Babylon 5 Mafia: Severed Dreams - Over

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vote: MafiaSSK

i rolled a die and he came out. So he must be mafia.

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Weren't FoS's just for tiebreaking?

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vote: MafiaSSK

i rolled a die and he came out. So he must be mafia.

I kinda voted in the first page

Fixed. (As if the world needed more proof that I fail at vote counts.) - Tar

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I am not lynching you

again

. Tar had missed my random voting stage vote so I just reminded him.

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Unvote

FoS: Darox

I don't like how you're accusing someone of something that he does every single game.

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Let's not bandwagon people with our policies from other games.

I don't want to ask "why is that policy" every single time.

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Any survivor/villager claims would hurt the town so it isn't a good time for it.

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I thought the villager claims would also make the mafia target the other people of the town, making the power roles easier to hit. Was I wrong?

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posting to avoid being prodded

will make a real post when i understand all the posts

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5. *rolls eyes* Humans try and find patterns in everything and patterns in nothing. Sometimes there is a pattern, and most of the time we're delusional.

Actually, since humankind can't do things randomly, there is always a pattern in our actions; even if we're trying to break the pattern.

At this point I'm also against a mass role/win condition/alignment claim as it seems a bit pointless to me in a theme game. As in you could just google for a good/neutral role from the series and claim it.

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UnFoS

Yes, I'd also like to see Nat defend himself.

Wait, actually Darox's post just pretty much convinced me.

Vote: Nat

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UnFoS

Yes, I'd also like to see Nat defend himself.

Wait, actually Darox's post just pretty much convinced me.

Vote: Nat

Err, Tar; I think I voted.

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Kinetic I'm actually aware of one more faction that doesn't interfere with the army of light.

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Also I totally believe Nat's claim on anti-shadow so I'll

unvote

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a lot of text

Just saying that I know of two more factions that aren't in your post.

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Okay, one is Nat's claim: Anti-shadow. That has no business with either the Light Force or the Vorlons. Their win condition is to get the shadows and neutral survivors dead (one of Nat's early posts was about asking survivors to come out and tell why he shouldn't kill them)

The other one is, as you suspect; the anti-vorlon, the vorlon version of Nat's faction. The reason that I fully believe Nat's claim is that I'm from this faction. If you don't believe me, go on and lynch Nat (or me). Since the role PM's are exposed in the death scene, you'll see that I'm right.

Just telling again that neither the Anti-Shadow or Anti-Vorlon factions need to eliminate the Light Force to win

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Just to mention my above post was started being written in 6 pm

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No Kinetic, I'm not Centauri

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It seems like my unvote didn't go through

Unvote

I'm for the race claim plan.

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If I'm a survivor I'll have to commit suicide to win ._.

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Either way, that doesn't change anything unfortunately. Town has no choice but to kill any claimed survivors. Giving the mafia a safe claim is, not useful, to say the least. Either way,

Nat and hp are anti-town

, but I doubt they're survivors. They're still the best lynch, per say, but now I'm wondering about it. They're main threat, really, is their WC. But that WC is the same, dead or alive... Maybe... It might be best to kill them in case they ARE survivors and they're just leaving that part out, but I kind of doubt that.

Either way, we need to find scum and lynch them. If we have a better lynch, I'd be willing to move off of Nat/hp, but all the same I'd rather lynch them then most anyone else. A very tough riddle. Maybe lynch one, see his role, and then use that to maybe lynch the other. Hmm...

Just to say that I'm neither pro-town or anti-town, I have nothing do do with that. I'm just anti-mafia. Also I'm not a survivor.

In the end either me or Nat will win. lol

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Actually I can win the game no matter alive or dead. Me dying this day does nothing good or bad to me. But I can help

you

only while I'm alive.

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And Darox, are you voting me because you're believing me, or you aren't believing me?

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I'm pretty sure this line is bullshit.

Because otherwise, it would be impossible for the Army of Light to win the game as a unified faction.

Why? didn't you read Tar's edit on Kinetic's post? I can win this game whether alive or dead. Also, do you think I'm just a vanilla townie version of a not-much-known faction?

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I think its a given we're going to lynch one of them today. I'm leaning toward hp, but I keep finding reasons to suspect Nat. Nat seems the more likely to be a survivor of the two, while hp seems the more likely to be scum.

