Monty Python's Mafia Circus Game Over

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Vote: Imaginality

1.) Far too silly
2.) fibbing about post restriction?
3.) All this Bruce nonsense is much too difficult to follow

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I'm not even sure what we are looking for. It appears we need to off the silliest though.
Sillies:
1.) Imaginality - Bruce nonsense
2.) Pokerface - nicotine obsessed
3.) Lord Gurgi - trying to sell a dead bird...yuck

I'm comfy with the Imaginality lynch today. The town needs to get rid of people through voting, and it appears that he's only capable of voting one person...who isn't even in this game. Burn the witch!

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Maybe poker does not actually need a cig, maybe it's just a post restriction?
Anyway, I'm honestly not sure what we're looking for here. Should we assume that the flavortext is mostly meaningless and we aren't looking for the silliest?

Doing MontyPython research and I haven't yet come across any char's that harm anyone...and all the dying in Salad Days was caused by chain reaction, not so much one person or a group of people.

I still say we get rid of Imaginality to eliminate the Bruce confusion.

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so...are you voting me because I suggested an Imaginality lynch, or because you think I'm scummy?
If you think I'm scummy, could you elaborate?

I'm just trying to figure out where to start, which (no offense) is more than you've done so far.

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So what was your reason for voting Imaginality before?

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unvote:Iron Man

who didn't even react to my vote much

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Which followed a joke vote on Bruce, a random vote on farside, and a vote on Ironman.

You voted w/ no explanation, what exactly did you want me to address?

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as to Ironman, maybe he likes massclaims?

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You voted him for a serious reason...but when he didn't react you decided to vote someone else?

Your vote hopping honestly made me not take your vote seriously. You had just unvoted someone because they didn't react, so what reason would I have to react? Especially when you give no reasons for your vote. It just seemed like another hollow vote that you'd casually drop in a post or two.

In the future, if you want a reaction, how about giving some reasons and something to actually react to?

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Well now who the hell is Bruce? He's made it onto the votecount now, I say we lynch him.

Also, if you read my reasons for voting Imaginality, it wasn't simply because it was silly or annoying, that just shows that you are skimming and looking for perfunctory reasons to claim scumness. I said that if he can only vote for a player that is not in this game (i.e., "Bruce"), then he wont really be a contributing member of the town when it comes to lynchings and whatnot. I'm reconsidering my stance as there is apparently a Bruce somewhere in the game.

That said:

unvote, vote: Bruce

But IGMEOY Mirth.
You voted Iron Man but unvoted him saying that he didn't react.
You voted me with no stated reason. Someone else voted me and you say "OH yes, I'm voting her too, and notice how she hasn't responded, confirmage".
This makes me think you weren't so interested in my reaction or Ironman's reaction, you were interested in town's reaction. It looks so much less scummy when you are the one that STARTED a bandwagon than if you just hop on in the middle or near the end, right? Convenient, just keep hopping around with your votes until someone else votes along with you and then confirm your vote.

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Well, sorry you dont like my reasons for voting, not sure what I can say to that. Obviously, I like my reasons for voting

Sure, I'd much rather vote someone because they said something like, "Oh, my role? I'm mafi--oops oops, I mean...errrrm...I'm a notorious silly walker, yes yes, nothing to see here, move along" ...but unfortunately nothing like that has happened so I'm going with the possible least helpful member of the cast, until something better comes along.

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Thanks Lord Gurgi...I think
Anyway, so yeah, maybe its bad play or a stupid idea, but it doesn't seem scummy to me either and I'm, ofcourse, completely unbiased.

Gurgi - do you have leeway in your post restriction like imaginality does?

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...I think it was an accident ... ?

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Ok, but do you think it's scummy?

I, possibly mistaken (who knows), thought that we were looking for the silliest players because of the flavortext - only being able to call people Bruce and only being able to vote for "Bruce" who isn't in the game, is pretty darn silly as well as useless to the town.

So sure, you can call that bad play if you want, but I dont think it's scummy. And neither does Lord Gurgi .....so there

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I know that now...or guessed it. I've removed my vote on him.

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already answered that Mirthykins. You moved on from your last "serious" vote because the person didn't react... I figured there wasn't a need to react as you'd probably just move on shortly, and that thought was strengthened by the fact that you didn't post any reason for voting me.

Thought you were just being flakey.

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I'd expect no less - wouldn't want to be seen as "flakey" by removing your vote

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What was with the backwards post Luigi? ...explanation please

and DBE, I dont think the mod would create a post restriction that restricted the

amount

someone could post, so what do you mean by your last post?

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@ Elvis & Knits - not saying voting is a bad thing, at all, but you both seem kinda jumpy, and your votes are following eachother. Maybe it's just a girl thing and I'm excluded because I'm not quite in "sync" with the bio-rhythms...meh

Anyway, I dont think Luigi Gangster warrants a vote until he's explained and answered questions.

@ Chensi - we're gonna need a little more to work with bud, anything, seriously, just talk.

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EBWOP - ElvisKnits & Mirth, not Elvis and Knits LoL it's been a long day

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my bad, the girls keep getting mixed up in my head, Elvis, Mirth farside...good god, grow a penis and differentiate yourselves All women look alike to me

I think this game has more females in it than any other game I've played...shaft.ed's such a ladies man
Prolly all his time spent in the "Period" thread.

So yeah, nevermind the first part of my last post, but the 2nd still stands. I want to hear an explanation from Luigi, we could be mistaking his intentions.

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I believe DBE restriction, I believe whatshisface just typed backwards for the heck of it.
I dont believe that chensi hasn't picked up anything worth talking about.

FoS: chensi

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actually did some quick meta and see that he's not new, and that he's actually a pretty decent poster in his other games.

I dont buy it, it's an act. He even said he didn't want to random vote because he was too confused. Town has no reason to be worried about random voting, etc. That, paired with the lack of content and what I see as "feigned confusion" =

unvote

(just in case I was voting, too lazy to look back)

Vote: chensi

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weren't you just griping at me for wanting to lynch someone for being confusing rather than being scummy?
Seriously, I'm asking, cuz I dont remember and I'm again too lazy to look back. I know it was one of you wemmins.

I dont think there is anything particularly scummy about making a backwards post. If it was a faked restriction, sure - but we're in a goofy Monty Python themed game. So he typed backwards, doesn't seem like a huge deal and atleast it was some content.

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Wouldn't you agree that faking a posting restriction is scummy? For some people who really have a restriction, adding to confusion is not their fault. If the restriction is faked, they are adding to the confusion on purpose. And that's scummy.

...but he never tried to make us think it was a post restriction. When he first did it I figured he was just doing it for the heck of it. There was no way (unless you think he's a tard) that he'd come several posts in and try to fake a restriction, especially after all the hawkeyes out there picking apart the validity of each post restriction.

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EBWOP: I'm not trying to defend Luigi, I just think that his backwards post wasn't all that scummy. I think chensi's (feigned) confusion and refusal to vote, even randomly, is more scummy.

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just realized I've been misspelling dudes name. Sorry chenhsi

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Heya Muerrto!
...I also didn't realize there was a bogre in this game. I should probably pay better attention to the player list on the front page

I really dont think Luigi was trying out a post restriction, really really dont. See my post 337. I'm not saying it isn't possible that he's a scum, I just dont think typing a post backwards is a scumtell. He never insinuated it was a post restriction, other players leaped to that conclusion. This is Monty Python mafia, and a lot of people have been doing/saying/linking to funny things and acting in a way they dont normally. I dont think a backwards post is that out of place in this circus.

