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[Noraa]

Bob, I am legitimately scared of you.

VOTE: Bob

[Noraa]

*kicks glitch*
very funny

[Noraa]

Have some nice OMGUS on a plate

VOTE: glitchy boiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[Noraa]

Bob, I am legitimately scared of you.

I feel like there's a story or some meta knowledge here I want to know about. Why are you scared of Bob?

God the last game I was in with him, I got fooled so bad. Never suspected him and he was a dang scum traitor or something

[Noraa]

Literally if it weren't for the person he claimed a guilty on being vengeful, we would've lost that game at limlo

[Noraa]

I'm actually excited to play with you again Noraa, all bullshit aside. I don't remember which one it was but last game together we were freaking at each others throats. Hopefully this game we can get along alright.

shhhhh its ongoing. be quiet

[Noraa]

Im happy playing with you again too

[Noraa]

Lmaoooo lez go with our tiny lil two person team. lets go rock some shit

[Noraa]

Bob didn't even pocket me
I literally just was pocketed without him doing anything. Defended him everywhere ;(

[Noraa]

Hi Plus!!!!

[Noraa]

T^T I always read u wrong

[Noraa]

Page top

[Noraa]

HA I stoles it

[Noraa]

You don't got Bob's charm - jkjk
not sure how I get pocketed but uh .... normally I only get pocketed when
1)I'm under a lot of pressure and someone hard defends
or
2)they didn't even do anything I was just being stupid af

[Noraa]

unless you're a level headed and balanced personality

pfffffffffffffffff

[Noraa]

VOTE: bob

Not enough drama
Lockscum

but then its +town points to have a sunny in the avatar <.<

Hello everybody

Why did you not vote Bob?

the question is more why did you not vote in general?

[Noraa]

my fellow town aligned players

This reads as uncomfortable and forced

Bob got called out in the last game with me for only saying the word "fellow" in scum games. No one believed it at the time and we limmed the person that said it but they were right :/

[Noraa]

Bob got called out in the last game with me for only saying the word "fellow" in scum games. No one believed it at the time and we limmed the person that said it but they were right :/

Couldn't somebody have just searched Bob's games to find out whether that's true or not?

we did that and even made a big chart thingie. But like the prob was that occassionally there were exceptions and he doesnt seem to use the word "fellow" that much even in scum games. And on top of that, the person SRing him was heavily SRed AND on top of that, not all of our town power had claimed so it looked like we were extremely underpowered so we believed his pr claim.

[Noraa]

Btw I remembered wrong. Bob wasn't a mafia traitor last game. He was just an informed goon.
The traitor was from a different game of mine.

[Noraa]

Btw I remembered wrong. Bob wasn't a mafia traitor last game. He was just an informed goon.
The traitor was from a different game of mine.

Did you go back and check the game thread?

yeah. the info's right this time I saw it with my two eyes.

[Noraa]

It'll take me a bit to remember these avatars. Im already confusing the ones with like two posts.

[Noraa]

It'll take me a bit to remember these avatars. Im already confusing the ones with like two posts.

speaking of avis why did you change yours

The current one is something I drew and I like it so that's that for now.

Btw I remembered wrong. Bob wasn't a mafia traitor last game. He was just an informed goon.
The traitor was from a different game of mine.

Did you go back and check the game thread?

yeah. the info's right this time I saw it with my two eyes.

Did you do it because of this?:

Bob got called out in the last game with me for only saying the word "fellow" in scum games. No one believed it at the time and we limmed the person that said it but they were right :/

Couldn't somebody have just searched Bob's games to find out whether that's true or not?

Why did this post put enough pressure on you to make you check the thread? Are you hyper self aware because your scum, or because you're Noraa?

Kinda confused but like the fellow thing had nothing to do with why I went back and checked. It was actually because I was talking about traitors elsewhere can't remember which thread but like someone said that traitors are a mafia member that isn't known to the mafia and the mafia only knows of their existence. I thought a traitor was like basically a RBer or something but Bob was def in the mafia thread from the start that game so I went back and checked and once I saw that I was like oh, huh so he wasn't a traitor. So I thought I'd share.

Doesnt really have much to do with being self aware and your attempt to dig into this is a bit concerning and kinda a red flag to me. Consider your past pocketing as cancelled out.

[Noraa]

Can everyone see my posts :<

lel yea

[Noraa]

I definitely find that a weird place to just flip out on me. Cuz it felt like he was indeed trying to pocket to some extent, even if only during RVS. The immediate flip afterwards over literally nothing was extremely weird to me. I don't understand why scum!Glitch or town!Glitch ever does that :/

[Noraa]

Hmm try a different approach and it'll work. The way you worded those two posts made me feel like you were having a dead serious scum read on me and I definitely do think that no matter what in the fuck I say, 4 pages in and you have a dead serious SR is a huge ginormous red flag. The way you worded it came off as highly accusational and I felt like you jumped too easily.

You "simply asked a question" and from my perspective, "I simply answered a question"
You are reading in too hard for page 4 and I am reading in too hard for page 4.
Both of us take a chill pill and all is good.

[Noraa]

You say things in accusational ways to me. You can't expect me to not read into it and throw some virtual paragraph slippers at you.

That be how Noraa world works :/

[Noraa]

Yes, I take the Albert B Rampage approach to scum hunting and am highly accusatory. I did accuse you. It gets a response I need. This is a game of accusations and resolutions over and over again until the end. As a town player, you should be okay with being accused and not immediately be like "Omg why are flipping out on me! You just be scum!" It's okay. People need to sort each other and I saw hyper self awareness that made me want to call you on it.

I get the whole slipper throwing thing. I do it too. But both of us can work on not throwing it so hard.

Except I do like ABR more than you :/
jkjk
but anyways throwing slippers is fun *throws one at your knee* take that

[Noraa]

@Glitch: Hi! 10 to 15 pages is a lot but thanks for clarifying

@Noraa: Did you draw your profile pic after seeing your role and why did you go for the flower?

I'm assuming that you ... for some reason think my prfpc has something to do with my alignment. If that is the case, I'll have you know that lel I'm legit in 7 different games. If prfpc meant something for alignment, I'd have to somehow roll all town for 7 games or all scum for 7 games. Btw that sounds like im overgamed but in fact im not cuz I'm dead in 4 of them. Prfpc is probably the worst possible way to try to determine alignment but you do you g.

[Noraa]

That aside, I drew my drawing like two days ago and I'm fairly certain I changed my prfpc before my role pm came in anyways.

[Noraa]

@Noraa: Gotcha! I was going to give you town points for it if it was after because it looks really innocent and nice which might be what you were feeling and thinking after you saw your role, but never mind :>

Aw shucks I missed out on some town cred lollipops. not cool. not cool.

I have a bad feeling about derp and beeboy now. Something seems off about the way derp is saying he's town..

I think its kinda funny and I imagine it as being said with extremely large amounts of sarcasm.

[Noraa]

Games where I don’t post a random vote in my first post as town are Newbies 977, 989, 1024, 1053, 1066, 1084, 1793, 1893, and 2035. So I’ve been doing exactly this for about ten years. Which again, anybody could have easily looked up. Unless they didn’t actually care and just wanted to cast suspicion on me, I guess.

In games 1075 and 1094, I place a random vote for people who don’t have avatars, but both of these games are from 2011 and I wouldn’t care about this sort of thing nowadays.

It's completely ok imo to not RV in the first post. I'm more concerned about the contrived reason you gave for not RV-ing. Why didn't you just say you do it all the time and quote your games?

You are reading in too hard for something said in the first 4 pages(ik ironic that im saying it right?)
I've seen town do stupid things. Take me for example.
My last town game, I was a novice 3 shot vig. I shot a mailman cop and a role watcher neighborizer nights 2 and 3. (I also got to E-2 day 1 of day 1 that game for being "flaily")
One of my older town games, I was a town RGB cop. I decided to go claim 3rd party scum and got myself eliminated day 2 for it.
you never know. and whatever Trendell has done is not half as scummy as things I've done before so im ignoring it.
Unless it persists into like page 40, I have zero problem with it

[Noraa]

Nora, doing stupid things is fine but having un-genuine reactions when asked about said stupid things is pretty scummy. Also not sure why you're white-knighting Trendall here after a whole lot of fluff postings.

