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VP Baltar · Post Post #15 (isolation #0) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:54 am

I am town this game, therefore, we should give me the belt. I think I'm quite useful as an asset to town, and NK-immunity on me is going to drive fear into the heart of the scums. Of course, you have no proof of my towniness yet, but I'll simply say give me a week and you will see it. In the meantime, we should knock out people we obviously do not want to have NK-immunity.

Stun punch: chesskid

Judo chop: vezokpiraka

No offense to you two, but you're not people I want in endgame for the town.

VP Baltar · Post Post #16 (isolation #1) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:55 am

VP Baltar opens his mouth to talk more trash but is promptly silenced by a resounding superkick to the jaw!

VP Baltar · Post Post #19 (isolation #2) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:24 am

As I said before I double posted, it takes 10 moves to knock someone out and everyone gets two moves per day. I suggest we focus our moves on people we definitely do not want in endgame as town first, then work our way through the list.

Also, AV, I think that was really dumb. Knock out people that stink at endgame first.

VP Baltar · Post Post #26 (isolation #3) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:58 am

AV #21, but you disagree with the plan? Why wail on me for a posting error when there is a much more logical approach to handing out this belt?

VP Baltar · Post Post #29 (isolation #4) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:11 am

Not sure how i feel about vote trickery being allowed. Weren't votes allowed regardless of word count in Porkens' game? Oh well.

VP Baltar · Post Post #40 (isolation #5) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:58 am

@KK - an UNK vig would be good....but of course we're also taking the person at their word they are the vig and not a mafioso or an SK. The latter particularly bothers me. If we have an investigation ability such as cop, tracker or watcher I think that would be even better to protect with UNK.

@Nero - from my understanding, the title only changes hands if the person is eliminated from the game. If we choose correctly, this should not be an issue in the future.

@AV - I understand, but I still think your choice of hits was poor and impulsive. Keeping my eye on you.

VP Baltar · Post Post #42 (isolation #6) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:12 am

Why shouldn't I ask for it? I know I'm town and I know I'm an okay player that can be helpful. I trust myself more than anyone else at this ponit, so I see no reason for me to be modest about it. I understand you will have your doubts and that's cool, but I see no reason for me to NOT want the belt if I think I can help the town win the game.

VP Baltar · Post Post #46 (isolation #7) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:08 am

Only DDD has to prove they are real moves

I think Vezo is at L-2 atm. Someone finish him off and then get to work on chesskid.

VP Baltar · Post Post #76 (isolation #8) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:55 am

Chess doesn't like me organizing the town logically, noted. Everyone agreeing with my plan and not beating on Chess until he's eliminated bothers me a touch. DDD is absolutely correct that we need to knock people out completely to limit how much damage they can do. Double up your moves until someone is knocked out and then we will move on to the next target. While we are waiting for our moves to recharge, we can start making lists of people we want knocked out so we can quickly work our way through them.

VP Baltar · Post Post #80 (isolation #9) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:13 am

I just simply don't want erratic people to be who we are banking on in lylo. There are also some people on my list that I simply don't know, so it's not that I think you're bad or anything, but I simply don't have enough information on you to make a judgement call on you and therefore you're expendable at this point. So people I would want to eliminate now are:

4. Nero Cain
6. Lowell
8. jasonT1981
9. Scott Brosius
10. VasudeVa
13. Internet Stranger
15. Baby Spice
18. chesskid3
20. Hoppster
21. SnakePlissken
22. Furcolow
23. AurorusVox (impulsive double hit cost you otherwise I would have left you in)
24. Gobots
25. jediknight
26. bristep123

VP Baltar · Post Post #83 (isolation #10) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:19 am

This is why everyone should make lists so we can discuss and have a clear plan of attack. If not we can simply work straight down my list since it was taken directly from the OP. Either is fine with me.

VP Baltar · Post Post #87 (isolation #11) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:23 am

I think we still have to wait the full 24 hrs, which is a pain. I'm good with working down my list...it is probably fastest that way. If anyone on my list feels they have been placed there incorrectly and deserves to stay in the game for the belt, feel free to make the case for your survival.

@Jason - what do you mean? You think sotty and gman should be eliminated?

VP Baltar · Post Post #91 (isolation #12) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:34 am

Ah, well my plan right now is to eliminate everyone that we're not really certain we want in lylo. That will leave a small collection of players who can then negotiate who should take the belt. Sotty and Gman made it into my clear list for the time being. Once it gets down to 5-10 players or so, then all but one person needs to be eliminated. I'm not too worried about who that person is at the moment since I don't have that many reads yet.

@KK - we still have time to discuss if we want to give it to a PR or not. I'm not saying that isn't also a viable strategy, but we need to organize ourselves toward whatever we decide to do today. What I am worried about with your plan is multiple PRs claiming or scum simply fake claiming. It's high risk-high reward.

VP Baltar · Post Post #94 (isolation #13) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:40 am

You want to be added....that's kind of odd. Also appealing for someone else seems weird. Why do you want AV to stay in the game?

VP Baltar · Post Post #97 (isolation #14) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:45 am

alright, I get what you're saying...so you want vig to out or nothing at all.

VP Baltar · Post Post #101 (isolation #15) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:57 am

well, I don't think it's moot really. Nobody is saying my list is the best plan and the odds are less than likely that vezo was the vig simply based on random distribution.

VP Baltar · Post Post #105 (isolation #16) » Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:23 am

@KK - how does the SK hurt himself if he's NK-immune? Also, I think that the RB point DDD brings up is much more important. Vigs are pretty useful for town, even if the town isn't directing them.

VP Baltar · Post Post #131 (isolation #17) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:50 am

@Thor
I'm not saying AV is not a good player. I do think he acted impulsively and hit me over something dumb early on...which he just did again and is now trying to justify it as me being Dr. Evil or something. I forgave the first as a dumb move, but now I'm starting to think there is scum motivation going on here to knock me out. Scummy Scums don't like people planning and organizing the town, and when I am town it is inevitable that a shitty D1 wagon forms on me because I usually take a big mouth early and scum don't like it. Unfortunately, the damage from an early wagon on me can't be undone and I'll probably be ejected soon.

tl;dr - I don't think you're reasoning is sufficient to make up for his bad play in this game and he should probably still be eliminated, but we can also add your name to the list if you want.

@AV - what don't you like about me? Also, Thor has cognitive dissonance, that's what people don't like.

Table Smash: Nero
Eye Gouge: Nero

VP Baltar · Post Post #133 (isolation #18) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:34 am

Also, my only semi-town read right now is DDD....so if I had to pick someone at this very moment that I would give the belt to, it would be him. This may change before I die, and I will let you know my final thoughts if AV decides to continue on this path of trying to eliminate me.

VP Baltar · Post Post #137 (isolation #19) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:15 am

I find AV to be much more argumentative in this game and less happy go lucky than when I have seen him town in [redacted]. I'm going to have to meta you now.

As far as the argument that 'this isn't how a royal rumble works!'...meh, I don't care. Organized eliminations are much more effective than allowing a free for all that the scum have an inherit advantage to manipulate. I think we've already had plenty of things happen that can be used to scum hunt, regardless of people being allowed to 'sheep'.

VP Baltar · Post Post #140 (isolation #20) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:06 am

You're right, perhaps I'm overstating things, but it's early game. It is a fair assessment to say you were being happy go lucky with your first hits. I do think you're being a touch more aggressive than I would expect however after I questioned your motives. *shrug*

Yes, the meta was in reference to you...I can look at games myself from your wiki though.

