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[Hopkirk]

Huh, thirteen players. Felt more like eleven.

[Hopkirk]

I'm getting so much paranoia from Staarling having her last online set to off.

Plus Hectic isn't in any other games and you signed up to two at once around when the other ones he was in were finishing? Pretty suspicious.
Townlean even if it is Hectic, but less than if she isn't.

[Trendall]

Yeah

VOTE: nopointinactingup

[Noraa]

Happy scum day or birthday whichever it is and now I will be replying to this wall.

Spoiler:

Yeah, I do butt into other's business and overreact over things like this cuz I personally know that if I get tunneled day 1, legit regardless of my alignment, I am 90% dying that day.

And you're absolutely positive that you react the same way under pressure as town and scum? Can anyone who's played with Nora give opinions on this?

I react so shit to pressure it's not even funny.

Looks like you're doing just that imo.

And the moment I felt like Trendall was getting legit upset(like I do when getting tunneled), I was like ok no like no this is not ok. I still stand by this and will defend anyone that is put in a situation where I believe regardless of alignment, they will react badly.

More emotional appeal that has nothing to do with finding scum. You don't seem as someone who makes confident reads, what makes you think he's town in the first place anyway?

Noraa, if you had to choose which of Glitch v Trendall is the scum and why?

In TvTs that get big and die down, I generally always think the tunneler is the scum unless the one being tunneled did some crazy shit.

Can you answer my previous question? What makes you think scum would necessarily tunnel on day one?

I like Hiraki. super towny vibes. town book for now.

I'll explain more later -

Vote: nopointactingup

An ultra town read that came out of nowhere and an immediate chain-saw defense. Connection noted.

Nopo calls Trendall sheepish here for voting glitch off his little tiff with Noraa, and that's a little misleading for a couple reasons: Noraa wasn't voting glitch at the time and I don't personally think Noraa was at a place where she was inspiring sheep. Feels like a stretchy reason to give for voting Trendall and a way to gas Noraa up at the same time.

This is a failed attempt to undermine me. Nora voted Glitch on her third post of the game.

1) I didn't say my reaction is the same. I do not believe they are the exact same as that'd be pretty impossible BUT they are all bad is my point.
2) uh ok? I do react badly to pressure yeah.
3) I never said I thought he was scum? Like I just said that people normally don't react well to early pressure regardless of alignment and that's why I'm defending.
4) I generally think tunneling is considered towny which is why scums do it much more to look protown.
5) Hiraki has a SR on me in case you didn't realize that

you seem to misrep me a lot. Highly dislike but not sure if its AI. We'll see ig.

[Noraa]

Trendall (4) - Flubbernugget, Glitch, nopointinactingup, Keita

Trendall (4) - Flubbernugget, nopointinactingup, Keita, PlusJOYED

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Trendall was the biggest wagon in the game so far. It is unlikely that the largest wagon so far had 0 scum on it. If we zoom into each one of the players who have been on the Trendall wagon, here are each of their takes on Trendall and how they handled that wagon. I am not including mine because it I had a 2 hour 1v1 with him and it would be way too many quotes to post. If you want to read my thoughts and interactions with Trendall, please go to my ISO and the majority will probably be about Trendall.

Spoiler: Flub regarding Trendall

VOTE: trendall

the question is more why did you not vote in general?

By not voting and seeing how people react to that, I am participating in the beginning stages of the game just as much as anybody else is.

Ok but it doesn't seem to be doing much so you might want to rethink your strategy here

1) If you're not being cooperative, then what are you doing? This is mafia. This is a game where you need to figure out if X, Y and Z are scum and then get A, B, C, D, and E to vote for X, Y and Z. If you find X, Y and Z but Y is also making A through E think you are scum, you've effectively done nothing. I honestly smell a lot of miselim bait on your wagon which is why I am super apprehensive on my vote on you. However, you are not helpful to town at the moment.

2) Why does that make Glitch scum? Because they're wrong? Isn't that the exact same point that you're making? Giving up isn't exactly a towntell in anyone's book FYI.

Everybody knows that this is very early on in the game where little of any significance happens, so if somebody is starting to talk to me about how I haven't done reams and reams of analysis yet, then that is suspect because everybody knows that nobody's reads are massively serious right now necessarily. If something happens that I think is interesting then I'll pick up on it, and as it happens I think that nothing relevant has happened so far in this game other than I think that Flubbernugget is more likely to be town, and that it's unlikely that all of the other players who jumped on voting me are town too.