I'd like to take all the credit for moving us out of RVS thank you very much.
All jokes aside, I think I have fluffed but I also think I have posted lots of game advancing(even if only a little ) content

[Noraa]

What makes you see SvS in nora glitch?

agree with this

[Noraa]

I didnt understand that part either plus he didnt quote any posts from either me or glitch which is weird considering that's the only important alignment stuff that he said

[Noraa]

What does pre-game mean and when will we leave it?

also was wondering this. I've never seen it before...

[Noraa]

Oh poor Jacko

[Noraa]

Hiraki I dont have much to say about you but if you think there's something of yours that I specifically need to reply to or you'd like a reply to, I'll do it.

[Noraa]

very begrudgingly tho

[Noraa]

Rip I thought ur game had some strange setup design so there was a pregame phase where we are supposed to do ???

[Noraa]

Fun fact: Trendells wagon looks really long except its an optical illusion

[Noraa]

Someone engage me. Bring us out of RVS. Im afraid we have gone back to RVS and quiet lurking land, home to the lurking alligators :P

[Noraa]

Someone engage me. Bring us out of RVS. Im afraid we have gone back to RVS and quiet lurking land, home to the lurking alligators :P

You tool credit for getting us out of rvs ya goof

where be my towncred lollipops?

[Noraa]

Page top!!!!
Also imma go sleep. G'night peoples

[Noraa]

Oh I just wanted to say Alligator cuz Jacko's song was called "alligator"

[Noraa]

we can talk about anything. tbh this game is not out of rvs. I entirely feel like I could spam two pages and talk about how fat marshmallows are yummy and no one would say a thing. That means we are still in rvs.

[Noraa]

ok fr now im off

[Noraa]

God I was about to leave but then I saw more posts. *sigh*
Jacko adores me to much to do anything to me

[Noraa]

I feel that this is a little bit contrived.

It feels more like you thought of this reason when asked.

Have you done this in any of your previous town games?

Great point here; I hadn't really figured out how to put that into words but I think this is accurate. I'm just trying to sort between whether Trendall's play is newbish, playstyle, or AI.

It's funny cuz nothing from Trendall has pinged me either way tho I think it is likely because Trendall has a similar play style to me :/

You are reading in too hard for something said in the first 4 pages

Slightly worrisome, Noraa. Just because it's early game doesn't mean that it's not okay to put effort into it when people act scummy. It feels like you're advocating for everyone to just shitpost until some magical thing happens and then we can actually start playing mafia.

I mean im not but ok lel.
+ I have a slight obsession with rvs tbh
rvs = noraa's play time

Plusjoyed was quick to come to Glitch's defense so I'mma note down that if one is mafia the other is also maybe mafia.

This would be a fair concern except that I bus the hell out of my teammates when I play scum. I freaking LOVE rolling scum but have just had bad luck of rolling green for so long on this site. BAGH

@Glitch: You love playing as mafia?! It's soooo stressful for me :< Puzzles are more fun than lying but that's just a Staarling's opinion. Also also does this mean I should be worried that you're having so much fun in this game? You seem really upbeat and happy, like, positive vibes but is that actually a bad thing?

God I love your post style. You use the :< face and you talk in third person. Apply now to become a Noraa tsunami

If we're struggling to get serious stuff going, how about we get no one today and try on the next day? We'll have a night of information then to work things out VOTE: Skip?

.....but no. that's not what we're doing.

[Noraa]

If we're struggling to get serious stuff going, how about we get no one today and try on the next day? We'll have a night of information then to work things out VOTE: Skip?

I love this post ngl.

Why? Because Staarling is cute or because you like No Lunch?

Im the only cute one >:(
no stealies

[Noraa]

NUUUUUUUUUUUU never. I will not share my title >:(

[Noraa]

Btw Glitch I still see nothing pingy in Trendall's posts

[Noraa]

I am very null there so I'm not voting there

[Noraa]

Lel give it some time. Im sure it'll get better once everyone starts talking. Glitch'll hav more to work with.

[Noraa]

Honestly speaking, I think I'd be sus of him no matter what he said if he didn't vote in rvs cuz doing it is just weird but I've come to realize that not voting first post will always look sketch but its normally not a scum that's doing it.

[Noraa]

I'm sorry but I have a history of being super defensive. My last town game, I got to E-2 day 1 of day 1 because someone started tunneling me like three pages in. I got extremely defensive and nearly died as a novice 3 shot vig.
defensiveness I categorize as a personality trait moreso than an alignment indicative factor. If this wagon builds up enough, it'll get to a point where we will have to flip him out of paranoia and if it gets to that point, I will jump on. For now, I believe it to be more a personality type of thing than anything else cuz that's how I personally am. Deal with it. Im biased.

[Noraa]

But also, glitch, don't tunnel 9 pages in...
its just not a good idea imo and it feels bad being tunneled early on.

[Noraa]

ARGH I always end up SRing plus really fast. I legit cannot read you ever.
*Sigh*
I cannot. Literally there's not a single game where I don't think ur super scummy ;(

[Noraa]

Why does it feel like Trendall and Noraa are both scum?
If Trendall flips scum I would be inclined to vote Noraa next.

And why does it feel like opportunistic scum!Keita just hopped on the wagon with the most potential without questioning anything? Threw some light shade at you but yes, I would like an explanation for why you joined the Trendell wagon and "I just sheeped Glitch" is not an ok answer

I am questioning bc town mislims often by tunneling someone and being like "omg ur reactions suck" but like unless they are super experienced, normally the reactions aint gonna be hot :/

[Noraa]

does derp have a readslist?

[Noraa]

I sincerely likey the way you talk tho

[Noraa]

u be missing out then.

[Noraa]

I like hiraki.
Townbin for now.
Don't see a point in going to in depth with this read as its only page 10, but the vibes are hella on point with what I normally look for in town. If I got to nominate a town leader figure, this would be jackpot.

[Noraa]

*too

[Noraa]

I think Trendall is a townie because that's a looooooot of words and I think it's hard for mafia to write so much right now, because we don't any good information

I ... do not think that's how it works.

:<

its ok you will get better. I have only played 2+ months and I'm a pro (not really but I wouldn't say I'm terrible)

[Noraa]

Theres a shit ton of walls in this 1v1 and truth be told, I sincerely want to just be like *snip* begone but I'll force myself to read them tomorrow hopefully.

[Noraa]

If it helps, I've dropped that theory. I have more equity in noraa scum now though. Keita 230 is right on the ball with how I am feeling there.

hmmmm. maybe a look through noraa's iso is needed.

ooo I didn't actually see Hiraki said this. interesting. I'd be really interested to hear a follow up post on that.

[Noraa]

A few things to note so far into the game:
1) I dont have a reads list yet. I'll try to get one soon but nothings clicking with me well enough yet :<
2) Plus is being awfully quiet. I have a terrible time trying to sort this slot and I literally almost always end up SRing this slot. Like legit last time I was in a game with him, I was scum and I legit for a second was like gosh plus is really sus. But seriously he is NEVER this quiet. I have super duper conflicting feelings about plus bc I straight up have never read him right before but I'd like to hear him respond to this as well as other people's opinions on Plus this game. Dont just look at this game tho. Def check out some meta bc he tends to always be a lil scummy and I have a hard time determining how scummy does he have to act for me to know he legitimately rolled scum bc I really can't tell.
3) aggressiveness idk if its normal for glitch cuz in the large theme that just ended with glitch, I do not think he tunneled me this hard. Like I was annoyed but I felt trendall was really frustrated at one point.
4) Do not be fooled by Bob's towniness. He fooled me to hell and back in Random facts. I take it that he just has a really towny playstyle but I haven't found what exactly can determine whether or not he is scum.
5) that's all for today. thanks for coming to my ted talk

[Noraa]

4) I should clarify. My point is do not give a town pass that easily cuz it is not outside of his scum range at all.

[Noraa]

I literally dont even. U just always seem so scummy. I try so hard to understand that your play style is scummy but my scum radar always pings.