VP Baltar · Post Post #142 (isolation #21) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:22 am

I'm on the fence with KK really. I can see him being town, but he's kinda tricksy too. Need more data before analysis can be completed there. (ie, get in here and post more KK)

VP Baltar · Post Post #145 (isolation #22) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:46 am

It's already been explained. You agreed with the plan I put forth and then voted elsewhere....which you're still doing apparently. I personally feel that fully knocking people out in order is a much more effective way of elimination than just randomly hitting on the list.

VP Baltar · Post Post #147 (isolation #23) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:05 am

elsewhere as in, the town as a whole was working on eliminating specific players and you voted for other players.

Do you think that a person voting as they please from the list is more effective than everyone piling on specific players in order? Both in terms of reducing the eliminated players' damage and in allowing the final players more time to decide who should be champion?

VP Baltar · Post Post #149 (isolation #24) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:17 am

I don't think your way inherently generates more info. I think it generates more chaos and vendetta strikes...which is evidenced by people like IS or even yourself with the hit you just put on Jason.

I'm sure there are mafia on the approved list, but that can't really be avoided. I'm sure there are also mafia on the elimination list. It will be the job of the final people to develop reads and give it to whoever is best for the job. Getting down to that final group faster gives them more time to mull the situation over and look at the data. In the meantime, being fast and furious to get to that point is the optimal play, imo.

VP Baltar · Post Post #152 (isolation #25) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:28 am

Baby Spice should not have the belt. I find that a ludicrous suggestion.

@IS - I don't care if you're annoyed or if you eliminate me. My job here is already done and the plan will come to fruition, thus optimizing town's chances of winning. haters gonna hate and etc.

VP Baltar · Post Post #155 (isolation #26) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:00 am

I play to win, what can I say. That's more of a top priority to me than having 'lolz royal rumble flavorness'. Also, that was a pitiful attempt at to paint with a scumbrush there. I had higher hopes for you as a player IS given that you're OG. Needless to say, I'm not impressed.

VP Baltar · Post Post #157 (isolation #27) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:19 am

I don't understand your confusion. Also, I've already stated who I think should get the belt based on town reads. Your suggestion that we should give the belt to someone to prevent a mislynch is weak. If you think the person is town, then simply don't lynch them. No need to waste a super valuable power like UNK to aid in that.

in unrelated news, where is furcolow?

VP Baltar · Post Post #160 (isolation #28) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:25 am

I haven't seen any towntells at all from BS...you're going to have to explain that one to me. With DDD, I see a player that is actively thinking and trying to improve the town's situation. What has BS done that has been useful other than agree with you about the need to eliminate moi?

VP Baltar · Post Post #166 (isolation #29) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:46 am

@thor - this is Zach's game that I was backup mod for, right? Well, I guess that doesn't matter because I still don't even see how BS saying you played well in a scum game makes her town or why you think a scum player wouldn't do that.

Re: KK, I already gave my opinion in response to DDD.

IS makes no sense. Even though people aren't being lynched, you still have a voting mechanic and plenty of motivated actions to look at. Obviously the optimum outcome for the scum is to try to get the belt on their team, so scum hunting is still applicable.

VP Baltar · Post Post #171 (isolation #30) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:05 am

G-Man gets it.

@thor - I'm not sure if I buy talking about a scum game is going to automatically put you into a frame of mind where you think about that person's scum play. Do you and Baby Spice have any other completed games together where you were both town and she could have mentioned you as playing extremely well?

@IS - the title is not useless to scum as it would protect them from the vig and/or a potential SK if either exist. Seems pretty useful to me for either team.

VP Baltar · Post Post #173 (isolation #31) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:13 am

And yet you're saying I'm scum because I'm drawing attention to myself and have blatantly said I would take then belt.

VP Baltar · Post Post #180 (isolation #32) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:19 am

@Thor - I didn't really look to see if you said it, but I take your word that you didn't because that's a dumb thing to lie about. Several people had said they wanted me dead and I probably mistakenly clumped you in that group because you were fighting down my proposal. In terms of taking BS off the list...it's not really up to me. Like I said, my list is just my suggestion. It's ultimately up to the town to let her through to the next round or not. I don't see that there is any harm in letting her go through if you're that set on it.

@Kise - lol, I don't know if I'm playing differently or not. I just play by my mood at the time. But yeah, it's been too long since I've been in a game with you so that could be it too.

VP Baltar · Post Post #188 (isolation #33) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:33 am

You consider this still to be RVS, vezo?

VP Baltar · Post Post #196 (isolation #34) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:53 am

Why KK, Kise? His plan was proven to be pretty flawed if that's what you're basing it on.

VP Baltar · Post Post #198 (isolation #35) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:04 am

So you think he should get it simply based on ability?

VP Baltar · Post Post #214 (isolation #36) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:56 am

Hoopster is coasting scum.

VP Baltar · Post Post #221 (isolation #37) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:09 am

@Hoppster - isn't what you're doing lurking? I think anyone that says 'I have no opinion on anything happening here' is more likely to be scum. Hell, even though I disagree with what IS was saying before, at least he was taking a stance. Scum have much more motivation to stand on the sidelines and see how things shake out instead of taking stances and drawing attention to themselves. I don't think your 'randomly attacking people' is drawing attention to you at all. You've been a non-entity until Baby Spice just called you out.

VP Baltar · Post Post #225 (isolation #38) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:02 am

Eliminate Scott Brosius now please. Hitting two players that have been pro-town so far is grounds for dismissal.

@Hoppster - We'll see. Proving you're town with your actions will help me feel better about you, as will taking more of an active role in the discussion.

VP Baltar · Post Post #231 (isolation #39) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:04 am

@AV - Yet another jabroni who's not saying much beyond his votes. He's at least hitting the right people, but definitely don't want him going to the next round.

I think it should be noted that's the second time jediknight has wasted moves by hitting someone who is already out. He did it to me earlier after I had been eliminated. Not sure if he's not paying attention or doing it intentionally to slow down progress.

I will probably try to get an updated list up at some point this weekend so we know who is still in this and who is not.

VP Baltar · Post Post #251 (isolation #40) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:21 pm

People who have failed to deliver moves due to lurking/non-presence:

Bella
DDD (still can get in here today!)
G-Man
Gobots (still can get in here today even though he posted already!)
jediknight (lol, I hit dead people)
Kise (D1 wtf?)
Lowell
sottyrulez (still can get in here today!)
Thor665 (still can get in here today even though he posted already!)
Trendall (you fail at this)
VasudeVa (still can get in here today)

If your name is on this list, you could be doing more to help the town.

Mod, please prod and/or replace Furcolow since he hasn't even posted in the game yet.

VP Baltar · Post Post #254 (isolation #41) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:37 pm

I just added it up. That's how I got my list. You have not hit 'more than most'. Also, you seem antsy about me giving me input from 'outside the ring'...what does it matter if I'm in or out of the ring? Do you think I'm scummy? Should my opinions count less if I'm no longer in contention for the belt? If yes, why?

@kk - no, I was knocked out of the ring by bristep or gobots...something like that. Don't ask me why other than I was at L-1, therefore I had to be knocked out. shrugalug.

