Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[SirCakez]

first

VOTE: votato

yeah same, me too.
VOTE: votato

FoS on lilith cuz peer pressure is bad.

THIS
VOTE: lilith
VOTE: lilith
VOTE: lilith
VOTE: lilith

[SirCakez]

Has a lynch ever actually been achieved during RVS?

Yes...just look at any of Radja's games lol. We used to call it the Radja day 1 curse, someone would always be lynched within 5 pages.

VOTE: S_S
serious vote
sadly I think you may have rolled scum my friend

[SirCakez]

Also jeez remember when those pokemon games all had d1 quickhammers

yup what a mess
I think one of the large themes did too

[SirCakez]

S_S just reads off. Like he's trying to defuse pressure but not too obviously.

[SirCakez]

What part of 77 or 100 isn't obvious in its intent to defuse pressure?

It's like kinda AtE, kinda "haha wagon on me"
No outright "why am I being wagoned?"

[SirCakez]

There's definitely some E in there, the E being mild frustration. But there's no A to it.

Seems to me that it was obvious enough that I wanted to hear your reasoning, but I guess I can be more explicit. What did you not like about me circa 59?

It was gut earlier. But it has solidified since.

Also, you didn't say I was subtly wanting to know why I was being wagoned. You said I was subtly trying to defuse the wagon. Those are two different things, and both of those quotes outright say "your read on me is not justified." Even if I wasn't overtly trying to UNDERSTAND the wagon, I was overtly trying to prevent it.

Is this aimed at me? I don't understand what you're saying.

Id vote cakes too.
Fire you are being warned to do something more.

Fight me farside

I think cakez is scum because he didn’t say hi to me btw

You have to earn it

Not moving my vote

[SirCakez]

I want to declare a TR on Lilith but I'm also aware I'm biased and want to TR Lilith

[SirCakez]

Still catching up but want to address these

Sure SC. I'll be your buttercup.

Your attack on SS reads fabricated. You are basically taking a point on SS and creating a false narrative

S_S just reads off. Like he's trying to defuse pressure but not too obviously.

What part of 77 or 100 isn't obvious in its intent to defuse pressure?

It's like kinda AtE, kinda "haha wagon on me"
No outright "why am I being wagoned?"

now lets read SS as a take away.

Spoiler:

sadly I think you may have rolled scum my friend

Sure, 3/13 chance from your POV.

I really can't imagine how you already have a read on my zero game-relevant posts that's much different from that.

Lilith, I have a bad feeling that you don't know me as well as you think you do.

There's definitely some E in there, the E being mild frustration. But there's no A to it.

Seems to me that it was obvious enough that I wanted to hear your reasoning, but I guess I can be more explicit. What did you not like about me circa 59?

Also, you didn't say I was subtly wanting to know why I was being wagoned. You said I was subtly trying to defuse the wagon. Those are two different things, and both of those quotes outright say "your read on me is not justified." Even if I wasn't overtly trying to UNDERSTAND the wagon, I was overtly trying to prevent it.

There was no A at all in the post that were reference.
Nothing since then is really showing why you continue you read on the spot. You just want to egg on something that is not there and ride it out.
No where do I see anything other then antagonizing a player to react while not scum hunting.

77 and 100 both read as AtE to me given that Lilith, S_S and I are friends. Maybe not to you. I don't know if AtE is the best term to describe it but I don't know how else to.

Your vote is looking lonely and unused there, eyestort. Do you fancy joining me on cakez? He essentially sheeped someone else who gut read Something_Smart as scum without giving any reasons for it.

How was I sheeping on this? I formulated my own read on S_S, I didn't vote him just because lilith did.

[SirCakez]

It was gut earlier. But it has solidified since.

What caused the read to solidify, SirCakez? How would you expect Something_Smart to react to the votes on him if his alignment were town? I think his 77 was indirectly asking you how you had a read on his mostly contentless posts thus far.

It was from tone. His weird reaction to me solidified it.

Is this aimed at me? I don't understand what you're saying.