STILL think chenhsi is waaaaaaaay bad-ier.

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Well hot-damn, we might be able to lynch us a scum day 1, yeeeee doggie

unvote, vote: DBE

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nah, if she turns up town, we'll go over spyrex tomorrow.

I still GMEOY Mirth, trying to seem townie by playing overly cautious...hmmmmm

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apologies - this is my first theme game so forgive me the lameness but...
Is it possible for two players to have the same role?

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hrmm...well now I'm not as sure. I think she's a buncha votes away from a lynch though, so I'll leave my vote for now.

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say a safeclaim is a role that the mod gives the scum as a non-scum claim they can make, and it's safe because nobody else has it? Or is it safe because it's actually in the game?

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so...if DBE's was a "safeclaim" that the mod gave her, then Spryex wouldn't be it as well, right?
::confusion::

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so Darla could be scum with a different safeclaim that she didn't want to use... but what are the odds that she'd come up with a role that was actually in this game? There are a ton of different char's in the circus and only a handful of us.
Maybe they both are?

ugh...

unvote: DBE

for now. I need to think about this one some more and I'd like to hear from her.

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I browsed through a good bit of your posts, you seem pretty confident. Your first game when you were a cop, you came out with guns-a-blazing, pretty tough player IMO

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is it possible someone's vote counts twice?

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oh dear, it appears I've been inactive...apologies. I've made some changes to living arrangements and I'm borrowing an uber crappy laptop at the moment. I should be back on my cushy desktop this weekend.
I'll see if I can do some reading and posting on this thing though.

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ooohkay, like I said, crappy laptop, so I did my best on a re-read (navigation is tricky) and I'll do my best with this post (really teeny keyboard, ick)

So I did mistakenly (maybe, who knows) think that we were looking for the silliest players, but I realize or atleast think that we are just going for plain old scummy and silly was just flavortext.

I'm not sure about DBE, her posts and explanations seem sincere to me, but the counterclaim is odd and with as much fun as the mod probably had making roles, I just dont see him handing out two of the same character... it's possible though, so I'm holding off on a vote. I'd be comfortable with a counterclaim lynch today though.

I'm not sure about Mirth, I've been suspicous, I still am a little bit, but she's safe from me today 'cuz there's bigger fish out there. Chenhsi has been a lurker, big time. No content, no opinions either way, nothing...and I know he's capable, Ive read his posts in other games.

I'd honestly feel more comfortable with a chenhsi lynch than a DBE lynch. Atleast with DBE, she's given me some points to ponder, she's been active, she's posted different possibilities. I think chenhsi's lack of contri is on the verge of treason towards the town.

Also - while reading Jordan's post, kinda rolled my eyes a bit and skimmed...I get a big scum vibe from him. He came in and quoted some stuff I said early on and agreed with Mirth...but I guess he either didn't read further for my explanations, or he just thought he could ride along on her coattails... I guess I could be biased though cuz I dont think I've been scummy at all. This is my first theme so it's a learning process (thought we were lynching sillies vs. scum) but honest mistakes and learning process...nothing scummy to further a scum cause. If it wouldn't help the scum in anyway, its probably not scummy, so quit latching on to my "bad play" and look for scummy stuff. I may not have the game mechanics down 100%, but I'm learning and I'm trying and, atleast in my humble and obviously unbiased opinion, I'm doing pretty decently.

The End.

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well, it's not a cut and dry counterclaim. It's not like a newbie game where you KNOW there's only one doc or one cop and if someone counterclaims than one of them HAS to be scum. We dont know what roles there are, it's possible (although as I stated, not incredibly probable) that there are two french taunters. Add to that DBE's activity and actual contribution..and I although something seems off, some of her posts sound really sincere. I'm just not 100% sure on her.

lurker is much more lynchable to me because he's being obvious and unhelpful. He's posted solid content in other games so I know he's capable, but for some reason this game has been his readheaded stepchild. He's not putting any effort into it, he seems skittish at best...he's not helping us at all and the whole thing reeks of scum.

If he begins posting some content, maybe says who he thinks is scummy or posts an opinion on the DBE Spyrex stuff...or anything, just some sort of content - then he could pretty quickly drop off my list.

But as it is, I'd feel more comfortable with him because nothing makes me waiver or tell myself "Hey, self, am I being to rash here?" Whereas with DBE, there is doubt.

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Hey, I'm just saying what I feel more comfortable with. It's how I feel and what I think. You can think whatever you want is valid or invalid, doesn't matter much to me. I'm just saying it as I see it.

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yesterdays lynch happened kind of unexpectedly, I thought we'd get more time to discuss. I hope chenhsi either starts posting or gets replaced today, those would be the polite options.
Maybe some pressure would help
vote: chenhsi

I'm confused by the Spyrex counterclaim because with the wealth of characters in Monty Python, I doubted there would be two of the same role - but I think it's possible. I think it would be a dangerous gambit for him to counterclaim as scum, I also think he seems pretty town-ish so far, although my mind could change given more time.

So in these theme games with so a vast array of characters and abilities, is it common to discuss all night actions, or play it close to the vest? What's the custom?

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didn't bold, redo

vote: chenhsi

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No.


also, there's a monty python skit where someone is trying to ask for a cigarette and matches and a conversation ensues with shoddy translation books and eventually one or the other is dragged off by the police...I'm a little rusty on it though, I'd have to do some youtube searching...but that's who I think pokerface is.

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AWw, you were asked to cuddle with an alpaca? So, did you? I probably would have, they are so cute and fuzzy...'cept for the talons and stingers...other than that, totally cuddle-licious.

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wait, hold on. Pokerface says his night action involved elvis and K7 asks him what I did last night and this is because the rest of the town missed something..and if we ask what it is then we're fishing...but you'll be able to explain it later?
whaaa?

OK, again, first theme - but aren't scum the only ones that can talk at night? Or can cult as well? Or is there another type of char that can talk at night? It seems like whatever happened between K7 and Poker must have happened during some type of nightphase communication, yes? or am I missing something ?

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I'm lost. It's obvious what K7 is implying? Could you let me in on it, cuz I have no idea. Just what do you think I did to Pokerface?

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Oh..wait, I guess you were joking? Because you were questioning him right before my post and he hadn't said anything additional, so I think you're just as in the dark as I am and being sarcastic...?

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well, if you think it involves me doing anything to Pokerface, then you're wrong.

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wow... why do you even bother playing if you dont want to post and interact?
That's more of a rhetoric question really.
My vote stands.

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48 hours?

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...Just waiting on the revelation. I also want to hear more about what Killa and Pokerface were talking about. I dont think there is going to be any event today that is going to make it better to come out with it, so saying "I'll tell you today, but just not right now" is 'tarded. Out with it, Spryex and Poker/seven.

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clarification - Spyrex, it's cool if you need to wait to see if anyone else was visited before revealing, that seems reasonable.

"Get on with it" was really directed at K7 & Poker

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Mirth, why is putting words in my mouth good?

What you said = not even close to what I'm saying so your questions is hard to answer.

I'll just re-iterate and try to make clearer my meaning...

Saying "There's this intriguing mystery, and I'm going to tell you all about it...today! ...but not yet, later, just cuz" is 'tarded. I dont think anything is going to happen today that would make it easier or better to say something later. Either dont say anything at all, or come right out with it.

