Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[lilith2013]

I would like to talk to anyone who is not ABR or chkflip, currently.

DC, why did you pick voting ABR over joining the existing wagon on eyestott, who was also in your scumpool?

I don't know, really. Partly because the game felt stalled and I was thinking that might be because eyestott was town and scum were fine with his lynch. Like my preferred trio there was (eyestott, knightmare, ABR) and two of those hadn't resulted in much happening re:gamestate. So it just seemed more productive to go somewhere new.

Hey DC, can we come back to this? If eyestott and knightmare wagons are on town, then wouldn’t scum be trying to keep pushing those lynches through? Iirc the Maria wagon was building already by the time you voted ABR- you didn’t think that could be a scum-driven counterwagon?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't really know what to tell you then ABR besides you're just, wrong. Maybe you don't understand my game, but I suppose that's all I had to say.

Look if you want me to take my vote to cakez you have to vote for cakez too. I don't know what else to tell you. If you want to leave it to tomorrow during a deadline scramble, that's the risk you choose to take.

[lilith2013]

Chkflip was still scumreading votato until ABR started pushing and then was apparently totally fine with votato’s slot being on the same wagon as him and stopped pushing votato completely.

Can you explain this progression chkflip?

[chkflip]

Aside from being too focused on someone who was being extraordinarily rude, no, not really.

[farside22]

yeah I'm really not sure what to make of ABR/DC anymore. But i think perhaps whats left of them is best left for day 2. DC's reads have consistently been similar to mine, which is hard to scumread for. Parts of the defense were too AtE and seemed a bit forced possibly. Like i said yesterday, I'm not sure how to read ABR, but it seemed like a bad scumplay to push DC like that. The trade just isnt worth it. ABR seemed super sure. Looking back, if you have a read that strong, i feel like you (ABR) need to reveal who you think the main of DC is so we can judge for ourselves whether your case has merit.

My lynchpool for today is currently: {chkflip, cakez, farside, lilith}.

@lilith why is it scummy for chkflip to get on the DC wagon with me after SRing me, but not scummy for me to do the same after SRing chk? also, your lynch pool now stands at 7 people, right? do you scum read all 7? There's something in the way lilith changes her mind that feels off, but its just a gut feeling. Maybe a close look over her ISO would shed light. I might do that later if this wagon gets going.

that said, I noted opportunistic behavior from chkflip earlier: he was on both KM and my initial wagons, both of which were for super low-hanging fruit. I've made previous arguments for this wagon too.

farside always seems to be arguing against me. I'm sure I'm wrong about some things, maybe even most things. But it seems hard to believe that a fellow townie could be this diametrically opposed to me on reads. I've made previous arguments here.

cakez is largely a sheep. I dont like the defense of DC earlier. the 100% insistence on DC's innocence to me either says scum defending non-scum for townpoints post-flip, or scum defending scum. I don't see why a townie could be that confident. Maybe I'm wrong? Maybe the confidence was played up to increase the likelihood of being taken seriously? I'll leave that for more experienced players to decide. For me, it seems scummy tho.

pedit: I don't think theres anything to be gained from metaing me at this stage. even within this game i think my playstyle has altered drastically.

Meh it is a bad thing i do. I get arrogant and pissy when i see something so blantly scummy and people dont i go into an angry no coming out pissing match.
There is meta for that.

how am I a sheep? I'm the only one still on ABR at this point.

@Chkflip

the main points for why I'm scumreading Vecna are in my iso. The way he reacted to pressure when voting you compared when he put down the vote in the first place. Combine this with illogical reasoning and ways to interpret things. I don't see why I should townread him nor has anyone really gave me reasons to do so. Same goes for my other scumreads.

See i will add this to my scum read on her.
Its again vague reasoning to hold a scum read on someone.

And no i am not going to start another shit post argument that maria is trying to do.
I will even tell player to lynch me tomorrow is maria flips town.
Thats how sure i am of my scum read.
Just like i felt with bb in the last game i played with venca and cakez i am that sure.

[farside22]

Cakez: why are you still voting abr

[MariaR]

I don't really know what to tell you then ABR besides you're just, wrong. Maybe you don't understand my game, but I suppose that's all I had to say.

Look if you want me to take my vote to cakez you have to vote for cakez too. I don't know what else to tell you. If you want to leave it to tomorrow during a deadline scramble, that's the risk you choose to take.

It's not the vote on me that has me going eh it's more the fact you're scumreading me. I get why a certain few people are scumreading me due to either I think they're scum or they have a grudge. But I think you're town so I'd rather try to convince you otherwise. Also apparently my days are numbered anyways cause if Cakez flips scum I'm getting shot in the face so...

[MariaR]

Its again vague reasoning to hold a scum read on someone.

Look in the mirror.

[MariaR]

That's fine, that makes 2 players I can't interact with in this playerlist. That's pretty demotivating but, whatever.

