Newbie 1010 (Game Over)

[Razgriz]

/Firm2firm

[Razgriz]

Vote: mod

Haha it's not bold so you can't hold me to it

[Razgriz]

Razgriz, gotta use zee bold tags for voting or the mod is 99% likely not to count it

I know I just didn't know if the mod would PR me for that. Some mods I've played with freak out if you joke vote them like that.

There were 9 items in your list. Here they are in random order:

vote neil1113

Random.org FTW!

1.neil1113
2.Razgriz-

Funny cause I almost would've had to vote myself O_o

3.silverbullet999 (SE)
4.Yoenit
5.nevermind (SE)
6.Vinicius Chaim
7.Civil Scum (IC)
8.Ups
9.Spadille
Timestamp: 2010-09-09 20:36:32 UTC

[Razgriz]

UNVOTE: neil

No more RVS, no more random votes.

Also, Raz come to think about it... I may have posted the most helpful information so far for the town, and it would make since for you to vote for me out if you're scum. And your list wasn't much help for you either considering these factors...

1. You put yourself as second in order to show "I almost voted for myself" in which any person skimming over it could think to themselves, "well, he must not have made it up!"

Well I seriously added the side comment to crack a joke which I figured someone would figure that out with the O_o at the side

2. Your next choice was Silverbullet, who ironically was JUST mentioned above you.

Hey don't blame me blame random.org

3. Then you went on to include Yoenit as he was online at the same time you and I were.

He was? I don't really stalk the bottom of the list to see who is online

and finally 4. As I stated above, it'd make sense for scum to try and vote out someone who is contributing to the town. It WOULDN'T make sense for a townie to try to vote out somebody who's giving helpful information to the town...

Ok first off, yes I notice you are helping to town, but it is RVS. The time to F around and vote anyone. It's not like I started a bandwagon. Secondly, alot of time, from expeirence(Spelling? Too tired to check it right now) the person most actively scum hunting, flips mafia. Not saying that is the case, or my case at voting you, because all I did was headover and use random.org. Also you seem abit eager to get rid of someone...

[Razgriz]

Probably shoulda answered nevermind's Q's in the same post but oh well.

What do you think is the best way to start off an F11 (the setup we're playing)?

RVS

If RVS:
How would you decide when to end RVS?

Really after about a page of it then I'd be getting down to it

What if no one reacts to anything?

Well then it could be hard to grab some scumtells and lynch before deadline

What would you say is the maximum number of votes a person can have?

Depends on the number alive and who wants to vote after he/she/it is lynched

How would one vote "randomly"?

By using random.org's random number generator

random number generator, frivolous reasons, patterns, etc.

By using random.org's random number generator or just to mess around about their name, or place on the list

[Razgriz]

Just to clarify, if we get 5 votes on one person at any point, he will be lynched right? Even if the deadline is still 2 weeks away, or are the votes only counted at the deadline?

Unless this site has

very

different rules they are lynched as soon as majority is reached.(And of course the mod gets on and reveals teh role)

This is correct.

[Razgriz]

@Yoenit, Vinicius Chaim, and Razgriz:

Thoughts on the game so far, any preliminary suspects

I'm gonna re-read these 60 or so posts and make an anylasis

[Razgriz]

Yes the long color coded analysis is here. Color codes below:

Blue

-Town read

Lightlike sky blue

-Slight town read

Black

-Neutral read

Orange red

-Slight scum

Red

-Scum

Yoenit

-

Hasn't posted much, not really contributing, although that sometimes is common from noobs. Had some decent answers to Q's asked at him which is why I'm leaning for the Neutral read on him

Vinicius Chaim

-

Posted more than yoenit hasn't contributed much(like I said before that is common in noobs) but is atleast trying. I do want to see more reasoning behind post #48:

FoS: neil
trying to make people vote in the IC so soon doesn't seems a good strategy for me

Yes it is true that IC can be scum just as true as they could be town, but ya know that also don't mean they should be lynched just because of the 2/9 chance that they are unless A: a cop proves it, or B: they drop a huge scumtell. Overall Slight town read

Spadille

-

Getting a town read off of him. He is decently active and actively scumhunting and has made some good answers to the Q's out there. Also made a few good points. Not dropping any scumtells as far as I can see and is contributing to the game. Overall town read

neil1113

-

Getting a

very

slight scum read on him. Reasons basically because he jumps on everyone and has used the fact that he is scumhunting and cotributing to the game as why he is definatly town. Also don't like the attempt to get people to always watch the IC intently(Like not follow other possible leads). However, I like his answers which are agreeable and logical. I also appreciate that he is being well active. Overall slight scum read

Ups

-

Getting a town read. He is actively posting and contributing to the game which is of course good. Also he has some good question answers. Also he has made some good points. Not dropping any scumtells as far as I can see. Overall town read

nevermind (SE)

-

Would've said slight town except he hasn't really contributed much except for his questions. Also decent amount of activity. Looking forward to the analysis. Overall neutral.

silverbullet999 (SE)

-

Scum read mainly because of lack of activity(Although he did say why it's just that you shoulda been checking) and lack of contribution. Don't like the answers that he gave to nevermind's Q's at all. If it was RVS all the time then that would be bad. Also don't like how he only skimmed. Agree with him on the avi thing. Overall neutral

Civil Scum (IC)

-Town read because of the fact the he is active, contributing, making good points, and making sense. Not dropping any scumtells, making some good, logical, and agreeable answers to questions asked of him.

Rank of Suspicion (Least to greatest):

Civil Scum

Ups

Spaddle

Vinicius Chaim

nevermind

Yeonit

neil1113

silverbullet999

Couple Q's for all:

1. What is your mafia expeirence (IYHO)
2. How do you feel about transition from RVS to seriousness(IE: How do you think it should be done)?
3. What do you do about people that bandwagon?