Glitch's questions are just...I don't know how to explain but this isn't how you get information out of people. Watch a couple of episodes of Columbo or something to see how it's done properly. His questions are very much putting words in my mouth, bombarding me with stuff left right and centre, trying to catch me out. If you're questioning somebody with the intention of making them slip up, like you've already decided what the answers are going to be as he obviously has done, then the person will slip up, it's pointless, it's a waste of time. Like he's certain his technique works, I'll flip town, and he'll just carry on game after game doing the exact same thing without ever evaluating where he made a mistake.

He's already said to me 'if you were town you would have done this instead'. So if he already knows everything about what I would do in a given situation and I have already breached that, then what possible reason would there be to respond to his points further? Then there's all this theatrical stuff about 'oh this should be the definition of omgus on the wiki'. If he thinks something I've said is 'contrived' then there's nothing I can do about that other than say 'no it wasn't'. Saying something is 'contrived' is nothing, it's not an argument, it's just a person looking at a post and going 'I don't like the look of this because of a gut feeling', how could you possibly argue that further? He says that I am 'panicky' and 'feel pressured' which again, I can say 'I'm clearly not' and then we're at a stalemate. You can't reason with a person if that's the extent of their arguments.

And again, with your question 'why does that make him scum?', I never said it did, so again that's a leading question trying to paint is as though I made a bad argument as to him being mafia when I never made such an argument at all. Like I say, his original question against Noraa was unreasonable, I thought that made him slightly more likely to be mafia than anybody else at that point given that I have no other reads, hence my vote is on him for the time being. It's not like a strong read, I don't care about it very much, but apparently if I don't vote for anybody then everybody complains about that too. As for the motivations for his arguing against me, that could go either way so I wouldn't present any of that as being in favour of him being mafia. I'm just saying that either way, nobody should be looking at his arguments against me and thinking 'yeah they're good arguments we should eliminate Trendall'.

Nothing I have done is tantamount to 'giving up' and I couldn't care less what is and isn't a 'towntell' lol.

hmmm. I think i need to look through glitch/trendall's dual ISO too.

ugh. effort.

I think Trendall is a townie because that's a looooooot of words and I think it's hard for mafia to write so much right now, because we don't any good information

meh. it's rambly but there's some stuff in there.

I'm only up to page 11 but so far there seems to be a dynamic where glitch does the questioning and trendall does the answering and I'm not the most fond of it

Lots of resistance to this trendall wagon

I think we are on the right track

Spoiler: NoPoint on Trendall

@Thoughts about shits and gigglez at the beginning: I'd keep a note to myself that the 3 participants is leaning town based on the conversation. I also think it's a townish sign to start the first wagon quickly since scum benefit from stalling the game. Noraa, Gitch, Plus can be town for now.

the question is more why did you not vote in general?

By not voting and seeing how people react to that

, I am participating in the beginning stages of the game just as much as anybody else is.

I feel that this is a little bit contrived. It feels more like you thought of this reason when asked. Have you done this in any of your previous town games?

VOTE: bob

Not enough drama
Lockscum

VOTE: bob

This blind vote leaves me feeling flubber is town. The fourth vote on the first rvs wagon is almost always from town especially the more blind it is. As scum tend to have trepidation when voting a townie on the first rvs wagon i find. They might vote early or after the ice is broken but not that on the tipping point between being nearer no votes and being near exec.

Based on this response to the wagon I'm leaning town on Bob because he's showing scum-hunting intent rather than self-preservation.

t doesn't seem to be doing much

How do you know? I could have figured out who all the mafia are by now for all you know.

This seems defensive. Keeping knowledge and even reads and opinions secret are bad for town and good for scum.

Agree with what Noraa says in post #88, I thought the same thing too before she said it.

VOTE: Glitch

This feels really sheepish. Which part of Nora's post do you agree with? Why do you think scum-Glitch would necessarily try to push on Nora when you are his biggest suspect?

VOTE: Vote:Trendall

It feels more like you thought of this reason when asked. Have you done this in any of your previous town games?

Yes, virtually all of them as far as I can remember. Certainly all the ones I've played this year. A person can easily look this up.

I checked 3 of your latest games.
The latest game you did RV on your first post and was town.
Two games before you did not RV and was scum in one and town in another.
But you didn't mention

not voting on purpose to facilitate discussion

on any of the games so I'm still inclined to believe you made it up.