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"OH God, she said her opinion might change, Obv scum tell" lolz
"She said this was her first theme game, Obv scum tell" lolz again

The first one is too silly to even address. The second one...I could understand if I was trying to ask for leeway, but I'm not. If you were actually trying to find scum and not just convenient "scum tells", you'd notice that when I mention I'm new, it isn't as an excuse for scummy behavior or as a plea for lee-way... it's as an apology for a question I have that I'm sure is going to sound stupid. From what I've seen, newbies in these games get absolutely no forgiveness or lee-way, they just get accused of "playing the newb card" so I see no benefit to letting people know this is my first game.

@Mirth - Spryex has asked a question and is waiting for responses before revealing, that I understand. Poker has just said "later", but it doesn't appear that he's waiting on anything. Meh, it might not be scummy, but I find it annoying as hell. Ofcourse, I'm the type of person that is driven crazy by wrapped presents... I HAVE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS!!!! ARRGHGHGHGHGH!!!! So maybe it's just me being irritated by a surprise looming on the horizon.
Just tell me already!!! I hate/love suspense.

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Hey guys - nothing pops up from memory and and I can't find anything on a google or youtube search. Could someone tell me who "Mr. Vibrating" is/was in Monty Python? Link perhaps?

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Oops, nevermind, found it. Must have misspelled it or something.

Carry on.

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Because I know he's in this game but I can't imagine what his power/allignment would be...and I dont see anyone with a post restriction that would match the role.

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'cuz I'm psychic

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Will everyone please chime in what they think of Spryex's bridgekeeper stuff? I'd like to hear an opinion from everyone - I think the information is important enough to warrant discussion.

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Dear Mirth,
I think you should visit Mr. Last and inquire about a fish license.

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I'm not really looking for speculation on a powerrole, I'm looking for opinions on Spryex's post. i.e., do you think he's telling the truth about being visited, and if not, what reason do you think he'd have to lie about it.

Mirth seems to be leaning towards him lying, I'm wondering what everyone else thinks.

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That (atleast to me) appears to be a strange reason to think someone is scum. What benefit do you think I'd obtain as scum by doing that?
I think more truthfully that you are trying to put pressure on me to roleclaim because you believe I have a night ability that may reveal roles, something very dangerous for scum.

I've still got my eye on you.

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Yeah, you caught me Mirth. Gosh darn your amazing super sleuth skills. That's exactly what I was doing.
I picked the most obscure character in an obscure Monty Python sketch and asked for a link. I was planning on doing that about 10-20 more times before finally someone said "Hey, that's my role" and then they would have fallen into my cleverly devised scumtrap.

And, just as you suspected - I was also researching a possible fakeclaim to use later so I figured I'd ask, on the 2nd day of the game, who a character was and ask for a link so I could claim it later.

Drats foiled again [/end sarcasm]

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and yes, I believe Spyrex, no I dont think he should say who he targeted.

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Ok, I really just want to hear from anyone who doesnt believe Spyrex, that's what I'm really interested in.

Mirth - you said you didn't believe him, elaborate?

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and by elaborate - specifically - why dont you believe him? Why do you think he's lying? Do you think he's scum? What benefit do you think he'd gain from lying about it?

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That would involve revealing my role. Would you like me to reveal my role?

Either way, I really want to hear from everyone what their opinion is on Spyrex's visit

@ EVERYONE

1.) Do you think Spyrex's claim of a visit is true?
2.) Why do you think it is true or not true?
3.) If you think he is lying - what benefit do you think he would get for lying and do you think he is scum.

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Because daddy didn't love me. ?
I dunno Mirth - but would you be so kind as to answer my question?

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I think he's the arguer.

Also, please note that by saying that giving reasons as to why I know he's in the game would reveal my role is not the same as saying that's my role. I think it's pretty clear that's not my role, or I would have known who he was as shaft.ed would have provided me with a nifty little link. Just making sure that's clear.

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Well, I'm honestly kicking myself in the butt for it as I was able to find it on google later. I went on youtube, I went on google, couldn't find any kind of info on it. For the life of me, I had no idea who/what Mr. Vibrating was...and curiousity was killing me. It could have been the game-cracker! ...but after finding out what character he was, I doubt that it's of any importance. I'd retract the question if I could, but it's out there and I cant.

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Oh and Poker, sorry, thought you could pick up the inference.
YES, you are correct. Revealing how I know would involve revealing part if not all of my role.

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But I'm not asking you to reveal how you know. I'm asking you to reveal why you felt the need to mention it when it was obvious it would draw heat.

already did, read above.

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Poker - if you're going with what I think you are - I'm not the bridgekeeper.

Mirth - I said I DID search youtube and google, but came up with nothing, had no idea who he was or how important it might be to the game - so I asked....and then I searched again and got results, so I must have entered it wrong the first time 'cuz I got a lot of dildo adverts on google

<LOL>

the first couple times (go fig). Now that I've read up on who he was, it doesn't seem like his role would be that incredibly important, or even necessarily scum, so knowing he's in the game doesn't really crack it. I think that's more clear...yes?

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whatever. I dont know what you're looking for, already told you the truth...twice. Spelled it out as clearly as I could, and that's all there is. I'm not sure why you're so hung up on it. I dont see any benefit you think I'm getting or got by doing that...unless you really believe I was "testing out" possible fake claims for later...but that's really not logical considering I said I didn't know who it was, what it would do, if it would be important or not, or if it's even scum or not.

I know it's in the game, and unless you want a role claim, that's all you get to know.

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Hey! I dont have a lot of time to post right now, I have guests over and dont want to be rude, but I hopped on for a sec (cuz I'm addicted) and just wanted to answer your question Spyrex
I know because of a night action. Hope that helps.

Still waiting to hear from others regarding my questions...see above.

kthxbai

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Pokerface has requested that I fullclaim after Ironman gives his info.
Mirth has demanded that I full claim right now and not wait for Ironman.

I dont give a turd either way, I'll be more than happy to reveal everything now, later, tomorrow, doesn't matter. What does everyone else want?

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ok, well, I'm feeling really iffy this morning, stayed up way too late last night and I really just want to go to back to bed and let this day drift away so I'll go ahead and out myself now.

I'm the bishop, I get to target one person and get bits of information about who visited them that night. I targeted Spyrex. I dont think I was taunted or roleblocked or whatever because I saw that the bridgekeeper visited him. I also saw that Mr Vibrating and the machine that goes bing visited him.

The first time I read the message from the mod, it says something like [paraphrase]You see Mr. Vibrating, the machine that goes bing, and the bridge keeper visit Spyrex]

So I actually thought that the characters name was "Mr. Vibrating, the machine that goes bing" instead of two separate char's. When I re-read the other day I had a "duh" moment when I realized that three separate characters had actually visited Spyrex. I found info on the machine that goes bing, and a rather funny Monty Python clip, but I can't imagine what it does because according to the clip, all it does is go "Bing" and tells you your baby is still alive or something...maybe it's some kind of doc...?

And Mr. Vibrating argues...uhm...yeah, that doesn't seem real important.

Anyway, that's what I got. Do with it what you will. I'm going to crawl back into bed.

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my video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UieDo4GoRPE

I can't stop any actions and I dont get to know the names of any players, it doesn't even guarantee that I'll get to know their roles, it just says that I may receive some type of useful information as to who was in their vicinity during the night.

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Oh, and it specifically said "The Machine that goes Bing", not "Ping" ...not that its that important, but just saying.

