Crackers! Mafia -- Game Over. See page 50

[SensFan]

See something scummy and you can get a gut scum read.
Seeing something 'townie' can hardly lead to a gut town read.

[roflcopter]

i don't see why not

[roflcopter]

See something scummy and you can get a gut scum read.
Seeing something 'townie' can hardly lead to a gut town read.

and why does townie need quotation marks but scummy doesn't?

[destructor]

I don't see much sense in what Sens is saying.

This whole discussion is pretty lame, though. I don't even know if 'gut' means the same thing to everyone. I think of gut as the impression I get when I pick up on recurring nuances over a number of posts that I can't always point at immediately. Why shouldn't this get me leaning town, as opposed to scum, on someone?

The page number thing is also a fallacy. The post count and content of the player(s) in question are more meaningful.

Basically, we need to stop arguing about vague shit using vague terms.


The real issue I see people taking with rofl is that the page number on which he'd made a call on me being town was too low, or something. His comment would only be particularly questionable if I had a low post count or little content. If someone had said they had a town gut read on me on page 12 while I had the same number of posts, would this still be an issue?

[ZazieR]

It's a vote which doesnt affiliate me to anyone directly, but indirectly is far more useful than a random vote.

So you voted yourself so that you aren't connected with anyone, am I correct? If so, explain why you should be bothered with being connected with anyone.

Perhaps offtopic, but I've seen Twito now several times. Can someone explain this please?

Apparently, I wasn't the only one who didn't know.

I am pretty sure he meant to vote no lynch

See post 30. This, to me, is kinda like answering a question aimed at another player than yourself. I'm having a problem with this.

Midgets are obvious pro-town.

Only scum can know when someone is pro-town .

Vote Korts

Quick, everyone start spamming! My goal is page forty by the time BM returns

But that would have resulted into a 40-page game read for me and some others as well. You're mean.

The list of players is absolutely brilliant.

Finally. I'm included this time (I hope )

Vote: Vollkan

Four questions:
1) What "sort of information" does a non-self random vote yield?
2) Can you see any inherent game value in having a theory debate early on?
3) Based on your answers to 1) and 2), do you think self-voting in the random stage can be a reasonable course of conduct?
4) Was your post that I quote above at all influenced by meta actions of myself?

FoS Vollkan

Ignoring questions is anti-town .

He needs to BUTTER UP EVERYBODY. Not just townies, not just mafiates, but every player in the game.

If this was his plan, he succeeded with me .

Also, it's self-bus'ing. I mean, he can only bus himself. He's doing it to get town cred in case he goes down in flames.

Why do you only mention Vollkan with this and not BM?

DGB, you answered the questions aimed at Vollkan. Answering questions which aren't aimed at you is anti-town

FoS DGB

Anyone with a cat in their avatar is Scum.

Does this include Rofl's strange creature?

I like Korts's posts 69 and 70. Also include post 104.

This is the first FOS I've pointed in about 12 months. Consider it seriously hardcore.

. You're a goner now BM as Des gave you... a FoS.

Because I caught all three scum, and now there's a fourth.

You're my hero. Many players assume that there are only 3 scummembers and you catch all of them, including their extra partner. This deserves an

UnFoS

.

Did you catch a possible SK as well?

I saw you did. 4 scum and the SK, I want to learn your scumhunting skills

Why do you FoS Battle Mage for this comment, but not FoS me for this one

Why did you want to know this?

FuriousKarmaDog

Vollkan you have seen me vote on my gut NUMEROUS times as town in the passed

I'm having a problem with this.

CKD, where does Rofl say this:

Des being town

DGB said rofl and I are 100% town, which seems a bigger statement than rofl ever made. I'm wondering why ckd and Kison are making rofl the bigger deal here and in fact saying nothing about DGB at all.

god what an astute comment! des is so town its like blindingly obvious.

My gut doesn't like this.

See something scummy and you can get a gut scum read.
Seeing something 'townie' can hardly lead to a gut town read.