Games where I don’t post a random vote in my first post as town are Newbies 977, 989, 1024, 1053, 1066, 1084, 1793, 1893, and 2035. So I’ve been doing exactly this for about ten years. Which again, anybody could have easily looked up. Unless they didn’t actually care and just wanted to cast suspicion on me, I guess.

In games 1075 and 1094, I place a random vote for people who don’t have avatars, but both of these games are from 2011 and I wouldn’t care about this sort of thing nowadays.

It's completely ok imo to not RV in the first post. I'm more concerned about the contrived reason you gave for not RV-ing. Why didn't you just say you do it all the time and quote your games?

the question is more why did you not vote in general?

By not voting and seeing how people react to that, I am participating in the beginning stages of the game just as much as anybody else is.

Yes you did, but this is your initial reaction

Nora, doing stupid things is fine but having un-genuine reactions when asked about said stupid things is pretty scummy. Also not sure why you're white-knighting Trendall here after a whole lot of fluff postings.

I'd like to take all the credit for moving us out of RVS thank you very much.
All jokes aside, I think I have fluffed but I also think I have posted lots of game advancing(even if only a little ) content

What game advancing contents are you talking about .. I've yet to seen you post anything substantial despite all the fluff and you haven't moved your vote at all from RVS.

Yes which there is nothing wrong with.

There is nothing wrong with it except for the high likelihood that you made it up on the spot. At the very least it's a bit weird and defensive.

Unless they didn’t actually care and just wanted to cast suspicion on me, I guess.

Do you consider it AI to cast suspicion on players in the first 5 pages without any reason to suspect them?

Can you clarify AI? Sorry, old-fashioned player here.
Edit: Got it

@Thoughts about shits and gigglez at the beginning: I'd keep a note to myself that the 3 participants is leaning town based on the conversation. I also think it's a townish sign to start the first wagon quickly since scum benefit from stalling the game. Noraa, Gitch, Plus can be town for now.

Weird.

This seems defensive. Keeping knowledge and even reads and opinions secret are bad for town and good for scum.

The post was clearly in jest - you even said it yourself - "thoughts about shits and gigglez". This is weak and weird.

Is there any particular aspect of it you find weak and weird? The logic of your post eludes me.

Which part of Nora's post do you agree with?

Why is this important? What produces town to say that they like X part and scum to say they have Y part?

It's important because I am trying to gauge whether Trendall's vote on Glitch was because Trendall genuinely thought Glitch was scum or because he was trying to start an opportunistic counter wagon to save himself. When people sheep votes without adding to the evidence or thoughts behind their vote, it's generally not a town sign.

Are you saying that you only random vote as scum? That would be a pretty lame way to play.

No, I've only drawn a mafia sided role on this site once. And in that game I never placed a random vote at the start of the game. Why would I ever do what you're suggesting?

Do you see my point Trendall? From my perspective, the only time you were scum you didn't place a random vote and in this game you didn't place a random vote PLUS making up a strange reason for not placing that vote.

@Thoughts about shits and gigglez at the beginning: I'd keep a note to myself that the 3 participants is leaning town based on the conversation. I also think it's a townish sign to start the first wagon quickly since scum benefit from stalling the game. Noraa, Gitch, Plus can be town for now.

Now, as much as your pocket is enticing, I'm gonna have to pass.
What makes you think scum wouldn't participate in shits and gigglez early on? I do agree about the bob wagon though.

In my experience, scum usually stay behind the scene, stall the game and make town lynch randomly. That being said, I only think the shit and giggles are slight town sign not overwhelming.

I feel that this is a little bit contrived.

It feels more like you thought of this reason when asked.

Have you done this in any of your previous town games?

Great point here; I hadn't really figured out how to put that into words but I think this is accurate. I'm just trying to sort between whether Trendall's play is newbish, playstyle, or AI.

I don't think Trendall is new he has loads of games. It is fair to say that he does abstain from RV in a lot of his games as town and scum, so I don't see why he has to shut down as town when suspicion was thrown his way.
Edit: After reading through his wall of post, I suppose it is possible that Trendall was just a super defensive town player. Scum is slightly more likely to make things up under pressure but it would be an overstatement to say town never does this.

If we're struggling to get serious stuff going, how about we get no one today and try on the next day? We'll have a night of information then to work things out VOTE: Skip?