I think Mirth posted the Mr. Vibrator link twice, so I'll post the link I found for the Bing Maching. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arCITMfxvEc

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Oops, I mean Mr. Vibrating LoL that might be the same mistake I made when trying to googlesearch it lol

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I'd still like the information you were going to bring up about me "if it proved useful" ...? I definitely want to hear what k7 was talking about and how that has anything to do with you...and why you two appear to be in cahoots.

I'm really glad that my nightaction is verifiable by atleast 3 total players or else I feel that you two may have had a plan to get me lynched.

Maybe I'm just overly suspicious...but out with it I say.

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To give information to the town?

this.

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so...do we get to know the big mystery about K7 and Pokerface?
This game was going at full speed...feels a teensy bit stalled.
Lets go lets go lets go!!!

I think IM may be telling fibs...but for now, still comfortable with my vote on chenhsi the lurker extraordinairre.

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3. Regarding strappado, asking who a character is (as she did in 726) is not particularly suspicious to me, but mentioning that she knows that character is in the game (as she did in 729) is far more sketchy -- especially because she avoided answering any questions about it for quite a while before finally settling on "That would involve revealing my role." She has explained why she made post 726, but she has not explained why she said what she said in post 729. If she truly wanted to hide her role, there were numerous plausible answers she could have given ("I'm just curious" springs to mind) that would never have led to role speculation at all. So I will ask the question again -- "why bring it up in the first place?"

Bored? Hate lying? I dunno. But I also know that Mirth is a renlentless role-fisher, she demands claims NOW LoL Everyone is saying "Why so many roleclaims" etc...well, because Mirth is a roleclaim bulldog, she'll get it out of you one way or another...and if you refuse, well clearly you're scum.

I asked who a character was in Monty Python and asked for a link because I was at a loss and thought that if I had the information, it may or may not help the town. It would have been nice if the town had obliged and moved on, what harm could that do? That's what I was hoping for. But Mirth needed to know why. I suppose it's understandable, I'd probably be curious as well, but I'd probably think about it and come to the conclusion that there's nothing really scummy about wanting to know who a monty python character is and if the person wanted to say Why they wanted to know, then they would have. Leave it at that? But as soon as she cast her suspicioun laden eyes on me, I'd knew she wouldn't let up, so I told the truth - "Because I know it's a character in the game". Again, another point to think...well, that's not scummy, knowing who a character is in the game...I think it's pretty obvious that I'd know it because of a night action... So as town, I'd probably drop it and leave it at that because it's not particularly scummy that someone knows a character in the game and pushing it would obviously push a role claim...right?

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@ Pokerface
Excuse me??? Wow, you came off as a real a-hole in that post directed at me. Considering you were one of the driving forces (along with Mirth) asking me and Ironman to roleclaim it seems really convenient for you to now whine "Stop it, shut up, quit rolefishing, I'm telling mom!"
What you've been breadcrumbing with saying "I have something against Strappado that I'll explain later" "I'll tell you all more about my problems with Strappado later" and indicating that you have some fishy info about what I did last night, you've got some real nerve telling me to shut up when I ask you to come out with it.

I think you want me to "shut up" and drop it because you had nothing, and you've got nothing and you were hoping I wouldn't have an alibi.

It's a good thing we aren't playing IRL cuz I'd probably be lunging at someone if they had spoken to me in that manner.

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but on a calmer note. If you really think it would help the scum, fine, it's dropped. There's definitely nicer ways to say that though, for future reference.

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Sorry for the triple post. I saw red and went into kill mode, but didn't answer your question. Although I'm really ticked and dont want to answer any more of your questions because you turn into a whiney baby if people ask questions of you..
k...calming down.

I visited Spyrex because he was the "other french taunter". I kind of confused my role for that of a cop because I was thinking I could find out if he was guilty...but my role is only really useful if I happen to target whoever dies I think. Probably should have tried to figure out who was most innocent looking or more likely to be scum fodder. ...although I'm happy with the results because I can verify that Spyrex was visited by the bridgekeeper which would have been something that would take up a lot of my attention today (it being a pretty big claim)

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I'm also a little hotheaded and something about this game irritates me, not sure what it is. I'm not quite so crabby in any of my other games.

@Mirth - You're right, but it could also be said that you haven't forced anyone to claim that hasn't given you any kind of opening. I get that you hate softclaims, but do they have to be turned into hardclaims every time?

I think you hate softclaims because scum could hint that they are something without commiting to it which might keep people from lynching them - is that correct or is there another reason I'm not seeing for why you hate softclaiming? Do you consider breadcrumbing softclaiming if not subtle enough? Are you against a cop or doc or other important powerrole breadcrumbing?

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So..we kind of reached an end of conversation. I can't pursue the K7 pokerface thing anymore...

so..uhm...what should we talk about now?

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chenhsi and IM are probably two of the worst lurkers I've played with.
Even voting chenhsi doesn't result in much reaction or posting.

I looked at IM's posts in this game, saw that he said he was dealing with some Real Life stuff and was behind in some other games...I can understand that, so I almost gave him a free pass... but then I checked his profile.

Since the last time he posted in this game on the 28th, he's made

15 posts

on mafiascum.

In the 9 days he didn't post in this game (16th - 25th) he made

32 posts

, one of which was /in'ing for another game.

That doesn't really sound like someone who is busy with RL stuff, or swamped with other games.
If you really feel overwhelmed by games, you wouldn't /in for another...
but giving you the benefit of the doubt - if this really is to much for you, then I'd recommend asking for a replacement...

Otherwise, you look *really* scummy. I'm still comfortable with my vote on chenhsi for the same reason. I'm not voting purely for a "lurker lynch" - I think they are scared scum that dont know what to say and want to keep as quiet as possible to avoid drawing attention to themselves or screwing up.

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can't watch the video at work, but K7's info along with IM's lack of contribution to this game make me feel completely comfortable to
unvote

vote: Iron Man

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Everyone: Dont hold your breath

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BTW - 21 some odd posts from him in other games since his last post in our game just a couple days ago. He even /in'd for yet another game.

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OH wait, no, I'm sorry.
Correction: He's actually /in'd for 2 more games since his last post in our game... my bad. Boy he's just a busy little beaver.

Also doing some Meta - he was scum in another game very recently and was a Mr. Lurkity Lurk there too...claimed he was the cop pretty early on in the game and went quiet.

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Ummm... why are you arguing about hammers???

...you're not seriously asking that, are you?

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Oh no...an insincere post from the local lurker.
Yeah, you seem all choked up about her death, and wow, yeah, we're so lucky it was only one this time, gee golly willickers, I wonder who could be scum, we'd better be careful!

vote: chenhsi

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wait...you targeted me last night?

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I didn't get much info from my night action last night, so nothing interesting to share.
For the 2nd day in a row, I'm happy with my vote on chenhsi
...also kinda curious about Azimuth. He's checked in a few times here and there, made some pretty decent town sounding posts...but in retrospect, they were mostly summation of information already out there, not a lot of new stuff.
I'd like to hear more from him on a regular basis if possible.

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Azimuth is as slick as a goose poop

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No kidding.
I've just been relying on people's posting and content - I can't wrap my head around the possibility of blockings or redirections or whatever other crazy stuff is out there, I might get a brain spasm.

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pretty fair representation of what we'll be like after this game I assume.

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sucking up to the mod is a classic scum tell

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I'm still here too...but dont have any leads...just waiting for someone to ping my radar. Still think chenhsi should be ashamed of himself whether he's scum or town. Haven't heard much from many other people. Game has quieted down...

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@ The Internet - no interesting informationw was gathered from my night action last night, so I dont have anything to reveal.

