Crackers! Mafia -- Game Over. See page 50

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Battle Mage

Had to get in there first for this.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Bm self votes?

ha.

good line up

vote Korts

...too many games with you

I think you're the only guy here who will understand the reasoning behind it.

Enough foolishness.

Unvote, Vote: Yosarian2

I'm in too many games with you.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Guardian

.

Am pretty sure he knows why.

Nice to see Raging Rabbit again. I figured you were a done deal after that fiasco between you and Twito.

rofl, i remember that. *cries for Twito* :'(

Unvote, Vote: RR

BM

[Battle Mage]

Here's to a very good game. Here's to drinking the wine in front of us.

I lol'd.

Unvote, Vote: Korts

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, you're making an awful lot of votes. Why not do a whole round?

Good defence!

Unvote

Also, i just realised i screwed up my first vote. I was MEANT to

Vote: No Lynch

BM

[Battle Mage]

I want to poke CKD.

vote: CKD

take a number.

I think you're the only guy here who will understand the reasoning behind it.

I get it, on a similiar note, I was actually going to vote No lynch at first to test a theory.

Lol, thats what i was MEANT to do!
^5!

BM

[Battle Mage]

rofl. He's consistent, that's for sure.

Unvote, Vote: Sensfan

Maybe now he might be doubly inclined to explain his logic.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote BM

for backing off a selfvote.

what does that mean exactly? xD

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ah, BM, you make me giggle inside, of course, so does midget porn.

I'm pretty sure you're town at this point. But that doesnt mean i won't ring the police if i catch you abusing midgets.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Voting yourself is kinda like saying "screw useless random votes, I'll start with voting myself for kicks and giggles." Then several joke posts after you switch to obsessive random voting. Doesn't mean much because the self-vote was apparantly a mistake and this being you an' all, but then again you did cry for Twito.

Lol, i dont think that is a reason against self-voting in the early stages. It is just as likely (in fact, moreso) to promote discussion than voting for an individual. Yeh the self-vote was a mistake, but the premise is kinda the same. It's a vote which doesnt affiliate me to anyone directly, but indirectly is far more useful than a random vote.

Twito was a legend. Face facts.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Voting yourself is kinda like saying "screw useless random votes, I'll start with voting myself for kicks and giggles." Then several joke posts after you switch to obsessive random voting. Doesn't mean much because the self-vote was apparantly a mistake and this being you an' all, but then again you did cry for Twito.

I am pretty sure he meant to vote no lynch..I will vouch for that much...if you question why I quick meta will answer your question

*points at the rules*

Dont worry, it's really not necessary to back me up atm.

BM

[Battle Mage]

unvote, vote: BM

For two consecutive posts without a vote. Shame on you.

lol How's this?

Unvote, Vote: Korts

Unvote, Vote: Korts

Unvote, Vote: Korts

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ah, BM, you make me giggle inside, of course, so does midget porn.

I'm pretty sure you're town at this point.

How solid a read do you have at this point?

What do you mean?

Unvote, Vote: Roflcopter

(Lurkers will be persecuted)

BM

[Battle Mage]

*points at the rules*

Adel is a stickler for this if I remember right..sorry mod.

since I wasnt talking about a particular game (mostly just pointing in a general direction) i dont think she will mind..but will let it drop anyway (just in case)...

I appreciate the thought. Maybe save it for when it's absolutely necessary?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Voting yourself is kinda like saying "screw useless random votes, I'll start with voting myself for kicks and giggles." Then several joke posts after you switch to obsessive random voting. Doesn't mean much because the self-vote was apparantly a mistake and this being you an' all, but then again you did cry for Twito.

Lol, i dont think that is a reason against self-voting in the early stages. It is just as likely (in fact, moreso) to promote discussion than voting for an individual. Yeh the self-vote was a mistake, but the premise is kinda the same. It's a vote which doesnt affiliate me to anyone directly, but indirectly is far more useful than a random vote.

Twito was a legend. Face facts.

BM

Doesn't yield the same sort of information, and from my experience the discussion it creates revolves strictly around theory and meta and doesn't have much to do with the game.

I'd consider your experience limited then. Obviously it derives from game theory, but anything that encourages people to take sides, is invaluable at this stage in a game.

Also, you're buddying up to midgets.

That isnt conclusive unless somebody claims midget, and/or you can prove that midgets are scum.

I'm not letting this deteriorate into a Twito discussion, you can keep crying your eyes out as far as I'm concerned.

Twito Rules!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ah, BM, you make me giggle inside, of course, so does midget porn.

I'm pretty sure you're town at this point.

How solid a read do you have at this point?

What do you mean?

You know what, never mind.

right... :S

That isnt conclusive unless somebody claims midget, and/or you can prove that midgets are scum.

Lolwut? Midgets are obvious pro-town.

So how is defending them more scummy than abusing them?

BM

[Battle Mage]

right... :S

I just realized I was potentially rolefishing.

Can't have that!

Go on- if you have a question, shoot.

So how is defending them more scummy than abusing them?

Who's talking about abusing them?

I believe it was CKD.

BM

[Battle Mage]

unvote, vote: BM

For two consecutive posts without a vote. Shame on you.

Good catch, but I'm already voting for his buddy, Kison.