I am saying that there's a discrepancy between this post:

S_S just reads off. Like he's trying to defuse pressure but not too obviously.

Where you said that I'm being subtle about trying to prevent people from voting me, and this one:

What part of 77 or 100 isn't obvious in its intent to defuse pressure?

It's like kinda AtE, kinda "haha wagon on me"
No outright "why am I being wagoned?"

Where you suggested that to be more blunt I could have asked why people were voting me-- but asking WHY they were voting me isn't the same as asking them to STOP voting me. My posts were very clear in their intent to get people to STOP voting me, which is what you originally claimed I was not being obvious about.

I think you and I have different definitions of obvious

VOTE: eyestott
I'll come back to S_S later. Eye's reactions and vote movements have been bad.

honestly I don't care about the gun/rose "optimal" massclaim mechanics stuff. I'm just here to scumhunt. I do think massclaim now is stupid. I don't think knightmare being in favor necessarily indicates scum.
Why is ABR scum, farside? I've been wondering about him.

[SirCakez]

I have a lot of stuff going on rn so I plan to return to this game and look at other players, farside.
Lilith town has solidified.
DonCorleone is a town lean.

I'm suspicious of the players who have been doing more setup solving then scumhunting, like Paragon and knightmare.

[SirCakez]

I feel like I'm going in circles talking about this S_S read and I'd like to move on

[SirCakez]

I don't understand what farside is doing here

[SirCakez]

77 and 100 both read as AtE to me given that Lilith, S_S and I are friends. Maybe not to you. I don't know if AtE is the best term to describe it but I don't know how else to.

I think you're reading a little too much into it? Sure, it's possible that me snarking back at you invoked an emotional reaction, but that doesn't mean it was intended to do that. Usually AtE very directly identifies the emotion they went the target to feel. I'm not even sure what emotion you thought I was going for, other than just a general "we're friends so we shouldn't be arguing against each other," which is something that really is always going to be present and isn't really played up in those posts at all (maybe a little bit the one to lilith but I wasn't trying to guilt her into not voting for me, I was trying to explain something to her).

As an aside, I can nitpick pretty much indefinitely and not get tired of it, so if you don't want to keep talking about it, you're welcome to drop it. I won't mind.

I think you are way smarter than me and I can buy this explanation

[SirCakez]

No I mean you attacked me for my S_S push and then are now pushing S_S

[SirCakez]

Cakez, u didn't even react to my vote.

R U DODGING ME FOR FEAR OF MY ELITE SKILZL!?!?

I already dared you to fight me and it didn't happen

[SirCakez]

Idk
I'm trying to scumhunt??

[SirCakez]

Idk
I'm trying to scumhunt??

I don't really buy this

Well I don't buy you as town this game
so

woah ive been logic looped to insanity.

u win this round vecna

I also feel town-you would be scumreading me after this mediocre catchup

hi town Vecna
may I get you a beverage

I have no desire to move my eyestott vote but votato wagon is tempting
Lilith is town leader

[SirCakez]

ABR's ISO is really disappointing
Could go there

[SirCakez]

SirCakez is sounding like he's trying to lure me into his van with candy

Moved from bracket 2 to bracket 3

yeah be my buddy dude!!!!
I liked his catchup for town, it had good scumhunting and made sense. Called out his own lurking. And he caught shit I missed.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

There are 8

Town

Roses

remaining.

I have something in mind to give us a slight edge. Will talk about it later.

So the plan is simple, we know we have 8 townies with roses, that means there's three with guns.
So one by one we just claim whether we have a gun or not. No need to claim what night it will be used on. That way we basically get 3 ICs and reduce the lynchpool by 3.

bad, bad bad bad post

So the plan is simple, we know we have 8 townies with roses, that means there's three with guns.
So one by one we just claim whether we have a gun or not. No need to claim what night it will be used on. That way we basically get 3 ICs and reduce the lynchpool by 3.

I see a flaw in your plan! What stops 1 of the scum from claiming gun? Do you still lynch in the guns aiming to hit them?

If you were joking, I apologise and give you permission to berate me.