VP Baltar · Post Post #258 (isolation #42) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:22 pm

@kk - I disagree. I think actively campaigning is something many people (myself included) would NOT do as scum precisely because the knee jerk reaction is to say no then. WIFOM for us all

@Kise - Dat's cool. You probably explained it and I'm too lazy to look. I don't have a post restriction...why do you ask?

@ BS -

so be it!

VP Baltar · Post Post #261 (isolation #43) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:11 pm

Wasn't me as far as I know unless I said something in passing. I don't really have a read on him yet.

VP Baltar · Post Post #265 (isolation #44) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:06 pm

It was semi-hyperbolic Thor. I was more pissed about the DDD hit than anything. I really don't have much of a read on Err, but he hasn't done anything to me that has stuck out as overly scummy.

VP Baltar · Post Post #285 (isolation #45) » Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:41 am

I guess you can let me know when you place your finger on it. I do think it's going on a year since we played though...so who knows.

VP Baltar · Post Post #306 (isolation #46) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:21 am

@DDD - Yes, the hearts are a new addition. I'm the Valentine's Kadabra. I use my spoon for eating an entire pint of chocolate ice cream when I get dumped in March.

VP Baltar · Post Post #325 (isolation #47) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:11 pm

I'd like gobots out as well.

VP Baltar · Post Post #330 (isolation #48) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:54 pm

Scott needed to go because he was striking people not on the list. Gobots seems very interested in creeping up to get the belt. Also, I don't know either and I don't know if they are skilled enough to wield the power of the belt.

As far as keeping people at medium endurance levels...I don't see the point. Focused eliminations are much quicker and will get us down to the real discussion faster.

VP Baltar · Post Post #335 (isolation #49) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:09 pm

That makes sense. You are indeed correct Primate and DDD probably has a very workable plan to make it more feasible. That is of course if we don't have VIs come in and just start knocking people out...which hopefully we do not.

VP Baltar · Post Post #338 (isolation #50) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:57 pm

How about we put people likely to knock others out willy nilly (Gobots et al) at 1 HP, while the people who are more likely to stick with the plan get stuck at like 3 HP for good measure?

VP Baltar · Post Post #352 (isolation #51) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:55 am

Yeah, DDD, my wiki is terribly out of date and I keep putting it off cause of my laziness. If you want meta from my recent games, I can link you since I still have them all saved in my bookmarks (under the premise that I will eventually update my wiki)

VP Baltar · Post Post #362 (isolation #52) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:18 am

Furc, you can't double post in this game...fyi. You're going to have to change your posting style here to include all relevant information in single posts.

VP Baltar · Post Post #368 (isolation #53) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:06 am

@ Sottyrulez - do you two have any scum reads yet?

VP Baltar · Post Post #405 (isolation #54) » Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:58 am

I was actually fine with Baby Spice knocking out Gobots and Vas...I didn't think they should be in the end anyhow....though self-elimination is pretty dumb and shows that she shouldn't have been in the final either.

Support: DDD

VP Baltar · Post Post #407 (isolation #55) » Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:43 am

because your votes could still have been useful at this point...though in retrospect, now that LL has included the assign mechanic it's less of a big deal. I just always think that self-voting is pretty lame duck, but oh well.

And, ftr, I actually conceded to Thor and said I was fine with you still being in the running. Since that time, I had actually been getting more of a protown vibe from you. Doesn't matter now.

VP Baltar · Post Post #413 (isolation #56) » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:56 am

^ why exactly for both of you please?

VP Baltar · Post Post #418 (isolation #57) » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:48 am

Also, just because people have a ton of votes right now does not mean they should just start willy-nilly eliminating people. I think the people outside should still have an advisory role as to who is the champion.

VP Baltar · Post Post #433 (isolation #58) » Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:42 am

chesskid is always on the list and good policy lynch choice.

VP Baltar · Post Post #439 (isolation #59) » Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:54 am

I wouldn't say any of the people have that rep as far as I know Primate. I do think I can read DDD very well though and he's town here as far as I can tell...if that helps at all.

VP Baltar · Post Post #452 (isolation #60) » Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:25 pm

Jason, why do you support sottyrulez when they are claiming a scum read on you.

If you're town, aren't they one player who should readily recognize your alignment?

VP Baltar · Post Post #478 (isolation #61) » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:17 am

@Furc and Chess-- what exactly is your problem with DDD? Seems like he's doing exactly the right thing he's supposed to be doing.

VP Baltar · Post Post #480 (isolation #62) » Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:48 am

I also don't like Kise's misinterpretation of what Thor said...reading way too much into that, and enough so that I don't want him to be the champ either.

VP Baltar · Post Post #483 (isolation #63) » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:49 am

what have they done that you find protown, Jason?

VP Baltar · Post Post #486 (isolation #64) » Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:17 am

Well you know, I've also played with both of them quite often and I don't get the same obv-town read you're getting. That's why I'm curious, Jason. I'd like you to put your finger on it more directly if you could please.

VP Baltar · Post Post #491 (isolation #65) » Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:41 am

Happy B-day Furc! I think you should base things on reads rather than past experiences though.

VP Baltar · Post Post #499 (isolation #66) » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:05 am

Translation from chesskid: DDD won't be lynched, therefore please do not make him mafia kill immune or he's going to fuck with my plans allllllll day.

VP Baltar · Post Post #501 (isolation #67) » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:14 am

lol, chesskid is so scum. Pull up your angry pants son, you're getting lynched D1.

VP Baltar · Post Post #505 (isolation #68) » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:35 am

shouldn't get the belt because he wants it is a terrible argument, as I already pointed out earlier in thread. Additionally, DDD is town and SHOULD get the belt because he's town.

Your scum buddies can't save you during the day chess. No worries though, you played a great game.

VP Baltar · Post Post #507 (isolation #69) » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:45 am

I really need to stop egging on 12 yr olds. It never does me any good.

VP Baltar · Post Post #542 (isolation #70) » Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:44 am

Vote: Jason

Still waiting for your reply.

VP Baltar · Post Post #545 (isolation #71) » Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:42 am

Sorry about that, been awhile since I hurt someone.

Ring his bell with the ring bell: Jason

VP Baltar · Post Post #550 (isolation #72) » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:57 am

@ Primate - what about jason?

VP Baltar · Post Post #555 (isolation #73) » Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:39 am

Pretty happy with my Jason vote. I think more people should join in on this wagon.

I'll give you one more chance to actually explain the meta town read J.

VP Baltar · Post Post #589 (isolation #74) » Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:36 pm

Tsunami Suplex: Nero Cain

Despite what I said earlier, chesskid is probably town. He just really sucks at mafia. It's not his fault though. He goes to Princeton yo.

VP Baltar · Post Post #604 (isolation #75) » Sat Feb 26, 2011 2:46 am

Still waiting on your reply Jason.

I'd also like your opinion on Nero Cain while you're at it.

@DDD - I think you should take a more active role in leading the town since you're invincible and what not. It'd be helpful if you were here quite often to bully people and get results.

VP Baltar · Post Post #607 (isolation #76) » Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:14 am

Why is Furc doing nothing this game?

VP Baltar · Post Post #638 (isolation #77) » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:55 am

yo Bella, you playing this game?

Also, we need a hell of a lot more wagoning and a hell of a lot less random wagons. This is a large game people, less chat...more splat.

VP Baltar · Post Post #640 (isolation #78) » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:17 am

I would need to go back and reread to make an actual case. I think he's coasting scum though.