Damn. Well, at least you'll never find out who my other buddy is!

*cough*Sensfan*cough*

BM

[Battle Mage]

empirical evidence shows that if korts and i are in the same game, he is always scum

vote korts

who's twito? [/worthless newb]

Unvote, Vote: Korts

I trust your judgement. Bandwagon time!

Twito was one of the great prolific players on MS when i joined the site, along with people like Zindaras, Spectrumvoid, and The Central Scrutinizer.

BM

[Battle Mage]

*cough*Sensfan*cough*

BM

Liar, Kison was bus'ing Guardian.

DGB...not every scum interaction is bussing. You shouldn't fall into every trap scumbags lay for you.

BM

[Battle Mage]

sorry, i'm gonna be V/LA for the next 17 hours.

BM

[Battle Mage]

right... :S

I just realized I was potentially rolefishing.

Can't have that!

Go on- if you have a question, shoot.

Nah. I wanted to ask whether you were joking when you said CKD was town or you did have an actual town read on him, but I realized that a) that's rolefishing to some extent, and b) you were probably joking anyway.

Actually both are wrong. But i have a town read on him based on a meta i can't reference, so it isn't of great value to the game at this point.

So how is defending them more scummy than abusing them?

Who's talking about abusing them?

I believe it was CKD.

BM

He only said something about enjoying midget porn. I don't think that's abuse. Heck, they're probably enjoying themselves.

From what i hear, the adult entertainment industry is not an entirely honest one for it's employees.

rofl, the only thing you're leaving out is the new C9. Flipped doc. You just didn't stay all the way through. Will I always have to tell you this?

what? :S

sorry, i'm gonna be V/LA for the next 17 hours.

BM

Quick, everyone start spamming! My goal is page forty by the time BM returns

Well, you more than doubled the length of the game. That's not a bad achievement

BM

[Battle Mage]

Kison, why go along with the joke that you are busing me?

BM, why change your vote every other post?

vote: Kison

The original idea was to build a meta, but with hindsight, that meta is a scum one.

BM

[Battle Mage]

This game looks set to be great. The list of players is absolutely brilliant.

Doesn't yield the same sort of information, and from my experience the discussion it creates revolves strictly around theory and meta and doesn't have much to do with the game. I'm not letting this deteriorate into a Twito discussion, you can keep crying your eyes out as far as I'm concerned. Also, you're buddying up to midgets.

Vote: Vollkan

Four questions:
1) What "sort of information" does a non-self random vote yield?
2) Can you see any inherent game value in having a theory debate early on?
3) Based on your answers to 1) and 2), do you think self-voting in the random stage can be a reasonable course of conduct?
4) Was your post that I quote above at all influenced by meta actions of myself?

@CKD- We have another one. rofl

BM

[Battle Mage]

Clearly I need to get rid of the cat.

What does this mean?

Didn't you hear? Anyone with a cat in their avatar is Scum.

I'm also curious about this.

BM

[Battle Mage]

yeah i'm a person not an expression of mildly amused dismissal. though sometimes i'm that too.

there's nothing mild about 'rofl'!

fair nuff

out of curiousity, who do you think is the most pro town at this moment

you me after me?

ROFL.

vollkan...

but he always looks town to me.

That's funny. In my experience, he is always the GF.

BM

[Battle Mage]

unvote, vote: BM

For two consecutive posts without a vote. Shame on you.

Good catch, but I'm already voting for his buddy, Kison.

Damn. Well, at least you'll never find out who my other buddy is!

*cough*Sensfan*cough*

BM

What's with the WIFOM?

FOS: Battle Mage

This is the first FOS I've pointed in about 12 months. Consider it seriously hardcore.

I dont really see your issue here. Certainly nothing that would warrant a 'hardcore FoS' (damn, dont see those words together often enough!)

Ftr, i was responding to a joke by DGB, in a similarly jokey fashion. I fail to see how you could be suspicious on me because i claimed scum in a really WIFOMy way.

Unvote, Vote: Destructor

[Battle Mage]

unvote, vote: ckd

scum hate it so much when town starts clearing other town, it makes it so much harder to get mislynches

This is actually a very good point. If DGB wasnt a professional bser, and CKD strongly protown, i might be tempted to follow you.

BM

[Battle Mage]

DGB said rofl and I are 100% town, which seems a bigger statement than rofl ever made. I'm wondering why ckd and Kison are making rofl the bigger deal here and in fact saying nothing about DGB at all.

DGB is trying desperately to play to a meta.

In fact, I'm starting to feel DGB is being an intentional distraction while scum-Yos lurks away.

Unvote, Vote: DGB

quadruple post

good lad!

BM

[Battle Mage]

I dont really see your issue here. Certainly nothing that would warrant a 'hardcore FoS' (damn, dont see those words together often enough!)

Ftr, i was responding to a joke by DGB, in a similarly jokey fashion. I fail to see how you could be suspicious on me because i claimed scum in a really WIFOMy way.

Unvote, Vote: Destructor

That's a BS reason for voting. Not realizing something is a joke or not appreciating jokes about who your scumbuddy is is in no way a scummy thing.

He tried to place suspicion on me because of something that didnt warrant it. If my reason is BS, it's because it's a direct response to the original BS-which was his, btw.