[Razgriz]

EBWOP: On silver bullet meant Overall scum

[Razgriz]

A bandwagon (BW) is when people pile on voting for people very quickly either lynching them or putting them a L-1. In the first few days before there are 6-5 people left a bandwagon is considered 3 people suddenly voting. Then the thrid voter is accused of bandwagoning, especially when the reasoning is poor

[Razgriz]

well, english is not my native language(I think you've already noticed it), so I can't express myself as I'd like to, but I'll try to explain you

I haven't really noticed (lol). I'm glad you can understand us atleast, but it is probably hard for you to get the full message out there (as you already said)

[offtopic]What is your native language?[/offtopic]

[Razgriz]

Mod:V/LA till late Monday-Heading to a football game then spending the night

[Razgriz]

EBWOP: Late Sunday-my mistake

[Razgriz]

Back all and have caught up. I will VOTE: Yeonitfor lurking. Will post more later.

[Razgriz]

-Raz

Back all and have caught up. I will VOTE: Yeonitfor lurking. Will post more later.

Razzy dearest I'd still LOVE to know A. How my opinion of RVS is a scum read.

It wasn't just that. Most of it was the fact that you hadn't been active and I was disappionted in the answers. Also I did take it seriously on the answers to nevermind's Q's

and also now
B. Why you aren't voting me since I'm scum according to you.

It's hard to explain. In one way I feel that you are scum, but in another way I don't have that feeling that I always get when I'm 95%+ sure that they are scum so I'm not really pressuring since the only real scumtells that really ain't much are the lack of activity(Ok so maybe that is bigger than I am giving credit) and the answers to the Q's(Which I took for serious at the time, now not really, although I still don't like em)

Answer these....

[Razgriz]

Time to get the BandWagon on the up

Er what? You WANT to bandwagon?

FoS silverbullet

[Razgriz]

1. Way to COMPLETELY IGNORE the questions I present to you in that same post.

My mistake

2. Do you think I'm bandwagoning you, because that is what your question is implying?

I'm not sure what you mean by this Q. Can you elaborate?

-Raz

It wasn't just that. Most of it was the fact that you hadn't been active and I was disappionted in the answers. Also I did take it seriously on the answers to nevermind's Q's

Ok taking the answers aside. The big reason you find me scum was because of inactivity... thus just like ups I must ask, why does me being inactive make me more scummy then yoenit?

At the time yeonit was active.

It's hard to explain. In one way I feel that you are scum, but in another way I don't have that feeling that I always get when I'm 95%+ sure that they are scum so I'm not really pressuring since the only real scumtells that really ain't much are the lack of activity(Ok so maybe that is bigger than I am giving credit) and the answers to the Q's(Which I took for serious at the time, now not really, although I still don't like em)

Now according to this... it's a slight scum read... if I am taking this correctly you have a slight scum read because of inactivity and my answers. Now if this is the case... why then did you state

silverbullet999 (SE)-Scum read mainly because of lack of activity(Although he did say why it's just that you shoulda been checking) and lack of contribution. Don't like the answers that he gave to nevermind's Q's at all. If it was RVS all the time then that would be bad. Also don't like how he only skimmed. Agree with him on the avi thing. Overall scum

(I fixed the last part as you mentioned you meant scum, was originally neutral). This seems like a certain read to me like your >50% sure i'm scum.


Lastly if you are unsure if i'm scum or not... why WOULDN'T you pressure me to get a better read on me?

I dunno. I;m not gonna pull a I'm a noob card because that is cheap. I will say this though:
I should've idk why, but I won't now since yeonit is deadbeating.

Time to get the BandWagon on the up

VOTE: Razgriz

[Razgriz]

Raz: Aren't you BW'ing the lurker , presently?

No. I can't control what happens on voting after I vote. I was the first to vote, and one or two others followed which then made it a bandwagon, which was caused by the peeps who decided to vote after me.

[Razgriz]

2. Razgriz (

I've had a sneaky suspicion from the start ever since his vote for me at the beginning 'what he "claims" is RVS'

actually had me look into him more. Also either ironic, or another slip up is that Raz has failed during his listing on pg2, to pay any attention to his partner in crime Ups. He innocently gets a town read from him, not even worthy of getting an investigation from Raz. Then again, why should Raz investigate or question his partner?) SCUM READ

Wow dude you really ARE paraniod. You seriuosly thought I decicded to make up a list on my own? Dude that is total overreaction to an RVS vote. I also think someone is made over the read they got from me...

[Razgriz]

2. Razgriz (

I've had a sneaky suspicion from the start ever since his vote for me at the beginning 'what he "claims" is RVS'

actually had me look into him more. Also either ironic, or another slip up is that Raz has failed during his listing on pg2, to pay any attention to his partner in crime Ups. He innocently gets a town read from him, not even worthy of getting an investigation from Raz. Then again, why should Raz investigate or question his partner?) SCUM READ

Wow dude you really ARE paraniod. You seriuosly thought I decicded to make up a list on my own? Dude that is total overreaction to an RVS vote. I also think someone is mad over the read they got from me...

*EBWOP: Made? lol meant mad

[Razgriz]

Couple things happening in this post:

Neil-

1. Ups (I really don't have much doubt he would be scum. And if the two mafia are doing what is expected of them, they'd try to blend in their arguments with one another so that nobody could pick any specific reason to pair the two up. Although ironically, with Ups being new and Raz being rather new, it seems to make sense if they made this mistake to both vote for the same person... (looking at the Yoenit votes)... SCUM READ
2. Razgriz (I've had a sneaky suspicion from the start ever since his vote for me at the beginning 'what he "claims" is RVS' actually had me look into him more. Also either ironic, or another slip up is that Raz has failed during his listing on pg2, to pay any attention to his partner in crime Ups. He innocently gets a town read from him, not even worthy of getting an investigation from Raz. Then again, why should Raz investigate or question his partner?) SCUM READ-

Epic paranoia. You mention ONLY the fact that I used random.org which you believe to be bullsh*t that I made it up. Also bud, I don't see where the scum part on Ups is coming in. One thing I will say is that it is very likely neil is scum and is trying to get Ups lynched who could very likely be scum making neil look town. Just sayin.