I don't understand it

Like I already mentioned, I like 3 posts of Korts: 69,70 and 104.
He explained the question about Yos2. There's nothing to argue about that.
I don't understand why it was useful to ask who DGB and Vollkan saw as town (I feel dumb right now ), but to me it is also useful to scum as they can see who others see as townie. At post 103 he asks CKD who he sees as most pro town. I would like an explanation for this.

That's it for now. I still need to see whom to vote for as all my votes and FoSes aren't serious right now. However, I don't see the case against CKD. It seems like it's based mostly upon him attacking Rofl. I see the case against Rofl better, but I'm not sold yet.

[Adel]

See this post for a little more explanation about the mechanics of this game.

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votecount as of post 154

_{with 14 alive, 8 will lynch before deadline}

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¬curiouskarmadog:

4

:roflcopter, DrippingGoofball, destructor, vollkan
Battle Mage:

3

:Raging Rabbit, Korts, SensFan
Korts:

2

:Battle Mage, ZazieR
Raging Rabbit:

1

:Elmo,
Kison:

1

:, Guardian
Guardian:

1

:Kison
roflcopter:

1

:curiouskarmadog


No Lynch:

none

not voting:

1

:Yosarian2,

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Day 1's deadline is December 6th at 16:40(UTC)

Countdown timer to deadline

[roflcopter]

i think its in our best interest to reach a lynch in this game before deadline (well before deadline, ideally) to give scum less time to make an optimal kill or possibly catch them off guard and deprive them of a kill altogether.

[Battle Mage]

right... :S

I just realized I was potentially rolefishing.

Can't have that!

Go on- if you have a question, shoot.

Nah. I wanted to ask whether you were joking when you said CKD was town or you did have an actual town read on him, but I realized that a) that's rolefishing to some extent, and b) you were probably joking anyway.

Actually both are wrong. But i have a town read on him based on a meta i can't reference, so it isn't of great value to the game at this point.

So how is defending them more scummy than abusing them?

Who's talking about abusing them?

I believe it was CKD.

BM

He only said something about enjoying midget porn. I don't think that's abuse. Heck, they're probably enjoying themselves.

From what i hear, the adult entertainment industry is not an entirely honest one for it's employees.

rofl, the only thing you're leaving out is the new C9. Flipped doc. You just didn't stay all the way through. Will I always have to tell you this?

what? :S

sorry, i'm gonna be V/LA for the next 17 hours.

BM

Quick, everyone start spamming! My goal is page forty by the time BM returns

Well, you more than doubled the length of the game. That's not a bad achievement

BM

[Kison]

kison deserves some closer scrutiny

Why?

and ckd, i have been saying that my town read on des is a gut read just like your scum read on me is, not that my vote on you is gut. my vote on you is perfectly well reasoned, and has nothing to do with oh my god sucking you.

god what an astute comment! des is

so

town its like blindingly obvious.

He's so town that it's blindingly obvious, yet it's also unexplainable because it's a gut read?

Unvote

Vote: roflcoptor

DGB said rofl and I are 100% town, which seems a bigger statement than rofl ever made. I'm wondering why ckd and Kison are making rofl the bigger deal here and in fact saying nothing about DGB at all.

I had contemplated it, but I've played with DrippingGoofball before. She's crazy(I say this lovingly) and does that sort of thing. Note she 'pegged' the three scum and Serial Killer. A very similar line of thinking in the madness that is DrippingGoofball's mind. Simply put, I do not know how to deal with zany players like DrippingGoofball. It's like trying to deal with the Battle Mage version 1.0.

i think its in our best interest to reach a lynch in this game before deadline (well before deadline, ideally) to give scum less time to make an optimal kill or possibly catch them off guard and deprive them of a kill altogether.

And what does less time mean for Town? Less time to reach an optimal lynch. Read this. Similar strategy. Catastrophic consequences.

[DrippingGoofball]

Kison is scum for casting aspersions on roflcopter's unblemished record as townie town town in this game.

His case is absolute rubbish but he's perhaps hoping we interpret his actions as bus'ing after we lynch or vig him.