BM

[Battle Mage]

i don't see why not

i agree with the ROFLCOPTER!!!!

FoS: Sensfan

Poor reason to defend CKD.

BM

[Battle Mage]

It's a vote which doesnt affiliate me to anyone directly, but indirectly is far more useful than a random vote.

So you voted yourself so that you aren't connected with anyone, am I correct? If so, explain why you should be bothered with being connected with anyone.

Kind of. The point was, a vote which doesnt directly connect you to anyone, DOES in fact connect you to people, when they respond to what is seen as a controversial thing. That's just how i roll.

Perhaps offtopic, but I've seen Twito now several times.

*shrug*
I thought he was banned?

Quick, everyone start spamming! My goal is page forty by the time BM returns

But that would have resulted into a 40-page game read for me and some others as well. You're mean.

Yeh, he's a mean MEAN scumbag alright!

Unvote, Vote: Korts

Let's burn him!

This is the first FOS I've pointed in about 12 months. Consider it seriously hardcore.

. You're a goner now BM as Des gave you... a FoS.

*screams*
Damnit you're right!
Consider it my last will and testament that you string up that dirty scumbag

Yosarian2

!

Why do you FoS Battle Mage for this comment, but not FoS me for this one

Why did you want to know this?

Because it's a valid inconsistency?

BM

[Battle Mage]

He tried to place suspicion on me because of something that didnt warrant it. If my reason is BS, it's because it's a direct response to the original BS-which was his, btw.

BM

Well, if he didn't realize it was a joke in the first place, I don't see how it's BS.

How the hell could he not realise it was a joke? You have to be kidding me!

Also, would you mind not selectively quoting? It's not necessary atm, and makes me do more reading than i want to.

BM

[Battle Mage]

oh yeah i almost forgot about bm's conviction that ckd is protown

ckd, kison: how does bm's declaration that ckd is protown differ from my own about des, and why has it gone ignored by you two up to this point?

Can you please clarify WHY you think Des is protown? Because from where i'm sat, the reason it's different is- you dont have any reasoning for it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

He tried to place suspicion on me because of something that didnt warrant it. If my reason is BS, it's because it's a direct response to the original BS-which was his, btw.

BM

Well, if he didn't realize it was a joke in the first place, I don't see how it's BS.

How the hell could he not realise it was a joke? You have to be kidding me!

ű

I just don't see it as an action that inherently benefits scum and makes sense only from that viewpoint.

Well, you should bear in mind, the random stage isn't really over yet. I dont think everybody has confirmed-certainly not all have made themselves present. That said, spreading bs is scummy.

BM

[Battle Mage]

DGB is trying desperately to play to a meta.

In fact, I'm starting to feel DGB is being an intentional distraction while scum-Yos lurks away.

Unvote, Vote: DGB

Seriously, BM, are you doing this purposely? This vote is even less justified.

it's just a gut/vibe thing. Plus she's getting on my nerves.

Anyway, it's good to get all your votes down on record.

Unvote, Vote: Korts

That said, i feel a stronger vibe for Korts-scum here.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I can think of one, its ongoing, but i might be able to reference it if necessary. I'd need to check the rules again.

BM

[Battle Mage]

DGB will be completely unreadable this game. Mark my words.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, why do you think DGB will be unreadable?

Because she's being deliberately stupid, so we can't take anything she says seriously, and cant assess whether she is scum or not. You could say everything she's done so far is scummy, but this is DGB. It's the way she is, and she's playing upto her meta here.

Why are you continuing to promote this meta of vote hopping if it is a scummy meta?

I've only done it once, and i was scum in that game. But, it was a long time ago, and i've found that making votes early on can help you when you read back when the game is 60 pages long (day 2).
Also, it's funny to prove idiots wrong. Random voting is no more informative or protown than self-voting/voting No Lynch.

Scummy things are generally scummy because they are unhelpful to town -- if you acknowledge that constantly moving your votes is scummy, e.g. unhelpful, why continue to do so?

It's scummy in a meta sense, but it's not unhelpful. In game terms, it's a null tell, but for me, it will be helpful later when i need to remember who needs examining again, and if you're one of the people who thinks random voting is a great way to find ties between people, i'm leaving myself wide open to be analysed, which seems fairly helpful to the town too.

Self voting is scummy -- it robs town of information. I am disappointed in vollkan especially for this -- I've always looked at his play as logical and very helpful to town. I find his choice to self vote and rob the town of information suspicious and out of character, especially considering I think that others self-voting probably impacted his decision to do so.

This is entirely wrong. But then, you havent thought it through, which saddens me. You think self-voting is scummy, because it robs the town of information. BUT IT DOESNT! Because by self-voting, you gain valuable information and reactions from other players. I've actually realised that an early self-vote is the most protown play for someone.

This is supposed to be such a stellar cast -- we seem to have largely spam'd/noise'd our way to page 8 in two days. Short page lengths are better for towns -- in reality, people are not going to re-read 40 page day ones as well as they read 15 page day ones.

I disagree. As scum i hate to reread, because finding scum doesnt directly fulfill my win condition. As town i will reread and analyse, because it's the name of the game for me.