I don't think this is a good idea. If we lynch scum it's great. If we mislynch at the very least we have some information. NL is not good.

But also, glitch, don't tunnel 9 pages in...
its just not a good idea imo and it feels bad being tunneled early on.

Isn't this the point though. Tunneling helps bring out emotions and thoughts that are difficult to hide. Then town can analyze them as a collective to distinguish between town and scum. I'm little bit harsh here but if you feel personally offended then mafia might not be a great game for you.

If he truly thought I were scum, he would engage me, ask me question, poke around, and then case me. But he doesn't.

So this is the crux of the problem for me, the guy's way of playing this game is going 'mafia act like this, and town act like this', and in reality people act in all different ways irrespective of their alignment due to personality styles and play styles and whatever else. So I know already, if I don't 'act right', he's going to think I'm mafia, and if I do make any attempt to 'act right' he'll accuse me of contriving reasons and so forth, he's completely inconsistent with what he wants from me. So I'm just stuck here, aren't I? There's nothing I can do about it other than hope that if I get lynched the other players in the game are capable of interpreting what's happened.

So did you make an attempt to "act right" when you made that post about not RV-ing to bring up discussion? Honestly I can think of ways you could have done that as town or scum so shutting down and refusing to communicate only cause people to suspect you more.

Why does it feel like Trendall and Noraa are both scum?
If Trendall flips scum I would be inclined to vote Noraa next.

we can maybe be friends actually, could u elaborate on this?

It seems to me Noraa is trying really hard to strike a balance between deflecting the Trendall accusations without seeming like they are buddied. See post 198.

I agree with this. I think post 198 even indicate Nora scum even in the case Trendall is town. It's just very weird to white-knight someone as if you knew their alignment.

@Wall of text between Glitch and Trendall: This actually makes me feel a little better about Trendall since his post does seem emotionally coherent. For now I feel the trendall wagon has been productive.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Nora
Crimes include fluff posting, white-knighting for no reason and constant emotional appeal.

Well, on my part it was just this relentless stream of excellent well argued points that could not more clearly have come from a town-sided player. I mean I'm sure for anybody reading it...it must have been like 'woah this guy couldn't be more town', and then I'd post another post and it'd be like 'shiiiit I didn't even know it was

possible

for a player to be that obviously aligned with the town, this is amazing, what a great player'.

Glitch was pretty towny too. I'm not sure whether he thinks I'm town or mafia at this point or how confident he is about anything, but he did unvote me because I guess he felt like he got everything he needed to from that avenue of inquiry for now.

So basically at this point you have a very strong town read on me and a fairly confident town read on Glitch too.

Then again this post feels super odd, like a gloat when you've managed to stave off pressure as scum.

This is a prod dodge. It seems like a lot of content has been generated, I'm taking a close look in 4 hours

13 pages in 3 days is rookie numbers. Last mini we had like a 150+ page day 1.

LOL xD What happened to the meta. In my days, people get lynched for posting random bs

Spoiler: Keita on Trendall

I’m going to go ahead and VOTE: Trendall

Why does it feel like Trendall and Noraa are both scum?
If Trendall flips scum I would be inclined to vote Noraa next.

Why does it feel like Trendall and Noraa are both scum?
If Trendall flips scum I would be inclined to vote Noraa next.

we can maybe be friends actually, could u elaborate on this?

It seems to me Noraa is trying really hard to strike a balance between deflecting the Trendall accusations without seeming like they are buddied. See post 198.

Noraa, if you had to choose which of Glitch v Trendall is the scum and why?

Spoiler: PLUSjoyed's on Trendall

Sorry but Glitch is all rigid-thinking and acronyms, his analysis is a nightmare, he's probably mafia anyway, there's no way that I'm answering any of those questions that he asked me.

thats not a good sign

This guy has no idea how to find mafia whatsoever.

do you 2 have a messy history together or do you not know glitch?

I'm on glitches side with this one
I don't think he's tunneling, I do think Trendall is being a tad uncooperative. Idk what to make of that

I also wanna note that flub dissappeared after I voted them. Seems kinda scummy.

VOTE: trendall

I'm on glitches side with this one
I don't think he's tunneling, I do think Trendall is being a tad uncooperative. Idk what to make of that

I also wanna note that flub dissappeared after I voted them. Seems kinda scummy.

VOTE: trendall

WOAH don't like this.