Silver-

Razzy... darling... your continuance on ignoring my questions is not at all helping me get a town read on you.
If you are scum, continue to do so!
If you are town, answer the bloody questions

My mistake ok? God I got caught up in the game, missed the Q. Do I think you are bandwagoning? The way you posted saying "Time to get the bandwagon on the up" so yes I did think you were attempting to. Not so much anymore

[Razgriz]

Wow dude. You are the most paraniod dipstick I've ever seen. The chances of me showing up second in a random 9 person list is... 11%. A 1/9 chance of showing up and that 1/9 chance happened. It is poor reasoning to lynch someone for an RVS random.org list.

I have no proof youre scum except reasons in my analyasis and scumtells which you are dropping many with this paranoid act. Now this paranioa along with other scumtells and reasons stated in my anaylasis have now put you #1 on my scum list. Not because you voted me, but because of your ongoing paranioa. UNVOTE: yeonit VOTE: neil1113

SIMUL with yeonit

[Razgriz]

Upon reading above, I voted you when you were lurking yeonit.

[Razgriz]

4. Then you decide your comeback? "Oh, he's just mad at me for my vote on him!" This is a WIFOM (or circular may be a better word to use here) argument in which I could say "No it's not!" Until I'm blue in the face, but I've already shown why my votes on you. None of which really has ANYTHING to do with the fact that you voted on me earlier on in this game. You're vote just HINTED me towards this, that's all.

Um what? I voted you in RVS. Get out of the RVS stage of the game.

1. It takes a few minutes.

Who cares? It's paranioa that's what the total accusation is

2. It'd be an easy way to vote off some good contributors if you're scum without even having to defend yourself (granted, now I realize you weren't specifically trying to vote me off. But again, with 4 votes needed to get me out of here on top of your vote, that's a scary place to be in my position. Especially like Yoenit, where he got 3 votes within a page?

So you seriuosly are to the epic paranioa point where one vote on you screams scum/bandwagon? Yeonit was lurking at the time. The only thing I can do is unvote in that situation

3. What are the chances that the list just HAPPENED to figure itself up as you to be 2nd, the last poster before you as 3rd, and Yoenit who it said was looking at the page at the time to be 4th? Unless you listed it personally, because of memory coming into play that those were the people that we're online / just had posted. I think THOSE chances are a lot better then the chances that ALL THREE of them happened randomly.

Paranioa dude. Seriously as I said earlier:
1. I don't stalk the online list.
2. It's a chance where people come up. Everyone had an 11% chance of turning up in a certain spot. I landed 2nd.
3. I'm pretty sure the 3rd person hadn't posted above me. Mr. Paranioa.

Just in case you're not too good at math.

Way to insult me. I'm actually in advanced math. Or honors, whatever you want to call it.

It's not hard to make up a list.

Fact: Do any 13 year-olds know how to do a timestamp or go into freaky paraniod insane do this he made it up himself sate? No.

Though I do find it convenient that right after Civil acknowledges that he could see my points on Ups, you fire right back of how "I don't see it!" Your last post sir, made no sense.

Excuse me, but did you fail to notice he said my reasons were solid except for silverbullet?

SIMUL again...

[Razgriz]

What are you talking about "Paranoia?" I've shown why I was voting for you, and now it's "Oh my gosh, I don't know what to say! Uh... you're so paranoid right now! Vote: You!" You added me to your #1 because of how I just simply stated the fact that YOU are scum. So now you choose to vote for me because of this statement. Of course the "many scumtails" I'm dropping during this ACT OF VOTING ON YOU. Ha, you really make me laugh Raz. That was a very pathetic defense you stated, and again a circular "No, You're SCUM" argument from you which I guess I should've suspected.

I doubt my vote will be changing, I doubt someone could be any more scum then you right now.

Paranioa exhibit A:

It's not hard to make up a list, in fact I just did one in about 2 minutes. It doesn't seem that big of a stretch to think that, for these reasons:

Exhibit B:

Your continual crap about my random.org list. Only someone who is paraniod about being scum or trying to hard to be town when they are scum would make a big deal over a list that was randomized using random.org.

Exhibit C:

You don't want to do that Raz... it's a Toby Keith CD in the middle of an Opera concert. Think about it.

Exhibit D:

Also, Raz come to think about it... I may have posted the most helpful information so far for the town, and it would make since for you to vote for me out if you're scum. And your list wasn't much help for you either considering these factors...

1. You put yourself as second in order to show "I almost voted for myself" in which any person skimming over it could think to themselves, "well, he must not have made it up!"-The paranoia beginnings...

2. Your next choice was Silverbullet, who ironically was JUST mentioned above you.-The continuation...

3. Then you went on to include Yoenit as he was online at the same time you and I were.-Again....

and finally

4. As I stated above, it'd make sense for scum to try and vote out someone who is contributing to the town. It WOULDN'T make sense for a townie to try to vote out somebody who's giving helpful information to the town...-Pulls the I'm helping the town so I can't possibly be scum card.

Exhibit E:

2. Razgriz (I've had a sneaky suspicion from the start ever since his vote for me at the beginning 'what he "claims" is RVS'

-Even more continuing paranioa from something that happened during RVS and his only argue ment

Need I continue reasons for paranioa?