BM you need to re-read the thread and come up with something logical, and stop the knee-jerk voting reactions that seem to come three times a page.

No i don't. YOU need to think before you speak, and maybe you won't look silly on things that are fairly basic.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Reading over the thread again, there are two quick things I'd like to say.

If, after considering whether you truly think the case on CKD is good, you still think it is, keep going for it. I do not want us to waste time, but I just remembered the plethora of reasons I refuse to defend people -- I am not going to defend him by saying why I think the points against him are weak, that is up to him.

I think destructor is townish, but I have been wrong and been burned too many times to say "obviously town." I already decided I am going to keep my eyes on him today, and not let my initial read blind me. I suggest everyone does the same with all players.

Unvote, Vote: Guardian

Being afraid of looking scummy, even if its a result of doing something protown, is a scumtell.

BM

[Battle Mage]

mod, please prod yosarian2

he hasn't posted at all

Unvote, Vote: Yosarian

He's posting actively elsewhere. I know if Yos was here, he'd want us to string up a lurker. If he does show up, i wholeheartedly expect him to self-vote.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, I know you said it jokingly. I'm repeating myself here. You got the FOS for implicating Sens. Kison played along with DBG based on interaction that already existed. You specifically bought SensFan into it for no reason I can understand. What was the point of that?

He was a name i could remember was in the game, that i hadnt mentioned yet? I dont know. It's called the RANDOM voting stage for a reason.

@Kison-ive already explained my stance on CKD at least twice.

@Des- same applies to you. It'd be nice if you read some of my posts, before asking me questions that i've already answered.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@Korts, Roflcopter - Why arent you voting for Yosarian2? What is your view of his lurking here?

BM

[Battle Mage]

well, he hasnt been prodded, and he picked up his pm, so i fail to see why he wouldnt.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I don't follow your logic. He hasn't been prodded because it hasn't been 72 hours since the game started. I'll wait for the first prod to see whether his lurking is intentional.

I dont see why he wouldnt be prodded if the Mod felt he genuinely hadnt been made aware that the game had started. Is he the only offender?

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, I fundamentally disagree that your vote hopping is helpful. By over-voting your rob your votes of any meaning. They do not express who you are most suspicious of, they do not intimidate those who you are voting, etc. When you just voted me, I thought to myself "oh well, but he will probably change that in a few pages." It took exactly one post :\. Your votes are meaningless if you continue in this fashion.

This is a stance i can appreciate, but you are still FUNDAMENTALLY wrong. By 'overvoting' as you call it, my vote no longer represents anything YOU want it to, it represents what I want it to. It represents suspicion against someone. A vote cast at this stage shouldnt be immovable-i want to be able to look back at my votes, and get a good idea of who has been the scummiest in the game. My votes carry a significance, but you have to consider them ALL together, whereas you seem to want to draw conclusions from a very small minority of them.

As for "we cannot take anything DGB says seriously..." I fundamentally disagree with that as well. Contrary to popular opinion, I think DGB is always serious. She just uses apparent humor to get things done her way. I was converted to this line of thinking after playing with her in mith's California game #2 and mod-ing her in iPick. She's fun -- but we can look at her play and see motive, logic, etc. there.

Right. So you're saying DGB genuinely believes that the people she has named as scum are scum, and those she has named as town are town? I think not. She lies constantly, and unless she starts playing the game honestly, she is completely unreadable, because we cant use interactions or lies as scumtells, because they are all tongue in cheek. You cannot apply normal scumtells to DGB.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also, i'll give Korts the benefit of the doubt.

Unvote, Vote: Guardian

BM

[Battle Mage]

If DGB is not playing honestly, what makes you think she would be honest enough to tell you this? *facepalm*
Nobody said we give DGB a free-pass. Nobody even said she had a scummy meta. She simply has a 'useless' meta. What i've learnt from playing with DGB lately, is that ignoring her is by far the best policy. If there's enough interest, and nobody better, we can string her up. But in the meantime, she's just background noise. What concerns me is, people who dont know her, might think she is being serious, and then we get the next generation of Goofballs.

I disagree entirely with your view on meta, but as you misread me completely, it really doesnt matter. If you want to talk mafia theory with me, send me a pm.

In the meantime, you're flailing. I'm happy to see you put under some heat.

BM

[Battle Mage]

oh, also add

sensfan?

to the bottom of that list. i almost forgot he was even in the game he's added so little

I thought you didnt want to go on a lurkerhunt?

BM

[Battle Mage]

What makes you read DGB as pro town?

The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.

2 words. NULL. TELL.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM - your votes don't mean whatever you want them to, at this point they represent more or less nothing. I'm actually more interested in who you

didn't

yet vote for.

Surely that in itself gives my votes significance?

And ftr, my votes do mean whatever i want them to, TO ME. Why would i care what significance you place upon my votes?

BM

[Battle Mage]

oh, also add

sensfan?

to the bottom of that list. i almost forgot he was even in the game he's added so little

I thought you didnt want to go on a lurkerhunt?

BM

i don't, and i'm not, but what he

has

added has been scummy. but well done defending him by trying to undermine the validity of my calling him scummy. thats pretty damn scummy in itself on your part.

bmscum exponentially increases the chances of sensfanscum, and vice versa

Lol, CALM DOWN DEAR!
You said you didnt want to string up a lurker because you already had a good suspect. Then you suggest a lurker, and offer no reasoning other than 'hes a lurker'. What else do you expect me to think?