[Noraa]

^spoil walls please
I think I want my vote on glitch for now. The tunneling, tho not abnormal in mafia, normally comes from scum this early in a game. And it leading nowhere kinda tells me one of them is likely scum :/
TvT's get uglyVOTE: glitch

[Noraa]

Yeah, my rvs vote was on glitch. I just voted again for emphasis but regardless, my wifi's a bit bad but I'll reply in a hot sec once I go fix that.

[Noraa]

Theres a ton of different play styles on this site and mine, if you dont mind some self meta, is very impulsive and often more emotionally than logically driven. My meta shows it quite clearly(I ..... shot two prs last time I was vig but dont worry I'm not vig here so all will be fine with regards to that). A lot of people dislike that I WK'ed Trendall. Yeah, I do butt into other's business and overreact over things like this cuz I personally know that if I get tunneled day 1, legit regardless of my alignment, I am 90% dying that day. I react so shit to pressure it's not even funny. And the moment I felt like Trendall was getting legit upset(like I do when getting tunneled), I was like ok no like no this is not ok. I still stand by this and will defend anyone that is put in a situation where I believe regardless of alignment, they will react badly. I think I'm happy it solved itself except normally tunneling that results in mutual TRs are suuuuper sketch. I dont think that normally happens in TvTs bc normally both are confident and stubborn af and then just death tunnel each other(that's kinda what happened the one time I was tunneled really hard :/)

I think I need to read over that 1v1(Got lazy) and try to determine which is scum bc personally I believe TvTs where both sides get genuinely upset generally result in heavy tunneling from both sides(correct me if I'm wrong)

I think for a quick reads list:
I think no point is efforting too much day 1 if scum. I think a town lean is 100% appropriate cuz I generally dont see scum effort walls this early in the game.
Plus, I've decided is just town. Yeah .. I flip flopped a few but overall, I believe he is frustrated that I have always sussed him pretty hard and scum would be more panicked than annoyed/frustrated.
Flubber I want to say is town because of all the uncertainty. Beginning lots of sentences with things like hmmm or uh is something that I find town does far more than scum. The reason is pretty obvious. Lel cuz scum legit know everyone's alignment whereas town does not and is therefore much less confident.
GlitchvTrendall I believe to be SvT for the reasons stated tho my experience is not much so I could be wrong that that is the norm.
Staarling said a lot of things that had I not known she was a noob, I would've been like "how can a person be this scummy?"
I think this is newbtown bc no matter what, her partners would've told her to shut it for a bit bc although she is a newb, a lot of things she's suggesting are ... antitown to say the least and scums would be worried to be found out and tell her to shush.
I like Hiraki. super towny vibes. town book for now.
Everyone else is tbd

[Noraa]

Holy fuck my wifi sucks. Ten attempts to submit later, it finally posts

[Noraa]

Unfair that glitches posts went thru faster cuz mine were done and ready to post before he even posted >:(

[Noraa]

also sorry for the wall. Those r annoying to read and I always whine about reading them lmao :/
I was gunna do self meta and readslist separately but then got hella bored waiting for my wifi to stop being an asshole.
let's hope my wifi dont keep it up otherwise y'all gonna get hella walls

[Noraa]

Noraa, if you had to choose which of Glitch v Trendall is the scum and why?

In TvTs that get big and die down, I generally always think the tunneler is the scum unless the one being tunneled did some crazy shit.

[Noraa]

I believing tunneling completely cancels out the high efforting. I have a super low tolerance for tunneling just because I hate it and I feel like its just mean especially before page ten. Like, I understand and can accept page 40+ tunneling even tho I still dislike it but really, page ten, I have a really hard time accepting. I hate it so much. high efforting is 100% town indicative imo bc I have much less motivation to high effort as scum and I do think that's how most people are. But high efforting in the form of tunneling, I greatly dislike and in general, I have seen more scums tunnel than town.

[Noraa]

sure I can go meta you.

see, I really dont want to go into that cuz really, it ends up being a personal opinion. not necessarily right but something that I currently believe in based off of my own experience. I know plenty of people that disagree and I'm not interested in engaging a 1v1 just to end up with a conclusion of "we have different opinions and there's zero way we end up agreeing here"
For now, until you start doing townie things, or what I consider towny things, you are an SR for being overly aggressive and pokey and proddy towards someone so early in the game.

[Noraa]

Yes, it makes sense. Bear with me cuz I'm not meta-ing this week unless you only have like 3-4 pages to read

[Noraa]

My finals for this trimester's classes are all this week so be patient.

[Noraa]

In fact, truth be told I should really vla

[Noraa]

@mod vla until Friday afternoon

[Noraa]

I tunneled you pretty hard :/

[Noraa]

and I seem to always SR you. and I feel like I'm gonna put u as town and sort you day 2/3 cuz I hands down cannot sort you.

[Noraa]

"borrow"

[Noraa]

Im not caught up yet but here's a read that I have:

[Noraa]

Had some suspicions on Keita since a while ago that I didnt voice. Did an ISO. I think I'm moving my vote there.

First post : super uptight and basically spoilers to us that they will be using the noob card but future posts show us that they are 100000% NOT a noob.

jumps on the biggest wagon, not too strange but something to note regardless.

groups people. kinda hate that considering everyone sees that I've been wk'ing but saying if one is scum, the other is too is kinda .... not cool for a day 1 read. If Trendall ever flips green this game, I 100% see this as an attempt from scum to set up chain lims(trendall -> noraa). Plus, they throw shade at me but don't try to push or engage me .... until they ask me one singular question. I answer. They don't reply to my answer or say what's wrong with it but just directly vote me.

the progression is pretty unnatural and it lacks the townie spirit of engaging and pushing.

Keita's votes feel rather opportunistic and none of them really had a progression or reason to back it up. VOTE: Keita

engage me.

[Noraa]

Happy scum day or birthday whichever it is and now I will be replying to this wall.

Spoiler:

Yeah, I do butt into other's business and overreact over things like this cuz I personally know that if I get tunneled day 1, legit regardless of my alignment, I am 90% dying that day.

And you're absolutely positive that you react the same way under pressure as town and scum? Can anyone who's played with Nora give opinions on this?

I react so shit to pressure it's not even funny.

Looks like you're doing just that imo.

And the moment I felt like Trendall was getting legit upset(like I do when getting tunneled), I was like ok no like no this is not ok. I still stand by this and will defend anyone that is put in a situation where I believe regardless of alignment, they will react badly.

More emotional appeal that has nothing to do with finding scum. You don't seem as someone who makes confident reads, what makes you think he's town in the first place anyway?

Noraa, if you had to choose which of Glitch v Trendall is the scum and why?

In TvTs that get big and die down, I generally always think the tunneler is the scum unless the one being tunneled did some crazy shit.

Can you answer my previous question? What makes you think scum would necessarily tunnel on day one?

I like Hiraki. super towny vibes. town book for now.

I'll explain more later -

Vote: nopointactingup

An ultra town read that came out of nowhere and an immediate chain-saw defense. Connection noted.

Nopo calls Trendall sheepish here for voting glitch off his little tiff with Noraa, and that's a little misleading for a couple reasons: Noraa wasn't voting glitch at the time and I don't personally think Noraa was at a place where she was inspiring sheep. Feels like a stretchy reason to give for voting Trendall and a way to gas Noraa up at the same time.

This is a failed attempt to undermine me. Nora voted Glitch on her third post of the game.

1) I didn't say my reaction is the same. I do not believe they are the exact same as that'd be pretty impossible BUT they are all bad is my point.
2) uh ok? I do react badly to pressure yeah.
3) I never said I thought he was scum? Like I just said that people normally don't react well to early pressure regardless of alignment and that's why I'm defending.
4) I generally think tunneling is considered towny which is why scums do it much more to look protown.
5) Hiraki has a SR on me in case you didn't realize that

you seem to misrep me a lot. Highly dislike but not sure if its AI. We'll see ig.