Scum either choose to give us 3 ICs or put themselves in the lynchpool. If all 3 scum choose to claim having a gun then we can make the 3 shoot the other 3.

This post really is devoid of thought, and assumes scum are all in the bottom 10% of players.

Scum simply have 1 person claim a gun and 2 person claim a rose. Our chances of finding scum in either of these pools are still =~= random while scum now has a roadmap to victory regardless of their actual picks

There, I gave them the optimal strategy so we can put this dumb discussion to rest.

If you really thought scum with pre-game chat hadnt figured that one out, then youre underestimating them to such an extent that we shouldve caught them all already.

I have more solving than setup-spec in my ISO, Cakez! I implore you to look again.

What about Something_Smart's reaction to you was weird? Is your solidified read beyond what you explained in 77?

I feel like I'm going in circles talking about this S_S read and I'd like to move on

Hmm, alright.

Very odd succession of posts here. Someone makes a statement, you counter it and ask them to look again, they reply they wanna move on due to a non-related matter and youre just like "ok".

weird

Basically the Knightmare takedown and calling out Paragon's weird progression on me

[SirCakez]

Iconeum could be scum

[SirCakez]

lilith2013, farside22, Albert B. Rampage, Iconeum, chkflip

there's definitely scum in here regardless of votato alignment

[SirCakez]

the way that wagon formed made me suspicious
either scum eager to bus or eager to mislynch
Iconeum and ABR fit in there

[SirCakez]

the way that wagon formed made me suspicious
either scum eager to bus or eager to mislynch
Iconeum and ABR fit in there

Why do you think Icon is scummy in the first place? I think icon is somewhat towny so far.

Why do you think they are townie is a better question

I don't really understand why people are TRing Lilith either tbh. Is it just because she's got the most posts or?

this

Scummy post

[SirCakez]

Vecna you aren't bland get out of here with that

[SirCakez]

Paragon is right Ico is scummy

[SirCakez]

im starting to think that theres one scum in {lilith, paragon, farside} based on recent interactions.

What does this mean?

[SirCakez]

im starting to think that theres one scum in {lilith, paragon, farside} based on recent interactions.

What does this mean?

the three of them are having an interaction I'm reading as being partially forced. I don't think its just a disagreement between townies. I think one is probably scum. Too much infighting, not enough attempt to collaborate. Especially from farside, again strengthening my growing SR on her. the read on their interaction is gut, I can't really point to anything specific in the text yet.

Ok I'm looking for follow-up here later

Paragon is right Ico is scummy

Cakes please explain what you think is scummy about Icon

I pretty much agree with what Paragon said
It's like they aren't really scumhunting

[SirCakez]

Paragon has asked for replacement.

MariaR replaces Paragon.

paradigm shift

hmmm should I townread votato for effort in 813 or not
I'm leaning more toward firebringer scum here. He seems like he's a little off this game.

[SirCakez]

I tried to mislynch you as scum before iirc

[SirCakez]

Idk it was one of those older large themes that I don't remember too well
Like around the time of Dragon Age and Death Note I think?
It's all so hazy

[SirCakez]

Vote eyestott with me he's scum

[SirCakez]

Also, why do you think eyestott is scum @farside

Farside and cakez can answer that too.

I said earlier that I dislike how they are flying around with votes and questions. Feels like they are not coming up with original thoughts. Like in 851.

[SirCakez]

Paragon is right Ico is scummy

better get used to it

do your "obvtown" thing then

tbh I'm now worried Ico is lynchbait

[SirCakez]

Faraide, I'm not saying I don't think lurking is a scum tell. I'm disagreeing with the way you're going about it.

Cake, yes.

yes what?

[SirCakez]

ah
this game is weirdly dead

[SirCakez]

tbh I'd be satisfied with most any of the wagons

[SirCakez]

Farside/votato TvS?

[SirCakez]

Farside/votato TvS?

Why, and who of the two are you calling S?