Unvote, Vote: Roflcopter

You seem panicked.

BM

[Battle Mage]

What makes you read DGB as pro town?

The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.

2 words. NULL. TELL.

BM

god, i keep pointing out how much scum love to try and undermine other peoples' town reads, and they just keep doing it anyway. it makes them so obvious.

vote stands. I'm sorry if you resent the fact that i'll pick apart BS when i see it. Actually, i'm not. And i dont suppose you were one of the people who questionned my town read on CKD?

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, stop living up to your title.

Only if you stop living up to yours! roflmao!

Unvote, Vote: Elmo

BM

[Battle Mage]

What makes you read DGB as pro town?

The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.

2 words. NULL. TELL.

BM

It's all about motives.

please continue.

BM

[Battle Mage]

oh, also add

sensfan?

to the bottom of that list. i almost forgot he was even in the game he's added so little

I thought you didnt want to go on a lurkerhunt?

BM

i don't, and i'm not, but what he

has

added has been scummy. but well done defending him by trying to undermine the validity of my calling him scummy. thats pretty damn scummy in itself on your part.

bmscum exponentially increases the chances of sensfanscum, and vice versa

Lol, CALM DOWN DEAR!
You said you didnt want to string up a lurker because you already had a good suspect. Then you suggest a lurker, and offer no reasoning other than 'hes a lurker'. What else do you expect me to think?

Unvote, Vote: Roflcopter

You seem panicked.

BM

you seem to be the one who is panicking, chainsaw defending sens against a suspicion that didn't even come with a vote attached.

Apparently the suspicion came without a suspicion attached. lol

Votes are over-rated.

Unvote, Vote: Roflcopter

[Battle Mage]

What makes you read DGB as pro town?

The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.

2 words. NULL. TELL.

BM

god, i keep pointing out how much scum love to try and undermine other peoples' town reads, and they just keep doing it anyway. it makes them so obvious.

vote stands. I'm sorry if you resent the fact that i'll pick apart BS when i see it. Actually, i'm not. And i dont suppose you were one of the people who questionned my town read on CKD?

BM

i disagree with your town read on ckd, but i didn't try to call into question your reasons for believing ckd to be town, as you're doing with korts' reasons for believing dgb is town.

because his reasons are wrong. Imo, he is wrong. If Player A says Player B is town with no valid reasoning, I'll attack Player A for it. Town should try and be honest, and not allow the game to be swamped by bs.

Do you feel it is protown to ban honest criticism?

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, stop living up to your title.

literally minutes ago you gave BM an X on my scum list, as in "you are incorrect about BM being scum."

If i'm a Jester, i'm not scum. But yes, i am a little curious as to how Elmo knows that me and Guardian are town.

BM

[Battle Mage]

i don't think your criticism was either honest or correct

then you should be voting for me. And rather than bitching about the fact i made a criticism, you should bitch about the fact it was invalid. THEN you might be taken seriously by people. (not me though. )

BM

[Battle Mage]

Let me clarify, then, BM. DGB's actions (other than the slight but very obvious buddying up to rofl and des) have been pro-town because she actively pursued her suspicions, which is something that I'd expect at this game state from a pro-town player trying to get a rise out of scum.

the alternative being? You think as scum, DGB would claim a list of scumbags and not pursue them?

BM

[Battle Mage]

stop trying to get my vote off your scumpartner ckd

Confirm Vote: Roflcopter

BM

[Battle Mage]

getting slammed right now at work..hoping to get to this thread in the next 1-2 days...only have time for a line or two...

Lol, its amazing you have time to get any work done, with all the shenanigans you guys seem to get upto.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM seems meta-townish.

define meta-townish. because it sounds mostly like an excuse for you to ignore whatever scummy things bm does.

criticising someone's protown suspicions? lawl

Unvote, Vote: Roflcopter

BM

[Battle Mage]

i should also point out that you appear to have the preconception that i am going to do scummy things. I find it hard to believe that an open minded townie would have that approach.

BM

[Battle Mage]

i should also point out that you appear to have the preconception that i am going to do scummy things. I find it hard to believe that an open minded townie would have that approach.

BM

you are really good at framing your statements in such a way that they sound really damning without having actually proven anything.

i had no preconceptions about you or anyone else coming into this game. i am observing in the process of doing scummy things here.

then why have you assumed that i will behave in a scummy way? Tunnel vision much?

BM

[Battle Mage]

it sounds mostly like an excuse for you to ignore whatever scummy things bm does.

[Battle Mage]

as in, he's ignoring all of the scummy things you've done, by saying he has a "meta-town" read on you

That's not necessarily the case atall.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Tunnel vision much?

wouldn't that require me to be voting you and not voicing my suspicions of a number of other players concurrently? do you think before you accuse me of things?

It wouldnt. You're tunnel-visioning me in the sense that you have the aforementioned preconception that i will behave (and have already behaved) in a scummy fashion. It smells like you are planning to set me up at a later stage. Either that, or you are tunnel-visioning me now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Tunnel vision much?

wouldn't that require me to be voting you and not voicing my suspicions of a number of other players concurrently? do you think before you accuse me of things?