I shall relent though because I didn't like AV in the royal rumble anyhow.

Pumphandle slam: AV

VP Baltar · Post Post #642 (isolation #79) » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:57 am

I was talking about Nero...but glad to see you're so guilty that EVERYTHING'S ABOUT YOU

VP Baltar · Post Post #646 (isolation #80) » Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:20 am

Well, I thought it was obvious because Thor asked what the Nero case was and I said I would have to go back to make an actual case. I'm not saying it's damning or anything, but worth noting and keeping my vote on you from.

VP Baltar · Post Post #693 (isolation #81) » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:12 am

Mod, I should be voting for AurorusVox

As should everyone else at this point.

VP Baltar · Post Post #694 (isolation #82) » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:13 am

VP Baltar is halfway through making a slur on The Locke's name when he is promptly snap suplexed onto the hard arena floor!

VP Baltar · Post Post #699 (isolation #83) » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:43 am

I don't really have much of a read on hoppster at the moment KK. I haven't been paying very close attention to your arguments with him because I have been looking more at the AV, Nero, Jason, Sottyrulez grouping of people. I will try to review your case at some point today and give some actual comments.

VP Baltar · Post Post #719 (isolation #84) » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:26 am

VP Baltar · Post Post #723 (isolation #85) » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:46 am

@Hoppster - I called you that early in the RVS I believe. It was more just to get your blood boiling and involved in the game so I could get a read. I honestly don't have much of a read of you, but I'm sure I will after I go back and look very closely at your play later.

VP Baltar · Post Post #759 (isolation #86) » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:33 am

That's not a scumtell...additionally, you cannot use quotes in this game and please read the rules again before you end up getting modkilled.

VP Baltar · Post Post #764 (isolation #87) » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:26 am

Why should we be policy lynching when several people have made cases about players they find scummy?

Also, I got absolutely nothing out of your post there jediknight. You spent more time talking about why you find people annoying than anything else.

VP Baltar · Post Post #775 (isolation #88) » Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:49 am

Fireman's Carry: Trendall

*flexes*

VP Baltar · Post Post #808 (isolation #89) » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:08 am

Trendall votes are not opportunistic. I really like bristep's last post on him and my original reason for voting was the fact that his 774 is all about proclaiming he is town and trying to appease those on his wagon rather than scum hunting. I am actually set on a Trendall lynch at this point. I'm sure there are some power player scums out there today that we might be able to lynch today if we really pressured them (still not so sure about AV being town here), but I'll take a noob-scum on day 1.

VP Baltar · Post Post #810 (isolation #90) » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:34 am

Chess is town. I clearly demonstrated that earlier. Time to move on and lynch Trendall, who is scum.

VP Baltar · Post Post #812 (isolation #91) » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:01 am

I am like 90% certain chesskid is town based upon his reaction to me calling him scum. You can read it yourself. Even if you tend to disagree with me, I'd add the point that most people do not seem interested in his lynch today, so perhaps it's time you switch to a different suspect. This is a large game, and we need to keep moving toward actual lynches instead of obsessing over one and two vote wagons.

VP Baltar · Post Post #815 (isolation #92) » Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:16 am

Scientific research reveals that Large Theme games are equivalent to the swirly, sticky strips you hang in your garage to catch flies in the summer.

Flies being VIs in this metaphor.

VP Baltar · Post Post #821 (isolation #93) » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:06 am

Grr, that's a tough question DDD. I have too much personal meta of them messing with my read. If I was going on gameplay alone, it's an easy scum read. If I consider meta factors things get murkier with them. But to directly answer your question, I'd still pick scum. I've been bothered by them for a bit because their scum hunting seems very uninvolved and ineffectual so far.

I'd like your opinion on them as well actually.

VP Baltar · Post Post #828 (isolation #94) » Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:51 am

@DDD - I think the problem is that there are a combination of RL factors that are affecting their play right now....so it's hard to separate the chaff from the wheat in this case.

@SR - I think there are better trees to be barking up than Thor at the moment. I think it's good that you are trying to scumhunt here, but I feel like the discussion between you two is reaching diminishing returns at this point. I don't have a strong read on him either way, but I'm sure that will change with time.

VP Baltar · Post Post #855 (isolation #95) » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:58 am

That is not the main reason people think trendall is scum. If you're going to cut down the wagon at least attack the main reason people are voting him, which is that he's more concerned with appeasing his attackers than he is with scumhunting.

Also, '5 people voted' and similar reasons are dumb in a large game where it takes 14 players to lynch. This is why D1 in large games are always stupid. Let's try to keep this under 50 pages for whoever ends up replacing Bella.

VP Baltar · Post Post #857 (isolation #96) » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:02 am

Then you should vote him and prove me wrong.

VP Baltar · Post Post #861 (isolation #97) » Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:52 am

^truth hurts

@Bella - I was just kidding mostly. I will try my best to get people organized here. In the meantime, do you have any reads of note while you are catching up?

VP Baltar · Post Post #863 (isolation #98) » Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:57 am

you can vote as you like. Uncle Sam is getting all my quarters this year.

VP Baltar · Post Post #871 (isolation #99) » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:07 am

Wasn't aware I was claiming to "know" you're scum trendall. Also, your point that you'd posted so little at that point that you couldn't possibly be readable is ridiculous. I explained very explicitly why I think you're scum. I don't need a million posts to get a read on fail-scum.

VP Baltar · Post Post #874 (isolation #100) » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:38 am

There's a difference between knowing someone is scum and being assertive about a scum read. Care to respond to my other, more pertinent point?

VP Baltar · Post Post #877 (isolation #101) » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:57 am

@ nero - read my iso. I don't have time to be repeating myself for lazy people. the trendall case has nothing to do with lurking, at least when it comes to me.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:00 am

@nero - I don't think bella is scum. I don't think bella is town. She hasn't really been around for me to develop a read. You were drawing a direct comparison between her and trendall, which is what my issue was. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:10 am

I think IS is annoying, but not likely scum. I think he plays a very old-school mafia game that doesn't really come across as scum hunting with the current site meta. shrug.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:18 am

You should probably take a breath there Thor. I don't think hypocrisy or being a general twat in thread are scumtells.

VP Baltar · Post Post #912 (isolation #105) » Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:45 am

And here I thought I'd have to read up.

Vas - doubt the Gman lynch is happening today homey. Let's all put our votes on wagons that have a chance of happening. Bigger wagons = better on D1

VP Baltar · Post Post #914 (isolation #106) » Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:49 am

Psalm of Cyberbob 1:1

"before posting look at your username

if it is the username of a bad poster don't post"

VP Baltar · Post Post #926 (isolation #107) » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:26 am

here's a new idea. chesskid stops posting for the rest of the day. You're clogging the thread with useless shit. Don't they assign hw and Princetown that you should be working on?

In actual gameplay news...I'm glad DDD agrees with me. People who actually have a chance of being lynched are:

Trendall - 9 (Primate, Kublai Khan, Gobots, VP Baltar, Furcolow, Thor665, Debonair Danny DiPietro, jediknight, Hoppster)
Scott Brosius - 5 (Erratus Apathos, SnakePlissken, bristep123, Lowell, VasudeVa)
Thor665 - 3 (sottyrulez, GMan, jasonT1981)

This means that if you are not voting one of them, you should be. Even Thor is kind of a small wagon. If anyone wants another wagon considered, I think it needs to get above five votes to really be legitimate.

