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[Nero Cain]

ITT IS dodges a valid point by claiming I'm twisting when I'm clearly not.

"Barely any content, not much opinion, vote swinging, massive lurking. They are both the king of fluffy one liners."

This was your case on BOTH EA and Emp.

How is this any different than someone like Sco Bro?

+ there are tons of others "lurkers".

Your "case" on them is vauge. I don't see why you DIDN'T put a specific case on them.

So who all did you ISO?

You clearly stated that you WERE going to put cases on them [before Vox and VPB voted them]. Which sounds like [line 2 in THIS post] was NOT your full case on them and that you were PLANNING on putting specific cases on them.

@JediKnight-concerning the soft defense of IS. How does that help the town at all? You'd want a reckless town player? And why are you still not voting( i.e; I have no strong opinions either way)? Do you find Bristep scummy?

@Lowell-If you find Sco Bro scummy (as he is) then why are you joining the GMan wagon with him? What do you think this says about the GMan wagon?

[Lowell]

@nero- yeah I realize it's not the best of bedfellows, but really scum are probably as likely to bus as not; so I don't think scottybro's vote being on GMan necessarily means anything one way or the other. Gman is mostly the reasons others have given. lurking isn't the worst thing in the world (I would know), but if it starts to seem like deliberate hiding, it's a problem.

[VP Baltar]

What would you say are the main points on Gman that you agree with Lowell? Just a quick bullet list is all I want.

[Hoppster]

@ VPB: Reading your post through again just confuses me more. It didn't help that I just realised I'd been looking at Thor's #454 rather than #444, but I'm still just as confused, if not moreso. Vas doesn't post between Thor's #444 and Gman's post (#455?). Who is GMan agreeing with if not Thor?!

If I'm just being an idiot, don't bother responding. I'll have another look tomorrow when I'm not so tired.

[Erratus Apathos]

@AV's 1484: No I am not voting bristep for "short sighted thinking", I am voting him for SCUM thinking. "Here's a wagon I want on, what's the laziest excuse to get on it? Oh hey people are sheeping chesskid, so I'll just do that." That is explicitly NOT TOWN THINKING.

What are these "worse things" bristep's done? I honestly didn't see them.

Hey IS, are you going to point out my supposed lurking? I wasn't joking when I said I'd vote myself if you did.

[VP Baltar]

Gman is agreeing with Sottyrulez. I know it's confusing.

[Nero Cain]

@EA Why are you voting Bris? I mean IS is pushing your bandwagon and you hop off onto Bris? I don't understand. You should come back.

@VP do you think IS is an erratic player?

[VP Baltar]

He seems to be rather unthinking about what he does, yes. He also seems to have a huge ego. Both of these things need to be considered when you are reading him.

Then again...you also seem to have quite the ego. >.>

[Nero Cain]

My ego is huge!!!!

[VP Baltar]

I'll let beyonce know.

[VasudeVa]

IS vs. Nero totally reads like Town v Town. Both of them are too shameless. Nero gets extra Town points because I know his play and he isn't this hyperactive when he's got something to hide. IS is totally playing to DEFCON Town IS(from what I remember from it anyway.).

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I'll review a few things when I have time.

[Gobots]

Vasu, 1479, Are you saying that you think Gman is not contributing as much as he could be? Do you mean that you think he is somehow holding back?

Bristep, RE: 1480, Don't think we didn't notice what a helpful little townie you were in this post.

Nero, RE: 1484 I think you're reaching.

Emp, Why do you think it is strange that sotty has been on the two biggest wagons rather than the smaller ones?

Vezo, That was a very cautious vote move you did there. Why so tender about it?

Hoppster: Because there were more interesting, current, things to talk about at that moment.

About Gman: I'm suspicious of the "MY META'S LIKE THIS" defense. I think the "I'm not OMGUSING YOUR OMGUSING" is also suspicious. I'd need to see more from him before I'd move my vote.

About Kise: I was pondering the innateness of his power, too. It's vague, yes. I'm kinda with DDD though. At least we know ~something~ happened there. If Kise wants to clarify...ok.

I guess I need to reread the EA/AV/EVOO dabacle.

I will ISO Jedi and Furc

I probably will not reread the NC/IS tunneling.