[roflcopter]

kison deserves some closer scrutiny

Why?

you pretty well demonstrate why with the rest of what follows in your post

and ckd, i have been saying that my town read on des is a gut read just like your scum read on me is, not that my vote on you is gut. my vote on you is perfectly well reasoned, and has nothing to do with oh my god sucking you.

god what an astute comment! des is

so

town its like blindingly obvious.

He's so town that it's blindingly obvious, yet it's also unexplainable because it's a gut read?

Unvote

Vote: roflcoptor

this smells an awful lot like a chainsaw defense of ckd

DGB said rofl and I are 100% town, which seems a bigger statement than rofl ever made. I'm wondering why ckd and Kison are making rofl the bigger deal here and in fact saying nothing about DGB at all.

I had contemplated it, but I've played with DrippingGoofball before. She's crazy(I say this lovingly) and does that sort of thing. Note she 'pegged' the three scum and Serial Killer. A very similar line of thinking in the madness that is DrippingGoofball's mind. Simply put, I do not know how to deal with zany players like DrippingGoofball. It's like trying to deal with the Battle Mage version 1.0.

thats a nice excuse for selectively persecuting one person instead of another for doing the same thing. what makes me any less "zany" than dgb?

i think its in our best interest to reach a lynch in this game before deadline (well before deadline, ideally) to give scum less time to make an optimal kill or possibly catch them off guard and deprive them of a kill altogether.

And what does less time mean for Town? Less time to reach an optimal lynch. Read this. Similar strategy. Catastrophic consequences.

i'll concede this point, your example persuades me i was wrong

[Korts]

Korts, If ckd is scum he's going to be conscious of whether or not he's voting for someone who's on his team. He unvoted you and moved to rofl without giving much more reason than his first vote.

I still don't see how that's particularly scummy, placing multiple random votes.

You've said his vote is OMGUS, but he voted rofl before they started their exchange. ckd can't justify his vote retrospectively and you're ignoring this.

Sorry, I checked and I did say vote. I meant his

case

on rofl was rooted in OMGUS.

i think its in our best interest to reach a lynch in this game before deadline (well before deadline, ideally) to give scum less time to make an optimal kill or possibly catch them off guard and deprive them of a kill altogether.

I agree that we should keep as far away from deadline as possible, but let's not just quicklynch. Informed decisions and such.

rofl, the only thing you're leaving out is the new C9. Flipped doc. You just didn't stay all the way through. Will I always have to tell you this?

what? :S

It's just that that's been rofl's random vote justification (that I'm always scum if we play together) for the past two games, maybe, and he always leaves one game out where I was the doc (although he had to replace out). Not really important.

He's so town that it's blindingly obvious, yet it's also unexplainable because it's a gut read?

Unvote
Vote: roflcoptor

I'm after lunch, and I'm digesting, so it's hard to think for me. But this vote and justification seems off. I don't see a glaring contradiction. I'll be coming back to this later to see if I can put my finger on what's bothering me.

[Korts]

thats a nice excuse for selectively persecuting one person instead of another for doing the same thing. what makes me any less "zany" than dgb?

DGB has a bit more of a reputation than you, I'm guessing.

[Kison]

kison deserves some closer scrutiny

Why?

you pretty well demonstrate why with the rest of what follows in your post

You made the comment before I posted, which means you had an idea of why I deserved scrutiny based on previous actions, yet you dodged the question and focused only on my more recent attacks. So I'll ask again: what did I do before my last post that led you to conclude I deserved more scrutiny?

thats a nice excuse for selectively persecuting one person instead of another for doing the same thing. what makes me any less "zany" than dgb?

*shrug* There are very few players who I am going to give leeway towards, but she happens to be one of them. It's not that I find it 'acceptable', but I'm far less willing to assume that DrippingGoofball in particular making ridiculous statements of that sort indicates one way or another that she is scum or town. I don't know how to read her, and I think you'll find that many people in this game who've played with her before know that she has a very unusual demeanor.

and ckd, i have been saying that my town read on des is a gut read just like your scum read on me is, not that my vote on you is gut. my vote on you is perfectly well reasoned, and has nothing to do with oh my god sucking you.

god what an astute comment! des is

so

town its like blindingly obvious.