VP Baltar · Post Post #933 (isolation #108) » Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:22 am

Check out my post 808 and Bristep's post 799 for what I think are the most relevant points against Trendall. Still waiting for actual scumhunting from him despite his many promises, but I guess that can be said about a lot of people.

VP Baltar · Post Post #936 (isolation #109) » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:46 am

@IS - probably because I copy and pasted from the previous vote count. OMFG CONSPIRACY AGAINST YOU

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:49 am

Under a week until deadline in a fucking large game is not a lot of time. Get your shit together people. Even trendall isn't close enough to being lynched yet. We still need to get claims and all that.

VP Baltar · Post Post #945 (isolation #111) » Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:30 pm

Yeah...as annoying as chesskid is, I still think it's likely he's town. It's unfortunate because I'd love to lynch his scummy ass, but I'm quite sure he's town. I probably should reanalyze him at some point to make sure, but I'm definitely not down for lynching him today.

VP Baltar · Post Post #961 (isolation #112) » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:59 am

Let's put Trendall to L-1 now. Everyone should quit being ninnies. Time for a good ol' fashioned smackdown...wait, that's next week.

VP Baltar · Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:56 am

More Trendall lynching. Also, Trendall, if you're around I suggest you stop lurking. If you do happen to be town, now would be a great time to be putting some effort forth.

I'm fine with bristep for the moment. He seems relatively sincere, so I don't get the hate so much in that direction.

jediknight is much less so. I think Hoopster hits the nail on the head when he says it seems like he's getting squirmy about his wording. That's a huge scumtell. I also don't like how he is saying everything so far is about meta. wtf? No, it's not.

Gobots is hugely scummy for still trying to push a pointless Bella wagon an hour after she says she's going to need replacement.

I'm liking the effort Gman is making to get caught up and I'd love to here Vas' opinion on that (or anything, where you at bro?).

VP Baltar · Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:59 am

No need to worry Furc. I am the town.

I like these pathetic counter wagons. They are showing who is scum and who is not pretty quickly. All we need are a few flips for confirmation. Let's start with Trendall.

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:16 am

Vas, can you tell me why you think there isn't much to the Trendall case. I'd like you to specifically talk about the points I noted as the crux of it, if you will.

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:28 am

Vote: jediknight

I agree with jason that an investigative role should not come out today. That's just wtf, Kise.

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:38 am

Kise, what makes you so sure Thor was the vig kill and you were the mafia kill? How do you know it wasn't the other way around? I'm confused.

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:49 am

I'd like you to answer my question Kise.

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:15 am

Oh right, damn flavor.

Flying elbow: jediknight

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:04 am

I don't know the flavor...who is shawn daivari?

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:10 am

I agree with IS that vezo has nothing to gain by claiming a name cop on DDD if he's scum. Therefore, I would like someone to explain to me the likelihood of Shawn Daivari being scum. If it's 100% likely (other than flavor fuckery), then DDD may have to be the lynch today and I will proceed hating him.

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:43 am

I know bischoff was NWO or whatever...but didn't he have a spurt where he was a good guy?

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:56 am

um...ok.

Why would vezo get that result from you DDD?

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:29 am

I'm not for a speed lynch of DDD. The fact that DDD stood his ground about not being daivari before vezo revealed this hometown business looks much more town to me. Scum would have assumed name cop if they actually were Daivari.

I was considering this yesterday, but then it must have slipped my mind. Since DDD is UNK now, it may be wise for him to full claim. The only reason I see not to do it is on the chance of trying to catch scum fakeclaiming...though there could be fake claims in the game that make that irrelevant. What are your thoughts on just coming out DDD? You'd have the best perspective of if its worthwhile to the town or not.

p. edit - stop fucking voting DDD you dumbasses. It's not a clean investigation.

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:38 am

I said nothing about DDD stalling. Actually sottyrulez...I would appreciated if you unvoted DDD. I'm not going to allow a clusterfuck quick lynch happen while this is being sorted out.

It is obvious that vezo has imperfect information and was making bad assumptions.

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:41 am

it's obvious because vezo directly said he looked up the hometown and that was the only wrestler he saw from there. He is clearly claiming hometown cop. Nothing else makes sense.

I'll wait while you reread and catch up.

p. edit - ah no, chesskid. don't be hating cause you're too fucking slow to keep up with the conversation.

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:54 am

Yeah, I'm just going to stop posting until everyone reads KK's post, does their research and finally reaches the only logical conclusion here.

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:00 am

I'm not really sold on vezo being a liar. Seems like a really stupid gambit as scum. Additionally, if he was scum I imagine he would have run such a plan by his buddies the previous night, and I can't imagine any kind of groupthink would find lying about a wrestler's name to be a great plan of action.

Judo chop: Snake

I am much more interested in either Snake or Kise at the moment. Really hate that Kise just up and left like that.

@KK - I basically left the full claim discretion up to DDD. I understand that those things could be in play, but like I said...only he would know if his claiming would be useful or not. Clearly he doesn't, therefore it's a dead issue as far as I'm concerned.

p.edit - not liking you at all right now Sottyrulez. you're pushing crap. get off it.

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:26 am

Yeah, I think you're missing the point of what I said SR. I said DDD should claim if he felt it was appropriate. Drop the crap issue and move your vote.

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:26 am

lol, sure thing. Why am I scum?

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:33 am

Hey KK, you ever feel like if there was a god in the universe, he'd make you unlimited day vig?

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:50 am

Lowell...did you read all eight pages? Also, who else do you think is scum? Who are you certain is town?

I think that's plenty of snake votes until we see a votecount.

VP Baltar · Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:48 am

Haven't had much time to read cause it's my berfday.

Eye gouge: Internet Stranger

VP Baltar · Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:47 am

@Bristep - Can you explain what you mean in this post. Why do you think Kise was targeted by the scum?

Also, I agree with KK. I really don't understand what was so hard for so many people to read about the vezo-DDD situation. I really think there was scum in that group who were skimming along looking for something easy to push.

Thanks for the B-day wishes everyone! Soon the drunkness begins.

VP Baltar · Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:52 am

Spine Buster: Kise

You're spouting some major fluff that is illogical AAAAAAAAAAAAAND you've yet to answer my simple questions.

p.edit - lol, wut? This is the first game I've every played with IS as far as I recall. Also, why am I a member of the anti-WWF faction? I'm quite confused at everything you've done this day Kise.

VP Baltar · Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:14 pm

@ Kise - Answer this post or point me to your post that does answer it please.

In terms of why you're being illogical...just reread the entire vezo/DDD interaction in context, then read everything you've said about DDD. It's nonsense imo. For instance, your post #1342 begins with "Assuming DDD is scum..." which after how today started seems to be a genuinely ridiculous assumption to make and leads to an entirely useless post.

Who are your top suspects right now?

@Sottyrulez - what are your opinions on Kise? DDD? Nero Cain? Gman? Vas?

p. edit - I can actually see where Nero is coming from with his Brosius-Thor point. Anyone lax for scum reads in this game rides high on my scumdar because every page is filled with scummy crap.

I'd like to take a look back at the peak of the Thor wagon now that he's dead. Note to self.

VP Baltar · Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:27 pm

you feel like wailing on Kise here Primate?