Picking sides why? You say in this post you don't know what to make of trendall (despite voting them) so does this mean you townread glitch? Or you agree with his logic, but not so far as to actually scumread trendall? Looks like a shameful pocket attempt on glitch

ehhh it was more getting something to happen during rvs

Ratings:
Flub: D
NoPoint: A+
Keita: C-
PLUSjoyed: D-

I'm still staying on Noraa at this point but I will compromise onto {PLUSjoyed / derp} and am open to discussions on JohnnyFarrar, Flub, and maybe Keita.

Just being honest though I would love to just PL derp today because of how inaccurate our shot is going to be anyway and (no offense) but scum will let that slot live until endgame with the shallow and non-threatening playstyle. If we have a D1 lynch that we are going to be the least accurate with we could at least redeem it for something useful that could help us in endgame. I promise I'm not trying to be rude or mean at all but I am trying to play the game to win. There's no way to sort derp and 86ing that slot today would probably be my biggest preference. Noraa would be good too. Others are considerable.[/quote]

You just threw shade at all of the wagon but then left a vote on me. Interesting.

I guess I'm a hyperposter now. Noraa was right, it does feel good.

Ha. TOLD YA

Huh, thirteen players. Felt more like eleven.

feels more like 2.

[Noraa]

Yeah idk what went wrong with that formatting.

[Staarling]

@Hopkirk: i'm not the player hectic but i'm confused, does this mean you think i'm mafia?

[Staarling]

oh ok nevermind

[Keita]

Had some suspicions on Keita since a while ago that I didnt voice. Did an ISO. I think I'm moving my vote there.

First post : super uptight and basically spoilers to us that they will be using the noob card but future posts show us that they are 100000% NOT a noob.

jumps on the biggest wagon, not too strange but something to note regardless.

groups people. kinda hate that considering everyone sees that I've been wk'ing but saying if one is scum, the other is too is kinda .... not cool for a day 1 read. If Trendall ever flips green this game, I 100% see this as an attempt from scum to set up chain lims(trendall -> noraa). Plus, they throw shade at me but don't try to push or engage me .... until they ask me one singular question. I answer. They don't reply to my answer or say what's wrong with it but just directly vote me.

the progression is pretty unnatural and it lacks the townie spirit of engaging and pushing.

Keita's votes feel rather opportunistic and none of them really had a progression or reason to back it up. VOTE: Keita

engage me.

Well, yeah, I’m not a noob. I said I have mafia experience, just not on this site or with this format.

Jumping on a wagon doesn’t indicate anything since I gave good reasoning as to why.

Yeah I struggle a lot with pushing people so I apologize for being so passive.

[Staarling]

first i thought Hopkirk was using these weird reasons to put the suspicion onto me but he said it wouldn't make him think i'm mafia so now i dunno. he has a cool profile picture which helps :>

i think he called a lot of people townies which would make it hard for him if he was mafia to get rid of them

[Trendall]

Haha yeah so Staarling must be an alt of somebody

[Flubbernugget]

Agreed on first which is making me sweat a little in that I'm just wrong in going the VI route but I'm going to soak a little more before doing anything. I think that slot needs to be terminated before Day 3 though so a Day 1 isn't the worst case scenario. I just don't see it flipping red.

Nothing about a wagon being in a good position should make you sweat.

I guess? You don't like to try to be right 100% of the time?

I don't fret much if my reads are wrong esp d1. but there's more to a day phase than reads, which I'm a little more certain for

[JohnnyFarrar]

Haha yeah so Staarling must be an alt of somebody

Feeling this pretty hard based on the last page.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Town: Staarling, Plus

Walk me through these please

[Hopkirk]

@Hopkirk: i'm not the player hectic but i'm confused, does this mean you think i'm mafia?

There's someone on the site I play a lot with called hectic who's played under around twenty-thirty different accounts at this point - using many of these for 2-3 games then revealing it was him. You give me major 'hectic secretly pretending to be a new player vibes', and hectic almost definitely joined one or two games under new accounts at the exact same time you did - so there's solid circumstance/context based evidence you're secretly hectic.

If you aren't secretly hectic you're my strongest townread at say 90% town. If you are hectic then I'm leaning town on you but not as hard.

Town: Staarling, Plus

Walk me through these please

Do you think staarling is an alt, if she isn't then she feels really really obviously town. I can explain why, but I don't get how you wouldn't see it.

Plus I'll need to go over when I'm not phoneposting as it's easier to explain/quote that way.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Do you think staarling is an alt, if she isn't then she feels really really obviously town. I can explain why, but I don't get how you wouldn't see it.

