Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[eyestott]

town staunchly

sticking

to their pro-scum ideals

[lilith2013]

@chkflip: This is not about trying to “townlead” you. I’m legitimately confused as to why you are not joining a wagon on votato when you spent the majority of 5-10 pages trying to get him lynched, and have basically voteparked ABR who all of 1 other person is also voting. Can you explain this?

[Iconeum]

Lilith is town leader

+1

[Vecna]

SirCakez is sounding like he's trying to lure me into his van with candy

Moved from bracket 2 to bracket 3

[Iconeum]

hello firebringer

i've yet to have a game where i read you correctly

plz helpp

[Albert B. Rampage]

@chkflip: This is not about trying to “townlead” you. I’m legitimately confused as to why you are not joining a wagon on votato when you spent the majority of 5-10 pages trying to get him lynched, and have basically voteparked ABR who all of 1 other person is also voting. Can you explain this?

I am baiting him to vote for me and he is an easy mark.

[Iconeum]

SirCakez is sounding like he's trying to lure me into his van with candy

Moved from bracket 2 to bracket 3

how do you scumread someone for having candy

i suppose it depends on the candy

[lilith2013]

Cakes please explain your read on Vecna

[Vecna]

Yes, that would indeed be good.

Do it without using that one line where I call my own catchup mediocre

[chkflip]

@chkflip: This is not about trying to “townlead” you. I’m legitimately confused as to why you are not joining a wagon on votato when you spent the majority of 5-10 pages trying to get him lynched, and have basically voteparked ABR who all of 1 other person is also voting. Can you explain this?

I think scum!vottato is more valuable to town alive than scum!Rampage.

Need I elaborate further?

[eyestott]

i don't like that iconeum finally shows up and doesn't contribute anything. I was gonna swap my vote but then chk gives that super weak abr vote, so it gets to stay

Wow this was horrible. A whole post of wishywashy nonsense

VOTE: votato

Ahhh my bad Lilith, first time I read this and responded to it I’m not sure what happened, but I confused votato and iconeum.
Please ignore the post directed at you.

[lilith2013]

In a shocking turn of events, I am actually wagoning the person ABR called obvscum at the beginning of this game............

ABR was right, our reads have been “forcibly aligned”

[SirCakez]

SirCakez is sounding like he's trying to lure me into his van with candy

Moved from bracket 2 to bracket 3

yeah be my buddy dude!!!!
I liked his catchup for town, it had good scumhunting and made sense. Called out his own lurking. And he caught shit I missed.

[lilith2013]

@chkflip: This is not about trying to “townlead” you. I’m legitimately confused as to why you are not joining a wagon on votato when you spent the majority of 5-10 pages trying to get him lynched, and have basically voteparked ABR who all of 1 other person is also voting. Can you explain this?

I think scum!vottato is more valuable to town alive than scum!Rampage.

Need I elaborate further?

Okay that was all I wanted to hear

[Iconeum]

I think scum!vottato is more valuable to town alive than scum!Rampage.Need I elaborate further?

actually i understand that, but it doesn't work if scum *knows* it's caught so...

[lilith2013]

SirCakez is sounding like he's trying to lure me into his van with candy

Moved from bracket 2 to bracket 3

yeah be my buddy dude!!!!
I liked his catchup for town, it had good scumhunting and made sense. Called out his own lurking. And he caught shit I missed.

Can you point to the parts of his posts that consisted of “shit you missed”?

[Vecna]

I dno, my gut while reading Potato was feeling good things during my catchup. Clearly I didnt read in-depth, but you could be making a mistake on a derper.

ABR on the other hand is always fun to lynch.

Chkflip claiming he has a scumread there but has a strong preference....hmmm. A bit odd.

If you already caught 2/3 by having potato being that obvious, and scum have daychat, he wouldve been told to shhhhuuuuutit by now, id imagine.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

There are 8

Town

Roses

remaining.

I have something in mind to give us a slight edge. Will talk about it later.