VP Baltar · Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:10 pm

Kise, Jason was a bomb, which isn't really a vig proper. Especially in a very large game, it's not uncommon for there to be multiple killing roles for the town. Otherwise these games take forever and a day. I do agree that based on flavor Thor was killed by Snake. What I don't agree on is that it is likely there are only two killing factions in this game, mafia and SK. Seems limited for such a large game. I also don't see why a doc would target you last night, because based on your D1 play you would have been about the last person I'd expect the mafia to target. Can you tell me why you think the scum wanted to take you out?

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:58 am

@Kise - Don't quote chesskid for anything. You're better than that.

@Primate - where is your Kise-town read coming from?

@ Vas - I was and still am interested in getting you in this game. You're lurky when you're scum so I like to see you active. You're not really being that here and it bothers me to some extent. Of course, the flip side of the coin is that sometimes as town you get blinders and tunnelvision like mad, which you're also doing here. Honestly, I haven't given your Gman case that close of a look simply because I haven't found it that interesting. Your original post of OMGUS-gate certainly didn't sway me, so maybe that's part of it too and I need to go back over it with a fine tooth comb. As far as weakly defending Gman, that is quite an overstatement. Encouraging him to post so I can get a better read is a more accurate term. Tell you what, I will give your Gman case a more indepth look and give you my extensive opinions on it if you do the same for what I've been saying about Kise, cause he's most certainly not 100% town. He's not even making sense half the time, so give it an actual look. Deal?

@Hoppster - wtf are you talking about bristep-Snake connection? Snake was an SK...they tend to be self-aligned.

Hulk Smash: Erratus Apathos

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:02 am

If it is a team a serial killers, then they would be called a mafia. If they all have kills and work as a team, then we'd have seen multiple kills. That's at least how I see it. I find Kise's setup speculation weak at best. However, if that were the case, then we should be hunting for connections to Snake...yeah?

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:37 am

So because I voted Internet stranger and Erratus you think that's scummy Sottyrulez? Especially after you call IS scummy?

Also, explain to me how 'The gman case has legs' but Vas' tunnel puts you off of it. It's either a good or bad case, right? What does Vas' other scumhunting have to do with it?

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:40 am

Sottyrulez - I'd like your bullet case on "probscum DDD" please. All I've seen is you basically complaining that he won't nameclaim. If you don't see any townie motivation for that, then I think you're not looking hard enough (intentionally or not).

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:10 am

The only people I have voted today are Snake, Kise, IS and Erratus. I don't think Kise counts as a "hot wagon." Presumably you don't have a problem with me voting for Snake or IS. All that leaves is Erratus and your point of me wagon hopping popular wagons looks pretty damn flimsy, wouldn't you say? I voted Erratus because Kise-wagon was going nowhere for now and I find Erratus' presence in this game utterly lack, thus making him a good place to apply pressure. I really would like you to explain how I am wagon hopping because I don't think the hyperbole you're using holds up.

Re: DDD - I did look at your ISO, which is why I was asking you to actually explain. The things you are pushing him about (not nameclaiming, not spazzing out at vezo being incorrect) seem like they have very clear town motivations behind them. I don't see how you are calling probscum on gut. Is there something I'm missing here?

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:05 am

oh, right jediknight too...also not opportunistic. Since when do I make huge cases on people early on in large games? Again, I stand by my point that EA is the only person on your list that fits your argument, and I just explained that in detail because you asked so nicely. My votes always have reasons, but I only need to state those when I feel it is appropriate. This isn't really abnormal play for me.

The reason I find your DDD vote suspect is because DDD is so obv. town from his reaction to the vezo investigation it hurts my eyes like the sun. Sottyrulez is not a dumb hydra, and yet they make dumb votes ITT. This is my source of obsession with your vote.

I will break it down again, if DDD had been scum and vezo claimed to know he was Shawn Diavari, then DDD scum would have been panicking. DDD-town on the other hand just says, no I'm not you're wrong. Your argument is that if DDD was town he'd immediately flip on vezo and vote him for being a liar. I find that pretty ludicrous, particularly since that's not how DDD plays at all. Perhaps that is what Sottyrulez would do in that situation, but that's not how I would expect DDD to react and I think both of you know him well enough to understand that. But you don't apparently. Doesn't sit well with me.

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:16 am

I'm saying that's a reaction I think is more likely to come from scum who have been fingered by a cop. Playing cool as scum is something entirely different from playing cool as scum that has been copped. A scum that thinks they have been copped guilty is going to scramble to come up with a believable lie.

@Sottyrulez - what is your read of vezok right now?

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:28 am

posting

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:23 am

@sottyrulez - what confuses me then is how you have a town read based on vezok's results bungling and yet you expect DDD not to have a town read. Why couldn't he read it the same way you did? He's required to OMGUS?

@Vas - my concern is that Kise was actually the mafia killer last night and was jailkept or something. If that was the case and he kept quiet, he'd look suspicious, right? So, maybe he starts the day and says 'I was beat up and survived because I must have been the stopped scum kill'. Think about it for a minute though. When a player is protected by the doctor, are they usually told that? The answer is no because then you are giving people a chance to confirm themselves as town once the doc claims. Unless kise is UNK or something, I am highly suspicious of him claiming to survive the scumkill and be told about it. Full GMan review today.

Why are people voting EA over 'chesskid's gut'...that makes me nervous. you either find him scummy or you don't. Don't put it on chesskid and then later if it's a mislynch say 'not my fault'.

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:40 am

Everyone that voted for chesskid's gut either needs to explain why they find EA scummy or I'm leaving the wagon.

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:40 am

Ok Vas, gave it a close reread and here is my feeling on the specific points:

Point 1: GMan doesn't follow DDD's plan even though he agrees with it - Semi-valid, but I could see town misreading it if they were in a hurry. Hard to say what is the actual case in this instance. Timestamps do seem to indicate it is possible he was tired.

Point 2: Gman agrees with thor, then votes thor - This is the strongest point of the case and definitely stands out to me as something legitimately scummy.

Point 3: Gman has contradictory stances on OMGUS - I've addressed this already. This is probably the weakest point you made.

It's an okay case overall. I would actually like Gman to explain his thought process on point 2 very thoroughly so I can understand why he voted Thor there.

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:19 pm

Frenchy slam: Gman

You sir, are ridiculous about ignoring people. I gave you a chance, now die.

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:54 pm

unvote

I get what you were saying now Gman. nevermind then. you were saying you agree with Sottyrulez about their read on thor's BS read. This game needs more quoting.

Vas, sorry bro...that was your best point and it's based on misreading what GMan was saying there.

piledriver: jediknight

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:54 am

@VV - I don't think it's that ridiculous really. There was apparently no mafia kill last night, therefore a doc or some type of blocking role had to be in play. It could be a doc'ed kill for sure, but I also don't think it's uncommon for there to be jailkeepers and roleblockers in a large setup. Shrug. I am will to look elsewhere though since people feel I'm off my rocker about it apparently.