[Noraa]

Trendall (4) - Flubbernugget, Glitch, nopointinactingup, Keita

Trendall (4) - Flubbernugget, nopointinactingup, Keita, PlusJOYED

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Trendall was the biggest wagon in the game so far. It is unlikely that the largest wagon so far had 0 scum on it. If we zoom into each one of the players who have been on the Trendall wagon, here are each of their takes on Trendall and how they handled that wagon. I am not including mine because it I had a 2 hour 1v1 with him and it would be way too many quotes to post. If you want to read my thoughts and interactions with Trendall, please go to my ISO and the majority will probably be about Trendall.

Spoiler: Flub regarding Trendall

VOTE: trendall

the question is more why did you not vote in general?

By not voting and seeing how people react to that, I am participating in the beginning stages of the game just as much as anybody else is.

Ok but it doesn't seem to be doing much so you might want to rethink your strategy here

1) If you're not being cooperative, then what are you doing? This is mafia. This is a game where you need to figure out if X, Y and Z are scum and then get A, B, C, D, and E to vote for X, Y and Z. If you find X, Y and Z but Y is also making A through E think you are scum, you've effectively done nothing. I honestly smell a lot of miselim bait on your wagon which is why I am super apprehensive on my vote on you. However, you are not helpful to town at the moment.

2) Why does that make Glitch scum? Because they're wrong? Isn't that the exact same point that you're making? Giving up isn't exactly a towntell in anyone's book FYI.

Everybody knows that this is very early on in the game where little of any significance happens, so if somebody is starting to talk to me about how I haven't done reams and reams of analysis yet, then that is suspect because everybody knows that nobody's reads are massively serious right now necessarily. If something happens that I think is interesting then I'll pick up on it, and as it happens I think that nothing relevant has happened so far in this game other than I think that Flubbernugget is more likely to be town, and that it's unlikely that all of the other players who jumped on voting me are town too.

Glitch's questions are just...I don't know how to explain but this isn't how you get information out of people. Watch a couple of episodes of Columbo or something to see how it's done properly. His questions are very much putting words in my mouth, bombarding me with stuff left right and centre, trying to catch me out. If you're questioning somebody with the intention of making them slip up, like you've already decided what the answers are going to be as he obviously has done, then the person will slip up, it's pointless, it's a waste of time. Like he's certain his technique works, I'll flip town, and he'll just carry on game after game doing the exact same thing without ever evaluating where he made a mistake.

He's already said to me 'if you were town you would have done this instead'. So if he already knows everything about what I would do in a given situation and I have already breached that, then what possible reason would there be to respond to his points further? Then there's all this theatrical stuff about 'oh this should be the definition of omgus on the wiki'. If he thinks something I've said is 'contrived' then there's nothing I can do about that other than say 'no it wasn't'. Saying something is 'contrived' is nothing, it's not an argument, it's just a person looking at a post and going 'I don't like the look of this because of a gut feeling', how could you possibly argue that further? He says that I am 'panicky' and 'feel pressured' which again, I can say 'I'm clearly not' and then we're at a stalemate. You can't reason with a person if that's the extent of their arguments.

And again, with your question 'why does that make him scum?', I never said it did, so again that's a leading question trying to paint is as though I made a bad argument as to him being mafia when I never made such an argument at all. Like I say, his original question against Noraa was unreasonable, I thought that made him slightly more likely to be mafia than anybody else at that point given that I have no other reads, hence my vote is on him for the time being. It's not like a strong read, I don't care about it very much, but apparently if I don't vote for anybody then everybody complains about that too. As for the motivations for his arguing against me, that could go either way so I wouldn't present any of that as being in favour of him being mafia. I'm just saying that either way, nobody should be looking at his arguments against me and thinking 'yeah they're good arguments we should eliminate Trendall'.

Nothing I have done is tantamount to 'giving up' and I couldn't care less what is and isn't a 'towntell' lol.

hmmm. I think i need to look through glitch/trendall's dual ISO too.

ugh. effort.

I think Trendall is a townie because that's a looooooot of words and I think it's hard for mafia to write so much right now, because we don't any good information

meh. it's rambly but there's some stuff in there.

I'm only up to page 11 but so far there seems to be a dynamic where glitch does the questioning and trendall does the answering and I'm not the most fond of it

Lots of resistance to this trendall wagon

I think we are on the right track

Spoiler: NoPoint on Trendall

@Thoughts about shits and gigglez at the beginning: I'd keep a note to myself that the 3 participants is leaning town based on the conversation. I also think it's a townish sign to start the first wagon quickly since scum benefit from stalling the game. Noraa, Gitch, Plus can be town for now.

the question is more why did you not vote in general?

By not voting and seeing how people react to that

, I am participating in the beginning stages of the game just as much as anybody else is.

I feel that this is a little bit contrived. It feels more like you thought of this reason when asked. Have you done this in any of your previous town games?

VOTE: bob

Not enough drama
Lockscum

VOTE: bob

This blind vote leaves me feeling flubber is town. The fourth vote on the first rvs wagon is almost always from town especially the more blind it is. As scum tend to have trepidation when voting a townie on the first rvs wagon i find. They might vote early or after the ice is broken but not that on the tipping point between being nearer no votes and being near exec.

Based on this response to the wagon I'm leaning town on Bob because he's showing scum-hunting intent rather than self-preservation.

t doesn't seem to be doing much

How do you know? I could have figured out who all the mafia are by now for all you know.

This seems defensive. Keeping knowledge and even reads and opinions secret are bad for town and good for scum.

Agree with what Noraa says in post #88, I thought the same thing too before she said it.

VOTE: Glitch

This feels really sheepish. Which part of Nora's post do you agree with? Why do you think scum-Glitch would necessarily try to push on Nora when you are his biggest suspect?

VOTE: Vote:Trendall

It feels more like you thought of this reason when asked. Have you done this in any of your previous town games?

Yes, virtually all of them as far as I can remember. Certainly all the ones I've played this year. A person can easily look this up.

I checked 3 of your latest games.
The latest game you did RV on your first post and was town.
Two games before you did not RV and was scum in one and town in another.
But you didn't mention

not voting on purpose to facilitate discussion

on any of the games so I'm still inclined to believe you made it up.

Games where I don’t post a random vote in my first post as town are Newbies 977, 989, 1024, 1053, 1066, 1084, 1793, 1893, and 2035. So I’ve been doing exactly this for about ten years. Which again, anybody could have easily looked up. Unless they didn’t actually care and just wanted to cast suspicion on me, I guess.

In games 1075 and 1094, I place a random vote for people who don’t have avatars, but both of these games are from 2011 and I wouldn’t care about this sort of thing nowadays.

It's completely ok imo to not RV in the first post. I'm more concerned about the contrived reason you gave for not RV-ing. Why didn't you just say you do it all the time and quote your games?

the question is more why did you not vote in general?

By not voting and seeing how people react to that, I am participating in the beginning stages of the game just as much as anybody else is.

Yes you did, but this is your initial reaction

Nora, doing stupid things is fine but having un-genuine reactions when asked about said stupid things is pretty scummy. Also not sure why you're white-knighting Trendall here after a whole lot of fluff postings.

I'd like to take all the credit for moving us out of RVS thank you very much.
All jokes aside, I think I have fluffed but I also think I have posted lots of game advancing(even if only a little ) content

What game advancing contents are you talking about .. I've yet to seen you post anything substantial despite all the fluff and you haven't moved your vote at all from RVS.

Yes which there is nothing wrong with.

There is nothing wrong with it except for the high likelihood that you made it up on the spot. At the very least it's a bit weird and defensive.

Unless they didn’t actually care and just wanted to cast suspicion on me, I guess.

Do you consider it AI to cast suspicion on players in the first 5 pages without any reason to suspect them?

Can you clarify AI? Sorry, old-fashioned player here.
Edit: Got it

@Thoughts about shits and gigglez at the beginning: I'd keep a note to myself that the 3 participants is leaning town based on the conversation. I also think it's a townish sign to start the first wagon quickly since scum benefit from stalling the game. Noraa, Gitch, Plus can be town for now.

Weird.

This seems defensive. Keeping knowledge and even reads and opinions secret are bad for town and good for scum.

The post was clearly in jest - you even said it yourself - "thoughts about shits and gigglez". This is weak and weird.

Is there any particular aspect of it you find weak and weird? The logic of your post eludes me.