It wouldnt. You're tunnel-visioning me in the sense that you have the aforementioned preconception that i will behave (and have already behaved) in a scummy fashion. It smells like you are planning to set me up at a later stage. Either that, or you are tunnel-visioning me now.

BM

This is so much BS. Why would it be a preconception to think you have already behaved in a scummy fashion? For that matter, I don't gather how you decided rofl was assuming you were gonna be scummy instead of having already seen you be scummy.

Yeh sorry, poor wording there on my part. Ignore that. -.-
Regarding your second point, from his comments, it's fairly clear that he meant i was going to look scummy in the future.

BM

[Battle Mage]

you must be the one with the guilty conscience, bm, because i was referring to how scummy you had already looked, not how scummy you'd look in the future. but you're doing a great job of continuing to look scummy. carry on.

"whatever scummy things bm does."

That's not the past tense, dumbass.

Why havent you put your money where your mouth is yet? You seem awfully confident that i'm scum. Dont you want to commit yourself too early?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Huh, no posting for 12 hours. Unprecedented in this game.

What makes you read DGB as pro town?

The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.

2 words. NULL. TELL.

BM

It's all about motives.

please continue.

BM

Ok, let me elaborate on that gut feel after all. DGBscum doesn't have any motive to be elbows deep in shit while she mimes scumhunting. DGB's actions so far have been pro-town, therefore I have no reason to suspect her. Why are you trying to dig any deeper when what we're discussing is a

town

read on someone? I'm thinking rofl has a point here; you are either trying to dissuade me from my read on DGB because you don't like town eliminating other town as suspects, or the other possibility, you are trying to figure out how to appear more pro-town in my eyes (although this second possibility assumes that you give a shit about my opinion).

You're a competent player, but i dont think i've ever seen you as town. From my PoV, you are playing to your scum meta here (obv) so your opinion isnt my top priority.
The reason im criticising your town read of DGB, is that i'm trying to use my meta experience with DGB in order to assess what is protown and scummy for her. She does this alot (although i cant recall a game as mafia to use as a balance example).

Ftr, i think scum only fear townies eliminating each other as suspects if they fear there is some substance in the eliminations. As there hasnt been for the most part so far, i think you might be jumping at shadows.

<snip>

you seem to be the one who is panicking, chainsaw defending sens against a suspicion that didn't even come with a vote attached.

Apparently the suspicion came without a suspicion attached. lol

Votes are over-rated.

Unvote, Vote: Roflcopter

What is your point here saying "suspicion came without a suspicion attached"? Are you implying that suspicion should always draw your vote? If so, do you think that's a valid method of scumhunting?

I THINK i meant that he didnt really suspect me. Trying to be ironic probs. But my memory isnt that awesome.

If i'm a Jester, i'm not scum. But yes, i am a little curious as to how Elmo knows that me and Guardian are town.

You are making your connection to Guardian more obvious. Please, continue.

*Sigh*

Unvote, Vote: Korts

Firstly, stop trying to be like DGB. 1 is more than enough. Secondly, tying players to each other is not only scummy in itself, but if done by a townie, is easily exploitable by scum.

i should also point out that you appear to have the preconception that i am going to do scummy things. I find it hard to believe that an open minded townie would have that approach.

BM

This still irks me. Nowhere was future scumminess implied in the following quote, only present:

BM seems meta-townish.

define meta-townish. because it sounds mostly like an excuse for you to ignore whatever scummy things bm does.

In an instant, the future can become the present. 'Does' can be used in the future tense.

i should also point out that you appear to have the preconception that i am going to do scummy things. I find it hard to believe that an open minded townie would have that approach.

BM

you are really good at framing your statements in such a way that they sound really damning without having actually proven anything.

i had no preconceptions about you or anyone else coming into this game. i am observing in the process of doing scummy things here.

then why have you assumed that i will behave in a scummy way? Tunnel vision much?

BM

This post is ignoring in its entirety what rofl wrote in reply to BM's accusation.

unvote, vote: Battle Mage

Why are you talking in the 3rd person? It wouldnt be because, rather than talk to me, you've already made your mind up, and want to seek support, would it?

What???? BM is still alive?

See? What's DGB if not pro-town?

Your mom?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I have a rather interesting idea. DGB, where were you on Thursday?

BM

[Battle Mage]

i still await a response from the DrippingLurkerBall

[Battle Mage]

i still await a response from the DrippingLurkerBall

Explain how I'm lurking, scumbag. I'm interested.

you still havent responded to my previous question.

Where were you last thursday?

BM

[Battle Mage]

i still await a response from the DrippingLurkerBall

To what?

To the question i asked. Duh.

BM

[Battle Mage]

i still await a response from the DrippingLurkerBall

To what?

To the question i asked. Duh.

BM

I thought the implicit implication that I didn't see you asking any question previously was sort of clear.

If that was the case, you could have looked at my posts in isolation, given it was my most recent post. Alternatively, you could have looked in the post above my response to you, which contained the question again.

BM

[Battle Mage]

STRATEGY FOR SCUMBAGS:

Check your PM's to remind yourself of who the Godfather is. If it's CKD, vote for Korts, and vice-versa.