@farside - thank you for the commitment to the game. None of your reviews have sparked any "Aha" moments for me, but I do agree with the gist of most of it... I'm not sold on the bit about chenhsi though. Although usually when scum is called out for lurking they try to post something lengthy apologizing for lurking and try to make some ghost attempt at scumhunting - and chenhsi hasn't done that... it's possible he isn't capable of it... it's possible he's too scared to... I dont know what the truth is, but I know he hasn't done anything to help the game progress, we can't get anything more than a bland sentence out of him. I can't imagine why playing these games is fun for him if he isn't going to participate. Guess he likes reading? But you dont have to be in a game to read it.
I still think he's scum that's scared to post b/c he might make a mistake, doesn't want to link himself to his partners or slip up... that's my take on it.

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just had a giggle - isolated chenhsi's posts - reading them gives me the feeling that the AI at jabberwacky.com somehow signed up for a mafiagame

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Yeah, it's gotten awfully quiet. I'm waiting for some more excitement. Maybe someone should attack me, that might move things along, I love a good quarrel.

I miss Mirth

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FoS TSPN

for spreading false and slandering lies. I have

never

had fun eating a baby

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also, yeah, chenhsi = phail
although there are a few other lurk-a-licious players here.
The person I'd be quarreling with today is definitely chenhsi for his "OH NOES, Mirth is dead!" post that totally lacked sincerity... unfortunately I can't fight all by myself.

Would anybody care to take the place of chenhsi and try to explain yourself/himself?

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I see K7 and chenhsi as being one in the same, they've both done scummy things and post no more than one liners and avoid answering questions directly and are totally lurk-a-licious.

chenhsi with his insincere post regarding the NK and K7 with his "what did strappado do last night PF" - If PF had thought it would be useful to town, PF would have said so - K7 not only said something that would make himself have to claim, but Poker and I also pretty much had to claim after that. I guess that's why that role could be beneficial to town, forcing claims and outing people.

Still comfortable with my vote on chenhsi though.

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@PF no hypocracy - Chenhsi said "OH NOES, Mirth died *gasp*, well atleast it was only one this time [/insincerety]" right at the beginning of the day, it's pretty typical for scum to wake up and comment on the NK being "unfortunate" etc.
What I said was further in to the game and it wasn't expressing sadness at the NK per se, just the lack of Mirth as an interrogator/instigator. I miss her instigating, it moved the game along. Completely different, no comparison, but nice try.

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Just letting you guys know I'm still here, just been busy with life and replacing into a 24 page game. I should have a chance to read through what I missed and post tonight.

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Well, I caught up, but I dont really have much else to say.

continuing my discussion with Pokerface - I wasnt making an insincere "OH NOES" post at the start of the day, I think we were 2 maybe 3 pages in, I dont know and it doesnt matter, but we were a good ways in to the day and conversation was stalling and I said (truthfully) that I missed Mirth - as she was an instigator and pushed the game forward. Elvis_Knits agreed that she also missed Mirth, do you think that was suspicous?

Other than that - I think this chenhsi crud has continued way too long, it's on the verge of ridiculous. I DEFINITELY dont want to be caught in end-game with him. My luck, it'll be me, him and another player who just wont lynch chenhsi because "He's always quiet!" and "Lurking isn't a scumtell". I really think I'd lose my mind.

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chenhsi
azimuth
K7 (meh, only for want of a 3rd, not 100% on him)

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I'm a total slacker - incredibly busy, very sorry. Will catch up and post tonight.
sorry sorry sorry sorry

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@ farside - what reason(s) do you have for suspecting chenhsi might be town and a lynch on him might be negative for the town?

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darn farside, you really hate chenhsi's name, huh? hahahaha

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Just some meta, and a reason for why I'd be cautious to vote Muerrto - I was just in another game and he got into a very heated spat with another player, it was ALOT of back and forth that created more and more nonsense - and ofcourse both were town. I think it's just his play style to pick someone and go at it with ferocity. Not saying he isn't quite possibly scum, but I feel so much more confident on chenhsi at the moment.

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chenhsi hasn't posted anything since August 12th - 5 days ago. He said he was V/LA until yesterday, so hopefully he'll post something worthwhile (although I doubt it). I'd just like to note that since his last post in this game, he has made 62 posts on mafiascum, a handful of those being /in's for other games.

This is absolutely ridiculous. He hasn't said much, but what he has said has been scummy. When asked direct questions, he dodges, answers with another question, completely ignores it, or other scummy techniques. His insincere comment on the NK was the icing.

This is not a "lurker lynch" this is a scum lynch. He's played as scummy as possible, and just because he refuses to post in this game, I'm not going to give him a free pass, and I really dont see why anyone else would want to at this point.

As far as you, Azimuth, prior to putting you on my scum list, I did make it known that I was getting suspicious of you, so it did not "come out of nowhere" and if you'd note it, my list came before everyone elses, so you can swallow that argument.

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anyway, my point was (sorry for the double post.) My main suspect is chenhsi and I would like to interrogate him and engage him in conversation/debate, but unfortunately he's not a willing participant. I'm not going to put my attention on someone else I find less scummy just because my top suspect is playing the deaf&dumb game. I can't talk with someone who isn't talking, so I'm at a loss.

Chenhsi- start talking, start conversating, start defending, or ask for a replacement already. I think you're scum and I'd like to get you lynched today if possible, but there are too many pansies here afraid to lynch you because you're quiet. enough already, be respectful to the game and bow out.

Also - I promise if he is replaced, I wont hold the other person responsible for chenhsi's lurking, I will hold them responsible only for what they say and how they behave. I've replaced in to enough games where my predecessor lurked and I know its impossible to answer to that - so I will give a replacement the benefit of the doubt on that, but I'll expect alot more posting and I'll have plenty of questions to ask.

But I think he's scummy enough on his own right now to lynch and I'd be comfortable with that today

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Azimuth - if me insinuating that there may be pansies in this game seemed like inappropriate namecalling, I'm sorry...
...that you're so sensitive.

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oh yay, chenhsi's back... and instead of actually jumping in the game and discussing things, he's letting us all vote on whether we want to hear a claim or not.
Thanks chenhsi...but honestly, I'd rather you start participating, answering questions, asking questions, posting...maybe even <gasp> scumhunting. But yea, if you are incapable or unwilling to do that, sure, feel free to claim, whatev'.

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There's such a thing as a 3 shot immune SK?

My first thought was that he must be town b/c why would a scum need to have NK immunity - but if there are possibly 2 scum factions or a SK, I guess that would make sense.

... has anyone ever seen a pro-town role that had NK immunity?

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her role video? I dont see why she would ... am I missing something?

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Albatross!

I am

a

black knight

I find this quite suspicious.

Albatross!

nah - he admitted he knows nothing about monty python, so I wouldn't look to much into the way he says it.

I think he's scum b/c of all the other previously listed reasons though, so I'm definitely not defending him, just saying...

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chenhsi... where are you dude? Do you have any answers? suggestions? questions? maybe just post your video link.

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....alright....
anything else? chenhsi, any last words? You wanna let us know who your partner is maybe? That'd be grand.

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It was just a joke Poker, I didn't put much thought into it. I could buy that he's a SK...and I hope he is. If he's in a mafia group, we dont have much to work with for finding a partner because of his silence...which is why I really wanted to hear more from him. If he is scum, I dont know who to look at tomorrow. The easy thing would be to look at those that protected him or defended him, but I dont think any of those people are necessarily scum. If I were on his "team", I dont think I'd go out of my way to protect him and therefore link me with him...and I also felt that the defenses for him, although candy-butted, were sincere.