I am not sure

[SirCakez]

Agree Maria's catch-up was not great and Paragon was off

[SirCakez]

I actually really like eyesctott they're coming back from a break or something if I read that correctly and the tone of there posts is really light and relaxed. Like they're just kinda here ya know? I don't see any agenda in their posting. So that raises the question is scum sitting back and just letting these wagons go?

Maybe. Might I suggest a Vecna Farside or Lilth wagon in the meantime? Lets put some life into this game!

I'm reading the opposite of eyestott town
It's kinda fake sounding

[SirCakez]

eyestott's tone

[SirCakez]

I AM SO CONFUSED RIGHT NOW

eyestort, they are both similar but also vastly different. Both net a modicum of information that is arguably useful but also not very useful; however, both are bad because mass claiming is bad and you should feel bad for letting it snowball to this. I hope this helps.

I'm crying now
does that make you feel good?

VOTE: eyetott

That's not a town mindset, it's scum trying to scare town.

I think there's a very real possibility Knight is scum trying to force a massclaim so he and his buddies can kill all the guns N1
VOTE: Knightmare491

Posts like these

[SirCakez]

it seems like farside made some initial reads, and is now going full confirmation bias. farside, do you think you could go through some of maria's posts and try to explain them yourself from the lens of town!maria? could you do the same for me? I'm not sure I like all of Maria's posts that much either, but you seem to be giving her the same treatment you're giving me, which is: "you're scum. I've decided you're scum, and therefore you are. And since you're scum im going to read your posts as coming only from scum, and treat you like you're a bad person." You seem to be getting really ticked off, and maybe you've just tunneled really hard, but it seems more likely that you're putting on an angry facade for some AtE action. How dare we be scum?

I kinda like this post. I've felt the same way as town more than once.

Lilith SRs = ???
Maria might not be scum here?? I like her response to this push honestly. It's very reasoned and she seems legimitaely frustrated.
Meanwhile someone else on the sidelines is coming off hella scummy

VOTE: ABR

[SirCakez]

I AM SO CONFUSED RIGHT NOW

eyestort, they are both similar but also vastly different. Both net a modicum of information that is arguably useful but also not very useful; however, both are bad because mass claiming is bad and you should feel bad for letting it snowball to this. I hope this helps.

I'm crying now
does that make you feel good?

VOTE: eyetott

That's not a town mindset, it's scum trying to scare town.

I think there's a very real possibility Knight is scum trying to force a massclaim so he and his buddies can kill all the guns N1
VOTE: Knightmare491

Posts like these

I guess I kinda see that. Or at least, how you can see that. I can't say I really agree because I don't see why scum tries to force that narrative when it gives them almost no advantage in game state.

Helps him come off as lynchbait

[SirCakez]

I haven't played with MariaR in several years
Is this her typical meta?
farside SRing me for that is ridiculous

[SirCakez]

votato elaborate on which?

[SirCakez]

ok then I might be wrong

[SirCakez]

No I still don't think her catchup was great but I read emotion and tone over content in this case.
I've been told now that this is NAI for her so I'm more cautious anyways.
I'm not in your guys big battle and I don't want to be.

[SirCakez]

I will go back to eyestott wagon if that revives immediately ftr guys
But ABR is terrible here
None of his town passion at all

[SirCakez]

some have it more than others
some never have it

[SirCakez]

I was voting eyestott for days and didn't get anywhere ffs

[SirCakez]

Farside/votato TvS?

Which side do you think is which?

At the time I thought farside was T and votato was S but I'm not sure now

Cakez, why were you posting about eyestott instead of getting involved in Lilith/Maria?

I don't like interfering in 1v1s

I don’t think ABR is showing an informed perspective, I just don’t think he’s trying to solve the game

ding ding ding

can we lynch maria and then Don?

This feels scummy? I know I said Ico seemed sort of town earlier but this kind of post feels off.

idek what cakez is doing this game. Is he forcing himself to post when he does? it feels like theres a bit of that in his postings.

I have a ton of stuff going on irl rn. Finals, projects, etc. And honestly I'm really struggling to engage this game.