I advise that you lynch Nat. In the night I'm likely to be killed by Vorlons; however Nat is today untargettable and you'll have to waste another day to lynch him.

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My race is Earthforce.

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Uh, can you type that again in an understandable way?

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Ok I think I have to give you a reason to keep me alive for this day.

I'm Alfred Bester. EarthForce/Anti-Vorlon Psi-Cop. Every night I can read someone's mind, learning his/her race and faction.

I can be inspecting people at night while the Army of Light cop (if there is one) stays hidden.

I'm more dependable and trustful than Nat and his constantly changing ability.

If you don't believe me, Nat is the logical choice to lynch without risking your cop. If he's indeed a survivor, I'll start a wagon on myself in Day 2.

If you believe me, I suggest waiting until Kinetic comes up with the second part of his BIG plan.

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I am waiting for you to reveal the second part of your plan.

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My attempt to read Malthusis' mind also gave me no result.

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Vote: The Internet

With the "1 non-town,1 mafia,1 town" components of each faction, it is revealed that The Internet is totally scum.

Centauri consists of:

RandomGem(town as his role PM is fully revealed)
The Internet(scummy scum scum scum)
farside(Anti-vorlon, just like me!)

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Also, analyzing B5:

Mana_ku (anti-shadow)
veerus
ForbiddanLight
Empking
Vismajor

Two of the four unclaimed players are Survivors. One is scum and the other is town. I like how survivors just went and claimed B5.

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Alright, among the races THERE ARE

Narn: One AOL, One Scum, One Non-Town
Minbari: One AOL, One Scum, One Non-Town
Centauri: One AOL, One Scum, One Non-Town
B5: One AOL, One Scum, One Non-Town
EF: One AOL, One Scum, One Non-Town
Unaligned: One AOL, One Scum, One Non-Town

What we know, what we suspect, and what that leaves us:

Narn: No claims, any of the three can be any of the three
Minbari: Nat claims non-town, Scum must be either Kinetic or Darox (i.e. DAROX IS SCUM)
Centauri: Farside "claims" non-town, RG proven AOL, leaves TheInternet as either the TRUE non-town, or scum. I actually think Theinternet is more likely scum.
B5: ManaKu Claimed non-town, veerus, VisMajor, Forbiddenlight and empking, of these up to TWO could be scum
EF: hp claims non-town, KOC could be in this group. If he is and not scum then either pacman or DGB is SCUM
Unaligned: No claims, all or none could be scum. If KoC is of this faction and not scum, then one of them is scum.

I'll give my personal list asap.

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At this moment I see Farside as scummier. However, there has been the possibility that there are 6 anti-vorlons/shadows in total. If so, it would be nice if the last anti-shadow would show himself. Otherwise, this could result in a mislynch. And I think the last anti-shadow would like to lynch the Shadow Operatives or Neutral Survivor more than an anti-Vorlon.
Natirasha, as shown by Tar at the list of the dead players, it was shown that Dybeck was a Member :S. Does your role PM say that you are a Member?

If you think farside is scummier than The Internet, then I'll have to disagree with you. It seems there is a symmetry between Anti-scum groups. You and me are cops. Nat and farside are the jacks of all trades. And Dybeck and unknown are vanillas.

If he claimed before you, then you're far more suspicious than him.

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I love how the town are forced to keep the non-towns alive. If you lynch the anti-scums, then the game goes from a scumhunt to a racehunt.

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Mana_ku I'm sorry for not having ever played a Deep South setup before. I even asked Tar whether I was a daycop or a regular cop before I went V/LA. I was just confused about it.

Ok, first of all I have no knowledge of the series. When I got my role PM, I had to google Alfred Bester. I'm a cop, not a vig. I have no ability to kill. I don't even think that I have a gun, either. I also have no idea why both I and Mana_ku are still alive. Even if veerus was right and I was a shadow operative and he was a vorlon operative, we'd still both get killed day one.

Now, the possibilities:
1. Malt is scum, probably Vorlon, and is trying to get rid of me as soon as possible.
2. Both Kinetic and Malt are immune to investigation. (fat chance)
3. I got targeted by the vorlon roleblocker and mana got blocked by the shadow roleblocker. (but wouldn't we get a "you got roleblocked" message?)
4. Tar is fucking with us and all the role definitions we got are wrong.