Post: Kise, Primate, Bayyybeee

[Nero Cain]

[GMan]

Just to clarify once and for all - yes I was agreeing with Sottyrulez about Thor, not with Thor. My fault for not making that clear.

Some reads:

IS - I don't like the way he approached vezo vs DDD, and I think there are still some unanswered questions. I do, however, get a more genuine scum hunting vibe from him since.

Question to IS: I asked this once and I don't think I saw a direct response in his ISO (apologies if I missed it)

Why did you back off DDD, even though you didn't like his reaction to vezo at all?

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[Nero Cain]

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[GMan]

EA - I think both IS's case on him and his defense (#1357) are exaggerations. EA seems to land somewhere in the middle. In his actual posts he did have some content and he did have opinions. I also don't think he was vote-swinging too badly either.

However, to claim he'd never lurked? I think at the time of the case being made if you only have 32 posts you could defintiely be more active than you have been so far (myself included). It doesn't necessarily mean you're scummy, but to compeltely deny it is a stretch.

I don't like the last line of his #1357. Just because some of the information is incorrect does not mean it wasn't legitimate scum-hunting. Also, the points IS made were about both EA and Empking. I'm sure he generalised on one or two. But I think they were all/mostly at least partially accurate I think.

Gut says null-leaning scum. I'm far from enamored with the case against him, but I don't find him townie either.

[I have more but I'm going to bed. Will continue tomorrow.]

[vezokpiraka]

I want the bristep wagon to go further. I don't like the top wagons right now.

[Empking]

Gobots; The

three

biggest wagons because it suggests he's wagon hopping rather than scumhunting.

[Erratus Apathos]

@NC's 1531: I'm voting bristep because he's a greater scumread than IS, so I was trying to get a wagon going on him. But you do have a point, the bristep wagon isn't going, so

Bronco buster: Internet Stranger

sorry vezok

@Gman: No it's not a stretch, I have

never

lurked. Not even once. Having a low postcount is not the same thing as lurking. I have given my opinion on all the topical issues, and pushed the issues that I feel should be topical. And I have done so consistently throughout the entire game. Hence, never lurked.

And no shit wrong information doesn't mean fake scumhunting, people make honest mistakes. But is IS acting like someone who made an honest mistake? Hell no. He hasn't admitted he was wrong about me lurking, nor has he backed up his claims. If he honestly believed I was lurking he could post page numbers or dates I lurked through, or issues I've avoided taking a stance on, or some shit like that. But he hasn't. All he's doing is insisting he's right in the face of evidence to the contrary. THAT is fake scumhunting.

[AurorusVox]

EA: His play yesterday was pinging all sorts of bad on the radar. Especially his votes, and especially his vote for Trendall due to town consensus. Hoppster picked out a neat contradiction in terms to do with him voting for the person who had/was "least votes/most popular". I'm surprised you're claiming ignorance of his scummy D1 play.

He's a stronger scumread but you unvote with a weak prompt from NC? If he's that strong a scumread, shout about it and get others on with you.

[sottyrulez]

GMan, what's your opinion on Vas, VP and Triple D?

[Kublai Khan]

@vezokpiraka: why aren't you voting for Internet Stranger?

@vasueVa: Do you have a scum-Internet Stranger meta to compare this game to?

Also @VasudeVa: Have you read VP's post pointing out the error in your case against GMan? What say you?

[bristep123]

@AV: Regardless of what reads you and EA and vezo might have on me, I find it interesting that you think that EA shouldn't have moved from one wagon he thought was valid but wasn't gaining traction to another wagon he thinks is valid but is. Especially when your vote is on him, as is the vote of the person who's wagon he's now joined.

As much as I wanted to follow chesskid's gut as a meta experiment seeing that you and IS are also now the only other people on the wagon and I don't trust either of you

unvote

People seem to play their games assuming everyone plays the perfect symmetrical way, certain things are automatically scummy or townie. Maybe the fact that I've got less than 10 games under my belt and this being my first large game has something to do with how I've played so far. But I guess I can't ask town not to be wary of it, and I certainly can't expect the scum not to exploit it.

I don't have a clue which way to go, don't mind admitting I'm lost. I need to read through the whole thread again post rumble and try to get some clarity.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote internet stranger

This is the only big wagon I don't feel that bad for. I still want the bristep wagon.

[VP Baltar]

Why are you making so many damn excuses bristep?