I see what my beef with this is. a) rofl's "blindingly obvious" comment was a very clear hyperbole, and b) "blindingly obvious" doesn't even come close to contradicting the statement that it was a gut read on des. This is pure, unadulterated BS.Kison wrote:He's so town that it's blindingly obvious, yet it's also unexplainable because it's a gut read?
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Otherwise I feel DGB has been fairly pro-town, but this statement is openly buddying up to rofl.DrippingGoofball wrote:Kison is scum for casting aspersions on roflcopter's unblemished record as townie town town in this game.
In post 195, Guardian is glaringly obviously attempting to deflect attention from CKD. There is also the statement that self-voting is scummy. It may be anti-town, but it definitely isn't scummy, IMIO.
After trying to discredit CKD case, and a reply from rofl, he quickly retreats and basically allows rofl to follow the lead on CKD. I think he's trying too hard to stay uncommitted to any particular side.Guardian wrote:Reading over the thread again, there are two quick things I'd like to say.
If, after considering whether you truly think the case on CKD is good, you still think it is, keep going for it. I do not want us to waste time, but I just remembered the plethora of reasons I refuse to defend people -- I am not going to defend him by saying why I think the points against him are weak, that is up to him.
I endorse DGB's post 212 (although the vollkan self-bussing idea is just silly).
Especially this is so very true.DGB wrote:HEY! That's what you just did.Guardian wrote:Please cut out the garbage -- it is unhelpful and suspcious. Posting a lot of nothing can make you look like you are scum hunting, being active, thinking about the game, etc. when you aren't.
There's a very clear buddying up attempt again at the end of her post, though. I wonder if she'd be so open about it.
des wrote:The Korts-ckd connection became more evident when Korts talked about ckd's motives with so much confidence
Is this me talking about motives "with so much confidence"? Cos it was you that implied that CKD's second vote was pretty much another vote without real reason (i.e. a second random vote). I don't know why CKD decided his vote on me was lacking. The fact that I didn't do much constructive posting up 'til then does make his unvote raise my eyebrow, looking at it now, but I fail to see that as an associative tell (I would say that, though, wouldn't I).Korts, in referenced post wrote:I still don't see how that's particularly scummy, placing multiple random votes.des wrote:Korts, If ckd is scum he's going to be conscious of whether or not he's voting for someone who's on his team. He unvoted you and moved to rofl without giving much more reason than his first vote.
des wrote: He describes ckd's case on rofl as OMGUS, ignoring the fact that ckd voted rofl before this could have been a factor.
...des, a bit before that wrote:I think that ckd was threatened by rofl's vote and his following case against him seemed almost knee-jerk.
How is this not the same as me saying that CKD's case was rooted in OMGUS?
Because "gut" is an acceptable though not very helpful reason for an early game state, while BS is always invalid.des wrote:Why isn't Korts questioning the legitimacy of ckd's reasoning prior to his exchange with rofl?
I don't like Guardian's post 218 tirade that could've been summed up in a single sentence (and still be wrong).
More on the fence.Guardian wrote:I also want to point out that discussion on who and what is scummy is usually never a bad thing. I find the case on ckd unconvincing, and I find it a waste of space, but nevertheless it could lead to good things. I was wrong to say to stop it earlier.
I don't know if Guardian genuinely doesn't realize that DGB is joking or he's really intent on refuting every single paragraph of DGB's post in a desperate attempt to defend himself.Guardian wrote:So does it indicate nothing or does it indicate that he is SK?DGB wrote:This is just silly. Self-voting is indicative of nothing at all, and vollkan did it to bus himself, as he is the SK
One way it is helpful is that it outs the opportunistic players who are all too eager to jump on an anti-town thell saying it's a scumtell. Remember, kids, anti-town=/=scummy. There may be overlaps, but it's a false conclusion to paintGuardian wrote:I disagree. Mafia has an implicit social contract where we all put our thoughts about other people to be analyzed. When you don't self vote, you don't do that. It is like lurking. It robs the town of discussion and moves the discussion in a bad direction. At worst it can bring suspicion to yourself -- because it IS unhelpful to the town.
Whoa, misrep! DGB is refusing to list those players she sees asGuardian wrote:Why refuse to state who you are suspicious of and why? Why refuse to list the players and make comments? I want a firm stand from you on the players because right now you are my first (second if you count me misreading Korts) real suspect. I will explain further after you procure such a list or again explicitly refuse to.