Which part of Nora's post do you agree with?

Why is this important? What produces town to say that they like X part and scum to say they have Y part?

It's important because I am trying to gauge whether Trendall's vote on Glitch was because Trendall genuinely thought Glitch was scum or because he was trying to start an opportunistic counter wagon to save himself. When people sheep votes without adding to the evidence or thoughts behind their vote, it's generally not a town sign.

Are you saying that you only random vote as scum? That would be a pretty lame way to play.

No, I've only drawn a mafia sided role on this site once. And in that game I never placed a random vote at the start of the game. Why would I ever do what you're suggesting?

Do you see my point Trendall? From my perspective, the only time you were scum you didn't place a random vote and in this game you didn't place a random vote PLUS making up a strange reason for not placing that vote.

@Thoughts about shits and gigglez at the beginning: I'd keep a note to myself that the 3 participants is leaning town based on the conversation. I also think it's a townish sign to start the first wagon quickly since scum benefit from stalling the game. Noraa, Gitch, Plus can be town for now.

Now, as much as your pocket is enticing, I'm gonna have to pass.
What makes you think scum wouldn't participate in shits and gigglez early on? I do agree about the bob wagon though.

In my experience, scum usually stay behind the scene, stall the game and make town lynch randomly. That being said, I only think the shit and giggles are slight town sign not overwhelming.

I feel that this is a little bit contrived.

It feels more like you thought of this reason when asked.

Have you done this in any of your previous town games?

Great point here; I hadn't really figured out how to put that into words but I think this is accurate. I'm just trying to sort between whether Trendall's play is newbish, playstyle, or AI.

I don't think Trendall is new he has loads of games. It is fair to say that he does abstain from RV in a lot of his games as town and scum, so I don't see why he has to shut down as town when suspicion was thrown his way.
Edit: After reading through his wall of post, I suppose it is possible that Trendall was just a super defensive town player. Scum is slightly more likely to make things up under pressure but it would be an overstatement to say town never does this.

If we're struggling to get serious stuff going, how about we get no one today and try on the next day? We'll have a night of information then to work things out VOTE: Skip?

I don't think this is a good idea. If we lynch scum it's great. If we mislynch at the very least we have some information. NL is not good.

But also, glitch, don't tunnel 9 pages in...
its just not a good idea imo and it feels bad being tunneled early on.

Isn't this the point though. Tunneling helps bring out emotions and thoughts that are difficult to hide. Then town can analyze them as a collective to distinguish between town and scum. I'm little bit harsh here but if you feel personally offended then mafia might not be a great game for you.

If he truly thought I were scum, he would engage me, ask me question, poke around, and then case me. But he doesn't.

So this is the crux of the problem for me, the guy's way of playing this game is going 'mafia act like this, and town act like this', and in reality people act in all different ways irrespective of their alignment due to personality styles and play styles and whatever else. So I know already, if I don't 'act right', he's going to think I'm mafia, and if I do make any attempt to 'act right' he'll accuse me of contriving reasons and so forth, he's completely inconsistent with what he wants from me. So I'm just stuck here, aren't I? There's nothing I can do about it other than hope that if I get lynched the other players in the game are capable of interpreting what's happened.

So did you make an attempt to "act right" when you made that post about not RV-ing to bring up discussion? Honestly I can think of ways you could have done that as town or scum so shutting down and refusing to communicate only cause people to suspect you more.

Why does it feel like Trendall and Noraa are both scum?
If Trendall flips scum I would be inclined to vote Noraa next.

we can maybe be friends actually, could u elaborate on this?

It seems to me Noraa is trying really hard to strike a balance between deflecting the Trendall accusations without seeming like they are buddied. See post 198.

I agree with this. I think post 198 even indicate Nora scum even in the case Trendall is town. It's just very weird to white-knight someone as if you knew their alignment.

@Wall of text between Glitch and Trendall: This actually makes me feel a little better about Trendall since his post does seem emotionally coherent. For now I feel the trendall wagon has been productive.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Nora
Crimes include fluff posting, white-knighting for no reason and constant emotional appeal.

Well, on my part it was just this relentless stream of excellent well argued points that could not more clearly have come from a town-sided player. I mean I'm sure for anybody reading it...it must have been like 'woah this guy couldn't be more town', and then I'd post another post and it'd be like 'shiiiit I didn't even know it was

possible

for a player to be that obviously aligned with the town, this is amazing, what a great player'.

Glitch was pretty towny too. I'm not sure whether he thinks I'm town or mafia at this point or how confident he is about anything, but he did unvote me because I guess he felt like he got everything he needed to from that avenue of inquiry for now.

So basically at this point you have a very strong town read on me and a fairly confident town read on Glitch too.

Then again this post feels super odd, like a gloat when you've managed to stave off pressure as scum.

This is a prod dodge. It seems like a lot of content has been generated, I'm taking a close look in 4 hours

13 pages in 3 days is rookie numbers. Last mini we had like a 150+ page day 1.

LOL xD What happened to the meta. In my days, people get lynched for posting random bs

Spoiler: Keita on Trendall

I’m going to go ahead and VOTE: Trendall

Why does it feel like Trendall and Noraa are both scum?
If Trendall flips scum I would be inclined to vote Noraa next.

Why does it feel like Trendall and Noraa are both scum?
If Trendall flips scum I would be inclined to vote Noraa next.

we can maybe be friends actually, could u elaborate on this?

It seems to me Noraa is trying really hard to strike a balance between deflecting the Trendall accusations without seeming like they are buddied. See post 198.

Noraa, if you had to choose which of Glitch v Trendall is the scum and why?

Spoiler: PLUSjoyed's on Trendall

Sorry but Glitch is all rigid-thinking and acronyms, his analysis is a nightmare, he's probably mafia anyway, there's no way that I'm answering any of those questions that he asked me.

thats not a good sign

This guy has no idea how to find mafia whatsoever.

do you 2 have a messy history together or do you not know glitch?

I'm on glitches side with this one
I don't think he's tunneling, I do think Trendall is being a tad uncooperative. Idk what to make of that

I also wanna note that flub dissappeared after I voted them. Seems kinda scummy.

VOTE: trendall

I'm on glitches side with this one
I don't think he's tunneling, I do think Trendall is being a tad uncooperative. Idk what to make of that

I also wanna note that flub dissappeared after I voted them. Seems kinda scummy.

VOTE: trendall

WOAH don't like this.

Picking sides why? You say in this post you don't know what to make of trendall (despite voting them) so does this mean you townread glitch? Or you agree with his logic, but not so far as to actually scumread trendall? Looks like a shameful pocket attempt on glitch

ehhh it was more getting something to happen during rvs

Ratings:
Flub: D
NoPoint: A+
Keita: C-
PLUSjoyed: D-

I'm still staying on Noraa at this point but I will compromise onto {PLUSjoyed / derp} and am open to discussions on JohnnyFarrar, Flub, and maybe Keita.

Just being honest though I would love to just PL derp today because of how inaccurate our shot is going to be anyway and (no offense) but scum will let that slot live until endgame with the shallow and non-threatening playstyle. If we have a D1 lynch that we are going to be the least accurate with we could at least redeem it for something useful that could help us in endgame. I promise I'm not trying to be rude or mean at all but I am trying to play the game to win. There's no way to sort derp and 86ing that slot today would probably be my biggest preference. Noraa would be good too. Others are considerable.[/quote]

You just threw shade at all of the wagon but then left a vote on me. Interesting.

I guess I'm a hyperposter now. Noraa was right, it does feel good.

Ha. TOLD YA

Huh, thirteen players. Felt more like eleven.

feels more like 2.

[Noraa]

Yeah idk what went wrong with that formatting.

[Noraa]

4) I generally think tunneling is considered towny which is why scums do it much more to look protown.

greetings noraa,
this is derp
i would like u to elaborate on this a bit
best regards
dear derp

tunneling is considered a town tell overall but I believe scums tunnel more.

[Noraa]

Jacko u dient fix my cursed post

[Noraa]

Why did you back off Trendall glitch?

Because his responses felt townie to me. He made excellent points about understanding play style and his stubbornness and the later cooperative nature both feel townie to me.