VOTE: eyestott
for wagon development
ABR is still scum

[SirCakez]

Despite his name the Don appears to be town

[SirCakez]

so ABR's push there reads like attempted discrediting

[SirCakez]

*yawn*

If anyone here feels I’ve been “sucking the life out of everyone else enjoying the game” then feel free to bring it up with me.

Interesting that you’re only playing now that someone is seriously pursuing your lynch and your response is *checks notes* a death tunnel.

I think you’ve been trying to play it blasé as if you don’t care about getting lynched but now that you’re being pressed you feel the need to performatively act in line with what people expect from you

EXACTLY

VOTE: ABR

[SirCakez]

I think EVERY TOWN in this game on some level suspected I was town gun playing it cool

I have not ftr

[SirCakez]

I think EVERY TOWN in this game on some level suspected I was town gun playing it cool

I have not ftr

You're not town either now are you?

See this is a scum post
Town doesn't just assume people pushing them = scum

[SirCakez]

maybe some players do but ABR is better than that

[SirCakez]

i think cakez is town. I am weaker on DC but his convo with me felt town in his thought processes. His push on you doesn't seem genuine in my mind because he seems to be ignoring what ur doing. Like not trying to figure u out. But ur kind of doing this bluster thing so maybe he thinks its better for him to ignore it for most part?

Look up past DC scum games. Same BS.

Sircakez played an excellent game but there's no way he follows DC like that as town, he knows who I am and what I'm capable of and Firebringer, when Sircakez read what you said about me, if that didn't ring true in every membrane of his body that's because he's scum.

I expected Cakez to have better meta on me than you FB. He is scum, trust me. DC the ringleader of them all.

What are you even talking about
Would you even be SRing me if I wasn't pushing you?

[SirCakez]

Vecna what are you doing?
Get that crap out of here

[SirCakez]

ABR has gone off the deep end

[SirCakez]

ABR you're telling me you don't flip out as scum?

[SirCakez]

why arent u responding to my plan ABR?

Your plan doesnt work without firebringer and im not changing votes. You with me or against me and knowing our history I dont blame you to be against me

I havent made up my mind. I think theres like a 60% chance or more youre stuck in a TvT here and that cakez and co are sitting on the sidelines fanning the flames

Nice shading
Engage me or get out

[SirCakez]

ABR you're telling me you don't flip out as scum?

IT IS PRETTY OBVIOUS WHEN IM TOWN AND WHEN IM SCUM

IT IS WELL KNOWN I HATE DRAWING SCUM AND HAVE NO PASSION

THIS IS FUCKING PASSION.

YOU KNOW THIS AND THE ONLY REASON YOU CAN VOTE ME IS YOURE SCUM TOO.

You had NO passion earlier
This is just you faking because of the wagon on you

why arent u responding to my plan ABR?

Your plan doesnt work without firebringer and im not changing votes. You with me or against me and knowing our history I dont blame you to be against me

I havent made up my mind. I think theres like a 60% chance or more youre stuck in a TvT here and that cakez and co are sitting on the sidelines fanning the flames

Nice shading
Engage me or get out

That wasnt shading, and youre just trying to use the keyword from last game.

I think youre likely scum here. What do you want me to engage you on?

Why am I scum

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE: farside. Either ABR is town, and then probably right, or scum, in which case this is a really bad play. Why would scum be this aggressive pushing 1 townie? Worst case ABR is town and wrong, but then we still probably find out tonight with NKs. this is wayyyy better than any of the other wagons, and even if DC flips town, this is real progression. I don't know any of you, but im leaning towards lilith being naive and town, with farside giving intentionally bad reads. Farside is in queue for at least one other game, so doesn't currently feel overwhelmed. If play is subpar for her, its probably on purpose. Vecna flip-flop is a bit odd, and vecna does some off somewhat as tyring to sheep-without-sheeping this game. He has been reading most people the same way town~majority does, iirc. VOTE: doncorleone

You obviously don't understand ABR's meta

For one, youre not scumreading anyone with a strong passion like you did me last game.

Youre passive as fuck all. I dont see any genuine solving from you.