He's so town that it's blindingly obvious, yet it's also unexplainable because it's a gut read?

Unvote

Vote: roflcoptor

this smells an awful lot like a chainsaw defense of ckd

I disagree; I'm not defending CKD, but rather one of his arguments. Why? Because I think the argument in question is valid.

[Battle Mage]

Kison, why go along with the joke that you are busing me?

BM, why change your vote every other post?

vote: Kison

The original idea was to build a meta, but with hindsight, that meta is a scum one.

BM

[Battle Mage]

This game looks set to be great. The list of players is absolutely brilliant.

Doesn't yield the same sort of information, and from my experience the discussion it creates revolves strictly around theory and meta and doesn't have much to do with the game. I'm not letting this deteriorate into a Twito discussion, you can keep crying your eyes out as far as I'm concerned. Also, you're buddying up to midgets.

Vote: Vollkan

Four questions:
1) What "sort of information" does a non-self random vote yield?
2) Can you see any inherent game value in having a theory debate early on?
3) Based on your answers to 1) and 2), do you think self-voting in the random stage can be a reasonable course of conduct?
4) Was your post that I quote above at all influenced by meta actions of myself?

@CKD- We have another one. rofl

BM

[Battle Mage]

Clearly I need to get rid of the cat.

What does this mean?

Didn't you hear? Anyone with a cat in their avatar is Scum.

I'm also curious about this.

BM

[roflcopter]

kison, your post 138 originally got my attention, thus the statement that you deserved some scrutiny, and your following post confirmed that theory for me

[Battle Mage]

yeah i'm a person not an expression of mildly amused dismissal. though sometimes i'm that too.

there's nothing mild about 'rofl'!

fair nuff

out of curiousity, who do you think is the most pro town at this moment

you me after me?

ROFL.

vollkan...

but he always looks town to me.

That's funny. In my experience, he is always the GF.

BM

[Battle Mage]

unvote, vote: BM

For two consecutive posts without a vote. Shame on you.

Good catch, but I'm already voting for his buddy, Kison.

Damn. Well, at least you'll never find out who my other buddy is!

*cough*Sensfan*cough*

BM

What's with the WIFOM?

FOS: Battle Mage

This is the first FOS I've pointed in about 12 months. Consider it seriously hardcore.

I dont really see your issue here. Certainly nothing that would warrant a 'hardcore FoS' (damn, dont see those words together often enough!)

Ftr, i was responding to a joke by DGB, in a similarly jokey fashion. I fail to see how you could be suspicious on me because i claimed scum in a really WIFOMy way.

Unvote, Vote: Destructor

[roflcopter]

this page has suddenly experienced an explosion of noise from battle mage with very little signal

[Battle Mage]

unvote, vote: ckd

scum hate it so much when town starts clearing other town, it makes it so much harder to get mislynches

This is actually a very good point. If DGB wasnt a professional bser, and CKD strongly protown, i might be tempted to follow you.

BM

[roflcopter]

oh yeah i almost forgot about bm's conviction that ckd is protown

ckd, kison: how does bm's declaration that ckd is protown differ from my own about des, and why has it gone ignored by you two up to this point?

[Battle Mage]

DGB said rofl and I are 100% town, which seems a bigger statement than rofl ever made. I'm wondering why ckd and Kison are making rofl the bigger deal here and in fact saying nothing about DGB at all.

DGB is trying desperately to play to a meta.

In fact, I'm starting to feel DGB is being an intentional distraction while scum-Yos lurks away.

Unvote, Vote: DGB

quadruple post

good lad!

BM

[Korts]

I dont really see your issue here. Certainly nothing that would warrant a 'hardcore FoS' (damn, dont see those words together often enough!)

Ftr, i was responding to a joke by DGB, in a similarly jokey fashion. I fail to see how you could be suspicious on me because i claimed scum in a really WIFOMy way.

Unvote, Vote: Destructor

That's a BS reason for voting. Not realizing something is a joke or not appreciating jokes about who your scumbuddy is is in no way a scummy thing.