From what I understand, ur play has been like "agree with me or else"

[Noraa]

is this how a normal game plays out here? this is confusing :<

I don't think this is how normal games *normally* play out day 1. Generally .... the game starts stalling day 2 and on. Not sure why this one stalled so early.

[Noraa]

Honestly your play this game has absolutely just been like "agree with me or else"
Take a hot look at ur TRs and SRs and you can tell VERY clearly who didn't agree with you on everything.

[Noraa]

so why do u believe it is a town tell?

its not.

[Noraa]

so why do u believe it is a town tell?

its not.

then why did u say that tunneling was generally considered towny?

tunneling is generally considered towny. I think thats true but I disagree with it.

[Noraa]

Because I've been TRed for tunneling before. Or at least I think that's why. It was also because of some other reasons like ... town was missing town power and so my claim made me basically conftown.
The game I'm referencing is a recent finished town game of mine called Random Facts.

[Noraa]

well dear and very trustworthy derp is here to tell u that there is no such thing as "tunneling is generally town" so u should shame people who say that

[Noraa]

I didn't understand why you thought this was a hectic account ngl. Pstyle is quite different and I, personally do not believe hectic can pull off such a cutesy and adorable look. Tho its possible I've been influencing him :3

[Noraa]

I do know that hectic can pull off extremely weird shit in his alts. I've seen some and its p insane but he's not the cutesy type :/

[Noraa]

FYI deadline is in 2 days.

holy fuckaroles

[Noraa]

derp believes it is hectic

really?

[Noraa]

I honestly feel like dear derp is more likely to be hectic than Staarling but idk.

[Noraa]

A summary of the evidence @Noraa. It's late here so I might have missed a piece or two.

-Hectic frequently plays with gimmicks under his alts. Including one where he played pretending to be a new player (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83358). I'm fairly sure he mentioned (months ago) one where he pretended to be new and asked a lot of stuff about why no lethal d1 and what omgus means etc, but not sure where.

-Hectic always sets his 'last online' status to off. I'd be surprised if before playing any games, Staarling worked out how to turn this off and turned it off. I don't think they started with an avatar either right?

-Hectic is in no other games under his main right now so is almost 100% playing under an alt somewhere at the moment.

-At least two-three of Hectic's games (under his name, so you'd expect his next ones to be with an alt) right before Staarling signed up for the game.

-Staarling has hit every mark that you'd expect a Hectic parody of a new player to hit including: 'Let's not lethal d1', questions about the edit button and 'what does pregame mean' feeling a bit as though they knew/were asking a lot of stuff to try and look new. Plus a lot of their reasons for suspicions/town reads on people seeming obvnewb simplistic.

-I've never seen someone ask if posts can be edited iirc, so the above pings me a lot as a question I thing fakenew Hectic is a lot more likely to ask than a real new player.

-A lot of the posting pings me as thinking that I could absolutely see Hectic writing it (I know Hectic fairly well irl btw, we've played hundred of hours of mafia together for one).

-Even starting their first post with 'Hi' pings Hectic because we joke about the 'newbie entrance tell' of new scum being more likely to use a h based greeting a lot. Fake/exaggerated new town Hectic would prob use that

-The homeforum thing makes me suspicious about the origin.

Bruh you just fucking gave me full body chills LMFAO

[Noraa]

Derp is confirmed not Hectic based on them playing together elsewhere.

oh ok ok. I thought derp's gimmick seemed like something hectic would wanna pull lmao

[Noraa]

Does that mean you buy the Hectic-alt case too now, or that you think I'm just ridiculously paranoid?

you've successfully made me ridiculously paranoid. I don't know but I'm paranoid now.

[Noraa]

What are your reads atm Noraa?

I don't like Glitch or Keita. I'm not gonna even try to engage Glitch rn cuz frankly, its just frustrating and I have no interest spending my time talking to a wall.
Keita hasn't done anything to even slightly change my mind.
Half this game is dead. I literally feel like I'm in the dead thread with all the silence and stalling. I hands down just want this day to be over.

[Noraa]

Well I'm sorry but that is entirely how I am seeing this game right now. I just feel like my opinions will be squashed the moment I engage you so I have found zero point in doing so.

[Noraa]

I townread you btw Noraa, don't know if i mentioned that.

I don't think you have but also more importantly, why?

[Noraa]

I'd say the lynch today should realistically be someone in the bottom 50% of posts

ok but who

[Noraa]

This feels extremely compromised and not a flip that any of us will get much out of even if, best case scenario, plus flips red.
Whatever.
Deadline nearing. no-lim is not an option imo.
VOTE: Plus

[Noraa]

Ok, this game is stalling. We need to hurry up and pile up this wagon otherwise we won't have enough time to make a new one if plus is a pr.

[Noraa]

Oh shit I didnt see the pedits
UNVOTE:

[Noraa]

unless theres a cc, I will just be considering this locktown.

[Noraa]

VOTE: Flub

I buy the claim. Was the softclaim I spotted for doc intended?

why flub? I want Keita but keitas coasting and its hard to read a person that coasts the moment they get one SR -________-

[Noraa]

also no one agrees with me on Keita >:(

[Noraa]

Did you have any thoughts on my thoughts on Keita?

quote the post please I since a while ago, forgot

[Noraa]

Oh oh right! I remember seeing this post. Ur defense is p weak imo. I wrote quite a bit about Keita and a tiny tiny lil paragraph gonna have to be top top notch for me to change my mind :/

[Noraa]

Had some suspicions on Keita since a while ago that I didnt voice. Did an ISO. I think I'm moving my vote there.

First post : super uptight and basically spoilers to us that they will be using the noob card but future posts show us that they are 100000% NOT a noob.

jumps on the biggest wagon, not too strange but something to note regardless.

groups people. kinda hate that considering everyone sees that I've been wk'ing but saying if one is scum, the other is too is kinda .... not cool for a day 1 read. If Trendall ever flips green this game, I 100% see this as an attempt from scum to set up chain lims(trendall -> noraa). Plus, they throw shade at me but don't try to push or engage me .... until they ask me one singular question. I answer. They don't reply to my answer or say what's wrong with it but just directly vote me.

the progression is pretty unnatural and it lacks the townie spirit of engaging and pushing.

Keita's votes feel rather opportunistic and none of them really had a progression or reason to back it up. VOTE: Keita

engage me.

[Noraa]

derp is okay with trading, yeet the lying surplusjoy

dumb this down for me. I do not believe this claim is fake and unless you are a doctor, I do not think you should continue to push this wagon.

[Noraa]

if noraa somehow disappears now i think we all know what that means, not a good play dear noraa

excuse me? I have a life and I have other games.

[Noraa]

noraa who was clearly around suddenly disappearing at this stage to either even when she was vocal about us nearing deadline and having to get a wagon going leads derp to believe it is because she does not want to take a stance or hope to stall it till deadline and this on top of the weird interaction with anti minus guy makes noraa not look very good, definitely not as good as dear derp

Bro. You realize that even if I wanted to get a wagon going, I'd have to magically spawn like 5 votes to make the wagon I want go thru. For the cc, I'm not sure which one to believe as of rn and I'd like to ask for other's opinions. I think I believe the plus claim and I frankly think that if scum!plus really wanted to fake claim, he could go with something much more low-key that's less likely to be cc'ed but would probably still save him from the rope. For example a weak pr like town checker or something.

[Noraa]

oh but the dear derp checked that u did not post anywhere else

Maybe because I was on disc this entire time? This argument against me is kinda trash dont you think? I was dming my hydra partners about stuff and then I went to eat lunch. I come back and dear derp is like "Noraa stopped talking = Noraa is scum"

[Noraa]

Just a standard doctor?

D1 hard CC is basically never scum right? Intent to vote plus.

no. In my first game on site, my partner cc'ed plus and plus was a fn that game.

[Noraa]

Is two doctors impossible in a normal?

I've never actually seen two of one role in a normal before.

[Noraa]

I'm feeling like one of them is scum but I have no idea why either thinks this is optimal play.

[Noraa]

Just a standard doctor?

D1 hard CC is basically never scum right? Intent to vote plus.

no. In my first game on site, my partner cc'ed plus and plus was a fn that game.