What if it's neither?

BM

[Battle Mage]

But BM, you're already bus'ing a scumbuddy... never mind. It's OK if you're the Godfather, you can bus either buddy, we don't care. So my advice that you vote yourself is incorrect. Sorry about that.

ok awesome. As Korts is obvscum, and i'm being co-operative, why dont you hop on the largest wagon?

BM

[Battle Mage]

ok awesome. As Korts is obvscum, and i'm being co-operative, why dont you hop on the largest wagon?

I do believe I'm already voting for one of the two present top contenders.

if you switch your vote, you will join a larger wagon, in Korts.

BM

[Battle Mage]

^shakes head disapprovingly...

BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: Vollkan

I dont think CKD scum would claim vanilla at this point. I dont think Korts scum would be so blatant in his self-interest.

BM

[Battle Mage]

ok, i kinda wanna hammer CKD, but also dont wanna break his ickle heart... :S

BM

[Battle Mage]

Let me phrase that another way.

If CKD was your buddy, you wouldn't have hesitated to make yourself the hero and hammer him for town cred. If you were town, you wouldn't have hesitated to make yourself the hero and hammer such a scummy player.

Thus you are scum, BM, and CKD is town.

I didnt find him especially scummy but Post 608 was absolutely horrible.

If i was scum, i wouldnt be seen hesitating. I'd either not post anything, or i'd make a decision. I guess its WIFOM, but my motive was, i'm being up front about my opinion. In any case, its not a scumtell.

BM

[Battle Mage]

what the fuck????

no no no...DGB...you are not getting out of my apology..I dont care if you did unvote...you have done nothing but push my wagon all day...you are not getting out of it that easy.

Dude, can we string her up now or what??

Unvote, Vote: DGB

Pushing poorly thought out arguments is a scumtell for DGB. I cite Return of the Mafia as a pressing example (where she was Toaster Strudel).

BM

[Battle Mage]

Kison is talking alot of sense and is probably protown. But i dont understand how he can go from such shite grammar to satisfactory posting so quickly.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I have CKD pulling really hard at my heartstrings (I told you I'll never let you play me like a violin ever again, put down that bow), and BM screaming "I'm scum! I'm scum!"

There is no way in hell that BM wouldn't think CKD is scummy, if he were town. The only way a player can see something townie in CKD is to be scum, KNOWING that CKD is town, despite evidence to the contrary.

CKD has more flashing scum marquees than Vegas has casinos. Only scum would defend him.

Evidently not. It's called adapting to a meta. Meta indication of his townieness also helps.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Well, if he's been keeping his pro town read, do you find it odd that he expresses desire to hammer?

No, not really. I get the urge myself whenever someone's at L-1 and I'm not voting them, more or less regardless of my opinion regarding the player.

Pushing poorly thought out arguments is a scumtell for DGB. I cite Return of the Mafia as a pressing example (where she was Toaster Strudel).

Isn't that more of a trademark than a scumtell?

at the time i didnt think so. She just blows my...



Mind. lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

DGB is scum. Didnt you get the PM?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Today we must lynch 1 of the following:

DGB
Roflcopter
Korts

I'm fairly sure that 1 of the first 2 is the culprit of the Guardian-kill. Korts should also be killed for vague scumminess.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Today we must lynch 1 of the following:

DGB
Roflcopter
Korts

I'm fairly sure that 1 of the first 2 is the culprit of the Guardian-kill. Korts should also be killed for vague scumminess.

Thank you for your opinion. It's nice to know what the scum is thinking. Thanks for sharing.

Maybe i'd be more lenient towards you if you hadn't lied about your whereabouts on the day of Guardian's death.

BM

[Battle Mage]

in fact,

Vote: DGB

It has a nice ring to it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

^I guess you havent considered reading the rules?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Amusing really that all 3 people who i declared were my suspects suddenly want to lynch me for no other reason than OMGUS. I guess the real test will be whether the remaining players buy into it, or whether they help me string the scumbags up.

I can understand DGB. Caught in a lie about something that can be confirmed. Korts is fairly straightforward too. He needs to save his own arse, and DGB is giving him an opportunity to do so.
Rofl's 726 however? Completely beyond me...

BM

[Battle Mage]

if you were town, you would have either:

A. Explained why you lied, or at least confronted the argument against you.

or

B. Asked what i was referring to, if you had missed it.

I wonder if you are harming your reputation atall by making a complete and utter fool of yourself? Ha, guess not.

BM

[Battle Mage]

He needs to save his own arse, and DGB is giving him an opportunity to do so.

Wait, save my arse from what? The size of my wagon yesterday was partly due to the proximity of the deadline, IMO. I've got time to earn some town cred back today. And I'm starting with you.

Also, OMGUS is such a fictive scumtell. It doesn't exist in practice.

Lol. You had a fairly large wagon yesterday, and the only reason you didnt hang was because the wagon on CKD was stagnant. You picked up a couple of quick votes today aswell, if my memory serves me well.
And ftr, you dont earn back town cred by running up townies.

OMGUS isnt a scumtell, full stop. Not when so many stupid townies fall into the trap. I fail to see the case on me however, and feel you fall into 1 of the above categories.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also, what is this lie you refer to in regards to DGB?