[Razgriz]

What are you talking about "Paranoia?" I've shown why I was voting for you, and now it's "Oh my gosh, I don't know what to say! Uh... you're so paranoid right now! Vote: You!" You added me to your #1 because of how I just simply stated the fact that YOU are scum. So now you choose to vote for me because of this statement. Of course the "many scumtails" I'm dropping during this ACT OF VOTING ON YOU. Ha, you really make me laugh Raz. That was a very pathetic defense you stated,

and again a circular "No, You're SCUM" argument from you which I guess I should've suspected.

I doubt my vote will be changing, I doubt someone could be any more scum then you right now.

Are you even reading my posts? Did you not read what I posted? I gave my reasons right there it was not. YOU'RE BEING DUMB YOU GOTTA BE SCUM vote

[Razgriz]

Maybe you're right, you are 13 and you're NOT smart enough to come up with that.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh. You just took this to a personal level. You are now INSULTING me by calling me stupid

[Razgriz]

But, how is paranoia a scum tell?

IMHO it is a scumtell because people will become paraniod, sometimes, when someone makes a solid case against them, or they freak out over some little vote that wasn't anything and try to make some twisted story

SIMUL

[Razgriz]

I also noticed how razgriz was voting for yoenit (for lurking but voting nonetheless) while yoenit sides with razgriz against neil. could be a some partner defense after failed bussing?

I think that yeonit made the same point as you when he sided. RVS is over so stfu about it

[Razgriz]

I also noticed how razgriz was voting for yoenit (for lurking but voting nonetheless) while yoenit sides with razgriz against neil. could be a some partner defense after failed bussing?

I think that yeonit made the same point as you when he sided. His point was in a nutshell 'RVS is over so stfu about it'

EBWOP: That didn't come out right

[Razgriz]

Mod: I unvoted yeonit and voted neil

Fixed.

[Razgriz]

Ok well, wow. A lot can happen in 10 hours or less.

-neil

you could have 3 votes in a matter of minutes by that logic.

True, but wth would scum attempt to validly(With evidence or attempt with evidence) quicklynch day 1? I wouldn't see the logic. COuld you enlighten me?

I don't really have much to say right now until I can read somemore

[Razgriz]

-Raz
Well again you have missed my question lovely raz... though it wasn't fully labeled so you are excused from it.

I thought the question was fer someone else...

-Well when you thought I was, was that your sole reason for fosing me?

Pretty Much So.

If not, what else?

If Anything Else It Would Be Because I Didn't See Much Reasoning. Might Read Over That One Again To See If I'm Right

[Razgriz]

Especially since I'm probably voting right now on his partner Ups...

You have no real evidence with this so...

Therefore, unless you have valid reasoning to make me the prime suspect, it wouldn't really be wise to keep your vote on me

Hypocricy noted. You have no proof on me and you attack and paranioaly say for sure me and ups are scum me being over you paranioa on my random.org list, but then you tell someone else not to do that? Hypocrite

[Razgriz]

Wow dude. I'm pointing out hypocricy not your paranioa. I said that was one of the attacks on me. But if you want to vote hop Mr. Overreating Hypocrite

[Razgriz]

Neil do you even read thw whole ofmy posts? You have absolutely nothing to prove I am scum except assumptions. ASSUMPTIONS do not make a good case. And I never knew good mafia cases against someone were also made by taking posts out of context and only quoting teh first part cause you know the rest weakens your case. I plead not guilty

[Razgriz]

Well definately not assumptions. If someone has some at least decent evidence that they can prove by like quotes and stuff then yeah sure

[Razgriz]

Quotes that aren't quotes neil. You only quote the part that will help your case against me. I rest my case

[Razgriz]

Careful in your responses to Raz Silver, otherwise we're going to be the next scum team!

*yells obscenities.*

The following has been taken out due to excessive cussing for no apparent reason:

$#^&Q%^&*^%*

Well, I am of course the most important person alive

Excuse me?

Ditto. What is that supposed to mean? Maybe a cop?

[Razgriz]

OR IS IT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Yes it is

[Razgriz]

Sliver did not ask me anything. I will say this. I relize I prob shoulda pressured silver more in my accusation on him. I also agree now that the reasoning was a bit out there. I just was having a hard time at this point and kind of vented it on someone(Moms friend diagnoused with ALS =( ) I know I shouldn't of taken that into the game, but that is what it was. I also swear I am town. Goodbye until like I dunno an hour or two

[Razgriz]

I feel like a jerk now. >_>

Naw it ain't your fault. I shouldn't of let it get to me in this game. I shoulda taken a day or two to get over it instead of taking it out in the game

[Razgriz]

Right now we need a couple of activity besides me, oli, neil, chaim, and civil. And the Silver post every now and then

[Razgriz]

Earlier it was for what I thought was mor eparanioa based off an RVS post. Which reminds me
UNVOTE: neil1113

[Razgriz]

Earlier it was for what I thought was mor eparanioa based off an RVS post. Which reminds me
UNVOTE: neil1113

wait, first he was your #1 scum, with your paranoia thing and accusing him of being scum almost every post you made, now, that guys are looking at me, saying I'm scum and so, you just unvote to try staying out of suspicious?
if it made me look scum, it also makes you look so
UNVOTE: neil

VOTE: Razgriz

No you are not reading my posts. My number 1 scum is/was/might still be silverbullet.

I'm not looking at you. I unvoted because I felt no need for the vote to be there anymore. Is that a crime?

[Razgriz]

Enlighten me as to how I'm still your #1, and how you still have not pursued it.

I don't think you are anymore(As I semi said in that post), hell I don't think I have a #1 anymore. I'm gonna re-read soon

[Razgriz]

Well if this is the case, (though yes Raz, I'll give you that you semi hinted that it wasn't true) why did you use it as a defense from Vinc?

I didn't I said is/was/might still be. Wasn't sure @ the time, but I was leaning towards the not anymore option

Why didn't you say instead that your not sure who you think scum is atm (or something of the sort)?

