Ok.
Reads:
Jedo the Jedi - Town
PeregrineV - town (his flip will change a couple of my reads)
mikemike778 - null
jilynne1991 - wtf? null
Chuji Kunisada - town (if Peregrine flips town, you are probably scum)
Shadow Dancer - scummy (from ani, he makes this slot more towny imo)
Oversoul
TOGTFO - null
malpascp - scummy
me=weird -null leaning scum
Tazaro - town (I see him as a very active noob)
Kublai Khan - null
Can everyone please stop using meta as reasoning for voting someone? Meta is horribly inaccurate and is the *most* likely thing to change. Oh, Player X lurked a lot in Game Y and he was a mafia goon, therefore because Player X is lurking in Game Z he is a goon! No.
Meta(game) is about the overall competitive gameplay of a certain sport, game, or what have you. Certain tactics will rise to the top of the metagame and as a result, people will adjust to this meta. People saw scum jumping onto wagons last. Scum evolved and instead started wagons. People realized the change in meta and thus started to lynch those who started wagons.
Meta is essentially WIFOM. Has this person learned from their mistakes in their past game as this role or have they instead, chosen to maintain their meta?
Use tells and reads from *this* game as it is the only one that matters. I can cherrypick games all I want where Bobby was a really active townie or where Bobby was a really lurky scum.
CK, your suspicions for Animorph, as you said, was based on meta reasons when you hydraed with him. There are multiple reasons why a person could be lurky. Given the fact that this game is online and therefore isn't the focal point of their attention, lurkiness is not the best indicator of scum. Far too many reasons such as computers dieing or a relative visiting (read: M=w) can influence the reason someone is lurking.
Also, you were about the only person to actually create a case with evidence for a vote on Peregrine. In my opinion, his flip determines your alignment. If he flips town, your case (that you publicly declared was a case...) becomes that much more scummy. If he is scum, you either just bussed a buddy or you are actually town, but more likely town.
Also, CK, given Batt's activity on this hydra in this game, should you play against him in another game and he acts the same way, what alignment would you automatically assume?
Taz is like Taz (the Tasmanian Devil from Looney Toons). His posts are *EVERYWHERE* and display a clear stream of conciousness throughout the thread. His actions seem spur of the moment and less planned or coordinated that a mafia member might make. If Taz does flip scum, I will be very surprised and give 100 Internet to those who called it. At this point Taz and Peregrine (as I have already said) were the main suspects followed by Animorph and then a little bit of M=W and my predecessor, CMAR.
I can see the suspicion of Taz for his randomness and overall activity, but I don't think that is a good path to try and follow.
Peregrine has acted scummy, but he has also acted pretty newby, similar to Taz. Then again, so do a lot of people. Anti town play, while bad for the town, does not always indicate scum motive. Someone has to die D1 and at this point, I am sorry, Peregrine, it is most likely going to be you.
A few posts that I have a problem with are...
So are they scum for "quieting" down?
Deflection, completely "misinterprets" CK's reasoning for quieting down. Peregrine, you are scum for quieting down when everyone else quieted down because in CK's mind you were using their posts/votes to bolster your own for a potential mislynch.
@Everyone- still learning the terminology. What is the "chainsaw defense?"
Completely random. Innocuous question or purposeful "slip"?
Well, I did point out his scummy posting. Like if someone comes in the office and their hair is messed up, you don't fire them. You point out their hair is messed up.
I pointed out his posting was, IMO, scummy. It was not scummy enough for me to leave my vote there.
^ horrible analogy.. possible Ani coaching.
Peregrine has been a hypocrite a few times I have noticed where he makes fun of the term "rubs the wrong way" and then goes later on to use the exact term in a rather serious setting (he followed it with points). Also, he stated that someone misinterpreted what he meant, yet gets mad when people call him out on misinterpreting what they say?
However, some posts of his I feel are genuine and towny such as
Just a friendly reminder. If you like a car because of the color, and I like a car because it has four doors, your reason for liking the car does not invalidate my reason for liking the car.
If I think Ani is scummy because his posts contain no effort or discernible content even after the stage where it should, and you think he's scummy for your meta reasons, that does not invalidate my reasons.
You don't think so? If I said every game I played in scum had 3 syllables in their name and voted someone for that reason, that would be a good argument? What if I posted links to 5 games in which it was true, would that be a good argument?
I will read opinion cases and even consider what is said, but don't expect me to take them seriously.
So he may have gone inactive or replace out, and you think I should vote him anyway?
I do have problems with Peregrine's posting and I won't be sad if he gets lynched, but I do feel that scum are pushing his lynch.
Animorphs (in)activity suggests that he wasn't really *in* this game.
His 17 posts were all 1 liners in which he was quoting something or barely adding anything to the game. One post in particular...
animorpherv1 wrote:Tazaro wrote:It's not scumtastic; it's a manifestation of his impatience. It is not really hard to see that. Seriously -_-
No, it implies that he would hammer someone because they haven't picked yet.
is a potential scumslip. Peregrine never said he would hammer someone because they were in front of him he only said he would vote them. Why Animorph immediately thought Peregrine would hammer and then defend himself with a defense like "they were infront of me" that early in the game is beyond me.
Shadow made the slot look better in my opinion, but his second post sounds like he is trying to formulate a defense for late game by implying that Pere has weird ass posting habits, but that is about all he can discern from Pere until he delves into an iso and then supports Pere's opinions on M=W.
I like this post though
This is just horrible. It's early in the game and we can be happy to track down one scum. Already starting to openly queue lynches just helps scum
However, his response to Pere is a deflection that should be noted
I don't know about any one else, but I am not that bent on discussing with you the validity of every petty little point that some one makes against you, after all scum can seldomly be "convinced" they are scum. If more people vote for you more people are buying the case (or some aspect thereof) on you. I would much prefer that you did something useful to convince us that you aren't scum.
Basically implying that he doesn't want to do the work of creating a case since others are already voting for his wagon (did the term scum buddies every come to your mind, Shadow?
) and instead Pere should create a case that proves his innocence.
Will post more later.