I cannot follow your logic at all why you do things. I could even see where u were coming from in a weird way while u were tunneling me last game and manage to townread you through it all.

Trust me, its not me that is at fault here if youre town. Youre fundamentally different here, and I think the cause is a red role pm

there's been literally jack shit to be passionate about in this game until the last 24 hours because everyone was so apathetic
again and again people try to use fundamentally different gamestates to try to meta me and it flops. The same thing happened in Doubles when people tried to compare it to Hungarian Music 1.
I finally have something to latch onto with ABR's scum-motivated progression.

[SirCakez]

ABR starts screaming and everyone is like "omg he was town all along" when he KNOWS his passion is associated with him being town so he brought it out when we started wagoning him
EVEN THOUGH he spent most of today as the most apathetic, least scumhunting player in the game
bullshit

[SirCakez]

he had no scumread on me until I started pushing him and then suddenly his solve was "it's the two people pushing me"
it's garbage I know he's WAY better than this as town

[SirCakez]

so scumcakez is making no effort to bus.
lilith is pondering while they discuss in PT
farside is freaking out and thought, cant wait for PT, better just bus.
something smart is thinking "if i just stay the hell out of this, they wont realize im scum"
FB is trying to get a counterwagon going to distract/pull votes
vecna and chkflip saw this coming, and hopped on the wagon early.
everyone else is afk
thats a lot of scum tho... some would say too many scum...

what kind of useless post is this?

[SirCakez]

definitely could see (eyestott/abr) team

[SirCakez]

ftr I'd vote Maria after hearing about her meta
I just think ABR has higher scum equity

[SirCakez]

Once DC flips town we can murder ABR yeah?

[SirCakez]

ABR is totally ignoring me because he knows my meta of him is right and his play for 90% of today was not town
Other people unvotes cuz they are weaksauce and are scared of the loud man
or they are scum perhaps

If we want to talk about on the sidelines I present eyestott, who was coasting even before this real-life event came up

[SirCakez]

ABR is totally ignoring me because he knows my meta of him is right and his play for 90% of today was not town
Other people unvotes cuz they are weaksauce and are scared of the loud man
or they are scum perhaps

If we want to talk about on the sidelines I present eyestott, who was coasting even before this real-life event came up

Don't be salty you got caught, sir. Your game was tight enough to slip past most players' scumdar. I'm vigging you tonight and we can chat in the post-game tomorrow.

bring it scumbag
I'll enjoy sipping tea in the dead thread and watching this town burn itself down because they are blind

[SirCakez]

bring it scumbag
I'll enjoy sipping tea in the dead thread and watching this town burn itself down because they are blind

You are not helping

I know
But I've been accused of "not being passionate" and "coasting"
so engaging I go

Nice. You sound almost as pro-town as me

Did you ask DC to vote me in your scum pt?

I actually asked your scumbuddy eyestott first
I also asked Vecna and Farside but they seem not to be interested

[SirCakez]

he started it!!!

[SirCakez]

I look forward to post game when I can go back through ABR's pronouncements on my scum-ness once it's outed that I'm town.

this post is town AF I literally had the same thought in Doubles Mafia more than once when Churros was death tunneling me
farside knows what I'm talking about

I wouldn't say I have scum meta for ABR like this but I sure as hell don't have town meta for it

[SirCakez]

ABR will you self-vig if DC flips town?

[SirCakez]

Albert if Don is town who is scum?
btw I can't believe you changed your avatar

[SirCakez]

Because you've had it since I joined MS

[SirCakez]

Getting shitwagoned to death always throws my reads off but probably (

farside, chkflip, eyestott/Knightmare, Lilith/cakez, Vecna

?) should have all the scum, where each forward slash pair is one scum max in that group and Vecna is the one I’m least confident on but don’t really want to check.

Also for fuck’s sake stop letting ABR lead anything. Scum if you’re elsewhere than in those names then I think you’re playing well and I’ll be rooting for you in dead thread!

Hold on. Are you saying you're willing to lynch any player in your POE?