Just making sure to separate your paranoia with the slot from your read on my head

[derp]

derp is so sorry for being gone this weekend, unfortunately some irl stuff came up that derp had to deal with, derp will get back to this tomorrow

[Hiraki]

This slot is incredibly obvtown (obvious town)

Bad read.

not a townread on the most obvtown (new) player in the thread.

Even weirder.

[Glitch]

Hopkirk hates how I post and then posts like me lol. Bruh don't ever play with Norwegian if you dont like tons of one liners. Nothing wrong with how we play or post. We may post a lot but it isn't spam and if it weren't broken up it would be wall wars.

I like your thought of Staarling being an alt but your confidence on your TR on that slot is freaking weird to me. I also think your SR of nopoint is terrible and you haven't given any explanation at all. Your TR of Plusjoyed is also super shallow and while I'm trying not to SR you for just having opposite reads than me I am struggling with your reads because there isn't a case you've made on town/PJ or scum!no point.

Hirakis reads are almost all great.

Your opposition to my derp PL is non committal.
You and Trendalls relationship makes me slightly raise an eyebrow.

Noraa yes as I sort through who was on the Trendall wagon I'm clarifying reads and sorting players. And after that you're still my top pick.

Hopkirk what was underwhelming about my self meta?

JUMBLED THOUGHTS EVERYWHERE

[nopointinactingup]

Admittedly this is a gotcha that I didn't expect to work but sometimes you throw softballs to get strike outs.

What is the so called "gotcha" you're talking about here?

[quote="In post 408
So what are the conflicting ideas here that Trendall is supposed to agree/disagree with? Unless I'm reading this post wrong, the agreement is in the entire point about tratiors. I don't really care about this by the way as much as I care about how useless Nopoint's questioning is here. His response to my question on 317 cements that Nopoint doesn't care about the context of the post and was really looking for a very very very fake "gotcha!" by posting something that sounds somewhat sophisticated:
[/quote]

Still don't understand what "gotcha" you're talking about. Trendall's vote on #88 was sheepish and still very much is, he couldn't have "agreed" with Nora in anyway because Nora's assessment of Glitch was a defensive, not an objective point.

Kinda confused but like the fellow thing had nothing to do with why I went back and checked. It was actually because I was talking about traitors elsewhere can't remember which thread but like someone said that traitors are a mafia member that isn't known to the mafia and the mafia only knows of their existence. I thought a traitor was like basically a RBer or something but Bob was def in the mafia thread from the start that game so I went back and checked and once I saw that I was like oh, huh so he wasn't a traitor. So I thought I'd share.

Doesnt really have much to do with being self aware and your attempt to dig into this is a bit concerning and kinda a red flag to me. Consider your past pocketing as cancelled out.

Nora said that Glitch's attempt to sort her was a red flag and I found Trendall sheeping that scummy because the point has nothing to do with him. Also, nice try posting my comments out-of-context. My original post shows the reason why I asked that question:

"This feels really sheepish. Which part of Nora's post do you agree with? Why do you think scum-Glitch would necessarily try to push on Nora when you are his biggest suspect?"

This is a failed attempt to undermine me. Nora voted Glitch on her third post of the game.

Man you looked up exactly when In her iso huh? Do YOU play cautious as scum?

Instead of admitting your argument failed or try to talk about it, you'd rather take random podshots at me. My scumdar is pinging on this slot.

I don't really like how this sums up to townreads on all the active players (which I don't feel there's enough to justify), not a townread on the most obvtown (new) player in the thread.

Check out my response to Glitch post 317. I already addressed that they were only slight townreads. Regarding my thoughts to Starling, new does not mean obv town, I still have a null on that slot since they provided no substantial content.

My god all those unexplained votes on me is scumtastic, this really confirms to me that I'm exactly where I should be. Starting to entertain the possibility that this is a turn-around attempt by the scum-team, ie more evidence that Trendall is probably scum with Nora.

Town: Glitch, Keita ie solid townblock
Null leaning town: Flubber, Starling, Plus, derp
Null leaning scum: Hikari, Johnny, Hopkirk
Scum: Trendall, Nora

[JacksonVirgo]

Nothing to see here

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait

[JacksonVirgo]

Is this actually possible?

[JacksonVirgo]

No, it's impossible!

[JacksonVirgo]

Will I do it?