I think you're reaching on the GMan case at this point. Please respond to my response and subsequent clarification of one of your main points. He is lurking for sure...but so are a lot of people in this game. Hell, furcolow is lurking and you were just lurking scum buddies with him not very long ago...why aren't you on his case? Not saying I really care for Gman's contribution to the game, but there are plenty off people who are just as bad or worse (jediknight for example)

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:05 am

If kise is UNK, then I think he should claim so at this point. That would go a long way to allaying my concerns about the situation. I am just confused as to why he would be told he was beat up and not killed. I have never heard of that happening when someone is doc protected simply because then that player is 100% confirmed when the doc claims.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:28 am

You should learn what rolefishing is, but you don't hear me complaining.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:45 am

Because I want Kise to explain the mystery behind what he is claiming happened to him last night. There is bullshit afoot regarding it. Frankly, I don't care whether you like about me talking on it or not either. In fact, I would argue that most people stopped listening to much of anything you're saying long ago. But please continue spamming the thread with IS tunnel shit that no one is reading anyhow. I'm sure it's quite fulfilling.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:14 am

I actually was moving on, hence the jediknight vote. I don't consider it the same situation as with you, but I understand that a majority of people don't agree with me and I'm willing to let it go for now.

In other news, what are your thoughts on what I pointed out about Vas' GMan case? It seems rather weak without that Thor point in my opinion, even if Gman is barely existing in this thread.

Furcolow or jediknight lynch may be better choices.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:07 am

@Sottyrulez- I'm not 'attacking' Vas' case so much as I'm saying his best point is inaccurate. The reason lurking for GMan doesn't move me is because other people are doing it and worse. Pretty simple that if you're attacking lurkers it should be the worst offenders, right?

In terms of IS, idk. I think he's spazzing out, but I don't know if that's his normal MO or not. He seems pretty illogical, but that's how a lot of people are rolling in this game, so...

re: chesskid - if you're trying to troll me, you may as well give up because I don't really care. I'm quite confident that I'm better at mafia than you, and you being petty about that doesn't bother me. so, shrug.

@DDD - jedi has bothered me since the royal rumble stage on an intuitive level, though I really need to formalize a case at some point so people will see what I've felt. Put it on my list of things to do today. Furc is famous for his lurker scum. He's had a few bursts this game where I've seen town-furc fire, but it's not very consistent. That makes me pretty wary of him.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:41 am

So you bad-meta Jason and your next main suspect is based on meta again.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:46 am

lol, why is the GMan case gaining steam after the best point was shown to be an error? I don't get it.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:02 am

Post 1013 by Vas

He makes the point that GMan agrees with Thor, then proceeds to vote Thor. It's based on a misreading of Gman's post. GMan was actually agreeing with your read of Thor's play toward BS. It is understandable because I misread it as well, but it's an error just the same. I think this was the best point against GMan and without that the case is pretty meh.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:20 am

GMan is criticizing Thor right before that vote Hoppster...this is like an Abbott and Costello routine now.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:40 am

See my post 1514 for a thorough explanation of it.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:01 pm

What would you say are the main points on Gman that you agree with Lowell? Just a quick bullet list is all I want.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:25 pm

Gman is agreeing with Sottyrulez. I know it's confusing.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:28 pm

He seems to be rather unthinking about what he does, yes. He also seems to have a huge ego. Both of these things need to be considered when you are reading him.

Then again...you also seem to have quite the ego. >.>

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:48 pm

I'll let beyonce know.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:53 am

Why are you making so many damn excuses bristep?

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:14 am

I'd actually like it if you both stopped the appeals to emotion on general whining. I'd say you guys are a distinct reason for town apathy at the moment. If you're not scum, then you're helping them. So please zip it for a bit.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:05 am

chokeslam: furcolow

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:46 am

Why is it that the best thing jedi can do is say 'people lurking'? I find this quite lacking.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:38 am

jedi, do you think I'm OMGUSing you? Really?

Also, why are you playing the world's tiniest violin about me picking on you? I do find your scumhunting lacking. You're going after pretty low hanging fruit and even then it's still not for good reasons.

VP Baltar · Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:54 am

1) I am voting Furc for a very specific meta reason that jedi is not aware of based upon his posting. Hence why I said he was attacking people for poor reasons.
2) I don't give a shit who IS is voting for. Stop trying to sell me your juicer. I've said this before.
3) I was more so talking about his post with furc, emp, jason...I do think there is some laziness going on with the GMan wagon, which I've been pointing out repeatedly. That being said, I'm also not sold on GMan town considering everything...so meh.

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:10 am

Nero, Who is him referring to here? Gman?

@Furc - I presume you're talking about Baby Spice-scum from Stars Aligned III, correct? Can you tell me what about BS' posting this game reminds you of that game?

@DDD - frankly, I don't understand why you're still voting GMan. I actually find that troublesome since you said it is "just another lurker case" after I straightened out Vas' misinterpretation. I'd like some justification of your vote still being there now if that's how you feel. Also, deadline isn't until next week, so I don't see why you're talking down the jediknight wagon. I think there is at least a core amount of suspicion around him that could build into a wagon. How do you feel about jedi?

VP Baltar · Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:43 am

@Nero - if you want to be a dick, then fuck off. It's not my fault you write unclear drivel. Don't expect me to answer shit from you if you can't even answer a simple clarifying question civilly. You don't like it, then grow a pair and vote.

VP Baltar · Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:58 am

@Furc - It's not about your mass post style not being present. I totally get that. It's that you have very little presence in the game and you're not really going after people seriously, which is what you do as town. As scum you're passive, and that's what I see here. Even though you can't multi-post at one time, I'd still expect to see you on here a couple times a day ripping into people. It's not exactly a slow game where you don't get a chance to post more than once a a day. Your presence is very limited, and I find that questionable.

@BS - You should talk to Furc. He's the one that said he had meta on you. I was simply asking him to clarify because I don't know what that meta is. Apparently it's ongoing, so I guess I'll never know.

LOWELL - From about four pages ago when you last posted: "What would you say are the main points on Gman that you agree with, Lowell? Just a quick bullet list is all I want."

VP Baltar · Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:32 am

@DDD - if he is no longer 'most likely to be scum' in your book, then who is? Also, quoting me as saying GMan isn't contributing doesn't do much for me when in the very say sentence I point out that many people are acting exactly the same as him. My question to you was this: what makes Gman stand out for you? I didn't get it then and I don't get it now. That is what I'd like explained.

@Vas - By 'incredibly picky,' you mean asking for logical explanations based on what people are saying? I don't think I've been all that picky really, just going after things that stick out as inconsistent to me. If you really have that much of a problem with me suspecting Kise, then you should probably vote me because you bringing it up repeatedly isn't going to make me not suspect him. As far as lists, I think I've been quite clear today of who I like and don't like. I won't be giving you a bullet list because I don't think that's useful at this juncture.

@Empking- do you think you've been helpful?

VP Baltar · Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:39 pm

In what way?

VP Baltar · Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:52 am

@Empking - and what makes you think anyone else in the game couldn't say the exact same things about their votes? It seems to me you're either arrogant about what you're actually doing this game, or you're full of hot air and trying to look like you're playing when you're not. What was it from your vote that gave you a scum read on DDD?

VP Baltar · Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:23 am

It seems like Gman and IS are our only two viable wagons at this point. I guess out of those, I think Gman is more likely to flip scum, but I do think some of the votes on that wagon look extremely forced. I guess it would be an informative flip nonetheless. IS' wagon seems to be mostly because he acts like jerk and a VI in thread. I get the sense he's wreckless town, so maybe he's better vig material.

Full Nelson: Gman

We have five days until deadline, so let's get everyone on one of these two so we can get a claim and then lynch please.