Wasn't sure at the time as I said in the other one. Will re-read when I get a chance

[Razgriz]

raz, how could silver be(in that time) your #1 if the only one I saw was you attacking neil("the paranoia" ;p), if I missed something, I'll re-read some pages when I have time

Because I don't have a #1 anymore. I never stated neil was my #1 scum anywhere

I am going to be re-reading this monster...

[Razgriz]

I'll finish my analyasis l8er as I have to go play some hockey

[Razgriz]

Finishing my analyasis. Anyways, if there is a cop it would be wise to investigate me N1 and you shall see I have been telling teh truth. Don't like how you are hopping neil...

[Razgriz]

Going for the analyization again...

Same color as last time blah, blah, blah(Except that yellow is now neutral).

Ups

-Nothing Until Replacement Shows Up

Yeonit

-Neutral read. I can't get much on him. I don't feel he is scum, but he decided to pop up as soon as he got at L-2 which I find to scream lurker. He is decently active as of late, but like I said can't get much. Overall neutral.

Vinicius Chaim

-

Very

slight scum read. He is active, but isn't contributing too much. He seems to be semi-flying under the radar today. One thing:

Earlier it was for what I thought was mor eparanioa based off an RVS post. Which reminds me
UNVOTE: neil1113

wait, first he was your #1 scum, with your paranoia thing and accusing him of being scum almost every post you made, now, that guys are looking at me, saying I'm scum and so, you just unvote to try staying out of suspicious?
if it made me look scum, it also makes you look so
UNVOTE: neil

VOTE: Razgriz

What is your reasoning? If you noticed our arguement died down and I didn't see a reason. Can you please elaborate on that post?. Overall

very

slight scum read.

Olinea

-Getting a town read. I'm not looking at Spadille posts just at his. He is active, and is scumhunting which is good. He is making logical posts and contributing aswell to arguements and making his own arguements too. I don't have any scumtell as far as me can see. Overall town read.

neil1113

-Getting a town read. Although I had some reasons earlier, I can now see why he freaked out on the vote since he doesn't really start with RVS in his other games. So no paranioa(which is what me thought it waz) here. Anyways he is active, scumhunting, and contributing. Also he is making logical since and no scumtells. Overall town read.

nevermind (SE)

-Getting a slight town read. He is not very active as of late, but is at least keeping up and contributing and attempting to scumhunt.

nevermind can you post a full person analyasis?

Overall slight town read.

silverbullet999 (SE)

-Getting a town read off of him. He is active and he is contributing and scumhunting in this game, not much else to say except he hasn't really dropped scumtells and is firing off Q's to peeps left in right so good. Overall town read

Civil Scum (IC)

-Getting a town read. He is active and contributing and scumhunting. Also he hasn't dropped any scumtells.

Rank of Suspicion(least to greatest):

Civil Scum
Olinea
neil1113
silverbullet999

nevermind

Yeonit

Vinicius Chaim

Unkown:
Catterpillar

VOTE: Vinicius Chaim for above reasons

[Razgriz]

Chaim once again I don't see why my vote on neil should be there. I took it off because I no longer suspect him as scum. Is that a crime?

[Razgriz]

bird, your vote count is wrong, I'm not voting in 2 people at the same time...

Chaim can you answer my damn question?

[Razgriz]

Reading back you are right I did state that he was my #1.

However things have changed as you can see and he is no longer my #1 scum. I don't see your reasoning on voting me because I don't think there is a need for it. Like I have said I unvoted because of there being no need IMHO to keep it there

[Razgriz]

Scum radar:
1. Chaim
2. Idk

[Razgriz]

tries to get a (slip) copclaim from yoenit, maybe to kill him during night

You need to re-read that post. I thought that post meant he was saying he was a cop.

here's my top point, he makes that whole paranoia argument and, after much conversation, including personal attacks, he simply unvote, to get hidden in the dust...

Are you reading my reponses? I said that there is no need for the vote to be there. I unvoted because I no longer suspect him to be scum. Not because I felt like it, because I don't suspect him anymore.

he makes an analysis(too colorful, IMO) with 5 town reads and only one scum read, like "vote him, he's the scum, you're my townie friends!"

Wow 5 town reads becaue I don't see any scum play! Read my fucking posts!

he states his #1 suspect was silver, then almost swear that he never stated neil was his #1, and later, confess his #1 was actually neil...

Read my damn posts. At first I thought it was silver but then I re-read that post and realized that I did say neil was now #1.

gets stressed just because I didn't answer a question I didn't see, probably feeling uncomfortable because someone was seriously suspecting on him

1. Silver has done the same thing
2. I asked the question 5 times and you hadn't answered so come on why wouldn't I be pissed that you hadn't answered?

making a whole accusation with only one argument, paranoia, and then saw nobody bought his argument, then changed his target(again

As stated earlier we cleared the fact that what I took for paranioa was really his unfondness of RVS.

[Razgriz]

Chaim that i-....Oh wait CS is on the vote count already... Carry on

[Razgriz]

Just busy...

[Razgriz]

I'll have some theories and thoughts up tomorrow afternoon or tonight if I find time

[Razgriz]

unvote

vote: Raz

Fos: Olinea

Uh reasons?

[Razgriz]

Ok was that just a flip flop or did you take that off for some reasons you don't want to state?

[Razgriz]

I'm re-reading. I gotta clear my head out and see what I can find

[Razgriz]

Ok so this is turning out to be VERY intresting. Thoughts to come......later. Eating then getting stuff ready for hockey

[Razgriz]

No this is the first time I have said that this game. So don't try to make-up shit for your "case" against me.

Thoughts next post(Which should be in like 10 minutes)

[Razgriz]

nd I'd think if Raz flips scum I'd be the one in hot water, since I'm openly saying VC is scummier than Raz to me. If VC got lynched and flipped scum, you'd be in trouble, Civil.