So your partner got voted out day 2? Was that a good trade?

I was a universal TR in that game so at the time it seemed ok.

[Noraa]

Yeah partner died day 2

[Noraa]

If Plusjoy is scum then his team must suck

no matter what the scum team is here, I have a gut feeling that they suck cuz legit half the game is just coasting. Sometimes I feel like theres only like two people playing.

[Noraa]

hopkirk my dear friend u always vote for the plus something guy here or perhaps the dear and innocent derp

Ok deadline's coming up. no one is saying shit. I dont particularly see the benefit in cc'ing a pr claim day 1. I'll believe dear derp one time.

VOTE: Plus

let's get this day over with.

[Noraa]

I have a hunch that the scum team might just be plus and two big time lurkers. Thats prolly why the claim wasn't well thought out. I think if theres a doc, scum must have like a RBer or something like that so claiming doc is dumb unless they did it just to draw out the doc in which case I would assume plus is a goon? Idk im bad at setup spec.

[Noraa]

If Plusjoy is scum then his partners are inactive/low activity players since nobody even tried to counterwagon when I offered Flubber/when Noraa was as large a wagon. A good scumteam wouldn't let it get to a scenario where one of them is getting lethaled because town are too low activity to lethal anyone else.

game is legit too dead for any of that shit.

[Noraa]

I believe some doctors can self protect and even if you aren't one that can, I doubt scums would know. Plus isnt bulletproof or whatever a thing?
Just dont tell us if you can self protect(because I think self protecting doctors exist?) and dont reveal anything else and scums will be too wary to kill you. Idk at least that's how I think about it.

[Noraa]

I dont believe you were hammered and I have a tendency to fake being hammered as scum so this is not helping your case at least for me :/

[Noraa]

Wait no way that actually was the hammer? derp was voting plus since a lot time ago. I dont think that was hammer. Lemme go count.

[Noraa]

[Noraa]

I have no words to say anymore. Just pure anger.

[Noraa]

Is two doctors impossible in a normal?

It’s possible

This scared me so bad. I slightly believe there are two doctors. That cc really just didn't make sense and if it came from scum, it legit was a super dangerous gambit.

[Noraa]

Quack (wait I'm not duckyboi)

Worstie where you at?

Right now I'm confident Staarling is Hectic and the whole push for no vote yesterday and not being online at end of day is strictly a terrible look for an experienced player to take.

I kinda believe Staarling is Hectic. Theres some setup spec that doesnt seem to come from a newbie and a lot of other stuff. Not completely sure tho.

Hopkirk, you were the hammer vote on Plusjoy yesterday, not Plusjoy herself. That action made no sense for your claim, this is why I'm not inclined to believe you.

Gonna reserve my vote for now to prevent possibility of a flash lynch. But my suspicion is definitely on derp and Hopkirk

Bruh? Derp/Hopkirk is the stupidest solve possible. One put his life on the line cc'ing a doc for ??? reason and the other put his life on the line saving the one that cc'ed. Like BRUH. If either of them flips red, we all immediately jump on the other. This would be extremely dangerous play if they were both scum. Like legit.

Derp if you have questions, you ask. You dont go I need to hear more about her fishy stuff.

[Noraa]

ego
~vanilla ice cream with crème fraîche slime

who this O_o

[Noraa]

Nopo being this concerned with setup is interesting and I would say perhaps its town indicative? As someone that never does setup spec no matter what, I dont understand it that hot but I do think that setup spec comes from town more than scum bc scum dont want town to know anymore about the setup than they started out with(basically nothing).
A lot of people SR this slot and honestly speaking, I dont see much wrong with this slot. They seem EH. Can someone make a case on him or reassess because I feel like I'm starting to TR this slot and I need some other opinions to help clear up my read.

[Noraa]

@slimeruralcommune - I'd like your thoughts on clubber and Jonny yeah.

has slime even said anything game related? Also who'd they replace?

[Noraa]

VOTE: flubber if I forgot to earlier

eggggggsplainn

[Noraa]

Me and Plus

*puts on grammar teacher glasses*

[Noraa]

They've said 'anyone want me to iso anyone'.

I saw the "I'd" as "I"

[Noraa]

We

is this a hydra? who be in it O_o

[Noraa]

Me and Plus agreed flubber was a really bad slot yesterday and I wanted to wagon him. I tried instead of voting between docs initially before giving up. My iso has many reasons I dislike the slot. I'm not needlessly restating stuff that you could read if you wanted to because I'm phoneposting.

I'll ISO you in a bit

[Noraa]

Ok so I skimmed the iso. I do not see a full case on Flubber. All I see is flip flopping between Nopo and Flubber for .... basically no reason. ISO takes it out of context but from what I see, you dont really have a case on either.

[Noraa]

ISO me!!! I wanna go next!

[Noraa]

Noraa is very active, but very few posts are game-related. Scumlean.
-Green Slime

Fair

[Noraa]

I can't catch up right now, life is too busy. Can I have a quick summary of where we are at? Is Derp off the table? Are we actually believing in 2 TOWN docs? From the little bit I have been able to play this game I am convinced Hopkirk is town.

Derp is off the table cuz enabler(Hopkirk) claimed. Still dont really understand wtf an enabler is but I think its just something that like confirms there are more than one doctors or something idk. Anyways, if you believe hopkirk is town, then u will have to believe derp's doc claim is real.

[Noraa]

also i think there could be more killing powers like a vigilante if there's 2 doctors

Bro. Two doctors + a vigi would be waaaaaay too overpowered I think. Im not a setup spec god but I'm pretty sure that two docs is already like extremely powerful.

[Noraa]

i think Hopkirk is definitely a townie and also Johnny too

Explain the Johnny read.

[Noraa]

why would there be two doctors if only the mafia can kill?

I'm not sure thats how it works because a vigi would be really messy here. Plus a vigi I hear cuts all other town pr's power down by like a half. Two doctors does not strike me as "cutting down on town power"

[Noraa]

it feeeeeeels like Johnny is trying to figure things out
do you think he's lying?

I dont really hear the "trying to figure things out" part but if you explain it with specifics maybe I'll understand?

[Noraa]

extrovert

what ... in the actual frick does this have to do with being an extrovert O_o
Ur right tho. Setup spec is p useless and garbage on day 2 but I mean ... aint no one really talking and I got basically nothing to work off of atm. Also how dare you disrespect them precious page tops.
*throws a slipper at you*

[Noraa]

i went back to see what Hiraki thought and why someone would want him dead, and he thought nopoint was mafia

I think its possible that this happened but what seems more likely is they saw a person that was taking up a town leader kind of position(there's room to argue here but I do believe that Hiraki was super towny and a town leader position sort of) and they just nk'ed there.

[Noraa]

Especially if I believe this is a hectic alt, this slot is low-key fishy. Like they push a lot of actively antitown things. Say they are a newbie but then often have posts that 100000% dont sound like a newbie made it. Also jumps on wagons for extremely strange things. I'm not a fan of the no point wagon nor am I a fan of the flubber wagon. Let's go here.
VOTE: Staarling

[Noraa]

Maf Doc could be real and I don't think it's been brought up yet. It would make sense if there's an enabler and a doc on each side and then for example the game could be stacked with some other town PRs that can't directly out the maf doc (gunsmith or tracker). It could balance it out nicely.

Regardless of the rest of setup spec I still don't buy derp's cc as town. Derp has shown a level of competency that demonstrates he has the ability to pull off what he has done so far as a maf doc. I honestly believe that's what's going on here. My vote stays

slime brought it up earlier but can you explain why derp doesn't seem towny? This above paragraph doesn't help too much.

[Noraa]

maf doc and town doc is kinda wild too :/

[Noraa]

two docs in general, no matter alignment is already wild :/

[Noraa]

dangerous beasts

how rude! All my hydras are like my babies. How dare you insult them!

[Noraa]

they are not really pushing in any direction

they are encouraging others to solve but aren't really solving themselves. Their ISO reads and conclusions are extremely shallow and provide close to zero content.

[Noraa]

Anyone going to wagon anyone except Noraa or nah?

the latter is more likely to happen in this stale cracker of a game.