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quick question after reading Azimuth's post... is there any possibility there's a jester type role in the game?

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whatever poker, you're such a tool. I wasn't "spooking" anyone, just asking a question.
Yes, let's lynch the chens
If it would make everyone more comfortable, I'm more than willing to unvote and let you all pile on and I'll hammer.

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Good Morning!! Oh it feels so good to be rid of lurker chenhsi, what a breath of fresh air!

Although, that leaves me wondering where to go to today, he was really good about not connecting himself with anyone. Anybody have any huge reveals from the night phase we can discuss?

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oh...simul-post. Good Morning farside! Why the vote on internet?

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Anybody have a better feel on muerrto today?

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I think what farside has pointed out is valid and definitely good scumhunting. I think The Internet may be a good avenue to pursue this morning. I'd definitely like to hear more from him. I'm also not keen on Azimuth, reasons previously stated...also, I felt that he was trying to turn the attention towards me for pushing so hard on chenhsi yesterday. If chenhsi had actually been town, it would have been warranted and I would have fully expected Azimuth to come after me today and I wouldn't have thought him scum for it. But chenhsi turned up scum, and I felt that Azimuth's first post, he was still going to try to make me look suspicious in some way for pushing chenhsi's lynch (as a partner upset with his contribution), but when he looked back, he couldn't find anything to corroborate. Could be he's just town barking up the wrong tree, but could also be that he's scum trying to push to get a town with a (IMO) fairly decent role lynched.

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Re: The Internet (or anyone for that matter) being inspected by the bridgekeeper - I wouldn't 100% trust what they say they answered. If I were scum in this situation and found out there was a possibly town role as powerful as the BK, I might lie about being visited, or lie about my answers - it's a win win. I'm either "cleared" in the eyes of most, or the BK outs themselves by saying "Nuh Uh!!" and you can kill 'em at night. I dunno, just a thought.

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Dear Pokerface,
I appreciate the apology...but I can't say the same, I meant to call you a tool...and I'm still leery of you. I dont know if I even buy your tobacconist bit, seems a convenient little mystery that the town would want to keep you around for to figure out, and you can appear very busy trying to figure out this nonsense. I just dont know if I trust it. ...but there has been some decent contribution from you, and there are definitely scummier players out there ATM, so I'm not too pressed on barking up your tree just yet... but being a tool and saying things that may make me look scummy and then offering up a sugar sweet buttkiss apology isn't going to save you if I decide to go on the warpath.

Hugs & Kisses,
strappado

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Well, this question may bring a whole can of whoop ass down on top of me, but what the hell, I love a good grave digging.

If there were a sir lancelot in this game... do you think he would be a cult leader?? The idea just hit me because in the movie, isn't he going around trying to recruit people to join his...like...whatever it is?

Thoughts?

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I targeted Muerrto last night, and saw the bridgekeeper and sir lancelot visit him.

Not sure what lancelot would be. Still dont know what the Machine that Goes Bing is..it visited spyrex the first night, it's obv not a bad thing, might be a doc type thing..

ATM I dont trust Azimuth or k7... farsides points on the internet are decent, but...meh.

Muerrto, you asked who visited you last night...you know the BK visited you, and I dont leave any trace of having visited...so did lancelot leave something or give you a message or something? How did you know someone else visited you?

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uhm...I dont get it... he shouldn't have any trouble finding you...right?
So confused

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I've never been in a game where we mass-claimed. Isn't that kinda like cheating and taking all the fun and mystery out of it?

The mod saw your voting thingy though and responded and he didn't say anything about being opposed to it... and I dont have any thing to hide now since my role is already out there....and hearing everyone's roles would be interesting, seems like there's some good ones out there.
Also - we're not finding out exactly what the roles did when we lynch or are NK'd, so we wont know if an investigative role gets killed and we wont know to look back to see if they suspected or cleared anyone...etc etc.

I dont see any reason not to mass claim, atleast on this side of the fence.

vote: massclaim

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I dont know how cults work, if they can day talk or night talk or communicate with eachother...but Azimuth, your post totally sounded like "Hey, cult buddies, recruit Elvis Knits" ... what's up with that? If they hadn't thought of it before, they certainly have now. Glad to know you have the cult's back...what about the towns?

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now this is a bandwagon I can gel with. I haven't much liked his actions most of the game. And the manner in which he is going after Lord Gurgi not only seems OMGUS, but also one of convenience. Lord Gurgi may have a PR (or he may not, who really knows besides he and the mod) but he's been active and has provided a lot of input. The point is, he's had or atleast acted as though he had the PR the entire game, the fact that Azimuth is just now choosing to call BS is a little convenient since Lord Gurgi is putting pressure on him. Azimuth almost seemed like he was taunting him when he voted Lord Gurgi and said "Yeah, go ahead, say something about this being an OMGUS vote" <-- paraphrase
The way he said it just came across snide. Ofcourse Lord Gurgi was going to say it was an OMGUS vote, because it was. Azimuth had no problem with LG until LG attacked him. Classic OMGUS.

vote: Azimuth

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can't wait to hear from you K7, I'm sure it'll be game-stopping stuff.

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Poker, where are you with your massclaim vote counting?

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just an FYI - going camping this weekend, no internet. I'll be back on Monday.
No worries if we do a massclaim as my role is already out there.

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Oh whoops - forgot to say that Azimuth is my top suspect, thus the vote.
Not sure who I'd put 2nd. Either K7 or Muerrto
I'm suspicous of Muerrto for being so against a massclaim - but if there is some type of role that could be mod-killed for revealing themselves, then he'd pretty much drop off my list because I haven't seen much else from him that strikes me as scummy.
k7 has played in the same manner chenhsi did, and we had such good luck with the chenhsi lynch, I'd be comfortable with a k7 lynch. I dont see how his "Patsy" role could benefit the town. If he sends a scum off to "watch" someone else, he could help the scum figure out pro-town power roles like docs/cops... The only way his role could be useful is if he picked a town person and had them check on a scum I guess...but so far, just about everyone he's sent anywhere has died so we haven't gotten any information. There's just something about him I don't trust.
I especially didn't like how he questioned Poker about who I visited. It seemed like he was way too eager to have his role verified.... something scummy about that to me.

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back from camping, lots of unpacking and cleaning to do still, will catch up on what I missed and post asap.

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well, that's kinda weird that your mind changed on it, you seemed pretty dead set against it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though, ofcourse. I read and I caught up and I really dont have much to say on what's going on. I'm all for a massclaim right now, I think it'd be easier to go from there at this point.

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I thought Muerrto said he would be modkilled if he claimed.

I think I caused that confusion cuz I thought that's what he meant to. I think he's saying he'll lose his power if he claims it though.

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Nice Azimuth, trying to scare people into unvoting you? "Oh my goodness, if I keep my vote on Azimuth, everyone is going to think I'm cult!" pshaw - that was weak and ridiculous. Why on earth would you be such a threat to a cult that they would be willing to possibly out themselves by working together to get you lynched. I think it's obvious that everyone voting you just thinks you're scum, pretty plain and simple there bub.
That was cute though, good try.