Ladies and gentlemen, Civil appears to be claiming that he gets town reads from those who are voting Razgriz, such as silverbullet and neil. Now, if we take a look at his top suspects... oh! What is this?

Now this is an agreeable point. I didn't catch that, but that definately landed some scum points for CS in my Word Doc.

it's almost the 10th post Raz says he's preparing something...

Now looking at this, it seems that he is trying to make it

look

like VC is contributing, but right now it seems he is flying under the radar...

If Raz flips town, I've got some reading to do as well. I would be truly shocked though. As for Chaim, I'm not as convinced he's scum as I am Raz so if Chaim gets lynched and turns up town, I'm going to have a new respect for Civil.

Ok and now we ha-Hold the phone. Folks we interrupt this program to bring you some breaking news: Apparently I am a 100% lynch person and will be lynched later. I mean wtf...? What do you mean by that? Do you mean that you are 110% SURE that I will be lynched?

2) I had only accused raz till now cause he's the only "very" scum read by now( I have another two slight town read, maybe they get an analysis in this weekend[or not =P]) and I'm not experienced enough to read every "between lines" tells...

I wish you could provide evidence other than me unvoting on neil(Which I don't see how that is scummy) and the fact that I forgot I made neil my #1 earlier. Bottom line is he isn't my #1 anymore.

Also, Civil it'd be very unwise to not answer Yoenit's questions when Yoenit actually did bring up some excellent points.

Thowing this out there: Are you like trying to talk to a possible scumbuddy during the day so he doesn't weaken cases against innocents, or be accused himself anymore? Not accusing, just saying

[Razgriz]

Ah teh first quote wasn't sposed to be there.

Mod: Can you take that quote out? I thought I had deleted it from my post

[Razgriz]

Ok...I'm gonna
UNVOTE: VC for now...This arguement is becoming intresting

[Razgriz]

Ok....Very intresting....
First Civil flip flops on me and chaim, then just contradicts himself? I won't vote yet, but as soon as my homework is done I'll bring a case to the judge.

HOS: Civil Scum
Extremely minor FOS: Olinea

[Razgriz]

Thoughts on recent arguements...

um,

vote: VC

I still find him suspicious, and I'm not sure about razgriz.
Again, sorry for inactivity. I'll try to fix my lurking problem.

Ok I'll start with this since it was just posted.

Ok first he says he will fix his lurking problem. Good. I WOULD, however, like to see the reasoning on a seemingly random vote.

There would be no reason for me to have done this, unless I was scum with either you or Chaim. I hope that isn't lost on everyone.

Ok good response. I just don't like the fact that he contradicted himself earlier(the quote that Oli caught)

But I'll only stop scumhunting when I'm dead.

[offtopic]Sig'd[/offtopic]

Yoenit's argument is, "You're a scammer. You're running this little scam, plan thing of yours".

-I believe that Yoenit has good intentions and is genuine in his suspicion

. Which is why I replied, "You only think that I am scamming."

Civil you contradicted yourself AGAIN. In a nutshell you said Yeonit's arguement is shit, but then you say that his suspicion is genuine?

It makes me wonder if quite possibly, the town is going the completely wrong way and the REAL scum are just "passing" by.

Very nice, Neil. It is good to at least be aware

An agreeable point, but it looks like Civil is trying to buddy with neil. In fact he has in the past it looks like.

...then I'm in hot water, then he he really has something

Wait, so you WANT to be able to contribute to the town(Which don't get me wrong that is good), but don't ever want to have REAL evidence or close evidence? Or maybe even have someone accusing you? In other words you want to

fly under the radar?

unvote
vote: Raz
Fos: Olinea

I REALLY didn't like the sudden L-1 push up after he challenged Oli for putting VC at L-1, but then he turns around and does it to me. Horrible reasons on it too. "Well he is off and on scum in my mind." That IS NOT a reason to vote someone. End of story.

I think if VC flips town somehow then the scum are likely to be Olinea and Nevermind, possibly Yoenit.

Ok so you had just stated that VC was a top scum and then you say if he flips town Oli and nevermind are probably scum, and ironically they were both accusing you at the time.

Go Yoenit, Go for it!

Ok now this is just the stupidest thing ever. He ,after putting me at L-1 with horrible reasons, encourages someone to hammer without that L-1 person claiming.

Conclusion: VOTE: Civil Scum

[Razgriz]

And yet I am personally attacked for how I interpret this. I'm REALLY tired of getting attacked. If needed I will take it to VRK

[Razgriz]

I never said Yoenit's argument was shit either. Wrong, wrong, any sort of positive comment or agreement is buddying, wrong, wrong... etc...

No it is not wronng. You just want to make it look wrong so you don't have to answer them. I said on yeonit's arguement that IN A NUTSHELL that is what you said. Avoiding questions. My vote stands

[Razgriz]

Hmm. I have a case to build, that requires me to re-read this 22 page day 1 twice. This is gonna be a long night

[Razgriz]

I'm just going to bring another arguement before the court...

Accusation: Nevermind is not contributing much

Accuser: Razgriz

Arguement:

Nevermind is completely flying under the radar and not contributing.

Exhibit A:

Post #533

I explained my suspicions of you in an earlier post, but only fos'ed you since I didn't think it would be wise to put you at L-1. However, now that I think about it, it might not have been so bad. You might've thought you were lynched already, and tell us that you were scum as your bah post.
and what olinea said. you're not at L-2/whatever you thought you were at
my vote stands

Doesn't even make his own arguement, just piggybacks on oli's accusation and reasoning for his earlier VC vote.

Exhibit B:

Post #511

um, vote: VC
I still find him suspicious, and I'm not sure about razgriz.
Again, sorry for inactivity. I'll try to fix my lurking problem.

Doesn't even explain reasoning, just says that he finds him suspicious.