I'm pretty sure that cakez is scum and the last couple pages took real effort and humility for you to descend to such antitown depths, so I'm willing to move my vote for cakez if you are.

A.k.a my mislynch is offering too much resistance so lemme try something else

So things got weird here.

Ummm are we gonna do Maria lynch then?

Why are you townreading cakez?

Doesn’t really feel scum motivated?
I mean most scummy thing he did was push u I guess and I think that has a lot to do with u two being in a weird slap fist fight

Idk he feels town that doesn’t have time for this game

Fire what's your ABR read?
And how is my push on him scummy?

ABR is totally ignoring me because he knows my meta of him is right and his play for 90% of today was not town
Other people unvotes cuz they are weaksauce and are scared of the loud man
or they are scum perhaps

If we want to talk about on the sidelines I present eyestott, who was coasting even before this real-life event came up

Don't be salty you got caught, sir. Your game was tight enough to slip past most players' scumdar. I'm vigging you tonight and we can chat in the post-game tomorrow.

bring it scumbag
I'll enjoy sipping tea in the dead thread and watching this town burn itself down because they are blind

Cakez, question

Why were you townreading me so easily this game, while you were so suspicious of me last time?

My game is way scummier this time around, yet youre almost trusting me blindly and havent picked up on and questioned anything (or barely anything)

I misread you really badly in Doubles. I feel I have a better grasp on your playstyle now. And I'm not interested in pushing you today anyways.

[SirCakez]

That said the same goes to abr. You signed up to play mafia. Not all games are fair, fun, balanced, ectra.
No shooting claimed gun player from other claimed gun player.

They both have huge SRs on each other. Why wouldn't they shoot each other?

[SirCakez]

I feel like I missed things.
How can we discern between town and scum gun shots farside?

[SirCakez]

So why cakez are you fine with them each shooting each other?

I misunderstood mechanics
At the time I thought that having two contested slots off each other made sense

[SirCakez]

So why cakez are you fine with them each shooting each other?

I misunderstood mechanics
At the time I thought that having two contested slots off each other made sense

What did you think the mechanics were?

it was moreso that I wasn't paying attention and didn't realize we could conf people

[SirCakez]

how am I a sheep? I'm the only one still on ABR at this point.

[SirCakez]

the fact that that's the one part of my post that you latched onto makes me scumread you even more.

yeah ok
I ignored the rest because it was stuff that I understood and I can't really defend. Like I'm confident in ABR being scum because of what I know about him but I can understand why people think I'm white-knighting or whatever.

[SirCakez]

It's scummy you're not trying to save yourself by voting sircakez or DC earlier.

????????????????????????

[SirCakez]

It's scummy you're not trying to save yourself by voting sircakez or DC earlier.

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1 day before deadline and she's off on a vanity wagon. She's been doing her own thing this entire game instead of collaborating with others to scumhunt with her townreads.

Both of you are scummy as hell.

who cares about collaboration when the people trying to collaborate are scum like you
I'll compromise but I won't like it

[SirCakez]

Cakez: why are you still voting abr

I had hope that the wagon would happen but whatever
annoying as fuck that people are listening to ABR and I'm turning into the scum-designated mislynch cuz ABR couldn't get Don through
chkflip's and farside's votes suck

[SirCakez]

DonCorleone [6] - Albert B. Rampage, chkflip, Vecna, farside22, votato, DonCorleone

The fucking Don wagon is just moving onto me. I bet at least 1 more scum in here if not two on top of ABR.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Maria since people want to do this and apparently this is her meta regardless of alignment and she's not spewing town to me
plus info

[SirCakez]

hmmm Maria scum could make sense with the Don/me wagons
scum trying to get attention away from her perhaps?