[Noraa]

No. I want to see a staarling wagon. This slot is too quiet and isn't helping anyone. I do not believe scum ever kill this slot and I have zero chance of sorting this slot as the days go on and I get more paranoid of everyone.

[Noraa]

I also dont have a SR on nopo.

[Noraa]

You got a townread on NP Noraa?

hard to say. not sure what it is atm but its certainly not a SR.

[Noraa]

SR: Keita (hasn't even tried the least bit to seem town imo)
SL: Staarling
Null: shit ton of nulls
TL: Derpy, Hoppy
TR: MYSELF U_U
Hiraki used to be one of my strongest TRs T^T

[Noraa]

Neither is LHF. Keita talks nothing like a newbie and Staarling doesn't either. Neither has a big wagon which signals LHF. Both have laid low really successfully. I dont like it and I dont think either is LHF.

[Noraa]

Literally its actually stupid. All the wagons are on active people. Unless everyone here think the entire scum team is in the literal like 4 people that are actually talking, then we are certainly looking in the wrong places.

[Noraa]

Honestly, if that's your definition of LHF, everyone here that lurking(everyone basically except like 3 people) cant be sussed bc of their "LHF status"

[Noraa]

derp is lurking
Trendall is lurking
Glitch is lurking
Johnny is lurking
Flubber is lurking
Staarling is lurking
Keita is lurking

[Noraa]

What am I supposed to do with this entirely dead plist? None of the above people are active or defending themselves much when under pressure. According to you, they are all LHF. I started sussing Keita long ago. I'm starting a wagon on Staarling to see what comes of it and because I am SLing them. I have good reason to sus them and just because they lurk doesn't mean I cannot sus them.

[Noraa]

Flubber, an enabler claimed. That's why.

[Noraa]

i think Noraa is very suspicious for trying to kill me because she thinks i'm not new. i really am!!! i thiiiiink Noraa might be pretending like she thinks i'm not sos she can put aggression on me? hmm but maybe not because if she wanted to save herself she could vote for the other people who already had votes. i don't knooooooow

fence sitty, OMGUS, slight flailing, classic "I dont know anything go away" vibes.
newbtown and newbscum are very similar vibes. Im going to push here some more and see where it leads bc I have a gut feeling that I'm on the right track.

[Noraa]

VOTE: Noraa
I think you're more suspicious for how aggressive you're being for no reason :<

This defense against me that just drops a vote for zero reason, does anyone think it seems towny?

[Noraa]

So here is what happened:
I sus Staarling.
Staarling immediately OMGUSes and goes off to buddy Hoppy
I sus Staarling some more
Staarling drops a vote on me for "being aggressive"

[Noraa]

Does whether or not Star is new impact on your read either way?

no. it doesn't. you can only use the noob card if you sound like a noob. If you're able to setup spec, you're not a noob and I refuse to let that person use the newb card.

[Noraa]

I pulled the noob card hard in my first scum game and that was why I was universally TRed. AND I was an actual noob. Staarling says too many things that tell me she isn't a noob at all.

[Noraa]

@Noraa: what caused you to change your profile picture?

I specifically changed my signature for this. Maybe read that?

[Noraa]

A derp flip atm is more of an info flip imo. If derp is scum, that's quite reasonable considering I've felt quite some resistance to this wagon which is very typical of red wagons. If derp isn't, the wagon is something we have to pick apart.

[Noraa]

<14 years.

You realize I'm quite close to this age too, right? Im barely putting any pressure and her defense is very calm and cool. That is not a newb response. I expected much more flailing to convince me she was a noob but now I dont think so at all. There was some doubt but she handled it too cooly and did a dabble of OMGUS. This is certainly not a noob imo.

when I was a noob, I flailed bad under pressure. Literally managed to get to E-2 in normal games day 1 of day 1. Managed to get limmed day 1. Managed to do all sorts of stupid things like claim 3p as a RGB cop. Noob responses I am so familiar with. Noob flails and reactions are also so familiar to me.

[Noraa]

If you lynch Derp or Hopkirk, and they flip town, we are replacing out and replacing in as account called "We told you so".
~vanilla ice cream with crème fraîche slime

if they flip scum, I'll do that for you

[Noraa]

is scum doctor normal?

yeah. I was a scum doc in my last normal. Jacko was there too.

[Noraa]

noraa was the one to start pushing Staarling?
~vanilla ice cream with crème fraîche slime

Serious question.
~vanilla ice cream with crème fraîche slime

pretty sure I was the first.

[Noraa]

Not sure scum would lead a wagon on LHF.

Bruh. How many times do I have to say Staarling is NOT LHF? No one is taking my case seriously, giving her a free town pass, and considering her LHF when she is clearly NOT.
Even if she is new(which I'm having a hard time believing considering she talks like a slightly inexperienced SE), newbies can roll scum too :/
take me for example. My first four games on site were three scum games and one town game. I pulled the noob card hard in all three and won one of them.

[Noraa]

What is your case again?
~vanilla ice cream with crème fraîche slime

Especially if I believe this is a hectic alt, this slot is low-key fishy. Like they push a lot of actively antitown things. Say they are a newbie but then often have posts that 100000% dont sound like a newbie made it. Also jumps on wagons for extremely strange things. I'm not a fan of the no point wagon nor am I a fan of the flubber wagon. Let's go here.
VOTE: Staarling

This is the basis

[Noraa]

Im going to sit on my Staarling and Keita SRs. If y'all are right and nopo is scum, I will allow you to say "I told you, you dumb dumb" to me once, tomorrow.

[Noraa]

Im going to sit on my Staarling and Keita SRs. If y'all are right and nopo is scum, I will allow you to say "I told you, you dumb dumb" to me once, tomorrow.

derp just realised he forgot keita was even in the game actually, dear derp would like to hear something from this slot as well

Keita hasn't talked since today started.

[Noraa]

Slime do you have any SRs? Will you just be active and not vote at all?

[Noraa]

people were already unvoting the moment plus claimed. Plus would not have died had derp not cc'ed. But I also feel like its a huge gambit for scum to take.

[Noraa]

people were already unvoting the moment plus claimed. Plus would not have died had derp not cc'ed. But I also feel like its a huge gambit for scum to take.

to elaborate on this, think about it: what are the chances of mafia and town both having a doc? basically zero. So, derp being scum doc and plus being town doc is ruled out.
if derp is scum,
what are the chances of mafia goon(im assuming) cc'ing doc?
there are two cases:
enabler is town, the doc(goon) is scum. the chances of having two town docs without an enabler is ZERO. how would scum know town had an enabler to save them unless they were planning a 1v1 tradeoff but like why TF would u do that day 2? from scum perspective, 1 scum DNE 1 town.

enabler is scum, doc(goon) is scum. this is a huge gambit. If either flips red, the other is instantly dead. I highly doubt this is a gambit scums are willing to do.

Im more willing to believe that derp is town and hoppy is also town. This case makes the most sense.
Technically, a derp town, plus town, hoppy scum is possible but I think I like my TR on hoppy so eh.

[Noraa]

Uh so I fried my brain writing the above post. If it doesnt make sense, yeah sorry. It fried my brain over a few times thinking about it so .... yeah

[Noraa]

people were already unvoting the moment plus claimed. Plus would not have died had derp not cc'ed. But I also feel like its a huge gambit for scum to take.

Who else could town have conceivably got enough votes on though? Like I think most of the end of day one is ppl complaining that there are not enough ppl online.

honestly with how disconnected town was, we might've gotten a no lim. But I highly doubt plus would've died if derp didnt cc

[Noraa]

This is town. I can absolutely see Nora-scum jumping on my wagon at this point.

Lovely that you finally decided to read me correctly but you're just gunna leave ur vote there?

[Noraa]

Hey, sorry for inactivity. Don’t really know why we’re keeping this slot around. VOTE: Staarling

what what what?

[Noraa]

Thats all you have? After 38 pages the only SR you can suggest is a PL?

[Noraa]

I.......

[Noraa]

Your gonna have to do more convincing than that. I SR Keita but opportunistic scums jumping on or scum bussing are things I am looking for rn.