VP Baltar · Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:31 am

@KK - maybe you can give me the sparknotes on the IS case. Frankly, Nero's incessant jabbering about it made me feel like 1) it's mostly because IS annoys him 2) IS is footloose and fancy free when it comes to OMGUSing and etc.

Even though I do think the Gman case is thin, I can at least see it a touch. IS case seems to be about personality. Can you point out what I'm missing (and have probably skimmed due to Nero-whining)?

Also, Empking is referring to Carnival Mafia...which was like my second or third game on site.

VP Baltar · Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:16 am

that's not an ad hom. you should look up what the word means.

VP Baltar · Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:56 pm

I do think IS' scumhunting is lacking. You're clearly not reading my posts. However, I think IS comes across town in his town and jedi comes across as trying to appease people and not ruffle too many feathers etc. etc. You're over simplifying things to fit your argument, as far as I'm concerned.

re: jedi + furc - I pursue suspicious behavior in the early days and I don't give two shits about calling scum teams. If I see a player acting scummy, expect me to say so, regardless of what that player looks like in relation to other players I find scummy.

One of the biggest problems on the site recently is people wanting to call the entire scum team on D1. Get over yourself, seriously. 99 percent of the time, calling the scumteam is just one big ball of incoherent conspiracy theory. Just scum hunt and deal with one lynch at a time until you have legitimate reason (ie, mod confirmed flips) to be drawing connections. /rant

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:58 am

bristep - comes across as somewhat sincere in his being overwhelmed by the game. I'd like to give him a chance to do his full reread and catch up if possible. I can understand how this game would be difficult if you're newer.

Gman should be doc protected and allowed to shoot tonight. I need to look at the titles to see what exactly the IC title does, but if it works like Kise is suggesting, then we should definitely give it to him like a new clip of ammo. Lord knows there are plenty of people that need a bullet between the eyes here.

Out of the Gman wagon, I'd want jediknight dead the most...but a lurker like Gobots or Scott Brosius could probably use a rope as well if there isn't support for the former.

Eye rake: jediknight

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:02 am

IS, regardless of if you believe Gman's claim or not here, I don't think the optimal play is to lynch him today (which is what I assume you're suggesting). Whether he is telling the truth or not is going to come out in the wash soon enough. If the scum have a RBer or something and they want to spend it stopping Gman, then that just allows our other PRs to be in play. I say let them.

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:20 am

I don't know much about what wrestlers would or wouldn't make good vigs, but I would like Gman to full claim everything in his rolePM. Forgot to mention that earlier.

@SR - saying the doc should protect Gman creates wifom regarding the scumkill. if gman is telling the truth, then I'd like to increase his chances of living. Yes?

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:34 am

I wasn't really questioning the merits of your case necessarily. I said I was skimming what you were writing because it was coming across very whiny and tunneling. There is a big difference between those two things.

VP Baltar · Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:05 pm

@ nero - so you're saying the points where I give my opinion on IS are ad hom because I don't agree with your evaluation. Sure. Also, if I was scum and you were town, I'd most certainly leave you alive because of how annoying you have been and killed overall town motivation to participate in this game. Just my .02

Bspice- rather than waste a vig on you because you're not paying attention, you should just start participating. Take this night phase to read the game and get back in here please.

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:42 am

lol, you're seriously appealing to Yos to defend yourself Emp. That's almost pathetic.

This Bristep wagon is pretty nonsensical imo.

@EA - what are the main points of the bristep wagon and why should I join?

@KK - I still think IS wagon is about personality, though I may be persuaded to toss him out because he has been kind of scummy and it would at least help people focus if he wasn't around. Then again...maybe he should be vigged tonight and save us the trouble.

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:11 am

@bristep - I know AV's been after you more consistently. The point is that I don't understand why EA is voting you, so I'd like him to explain the case.

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:59 am

Atomic Wedgie: Furcolow

@SR - what makes you think flavor is that closely followed in this game?

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:15 am

I find it very strange that sottyrulez is playing outguess the mod frankly. Why not just leave him to vig tonight and prove his flavor? Seems ridiculously simple to solve imo.

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:48 am

lol, how am I playing outguess the mod when I'm saying we should see what actually happens? There is absolutely no guessing involved in that whatsoever. Meanwhile, you are saying 'flavoraid doesn't fit with Guerrua based upon stuff that happened in RL, LYNCH'. I need you to explain this to me how I'm the one outguessing what Locke would do.

VP Baltar · Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:54 am

honestly, I don't like to guess about flavor in large games. mods can intentionally mess with it to punish people that live by it. I'm not saying Locke would do that, and you could be right...but I think it's a real enough chance that lynching over flavor should always be a moot point unless the mod explicitly says that flavor knowledge is required.

re: early claiming - what did he claim at again? I thought he was close with people threatening to hammer. Does Gman have any games where he stated a policy on early claiming that I should know about? I do find early claims suspicious.

In terms of how likely I find Gman to be town...I don't have a defined percentage really. I think his claim is believable enough on its face that I'd like to leave him in play for at least a night so he can prove it. Even if he's scum, then he's going to have to kill someone the town wants dead, which is fine in my book.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:11 am

Atomic Wedgie: jediknight

Everyone get on this wagon now. That means people on the bristep wagon that's not happening.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:53 am

@AV - I think EA's points about bristep flopping on his chesskid meta are pretty dumb. There is some waffling, but to me that entire situation looks like a noob not really thinking about what he's saying before he's posting. I'm not sold on the EA-bristep connection necessarily either. I do think that in your exchange with him on page 68 bristep comes out looking the worse for wear. I don't like how angry he got about you pushing him a little. It sounds a touch guilty in that sense. You may be reaching a bit with the case on him however considering his join date. If it really came down to it, I am certainly ok with a bristep lynch over a no lynch. I do think jediknight is a superior choice though. What do you think of jedi?

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:17 am

Since deadline is Friday, AV, I suggest we each leave our votes where they are until 10pm EST (GMT-4) today and whoever is leading out of bristep and jedi at that time gets our votes. Deal?

@Everyone else - top three wagons appear to be bristep, jedi and IS. If your vote isn't on one of these three, you're probably scum trying to push the day out. Vote accordingly in your next post or die. (yes, sottyrulez, I excluded Gman because I'm still not sold on lynching a provable role today.)

I really hate how this game day in general has gone. bleh. In terms of Gman shooting someone, that's up to him. All I will say is that you're going to be judged based upon the quality of your shot and you better have a damn good reason for it if the person doesn't flip scum. No pressure!

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:30 am

Because I only looked at the last vote count. Replace IS with Empking then.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:09 am

That's fine, AV. I forgot you're across the pond anyhow.

Everyone else, that's your deadline to get a real wagon going. Do it now.

VP Baltar · Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:26 am

@jedi - my timeline does allow for claims. I'm telling people to vote today so we still have tomorrow and friday. wtf else can we do? You're essentially saying it's my fault that people have been so disorganized today AND you blame me for trying to get people organized. Cool story bro. I hear I also control the snow, wind and rain as well. In terms of reasons why I think you should be lynched, I find a majority of your posting to be devoid of scumhunting. Additionally, when I pressed you slightly, you turned exceptionally whiny about it like I was picking on just you or something. I find that type of overreaction is much more likely to come from scum. I don't need a wall case to be effective. I let your behavior speak for itself. I also like how you're softclaim power left and right now. Scum never do that when they're getting run up.

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