[SirCakez]

surprised ABR is voting Maria instead of me
hmmm

[SirCakez]

I've been saying I would compromise on her for days

[SirCakez]

Votato your push on me is hella opportunistic

[SirCakez]

I've been saying I would compromise on her for days

I've been saying I would compromise on her for days

I've been saying I would compromise on her for days

[SirCakez]

Agree Maria's catch-up was not great and Paragon was off

I haven't played with MariaR in several years
Is this her typical meta?
farside SRing me for that is ridiculous

ok then I might be wrong

ftr I'd vote Maria after hearing about her meta
I just think ABR has higher scum equity

Fuck off

[SirCakez]

Votato is opportunistic because he literally developed his scumread on me in one post. I actually have progression.

[SirCakez]

Honestly there was a point where I started skimming the fights you were in because they were mind numbing to read

[SirCakez]

Yes your read on me literally appeared as the wagon started yesterday

[SirCakez]

The narrative changes from "cakez is distancing because he's going to be lynched" to "cakez has been distancing for a while"
Get out of here

[SirCakez]

I have too many scumreads this sucks

[SirCakez]

I love that the couterwagon to Cakez has two people on it that haven't moved in ages and aren't actively participating in the discussion. I'm not scum-reading either of them, just find it funny.

What's the point of this post

[SirCakez]

Can we put down the snarkiness for a few minutes.
Cakez: who are your scum reads.

ABR is top obviously
Eyestott is someone who was really scummy earlier but their current disappearance is NAI so I'm not sure anymore
Maria is light scum lean
I've been unsure on Ico and knightmare all game.
And probably someone who hopped on me with ABR (either votato or ckh) is scum

Like I said too many SRs

[SirCakez]

I would compromise on any of those

[SirCakez]

What's the point of this post

Happen to notice what happened after I said it?

Literally nothing?

Hey guys I have a secret scumread; my top SR is actually firebringer

[SirCakez]

What's the point of this post

Happen to notice what happened after I said it?

Literally nothing?

Hey guys I have a secret scumread; my top SR is actually firebringer

Oh really? Explain?

It was a joke because he complained he wasn't in my scum pool haha

[SirCakez]

Maria still claims to TR me and yet is voting me. Ok.
Vecna drunk posting seems kinda fake? Like drunk does not = suddenly unable to spell

[SirCakez]

I'm being that guy

[SirCakez]

Okay, SirCakez.

SirCakez, okay.

Okay, SirCakez.

Tell me, in great detail -- nay, the

greatest

detail -- how "FaKe DrUnKpOsTiNg LoL" helps any player, of any alignment, at any point, in any game in the history of this entire website. I'm talking links. I'm talking parenthetical references.

Because if you're going to waste the game's time with that goofy shit you better put the legwork in son.

I have no idea
but tell me I'm wrong that it looks fake

@lilith, cakez, Maria, S_S -- what do you think of Iconeum?

I have been waffling on Ico all game. Apparently they have a scummy playstyle but also they are really scummy! So idk. I think he is a good shot. I would vote it but not top priority for me.

If we do lynch cakez today then I'm shooting icon, in response to your question from before, ABR.

don't worry i'm returning the favour

what does this mean?
we have a confirmed scum in the gun claims now don't we?

[SirCakez]

iirc farside said there were 3 gun claims pre-Ico claim?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: knightmare fine

[SirCakez]

I didn't really have a SR here earlier but it is weird he is absent and I didn't like his massclaim push so whatever

[SirCakez]

lilith you changed your avatar :O

[SirCakez]

I've had this avatar for five years...
I can't do it
and yeah Knightmare only showing up now with a wagon on him sucks

[SirCakez]

claim?

[SirCakez]

claim?

mmmmm this is scummy

Why

[SirCakez]

How are you answering for chkflip

[SirCakez]

I have not noticed before
Answer my question or piss off

[SirCakez]

Lilith ;(

[SirCakez]

I think I just have to enter every game scumreading you now

[SirCakez]

yup
could be a secret Alisae game
ya never know

[SirCakez]

Remember future Town Guns, you can save a life by holstering your gun!

But why holster when you can

[SirCakez]

What are you modding next FG?

[SirCakez]

I think I just have to enter every game scumreading you now

I didn't understand how you could scumread me lol

dude until you got called out you weren't playing to your town meta AT AL

[SirCakez]

Dang gobbles I never would have guessed