Exhibit C:

Post #463

I'm kinda confused. Can someone that's voting razgriz point out his important posts or summarize his actions, so I don't have to reread this whole thing again?

Once again no contribution and absolute lurking as you can see by post number distance.

Exhibit D:

Post #406

-"WHOAH NELLY!" Neil (If anyone get's where I got the whoah nelly... i'll love you. Hint it's during a race)

nelly furtado debut album!!!
Yeah I'm a big fan too

Total offtopic lurking, no contribution, and just lack of intrest in the game. I could go on, but ya know same thing repeatedly.

Conclusion:

Nevermind is 100% lurking, not contributing, and flying under the radar. These acts are not townie acts, and do not help. Civil and VC both look scummy right now, but I'm not ignoring this nevermind case. I move to pressure for a nevermind claim.
UNVOTE: Civil Scum
VOTE: nevermind

Nevermind, you have the right to remain silent, anything you say can, and will, be used in the court of law, you have the right...

[Razgriz]

Those were the past 4 posts of his

[Razgriz]

Yes the rights are a joke.

By flying under the radar I mean you are semi-lurking, not contributing much, and making short posts to not be noticed as lurking

[Razgriz]

I think it may be helpful to get a nevermind claim, as he hasn't been contributing, but as soon as I post something about him, he pops up and posts more than he has in a long time

[Razgriz]

Because it shows that you are actively lurking and trying to fly under the radar. You just suddenly pop up with more than you have posted after I accuse you and vote you

[Razgriz]

I'm not eager silver. I said it might be good to pressure someone who isn't helping or doing much, but then pops up as soon as a vote lands on him

[Razgriz]

The reasoning was also for that. Just because I want to pressure does not mean that was my reason. Read my post

[Razgriz]

It would be a no lynch I think...

[Razgriz]

Ya know what would be ironic...

[Razgriz]

VC, I think that quote of Oli's #576 was a joke...

[Razgriz]

Ok, this is the longest Day 1 I have had in pages, in the 17 games I've played.

Also, Civil, if we were the scum team this would probably be one of the most epic plays ever.

Ya know what would be ironic, is if you guys were the scum team and you posted that...

Also, Civil, if we were the scum team this would probably be one of the most epic plays ever.

HOW THE FUCK IS THIS AT ALL A PRO-TOWN STATEMENT?!

And everything you have posted is pro-town and no scumtells in it? Gimmie a break....

2. Is it considered bad sportsmanship to hammer yourself if you think it'll help the town? For example, if we're close to the deadline, and I've got 4 votes, would it be a... erm... "dick move" to hammer myself so on Day 2 there'd be a 2/7 chance of finding scum rather than 2/8?

self attacking?
"I'm gonna kill myself, I'm inocent, but I'm tired of being accused"
come on, I can't understand how you'd be townie after all...

I think he wasn't saying "I give up" just that would it help the town's chances on catching scum

[Razgriz]

-Raz

And everything you have posted is pro-town and no scumtells in it? Gimmie a break....

Way to completely ignore the point i made when Civil asked me about this. GG Raz, you never fail me.

I saw your post on that silver, but I don't see how that is much different then what he posted....

Wait a second...

[Razgriz]

Silver, how're those 6 reads coming along?

Whoops slipped my mind , here's everyone.

Olinea : overconfident scum
nevermind : leaning slightly town
Vinicius Chaim : slight scum
neil1113 : town
Catterpillar : neutral
Yoenit : neutral
Civil Scum : town
Razgriz : scum

And where are the reasons?

[Razgriz]

congratz yoenit, you defended your scumpartnet pretty well...

so, Olinea, the 4 guys not voting you are TOWN reads? come on! this seems just like "I think you're town, vote for somebody!"

I think we weren't fighting against good scums, just being blind

VC you know you HAVE been jumping on bandwagons and piggybacking on people's reasoning....
Intresting

[Razgriz]

Alright, going over VC's posts, he has earned enough scumpoints for this:
UNVOTE: nevermind
VOTE: Vinicius Chaim
Claim in order?

[Razgriz]

Yes I know I put him at L-1. The reason he got scumpoints is because, he has bandwagoned all day, has piggybacked on other reasoning, and hasn't really scumhunted much at all. He just says "I agree" and votes.
Points Gained:
Bandwagoning: +10
Piggybacking: +15
Not much scumhunting: +10
Total: 35

My point list:
Town: 0-6
Slight Town: 7-13
Neutral: 14-20
Slight Scum: 21-27
Scum: 28+

[Razgriz]

orry, but uh, what does iso stand for?

[Razgriz]

From the wiki:

To read in Isolation. You can view one person's posts "in Isolation" by using the "Display posts from previous" drop down boxes at the bottom of every page.

Ok, thanks

1) every bandwagon I joined I had a reason(raz, my biggest post; yoenit, lurking[unvoted soon];Olinea, I already said) but you guys prefer to understand like reason a wall of text, with many words just to say one thing I say in 4 lines...

Not on everyone. I've seen the bandwagon posts and some of them weren't reasoning

2)my newbish will kill me, what is piggyback?

When you post, I agree, or just vote and say "What he said" or something close to that

3) I can't see evidences everywhere, like more experienced people do, like civil, neil or you. but did you realize, Razgriz, that you hadn't scum hunted much also yet?

WHAT????? Have you not been reading my posts or anything? Because, I have been scumhunting alot

[Razgriz]

WHAT????? Have you not been reading my posts or anything? Because, I have been scumhunting alot

Imo, this is a strange ass comment to say to the person you're trying to lynch.

He voted Neil (1st most widely suspected person on D-1), then was on the VC wagon, then voted for my wagon, then voted for Olinea. The only wagon Raz hasn't been on was his own.

When was I voting for oli?

[Razgriz]

WHAT????? Have you not been reading my posts or anything? Because, I have been scumhunting alot

Imo, this is a strange ass comment to say to the person you're trying to lynch.