I personally vote 1.

I also don't get why you're voting me off just because I have the ability to kill? I'm still anti-vorlon and I'd be targeting Vorlons. I had no idea that there was an Army of Light or Shadow operatives until RandomGem's role PM was revealed or Nat claimed.

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No, I'm a cop. I only have to ability to inspect.

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Cleared as in? I have no idea of which faction Malt is from. He is safe to claim anything now, as pop is MIA and can't counter-claim anything.

Also, the cops in this game might have 50%(or less!) success chance. It makes sense as there are more than one in this game.

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Lots of words that need to be written in ENGLISH

Cretin, Hp claimed COP.

HP then CLEARED Malt with his "COP" ability.

Malt then claimed he also was a cop-like and that HP was a lying bastard and that HP is a killing role, not a cop.

HP then said he wasn't a killing role.

End of story.

Yes, I claimed cop.

No, I didn't CLEAR malt. The only result I got was I failed the inspection.

Your case on me is LAME. cretin is right.

It is entirely possible that Malt got the check results wrong. It is entirely possible that Tar is fucking with us.

I am not lying. I'm told that I am Alfred Bester, Earthforce/Anti-Vorlon cop. I investigate people by the means of Psi-Cops.

I am a cop. I investigate people. I do not kill anyone by any means. If I could, there would be three (four even, considering anti-symmetries)kills last day.[/dice]

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If we all think that Malt is cleared, then pop is definitely scum. Why not lynch a scum instead of someone non-town?

Wait, he is MIA. And can't counter-claim.

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Narn (1 town, 1 scum, 1 non-town)

malt (gunsmith-like town role)
dybeck (confirmed non-town)
pop (left to be scum)

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Also Kinetic came up with the idea that I cleared Malt.

It's not suspicious or anything. He is 100% AOL by my evidence. Just that his logic is null.

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Also Kinetic came up with the idea that I cleared Malt.

It's not suspicious or anything. He is 100% AOL by my evidence. Just that his logic is null.

Kinetic is cleared. Not Malt. Malt is still suspicious.

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Wait, are you lynching me because I'm

dangerous

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Well, Wikipedia says that I do some kind of mind reading that may hurt people. If you consider that dangerous, then I'm indeed dangerous.

Telling again, I'm only a cop; not a vig.

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unvote

Just in case that Tar's count is right.

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Kinetic, remember your 1 town, 1 scum, 1 non-town theory?

You're Minbari. Nat and KoC are also Minbari. One was scum and the other is non-town. That leaves you as AoL.

and

[quote=wiki]Bester was notorious even among his fellow telepaths of the Corps for his ruthlessness, performing illegal mind scans on Mundanes at need, disregarding privacy laws and due process and heedless of the dangers such "Deep Scans" pose to the subjects' mental and physical safety. He also had a disturbing willingness to perform so-called Deathbed Scans, combing a dying person's mind for vital information up until the very moment of death. Such scans were known to be harmful to the telepath's mental health, with some believing that one lost a piece of one's soul by being in contact with the person as they crossed the threshold. Almost no telepath, having once done so, would willingly do so a second time, with subsequent attempts thought to be very damaging to the psyche. However, Bester repeatedly volunteered for such duty, believing that he could gain some special knowledge from the experience, ultimately performing an unprecedented eight deathbed scans. During the eighth, he follows his subject into the "void" and has a near-death experience in which he is informed that a telepath investigating death only experiences what he brings in his heart; he realized his is empty as he then experiences nothingness before being resuscitated by the hospital staff attending to the dying subject.[/quote]

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Wikipedia also says I'm a Psi-"Corp". It seems like Tar made another spelling mistake =/

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I believe in your theory as it is pretty much perfectly balanced.

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I'll post my list for you:

Centauri:
RandomGem
The internet
farside

Unaligned:
Armlx
MafiaSSK
cr3t1n

Earthforce(<3):
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DrippingGoofBall
Pacman###

Minbari:
Kinetic
Nat
KoC (dead)

Narn:
malt
pop
dybeck (dead)

b5:
Mana-ku
veerus
ForbiddenLight
Empking
VisMajor
(two are lying and are survivors)

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This is a post where I make puppy eyes ;-;

Go for it Anti-Vorlon.