So the plan is simple, we know we have 8 townies with roses, that means there's three with guns.
So one by one we just claim whether we have a gun or not. No need to claim what night it will be used on. That way we basically get 3 ICs and reduce the lynchpool by 3.

bad, bad bad bad post

So the plan is simple, we know we have 8 townies with roses, that means there's three with guns.
So one by one we just claim whether we have a gun or not. No need to claim what night it will be used on. That way we basically get 3 ICs and reduce the lynchpool by 3.

I see a flaw in your plan! What stops 1 of the scum from claiming gun? Do you still lynch in the guns aiming to hit them?

If you were joking, I apologise and give you permission to berate me.

Scum either choose to give us 3 ICs or put themselves in the lynchpool. If all 3 scum choose to claim having a gun then we can make the 3 shoot the other 3.

This post really is devoid of thought, and assumes scum are all in the bottom 10% of players.

Scum simply have 1 person claim a gun and 2 person claim a rose. Our chances of finding scum in either of these pools are still =~= random while scum now has a roadmap to victory regardless of their actual picks

There, I gave them the optimal strategy so we can put this dumb discussion to rest.

If you really thought scum with pre-game chat hadnt figured that one out, then youre underestimating them to such an extent that we shouldve caught them all already.

I have more solving than setup-spec in my ISO, Cakez! I implore you to look again.

What about Something_Smart's reaction to you was weird? Is your solidified read beyond what you explained in 77?

I feel like I'm going in circles talking about this S_S read and I'd like to move on

Hmm, alright.

Very odd succession of posts here. Someone makes a statement, you counter it and ask them to look again, they reply they wanna move on due to a non-related matter and youre just like "ok".

weird

Basically the Knightmare takedown and calling out Paragon's weird progression on me

[Vecna]

time to watch better call saul season finale woo

[Albert B. Rampage]

time to watch better call saul season finale woo

It's good. Gus is a dangerous motherfucker.

[chkflip]

Scum can be very confident, I'm only one voice (and not a very good one most of the time), and I've thus far been mostly ignored/overlooked (for good reason, it's mostly gut, no complaints).

[Something_Smart]

Wow this was horrible. A whole post of wishywashy nonsense

Maybe it was bad, but is it scummy?

[lilith2013]

I think so. If he still thinks chkflip is worthy of a vote, why no direct interaction with that slot now? He posted a case and then kind of just dropped it and I think he’s the only one on the wagon. Would expect more pushing if he truly scumreads chkflip. He also basically said “it’s fun tunneling [chkflip].” I see no engagement with anyone else and no other reads expressed. The best he can come up with is a non-stance on Iconeum. chkflip is the only slot he’s directly interacted with all game (as in, had an actual engagement with and made posts directed to chkflip instead of into the general atmosphere) and see my feelings on that above.

What about my stance on him do you disagree with?

[DonCorleone]

Mass claiming here hurts town tremendously and is of massive benefit to scum. This has been clearly explained by multiple people and yet knightmare is still trying to push for it to happen or arguing that it would be of benefit to town, which at this point I think has to be disingenuous.

Right, because all people are perfectly rational, confirmation bias doesn't exist, and all arguments are perfectly airtight.

I don't really see your point. Knightmare pushing massclaim is pushing a scum agenda. If he lives, he's just a likely mislynch further down the road when people start getting paranoid if we haven't hit scum, as scum will then have the option of going back and saying "look, look what Knightmare was pushing on D1 he's probably just scum after all!".

Like I'd rather just remove the variable. I don't see why he's town beyond "scum wouldn't push this" and if he's liable to keep pushing mass claims (which seems more likely given that he won't admit it's a terrible plan) then let's just remove him today?

[DonCorleone]

Hmm, momo is posting a elsewhere on site but chose not to respond to his role PM in this game. Also, firebringer appears to be happy. I’m moving him out of my townreads and into my probable scum group.

Whose alt are you? The initial guess was RC but you dont sound like an RC.

Anyways, this reasoning feels like something I can agree on. Somewhat.

vecna, please see:

I have one or two thoughts about it, they do seem kind of familiar.

I will state now that I am also, obviously, an alt, but good luck figuring it out. As I’m playing on this for the purpose of remaining anonymous this is the only reference I’ll make to it and will not be indulging any speculation that may or may not occur regarding my main.