He voted Neil (1st most widely suspected person on D-1), then was on the VC wagon, then voted for my wagon, then voted for Olinea. The only wagon Raz hasn't been on was his own.

Let' see. I put the first vote on neil and on VC. Now the only one that you can even think is bandwagoning is CS's. Although each time I gave my reasons for voting, so don't act like it was true bandwagoning on any of them, especially when I put the first vote on some of them

[Razgriz]

-Raz
You are truly going to make me cry if you keep avoiding my questions.
It hurts my feelings! >:O

Wait what? What questions?

[Razgriz]

-Razzy boy

WHAT????? Have you not been reading my posts or anything? Because, I have been scumhunting alot

Quotes ahora.

Quotes something...I can't find any english translations of it
ahora....
Quotes now? You want the scumhunting quotes? Can't you go to the bottom and do the find all user posts thing?

[Razgriz]

I laughed from catter and civi arguement heh.

-Gluttonous raz

Quotes now? You want the scumhunting quotes? Can't you go to the bottom and do the find all user posts thing?

Yes sorry it does mean quotes now (I'll refrain from using my very limited knowledge of spanish from now on lol). Yes I want the scumhunting quotes. Can't you do the same thing?

*sigh* Excuse me for a moment or three

[Razgriz]

Vanilla Doctor? You mean Doctor right?

[Razgriz]

If he survives the night then....well I have a feeling he may be scum

[Razgriz]

No, I'm just saying there is a good chance. More than likely you are town though, and scum will try to WIFOM.

And, I'm not sure if this is the best choice, but I believe VC's claim.
I swear I got a bad feeling about this...
UNVOTE: VC
VOTE: Olinea for his intent to self-hammer...

[Razgriz]

When did I ask for everyone to claim neil? I asked for a VC claim since he was L-1. Now you have held this shit grudge on me since day 1 vote, and I am not supirsed with the vote. However, I voted with all honesty. I had the total intent to hammer him after VC claimed, and Oli was gonna self-hammer. You my friend are stretching for facts. Also,

V/LA till Late Sunday early Monday

[Razgriz]

Wtf, I get L-1 when I am V/LA? Wows. Excuse me while I re-read

[Razgriz]

First

Civil makes sense, I finally understand.

You didn't even give reasons or an arguement, just piggybacked and bandwagoned with his scumbuddy perhaps?
Moving on,

Razgriz: Can you explain why you had a "bad feeling" as you went to hammer Olinea?

Yez I can.
I had a bad feeling, because, although he intented to self hammer (>_>) I didn't have the overall gut feeling that he was scum and I wasn't totally sure that he was, but his lynch was inevitable.

I realized now in rereading that section, that the reason Raz got so worked up over it, was because it was such a ridiculous, terrible, outlandish, unbelievable point, but Neil was right and had him pegged. That's why it bothered him so much, and why he had scuk a vigorous reaction to it.

Wow. I bet that you decided to try this overnight in the game to make sure that the town would mislynch again. Townspeeps if you read this than you should realize that Civil Scum has been manipulating the town this WHOLE TIME and caused the mislynch of Oli. Oli flipped town and Civil pushed HARD for his lynch. Guess what ladies and gents of this fair town, Civil made us mislynch and manipulate us beyond belief, further more he was the one leading Oli's lynch and Oli flipped town so that means Civil was able to rid of his BIGGEST opponent.
VOTE: Civil Scum

[Razgriz]

If you think it's obvious that I "manipulated the town into that lynch", why'd you wait until now to suddenly say that?

Because I realized that when I read your post that I quoted from, not during the lunch/lynch/hanging/umm whatever makes you happy.

Civil made us mislynch and manipulate us beyond belief... further more he was the one leading Oli's lynch and Oli flipped town so that means Civil was able to rid of his BIGGEST opponent.

First, Raz, you did hammer, so you also made us mislynch. And for the record, long before the lynch, Olinea said he was practically convinced that I was a townie.

Yes, I did hammer, because his lynch seemed inevitable, and it turns out it helped catch scum likes you. So what if he said that? You still pushed hard as hell for his lynch. I'm suprised I didn't catch it sooner, but hey I caught it now

[Razgriz]

No Civil, I never caught it until you made that post. Stop twisting my words around

[Razgriz]

I'm sorry for your loss...damnit...

[Razgriz]

Mod: I voted Civil

Fixed.

[Razgriz]

Yeah, and civil is scum manipulating the town, but no one listens when they are being manipulated

[Razgriz]

Well, I'm a VT and yeah that be it. Not much else since I'm SoL. Mark my words Civil is literally scum

[Razgriz]

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is being stupid, but oh well. I may self-hammer cause of this soon because of the town's weakness to be manipulated.

Well, I'm a VT and yeah that be it. Not much else since I'm SoL. Mark my words Civil is literally scum

Why are you always to eager to claim/have others claim?

I'm not eager to claim or have others. I ask for them to claim at L-1 not before or after unless we are massclaiming

(And how could you be figuratively scum?)

Well, I'm not sure what you are asking

[Razgriz]

Thanks Silver.

I really don't have anything to say towards this game right now. I don't see anyone worthy of a lynch anymore than Raz. Which reminds me:

Raz, if Civil is manipulating me, why was I the first (I believe) to question you and place my vote on you from the very beginning? Other than any RVS votes that may have been placed on you.

Now you probably not, others yes.

[Razgriz]

No I'm vanilla, Civil is mafia goon. A joke yeah, but I'm 100% sure Civil is Scum

[Razgriz]

No, or else I would've just said that, I'm a VT, but I am 100% sure that you are manipulating scum. Have a nice day

[Razgriz]

If I was cop wouldn't I claim if I was at L-1?

[Razgriz]

There is one problem, I am about to leave for hockey, and I am

V/LA until the 10th

cause of fall break