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Azimuth - I believe you are an anti-town role. I dont know whether you are cult or mafia, but it doesn't matter much to me because both are anti town.
You say it must be the cult working together to try to get you lynched, I say poppycock. Poppycock, unless there was some elaborate scheme concocted in the beginning of the game by the cult to get you lynched - which is a bit of an egotistical thing for you to think - also, I dont know how cult's work, but I dont think they can nighttalk, right? ...because dont they just know who recruited them and nobody else? So how would you expect them to work together?
Below is proof, that unless there is some type of elaborate conspiracy against you, my vote, atleast, is 100% scumhunting, and if one person independently thinks you are scum, I find it pretty easy to believe that the other people voting you sincerely believe you are scum.

Here's me just starting to be suspicous, very early in the game

...also kinda curious about Azimuth. He's checked in a few times here and there, made some pretty decent town sounding posts...but in retrospect, they were mostly summation of information already out there, not a lot of new stuff.
I'd like to hear more from him on a regular basis if possible.

I'd just watched you wriggle out of an accusation as smoothly as a used car salesman, and I got the impression that you're a pretty slithery snake, thus this post.

Azimuth is as slick as a goose poop

My scum list

chenhsi
azimuth
K7 (meh, only for want of a 3rd, not 100% on him)

to which you replied basically "OMGUS, this came out of nowhere!" and also tried to imply that I was just "following everyone else"

As far as you, Azimuth, prior to putting you on my scum list, I did make it known that I was getting suspicious of you, so it did not "come out of nowhere" and if you'd note it, my list came before everyone elses, so you can swallow that argument.

You were emphatically against a chenhsi lynch, even trying to make me look scummy for pushing it - which seems particularly scummy considering he turned up scum. You even tried to get me on "name calling"

Azimuth - if me insinuating that there may be pansies in this game seemed like inappropriate namecalling, I'm sorry...
...that you're so sensitive.

I'm also not keen on Azimuth, reasons previously stated...also, I felt that he was trying to turn the attention towards me for pushing so hard on chenhsi yesterday. If chenhsi had actually been town, it would have been warranted and I would have fully expected Azimuth to come after me today and I wouldn't have thought him scum for it. But chenhsi turned up scum, and I felt that Azimuth's first post, he was still going to try to make me look suspicious in some way for pushing chenhsi's lynch (as a partner upset with his contribution), but when he looked back, he couldn't find anything to corroborate. Could be he's just town barking up the wrong tree, but could also be that he's scum trying to push to get a town with a (IMO) fairly decent role lynched.

ATM I dont trust Azimuth or k7

Azimuth, your post totally sounded like "Hey, cult buddies, recruit Elvis Knits" ... what's up with that? If they hadn't thought of it before, they certainly have now. Glad to know you have the cult's back...what about the towns?

now this is a bandwagon I can gel with. I haven't much liked his actions most of the game. And the manner in which he is going after Lord Gurgi not only seems OMGUS, but also one of convenience. Lord Gurgi may have a PR (or he may not, who really knows besides he and the mod) but he's been active and has provided a lot of input. The point is, he's had or atleast acted as though he had the PR the entire game, the fact that Azimuth is just now choosing to call BS is a little convenient since Lord Gurgi is putting pressure on him. Azimuth almost seemed like he was taunting him when he voted Lord Gurgi and said "Yeah, go ahead, say something about this being an OMGUS vote" <-- paraphrase
The way he said it just came across snide. Ofcourse Lord Gurgi was going to say it was an OMGUS vote, because it was. Azimuth had no problem with LG until LG attacked him. Classic OMGUS.

vote: Azimuth

And finally, you try to scare those voting you into unvoting you by saying they must be cult because they are "working together"

Nice Azimuth, trying to scare people into unvoting you? "Oh my goodness, if I keep my vote on Azimuth, everyone is going to think I'm cult!" pshaw - that was weak and ridiculous. Why on earth would you be such a threat to a cult that they would be willing to possibly out themselves by working together to get you lynched. I think it's obvious that everyone voting you just thinks you're scum, pretty plain and simple there bub.
That was cute though, good try.

I think it's pretty clear by this that I just think you're scum. And like I said, if one person can come to the conclusion all by their lonesome that you are scum, then I find it much easier to believe that the other votes on you come from, not cult, but other like minded individuals that see the scuminess you are oozing. I'm totally comfortable with your lynch today.

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yeah, let's lynch the Azi - I'm uber interested to see what he turns out to be. It'd give me a completely non-pc giggle if he were a cult recruiter LoL

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"The Wedding Party" visited Lord Gurgi last night... what kind of character do you suppose "The Wedding Party" is? Is that farside?

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hrrrmm... I'm lost today. I was pretty sure Azi was scum. I guess K7 is my only suspect that's still alive, but I dont have an incredibly strong feeling about him...that could be because he hasn't posted much to get a feeling about.
Nobody else has really set off the radar.
Uhmmm... yeah.

So...K7 - feel like saying more today so I can get a better feel for ya?

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My Role PM said I was the Bishop and that I can choose a player and get info on who was in their vicinity at night. The wording of the PM made me think that I could see anyone in their vicinity - as in anyone who visited them, and anyone they visited - but I think I only see who visited them.

Night 1: Spyrex: Mr. Vibrating, The Machine that Goes Bing, Bridgekeeper
Night 2: Azimuth: no one
Night 3: Muerrto: Bridgekeeper and Sir Lancelot
Night 4: Lord Gurgi: Wedding Party

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bah!

vote: K7

Nobody is really standing out as scum, but he's continuing to stand-out as a chenhsi look-a-like. Lurking, no help whatsoever, and his role doesn't seem pro-town, seems like a decent role for scum to have to help figure out other roles in the game.

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I dont think you know what "Irony" means Poker, gonna start calling you Ms. Morisette.

More to the point, my role is nothing like K7's. Mine seems more pro-town - his seems more helpful to scum.

I can see everyone who visits a player - which means that I can rely on the information because it comes directly to me, and I might be lucky enough to see all the players that visited a player that was NK'd, which could potentially give town a lot of information.

K7's role makes much more sense as scum than as town. He doesn't get the information directly, so we can't rely on it. If he sends someone to visit a possible NK Target and the target doesn't die, town doesn't gain any information from that because we wont even know that person was the NKTarget, but scum could figure out who a doc is. Every scenario I play in my head, it just seems to make more sense that "Patsy" is a scum role.

I'm comfortable with my vote.

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@Poker - If you're town, I dont see any reason for you to protect K7 right now with such ferocity. Your reaction doesn't make sense. I can see a "meh, I dont agree", but your bulleted under-lined list is kind of suspicious. And why are you going to battle for him? (if you're town) you dont know his allignment and by ferociously defending him, you're creating a link between you two. If you're scum as well, thank you. If you're town...why? He has one vote on him, nobody has expressed agreement, he's no where near being lynched, he's in no danger, so why does my voting him put your panties in such a knot?

I'd like to get him to talk actually, but if you keep protecting him and answering for him, then that's not real likely, is it? So stop it.

@K7 - I think you're scum, I've posted some reasons, I've voted. Anything that you'd like to say? (and no copying off of Poker)

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1. Panties in a Wad

(or bunch)
to get all upset over something trivial, as if one's underwear has rolled up into an uncomfortable ball between one's butt cheeks. also see: sand in your vagina

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So K7 says he lurks for strategy. The only allignment I know that uses lurking as a strategy is scum. Therefore, K7 = scum.

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really boggles my mind. What enjoyment can you get out of a game if you dont play. Weird. I'll never understand chronic lurkers. I can understand an occasional lurk because we all have lives, but if you never play, you never participate, then what's the point of joining a game?