GOOD QUESTION.

I looked into people's activity on site at the time of guardians death. Not everyone, just a few people i thought were scummy, and/or had motives for wanting him dead. DGB had not posted on site within the time frame available for the kill (in excess of 3 hours i think). When i asked her where she was, in an attempt to give her an opportunity to confirm herself, she claimed that she'd been at a computer-something which i find very unlikely given her normal posting rate when she has computer access. Motive for the lie? i'm not sure. But chronic lying when scum isnt uncommon.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Where were you last thursday?

BM

Why, I think I was home most of the day. You didn't see me betting at the races. did you?

Battle Mage, this doesn't mean 'at the computer.'

Also, why are you just now bringing this up?

I brought it up yesterday. I wasnt really into this game then, but i figure its about time that changed.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Lol, its a combination of that and the fact that she was one of few people with both the motive, and (if part of a scumgroup) the clout to be able to put through a Guardian kill.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I don't follow. What motive would DGBscum have had to put Guardian down?

Allegedly, Guardian was tunnel-visioning DGB.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Dear Battle Mage,



As a result of the logic you've used on this page, I hereby revoke your ownership of the above.

Your Friend,

Kison

Lol, less than a month before it becomes null and void anyway. Nice.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I submit the following quote from Guardian, for your weighing and consideration:

BM's appearance of continued spamming is saddening and suspicious . Again, more comments later.

I do believe the hints of power role did him in. His pursuance of me was hardly alarming, or tunnel-visioning. Guardian also railed against vollkan, an activity that I heartily approve.

BM, are you disappointed that we didn't catch on to Guardian's light focus, and WIFOM me to the lynch? Today, you're trying to force the issue?

You are so scum.

Hints of power role? A further motive for you to kill him! Ha!

At least i have SOME reason for my vote. Unlike yourself.

BM

[Battle Mage]

CKD and Kison both vanillas. Meh. Will reread the game knowing this.
For now, the most possible thing is prob one scum in the CKD wagon.
Still thinking that rolf is town. I can understand why he pushed that wagon cuz I did it too. Im thinking this CKD and friends vs rolf and friend thing is a town vs town fight with some infiltrators and some scum avoiding direct implicaton
Regarding, Sens, Not so happy lynching a lurker. Id prefer a replacement or massive prodding.
..............
Im happy with this.

Vote : BM

DGB has hypnotized me with his new santa hat and BM is making no sense. Also, for some reason, he wasnt reading the game and its bringing dumb scenarios to make DGB look bad. Never knew what was his real stance in the CKD-rolf affair.

Kills are made in real time. Therefore we should be able to get some leads from who is online when the kill is submitted. Notice that you criticise my reasoning for voting DGB, perhaps justly, but then dont criticise her for having no reasoning whatsoever. Nice...

Unvote, Vote: Yos

BM

[Battle Mage]

The last sentence of 769, combined with his presence online at the time of the kill submission make me think he is a possibility for the culprit.

DGB, you really ought to consider whether not giving reasons with the original vote is a towntell or a scumtell for me. And possibly seek counselling, because im starting to worry you've lost the plot and actually believe half the stuff you come out with... 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, some players choose not to have their names show on the online list.

WIFOM I know, but why would Yosarian, if he did the kill, draw attention to himself by posting around the time of the kill? Do we know whether there was a delay between the kill order and the mod executing the order? Was Kison a menace to Yos's continued survival?

*facepalm*

Who said i was going by the online list? That would require me to be online at the time of every kill, merely refreshing my page every few seconds. I havent sunk quite that low.

There is a Mod initiated time delay between kill and announcement. And my suggestion is not that Yos killed Kison because he was a threat, but that it would enable him to cast suspicion on those attacking Kison-as indeed, he did.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Kills are made in real time, but Adel isn't constantly online and the death scene only occurs when she logs in. So who happened to be online at the time of her posting the death scene isn't much of a tell one way or the other. BM's case is bs, as is his similar attack on DGB.

I guess this is where i reccommend you read the entirety of my post, and possibly, comment on the remainder?

This game is grating on me now...

BM

[Battle Mage]

wow what a scumtell I dropped there, you got me

Those promises are rarely kept. It's called 'active lurking.'

I'm sorry if my exams are a bigger priority than mafia atm. I've got minutes to write, an essay to complete, about four exams looming, and I don't know right now what else. If this is a scumtell, so be it. I try real hard not to break promises.

Also, aren't you supposed to call me out

after

I fail to have adhered to my promise? Otherwise, you're just grasping at air.

By the way I don't discount a possible vig kill by far. Why couldn't it have been, again?

There is a Mod initiated time delay between kill and announcement. And my suggestion is not that Yos killed Kison because he was a threat, but that it would enable him to cast suspicion on those attacking Kison-as indeed, he did.

I don't think he was casting suspicion. He was justifying how this could've been a vig kill.

wtf??

The amount of speculation and BS from BM is beginning to amaze me. I'm good for his lynch.

Ok, ok, i think i get the hint. I've requested replacement so hopefully someone can give this game the commitment it deserves. It would seem this is the only way i can retain my IC status

BM

[Battle Mage]

lol