[farside22]

VoteCount 1.11

eyestott [2] - Knightmare491, Something_Smart
Knightmare491 [1] - eyestott
MariaR [2] - Iconeum, Firebringer
Albert B. Rampage [1] - SirCakez
DonCorleone [6] - Albert B. Rampage, chkflip, Vecna, farside22, votato, DonCorleone
farside22 [1] - MariaR

Not Voting [1]

- lilith2013

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-02 23:35:31)

One misconception i saw was time to lynch.
There is the time. Its not 2 days its just over 1 day.

[chkflip]

Yyyyyyyyep. And for whatever reason we started a new wagon on Cakez. I can't even but I don't care to fight it

[farside22]

Its again vague reasoning to hold a scum read on someone.

Look in the mirror.

I know your trying to do more shit posting to start an agrument.
Im helping the guns around and from shooting each othet.
You can try to bury that but i will keep remind those out to shot the plays they are scum reading.
Are you scared of being shot?

[MariaR]

I've never once not once tried to start an argument with you. I've wanted to engage and talk with you because we both scumread each other and I want to deal with that because I love doing that. You misrep certain things I say. You think I'm scummy or say stuff that's wrong about you. So why can't we talk like civilized people? I don't know why that's so hard.

Who tries to start an argument? Where's the fun in that? Even if you think I'm scum who tf does that? All I've wanted to do was engage with you but you ignore me all the time because you know, you were a popular townread and sometimes in the back of my mind I go 'maybe I'm wrong let's talk with her' but no I can't even do that. I do think you're scum because the way you treat this is just ugh. I get your meta is death tunneling from what I hear but ignoring the player you death tunnel? I don't get it.

I'ma take a break from the thread I shouldn't let 2 people ruin my mood when the rest of the playerlist is fine.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's fine, that makes 2 players I can't interact with in this playerlist. That's pretty demotivating but, whatever.

I don't see pro-town motivation from you to stay alive or to join the action where it's happening, I just see someone content to sit on their vote while making empty posts that don't convince anyone or move any votes.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If I were you Maria and I saw resistance to farside being lynched 1 day before deadline, I wouldn't waste my energy on it.

[farside22]

I've never once not once tried to start an argument with you. I've wanted to engage and talk with you because we both scumread each other and I want to deal with that because I love doing that. You misrep certain things I say. You think I'm scummy or say stuff that's wrong about you. So why can't we talk like civilized people? I don't know why that's so hard.

Who tries to start an argument? Where's the fun in that? Even if you think I'm scum who tf does that? All I've wanted to do was engage with you but you ignore me all the time because you know, you were a popular townread and sometimes in the back of my mind I go 'maybe I'm wrong let's talk with her' but no I can't even do that. I do think you're scum because the way you treat this is just ugh. I get your meta is death tunneling from what I hear but ignoring the player you death tunnel? I don't get it.

I'ma take a break from the thread I shouldn't let 2 people ruin my mood when the rest of the playerlist is fine.

I tried engaging you. I got the run around response repeatedly.
Why would i want to bang my head on that again with a deadline 32 hours away?
I offered my own lynch and the only thing you did was tunnel on me and smear my name to others when i wasn't here.
Then when i come back you become catty again, so no im not going to interact with someone who is accusing me of something they are doing themselves.
I can step back and reassess this game for a town win.
That is my goal right now.
If your town vote cakez.

[farside22]

Abr: if cakez goes through aim for venca.
I just iso maria and reread it without hate and maybe wrong about how i was interpreted her post.
You can slap me later.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Abr: if cakez goes through aim for venca.
I just iso maria and reread it without hate and maybe wrong about how i was interpreted her post.
You can slap me later.

Ok!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Don who are you shooting tonight?

[farside22]

Does farside normally ignore her scumreads or anything her scumreads say? Like, is that normal for her? Please let me know so I can figure out if it's worth trying to speak to her

Just an fyi. I found in the past i would go multiple pages arguing with some i was scum reading and the games became much more toxic then this. I just thought it would be best not to bring that to the game.
Obviously this is still a work in progress

[farside22]

VOTE: cakez

[SirCakez]

Cakez: why are you still voting abr

I had hope that the wagon would happen but whatever
annoying as fuck that people are listening to ABR and I'm turning into the scum-designated mislynch cuz ABR couldn't get Don through
chkflip's and farside's votes suck

[SirCakez]

DonCorleone [6] - Albert B. Rampage, chkflip, Vecna, farside22, votato, DonCorleone

The fucking Don wagon is just moving onto me. I bet at least 1 more scum in here if not two on top of ABR.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Maria since people want to do this and apparently this is her meta regardless of alignment and she's not spewing town to me
plus info

[SirCakez]

hmmm Maria scum could make sense with the Don/me wagons
scum trying to get attention away from her perhaps?