Because he apparently lurks in every game, I suppose the lurking doesn't give proof one way or the other for his allignment. But what he says when he "unlurks" for a sec here and there, that should be able to be held against him. Nothing he's said so far has been pro-town. There's been 0 scumhunting. He seemed like Mr. AntsyPants to get his role confirmed by PF which seems scummy.

Did anyone notice that K7 voted chenhsi early on in the game in his 2nd post, and in his 3rd he confirmed it saying "happy with my vote on the noob scum".
Any chance he has psychic powers, or maybe he had a little extra info, what do you think?

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unvote: k7

I won't argue honor, and I can understand playing drunk and staying quiet, this is just a game afterall. The post seemed genuine and un-scummy.

I still feel uncomfortable with how accurate you were on chenhsi day 1, but I could chock that up to luck.

Still searching.

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I agree with Lord Gurgi, some of the steam has gone out of the game lately. I really dont feel any leads, nobody seems exceptionally scummy, since all of the roles are out, there aren't anymore "aha!" moments. I'm hoping something catches my eye soon, a lie or inconsistency. There doesn't seem to be any scummy behavior to discuss.
Who is everyones main suspect now? I really dont have any. I'm still thinking K7 is scum, but after his "honor" post, I wouldn't feel right voting him unless he made a slip or a scummy post.

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Night 1: Spyrex
Night 2: Azimuth
Night 3: Muerrto
Night 4: Lord Gurgi

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@farside:
Night 1: Spyrex: Mr. Vibrating, The Machine that Goes Bing, Bridgekeeper
Night 2: Azimuth: no one
Night 3: Muerrto: Bridgekeeper and Sir Lancelot
Night 4: Lord Gurgi: Wedding Party

So yeah, Muerrto was visited by scum and SK

@ Lord Gurgi - I have a strong belief in honor. If K7 says he wont do something out of honor, I'm not going to insult him by questioning that. This is just a game and it's not worth it to break one of my major life rules, which is to never question a persons honor. If he claims honor and he's lying, then that makes him a cheap bottom dwelling scum sucking dishonorable loser for lying about / breeching honor to win a game that in the grand scheme of things is incredibly unimportant.
It's like lying, but swearing on your mothers grave so you can win a pack of gum, it's not worth the karma points.

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wow, I just seriously lost track of the game w/ all the posts from Imaginality. I dont have a whole lot of time to catch up either.
From what I skimmed, the plan is to lynch Lord Gurgi and I should watch the Internet...I think?
I still think K7 is scum...
I dont have any feeling about LG one way or the other, is there a way you could make a plan that involves lynching K7 instead?

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@farside - I have a scummy

feeling

from K7, but my only real voteable proof was his vote on chenhsi day 1 calling him newb scum, which would either make him psychic or a partner - but he said he didn't bus because of honor. I felt obliged to un-vote, but even if he really was just spot-on with chenhsi from day one, I still get a scummy vibe from him in general.

My mind can't really wrap around the Imaginality plan and see all the plus's and negatives, my life is too hectic right now to consider all the angles. If general consensus is that this seems like a good plan for the town, I'll go with it. I'm going to wait to hear from more people before I feel comfortable making a decision either way.

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dont have time to review right now...still not sure I'm comfortable with a Lord Gurgi lynch...I can't pick out a single thing he's done that's scummy, unless you believe that he's faked his PR, but even then, why? And he's still managed to contribute and scum hunt even with the PR.
I may go along with the plan anyway just because there doesn't seem to be enough interest in lynching k7 and no lynch doesn't seem like a good option. If Lord Gurgi flips town, I might take a closer look at imaginality and pokerface tomorrow...they seem pretty town ATM, but I'm just not comfortable with town lynches for the sake of a plan that may or may not work...

I'll have more time to review later

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vote: Lord Gurgi

Well, farside seems convinced that K7 isn't scum, and that seems to be general consensus, so I'll move on from that idea. After K7, nobody seems scummy to me, so Lord Gurgi is just as good as anyone else at this point and this plan hinges on his lynch. So be it.

So who am I supposed to peek in on tonight? I'll go back through and look, but yeah, I dont mind my role being guided, I dont know who I'd watch anyway.

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uhm...I dont get it - why would scum lie about what they said to you? I dont understand why you're still filling long posts with this gibberish. If Muerrto really was the cigarette dude (and nobody has said they dont think he is), then he claimed and is useless...and if he's useless, than your auto-win condition is null...so why are we still listening to you ramble on and on about these stupid cigarettes?
What pings my scumdar slightly is how you have filled pages and pages with long posts, that make you seem town...but most if it has been filled with cigarette searching - which I could understand when you said you didn't know what it would do if you found the cigarettes (which was a LIE, you did know what it would do, you knew it would make you win...liar) but, now that it's been nullified and you're still talking about it...just seems like useless fluff and yammering with not much help to the town.

meh...still think you're town most likely...

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Well that's a dumb question. How am I supposed to know who is going to be NK'd, they were all wild guesses ofcourse...duh.

I watched Azimuth b/c he was quiet, and maybe the scum would go after the quiet person.
I watched Muerrto because I think he's town, but I didn't voice that, and everyone else seemed to think he was scum, if I were scum trying not to be seen by a "watcher" role like I have, then I might choose to NK someone who seemed atleast slightly suspicious.
Gurgi - same deal

Mostly random, but also trying to outguess the scum a bit...obv I failed, but I got some decent information anyway.

What other questions did you have?

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still dont really get why you think I'm scum...unless it's because I harrass you so much.

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so...you think I'm scum because two people claimed taunter and I considered that there might be two taunters...is that correct?

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I've only played the newbie games on here - this is my first theme game - I didn't know what the rules/roles were like in a game like this- never heard of post restrictions, I'd never heard of anything like my role - so 2 of the same role seemed possible. I'd also read through a theme game, or an explanation on Wiki I think, where there was a king and then guards, the guards didn't know who eachother were, but they were both good and had to protect the king...something like that I think. Anyway, 2 french taunters didn't seem like a weird thing to me.

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the Black Knight visited the Internet

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Not interested in quick lynching muerrto - need more time to mull this over. I'm just not sure that it makes sense for the scum to target exactly who we were hoping they'd target. Seems to easy - only way it makes sense to me is if there was no other good choice for a nightkill (which doesn't ring true, I think I'd be a pretty decent choice for a NK, haven't been particularly scummy, etc) OR, if the scum isn't Muerrto and thought they could easily frame him.

Dont want to rush into things, we have time to talk this through, I want to hear from everybody.

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Wow...I believe Muerrto. Maybe 'cuz I just dont like pokerface, I think he's cockey and arrogant and either just naturally insincere or a bad actor.
He's been shitty to me and tried to make me look scummy for stupid reasons and when I called him out on it, he backed down and made some of the most insincere apologies. And the "OMG, I just thought of something! <gasp> what did chenhsi claim?!?!?!?" just seems like bad acting and a bad soap opera plot - his response seemed kinda rehearsed. It's possible he's just a naturally insincere person, so I wont discount that.
This was imaginalities plan though, right? If Muerrto is innocent, does that mean that imaginality is scum with PF?

Ugh...

is farside still alive?

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Just dont know if we have one scum left... or two scum left...or two scum and another SK... I just dont want to be hasty.

vote: muerrto

meh, I wanted to believe him, but if I were in his place and I were town, I think I'd be fighting a lot harder. Ofcourse, I can't put what I would do on him, but it's all I have to go on. So be it.

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good game everyone.
Fun game shaft.ed - the roles definitely kept me guessing, and I loved my role because I love being nosey.

way to go town