed town, then my kill wasn't RB'd, therefore the doc protect is the reason for the no kill)?

I am town but I think llama considers me town due to when I claimed and how I did it, not who I targeted and/or saved.

Would Mal be confirmed town if there is confirmed scum on his wagon yesterday (scum wouldn't run up one of their own to distance from a mislynch)?

This is the same as bussing with a cop guilty in my opinion so I wouldn't considered alignment with lynches, at least not drastically just yet.

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Can we stop the soft claiming and just get out what it is you want to say? You have given so much information already so it seems pointless to beat around the bush.

Claim everything right now and lets decide how to handle it.

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Jedo- I have no problem with you killing llama tonight, as long as you are prepared to be lynched tomorrow. Llama is going to be holding a roleblocker ability (which is the only reason he is not one of the targets).

This

Jedo stop being difficult. We have people who are considered more town then others based off actions. If someone gambled in this game, the mechanics would probably screw them over as everyone gets the same cards and it is not hard to confirm who has done what.

@Llama- You do realize that arguing with jedo is mostly pointless if he is scum, right? I am just saying that you are not going to convince him of anything and shouldn't have too.

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I honestly dont care what power I get but our time is running short.

Which is more important at the moment and which is more dangerous for scum to have? I dont think fendora is a big threat if we lynch right today. If we lynch wrong, then its game over assuming three scum vs four town.

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pick: limo

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Vote: mike

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Jedo, you should read Llama's posts. Regardless of if you think he is scum or town, his last post was very pro town and perfect reasoning why you should shoot who we have given you and no one else. CK does not need to die yet.

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I am worried and purpose that a roleblocker block jedo if he continues to remain adamant with his CK kill.

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I am worried and purpose that a roleblocker block jedo if he continues to remain adamant with his CK kill.

you mean propose ?

Shhh before i lynch you... oh wait..

@CK- i dont like that idea as it means Jedo could be just stupid hard headed town and that would ruin the game for us.

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Limo allows a person to switch with one other person and any actions preformed on you or him/her will be swapped. I picked Jedo last night which means scum tried to kill me which resulted in Jedo's death.

I would have picked someone more scummy like mew or malp but I was not sure who Jedo would target for his vig and didn't want to essentially bg our vig kill. Note that Theif is back in play and can be used to prevent someone from getting a card.

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Also, who was blocked last night? With two roleblockers and still a kill went through? Does that mean the scum kill can't be blocked?

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I just want to hear the role block targets.

I can defend my actions well enough but thats only going to happen if I am actually being accused. Right now, Llama is trying to PoE and everyone else is hiding. This is a mylo situation today, no lynch could be a viable option.

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Very well...

I find myself town in an awkward position with scum's actions. Last night made perfect sense for me to pick Jedo over anyone else. If I picked someone more scummy, there was the possibility of being vigged by Jedo. If I picked someone who was for sure town, there was the chance I would end up killing them.

Here is my reasoning and thoughts for what happened last night. Mafia knew of my power but also knew that I would not pick someone in danger of being killed. That left me with the choice of SD, CK, Llama, Jedo or to not use my power at all. At the end of yesterday, I was considered one of the more Pro-town people in the game. It would make sense to kill me as either I would die from fear of using my power on the wrong person, or a Pro-Town player would die. This is also why I picked Jedo out of everyone because his actions yesterday lead me to believe he was the least pro-town.

Anyways, that is the logic behind my power usage and why I think I was targeted.

Shadow is the best clear we have, so his ruling on missions will be final. I still say we should No Lynch today as there are many possibilities to who is scum.

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Trying to pin it on Malp? I see...

That is your point though Llama. Scum tried to kill me because I am town who might not have used my power or would have attempted to protect a town person with it. I think scum tried to outsmart me.

If I am scum who has been gambitting this whole time with my doc protection and thief steal, then wouldn't I have played this a bit smarter then outright claiming I killed Jedo with my limo? The problem with your reasoning is, you are staking to much wifom on me and I dont play for an epic wifomy win. I play to win straight out and the easiest way possible if you will excuse my meta claim.

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As much as I agree with you SD, I dont want to assume that Llama as scum would clear his partner and pin both town players. I guess what I am saying is that Llama is not completely daft and it would be hard to tell if he would buddy with his partner to clear him or buddy with a town for wifom purposes.

I would like CK to get in here and post please.

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No lynching is still a viable option imo. Just give SD the limo and there is no problem as anyone else dying at this point is not really that big of an issue.

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Allright then.

Limo allows you to switch places with one person. Anything that happens to that person, instead happens to you and visa versa. Its pretty standard.

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My suggestion:

Vote: No Lynch

ShadowDancer- Limo
TOGTFO- Thief
malp- Jackhammer
Llama-cement
CK-bookie
Mew-concrete mixer

I would probably steal Jackhammer or llama's cement. If Jackhammer is really that big of a threat that it can kill, then I dont want it in scums hands.

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Fine, Shadow with thief and llama with limo. I will take cement but I still really think a no lynch is our best option.

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@Shadow- If you had a problem with my no lynching plan then you should have said something. The only thing you didn't like was the limo/thief which was solved...

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question:

Wasn't it stated that a jackhammer can kill? How is that?

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Pardon?

@M=W- What pressure? No idea where you are getting your accusations from but I have been here. Now no lynch please.

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I am Yellow.

No lynch please.

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I am going to be very surprised if CK and Llama are on the same scum team.

Vote: Extension

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Can someone explain why lynching llama is better then a no lynch? Are we worried about a cement kill???

I do not want to lynch Llama. In fact, it scares me that we are lynching Llama as I am willing to believe a CK-Malp team. I would just reallllly prefer to narrow the list down by one for tomorrow.

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Tog- I still don't see why you think llama is town. He hasn't done any scumhunting at all. Hell, even shadow thinks he's scum and has actually put forth an effort and read Llama's ISO to prove it. I don't recall if you even reread the game or read llama's ISO.

See this is a very scummy post to me. Its not that I consdier llama town, its that you have just as much probablity as being scum. You are pressing his lynch with acusations that are false. Llama has scum hunted (Yes PoE is scum hunting) and given way more input into this game then most players, me included. Yet you press for his lynch and are using our only confirmed player as a sheild to do so. Shadow may be town, but that does not mean he knows who scum is.

@SD- You have not aknowledged the possiblity of CK being scum. I dont think he is scum with Llama but it would be very unlikly for both of them to be town. No lynching can help us narrow down our suspects (Llama, CK, mew, mal from my PoV) and give us better odds of picking the right person to kill. Not to mention, we may even block both scum tonight.

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Pick: Cement

Seriously... I am siding more and more with Llama over CK right now and that means that scum have a role block tonight so their kill will not be stopped.

@SD- Post count is one thing, having an opinion that can be used as a read is another.

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Then No lynch SD. I rather do that then lynch CK or Llama

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Doesn't Jackhammer prevent the cement death? Just have jackhammer be on Mew tonight. If that still not good enough, I can roleblock CK tonight and then there is for sure no way that the two roleblocks will cement anyone to death.